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Brzeczyszczykiewicz
06-19-2004, 11:32 AM
A Landing Operation in Denmark
The Polish Military's Losses in the First Phase of a Warsaw Pact Offensive Were to Reach 50 Percent
by Paweł Piotrowski
first published in Wprost [Warsaw], no. 25, 23 June 2002, p. 82-84.

The idea of creating a new front within the Warsaw Pact in the northern segment of the western theater of war was born after the October 1956 watershed, when Poles replaced Soviet officers in the leadership positions of the General Staff of the Polish People's Army. To Gomułka's team, the creation of a national front manifested the sovereignty of the People's Republic. But Moscow viewed Poland's aspirations with distrust. Even though the Politbureau had approved the decision in 1958, it was not until 1961 that the Kremlin agreed to this form of involvement in the Warsaw Pact for Poland.

A Polish delegation went to Moscow then to collect a handwritten directive from the USSR's minister of national defense, Rodion Malinovsky, which spelled out the Polish Front's mandate. On the basis of this directive, the Poles drew up a front operational plan for their People's Army. The Soviet side charted the operational direction of the front and its basic parameters.

The Rhine
According to the Polish Front's operational plan, codeword OP-61, the First and Second Armies formed by the Pomeranian and Silesian Military Districts were to attack first. It was assumed that the attacking NATO forces (it was always the imperialists who started wars) would be stopped by Soviet units stationed in the GDR. At the same time, units of the Polish Front would reach their areas of concentration in northern Poland and the GDR, where a developed military infrastructure and ammunition, fuel, and equipment warehouses were located. The Polish attack would head from western Mecklenburg toward Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein. In two or three days, the attacking armies would break up NATO's Jutland Military Corps, reach the Elbe and the Danish-German border.

In the second phase of the offensive, the Polish Front troops would cross the Elbe and reach the Rhine and Moselle Rivers across the plains of Lower Saxony and Holland. The General Staff's planning did not go beyond this line, since the front's subsequent goals would be set by the Warsaw Pact leadership. The Fourth Army deployed by the Warsaw Military District had a different mission. In peacetime, its units were heavily reduced (below 30 percent of the strength planned for the eventuality of war). Their equipment also differed significantly from that of the Pomeranian and Silesian Districts. Compensating for this disadvantage would be nuclear strikes accompanied by concentrated acts of sabotage and propaganda. The Fourth Army's mission was to mobilize quickly, deploy its troops over a distance of more than 1,000 kilometers (from northern Mazovia and Warmia to Hamburg), make the transition "from marching" to fighting and controlling the Jutland Peninsula, the Danish isles, and then occupy Denmark.

The Danish Straits
The Navy was to support the northern wing of the front attacking along the coast. The first exercises of this "teamwork between naval and land forces" were conducted in 1954. At that time, the naval forces were stronger than what was planned for mobilization. This changed in subsequent years, as less investment was made in the navy than in the other armed forces. After the Warsaw Pact was founded in 1955, cooperation was built up with the USSR's Baltic Fleet and the GDR navy. From the early 1960s on, these forces together formed the United Fleet. Its main goals were to dominate the Baltic Sea, cooperate on a landing operation on the Danish isles, and secure free access to the North Sea.

A landing on the Danish coast was prominent in plans being made in 1961-63. Selected for this mission were the Seventh Landing Division ("blue berets") and the Sixth Air-Landing Division ("red berets"). These units were being prepared for an air-sea operational landing on the Danish isles located between Great Belt and Øresund (including Zealand). The Polish divisions would be backed up by the Baltic Fleet, Soviet air-landing and marine units, and a landing regiment of the National People's Army of the GDR.

In 1962-73, Polish shipyards constructed 23 ships intended for the Second Brigade of Landing Ships stationed in Świnoujście. Plans were also made to buttress the landing forces with ships mobilized from the civilian fleet. After gaining control of Zealand, the landing forces could be used to launch an attack on southern Norway, around Oslo.

The Nuclear Sword
From the 1960s, the leadership of the Warsaw Pact attached great importance to equipping its armies with missiles, considered the best carriers of nuclear warheads. In 1961-68, the Polish army formed four artillery brigades equipped with operational-tactical rockets and fourteen artillery units armed with tactical missiles. In virtually every exercise, the concentrated use of nuclear weapons presaged success. In an offensive operation, the exercises assumed the use of nuclear strikes of various magnitudes (on the territory of the FRG alone, there were to be some 100 of them). Every attacking unit would use 30-40 operational-tactical missiles (with a 300 km range), 50-60 tactical missiles (with a range of up to 65 km), and conduct 6-15 nuclear bombardments.

If the enemy used nuclear weapons, the operational plans expected major losses. Estimates made in the early 1970s projected operational troop losses of 48-53 percent in the first front operation.

Plans for the Polish Front continued to be perfected until the end of the Warsaw Pact. It is fortunate that we managed to avoid seeing our troops march in the streets of Copenhagen or Hamburg, transformed into a radioactive desert. At the same time, the streets of Warsaw, Cracow, and other Polish cities would have looked similar.

A Polish Nuclear Attack
"It is desirable to consider (...) nuclear attacks on such centers as Hannover or Brunswick, Kiel and Bremen. The destruction of these cities will likely cause a complete disorganization of political life, the economy, etc. It will significantly influence the creation of panic in areas of nuclear strikes. The exploitation of the effects of strikes by our propaganda may contribute to the spread of panic among enemy armies and populations (...). In order to exclude Denmark from the war as quickly as possible, nuclear strikes should be launched at Esbjerg (an important strategic point in the NATO system) and Roskilde (Zealand Island), and subsequently a widespread special propaganda action aimed at deepening the existing panic should be conducted to warn Denmark's troops and civilian population of the consequences of further resistance and the threat that, in the event of continuation of the war, further atomic strikes will occur."
(Excerpt from a presentation by the commander of the Polish Front, General Zygmunt Duszyński, in 1961)

Paweł Piotrowski works as a historian in the Wrocław division of the Institute of National Remembrance, specializing in the military affairs of the Polish People's Republic.

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_12/texts/wprost_bild_1000.jpg

Nice :D

mack pl
06-19-2004, 11:41 AM
My cousin was soldier in 7th Division "Blue berrets"(in 80s) :)

pozdro

moughoun
06-19-2004, 11:59 AM
Don't worry Tom Clancy said we won p-)

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
06-19-2004, 12:26 PM
Don't worry Tom Clancy said we won p-)

After reading "Red Storm Rising" I can say that maybe Clancy is good in spies and special forces, but he knows sh*t about 3rd world war :P p-)

Another interesting (and long- 50 pages) article- interview with communist Polish generals- Chief of General Staff, commander of the Polish (Maritime) Front, Polish delegate in Soviet Western Theater Command, etc.:

In Polish:
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_9/texts/excerpts_polish.pdf

English:
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_9/texts/excerpts_english.pdf

wiking
06-19-2004, 01:09 PM
the polish invasion of Denmark. Sounds like a good idea.

As a Norwegian i have to say that if that had happened, i would have been roling on the floor laughing till i turned blue :)

Polen -> :-*$ <-Denmark

Me-> rofl

O and what about us, don't we get invaded by the Polish to?
Or are we important enough to get a visit from the Soviets.
Does anyone know what would have happened to Norway in a
NATO Vs. Warsaw pact war.

mack pl
06-19-2004, 01:19 PM
Does anyone know what would have happened to Norway in a
NATO Vs. Warsaw pact war.
Dunno. Maybe second Vidkun Q. but communist ;)

(j.k)

wiking
06-19-2004, 02:01 PM
No i was thinking more in lines of where and how we would be attacked, as the Norwegian coastline is the key to controling the entire Nort-East atlantic.

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
06-19-2004, 02:59 PM
Polish army after landing in Denmark (with losses ca. 40-45%), and sending majority of it's forces to Netherlands would probably be incapable of carrying out another seaborne invasion, so you would have a nice visit of Russian marines, occupying important cities & ports, and the rest of the country nuked ;)

Check
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php
The best cold war site :)

oldsoak
06-19-2004, 04:17 PM
Incredible.

EvanL
06-19-2004, 04:35 PM
the polish invasion of Denmark. Sounds like a good idea.

As a Norwegian i have to say that if that had happened, i would have been roling on the floor laughing till i turned blue :)

Polen -> :-*$ <-Denmark

Me-> rofl

O and what about us, don't we get invaded by the Polish to?
Or are we important enough to get a visit from the Soviets.
Does anyone know what would have happened to Norway in a
NATO Vs. Warsaw pact war.Canada was tasked with defending Norway i believe.
the Canadian Airborne Regiment was to be dropped into Norway to fight off the soviet offensive.

wiking
06-19-2004, 04:41 PM
the polish invasion of Denmark. Sounds like a good idea.

As a Norwegian i have to say that if that had happened, i would have been roling on the floor laughing till i turned blue :)

Polen -> :-*$ <-Denmark

Me-> rofl

O and what about us, don't we get invaded by the Polish to?
Or are we important enough to get a visit from the Soviets.
Does anyone know what would have happened to Norway in a
NATO Vs. Warsaw pact war.Canada was tasked with defending Norway i believe.
the Canadian Airborne Regiment was to be dropped into Norway to fight off the soviet offensive.

well that's kinda cool to know. i've allways been wondering what would happen to norway in a NATO vs. Warsw pact war. I do know that there was once when it was pretty damn close we were invaded.

Shadow
06-19-2004, 04:55 PM
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Good one!

bloddyaxe
06-19-2004, 05:14 PM
Really nice to know this.
If we compare Polish and Danish military deeds in WWII, we could deduct that Denmark would be slaughtered by Poland...
very sad for Danes.

wiking
06-19-2004, 05:22 PM
Really nice to know this.
If we compare Polish and Danish military deeds in WWII, we could deduct that Denmark would be slaughtered by Poland...
very sad for Danes.

If we look at Danish military deeds PERIOD we will se that the danes would get slaughtered, there is a reason why both our countries aren't part of denmark anymore.

bloddyaxe
06-19-2004, 05:47 PM
If we look at Danish military deeds PERIOD we will se that the danes would get slaughtered, there is a reason why both our countries aren't part of denmark anymore.

Yea... when you think about it, thats right. poor danes. But at least they have an army. Although probably only the faroese members of their army would be of any use, since the danish ones would get slaughtered and the greenlanders would be drunk all the time, as usual.
Maybe its time for Poland to invade Denmark in order to liberate Faroe Isles. or something.

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
06-20-2004, 03:49 AM
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Good one!

:cantbeli:


Really nice to know this.
If we compare Polish and Danish military deeds in WWII, we could deduct that Denmark would be slaughtered by Poland...
very sad for Danes.

Why so sad? We would bring them a lot of Polish vodka ;)

oldsoak
06-20-2004, 06:29 AM
Must stick up for the Danes - I dont think theres a problem with the fighting spirit of the Danes, certainly not from the ones I've been on exercise with. However, if you were the government of Denmark - you have 12, maybe 24 hours from the first enemy troops landing in Denmark in which to make the decision to fight on or capitulate. If NATO cant get meaningful re-inforcements to you in that time, you're done. Denmark does not have the benefit of geography that Norway or Sweden have, where you can trade territiory for time. Are you prepared to see your country destroyed around you fighting a battle you cant win ?

Hullebullen
06-21-2004, 09:29 AM
They were going to nuke Roskilde...the bastards! rofl

moughoun
06-21-2004, 10:16 AM
You lad's should count your selve's lucky, the Soviet's had nuke's trained on an airport 2 mile's from my home, and I'm in Ireland :cantbeli: , did they have no respect for neutrality, oh won't somebody think of the children p-)

wiking
06-21-2004, 06:11 PM
You think it's bad that the Russians aimed nukes at you. Let me tell you smoething.

Once upon a time someone in the US Departmen of Defence made a plan to invade Russia in the event that a soviet attack on Europe had been beat back. In such a case Norway would have to be taken, or the strategic advantage of Norway had to be removed. This is because Norways coastline makes it possible to controll the entire north-east atlantic, and the side that holds Norway controls the access to Northern Russia.

How do you remove the strategic advantage of a whole country?
you Nuke it. So even if the war agains the Russians had been won, we could have been Nuked by the US instead.

This is unconfirmed, so don't ask me for proof\source.

Midav
06-21-2004, 07:24 PM
Once nukes were used, it all would have been over with anway.

Screw the war, I'd rather be with my family at that point.

Mark Sman
06-22-2004, 02:42 AM
Yeah. WWIII = World totally stuffed.

Only winners would be the cockroaches.

b.scheller
06-22-2004, 02:56 AM
...and cher