Muslims Chase British Police Shouting 'Allah Akbar' and 'Kuffar'

[LordKitchener]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kp-lwSe2llg


Disgraceful scenes. The UK is turning into a slum.

[IDF_TANKER]

LOL, but a very sad LOL. I think the redhead chick at 3:25 started slowly realizing who her friends really are.

[Cedan]

Immigration: Promoting peace and stability :)

[Military-G]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kp-lwSe2llg


Disgraceful scenes. The UK is turning into a slum.

Yeah don't overexagerate or anything .....

In all seriousness I do wish they would react like the polizia or carabinieri in Italy and beat the crap out of annoying protesters that show signs of violence towards them ... if they want to protest protet but to chase the police .. its pretty lame and needs a propper response.

[CMNot]

Two points, to be fair to the coppers.

Firstly, not really the place for a CSO, or any pretend policeman.

Secondly, 3rd of January is an excellent time to kick off some trouble in London, perhaps second only to Boxing Day. Almost a full football program involving lots of London home game diverting scant resources. And if you left a London derby game unpoliced, you would face scenes far, far worse than this heckling.

[UK1RPO]

Two points, to be fair to the coppers.

Firstly, not really the place for a CSO, or any pretend policeman.

Secondly, 3rd of January is an excellent time to kick off some trouble in London, perhaps second only to Boxing Day. Almost a full football program involving lots of London home game diverting scant resources. And if you left a London derby game unpoliced, you would face scenes far, far worse than this heckling.

Maybe that's what we need, football hooligans would probably do a better job than the police are doing with these daft protesters.

[LebaneseMeghwar]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

[Military-G]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

Respect of the other people and the other peoples property in the country they are protesting in. That goes for the protesters being muslim, christian or fkn hippies protesting the removal of a tree.

They have smashed up countless stores and have been attacking police .. they are morons with no self control. Is the irony of using violence to protest a war lost on you?

[LebaneseMeghwar]

Respect of the other people and the other peoples property in the country they are protesting in. That goes for the protesters being muslim, christian or fkn hippies protesting the removal of a tree.

They have smashed up countless stores and have been attacking police .. they are morons with no self control. Is the irony of using violence to protest a war lost on you?

Sure,i was talking about protests and not supporting violent protests .. they need to respect the countries that have welcomed them. Regarding smashing stores let me corret you that they have smashed McDo store and nothing more unless you have a different information
Peace .

[Military-G]

Sure,i was talking about protests and not supporting violent protests .. they need to respect the countries that have welcomed them. Regarding smashing stores let me corret you that they have smashed McDo store and nothing more unless you have a different information
Peace .

Also some starbucks stores .. yesterday they threw barriers into the windows of one and tore up the street next to Israels embassy.

[sct1886]

They are expected to act as civilized human beings. Unless the police were physically provoking the violence, the actions were unnecessarily and ****! 1. Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. #2: If your brother refuses to live in peace, help him rest in peace or pieces.

[RoyB]

They can protest without smashing shops and cars, without violence.
Every rally gets out of hand with them.

[IDF_TANKER]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

You don't remember Jews going postal in Britain after every new bus or restaurant became a Juice squeezer during Intifada, do you?

[UK1RPO]

Just deport them... simple.

[TheEvian100]

Is it me or the police forces in all EU countries are becoming dangerously Politically Correct? A dude was throwing street cones at them or a mettalic fence, they should have beaten the cr@p out of him.

[Elemental666]

During the whole video I was hoping someone would punch the camera guy in the face with a bus. What an annoying jackass.

[dobrodan]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

I would personally like to see gratefulness from them, for not being in the sh*thole they came from, and for enjoying the spoils of our welfare-systems...

[MrScruff]

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/all-that-trouble-over-a-footballer/

For those who are planning to brand me as some kind of fascist monster baby-killer over the next few weeks, here is a formal Gadget statement for you:
1. I have never set foot in, or intend to invade - the Gaza Strip.
2. I cannot force the Israeli Defence Force to withdraw any more than I can stop the Hamas rockets.

Imagine the moment news reaches Gaza that a Starbucks was destroyed in London, and they all jump down from their tanks, put down the rockets, and have a nice game of footy against eachother

[click]

Maybe that's what we need, football hooligans would probably do a better job than the police are doing with these daft protesters.

Agreed! Turn the hooligans on 'em! rofl

[rhino]

Maybe that's what we need, football hooligans would probably do a better job than the police are doing with these daft protesters.

that would definitly solve the problem:)

[Military-G]

Is it me or the police forces in all EU countries are becoming dangerously Politically Correct? A dude was throwing street cones at them or a mettalic fence, they should have beaten the cr@p out of him.

Not really .. watch them fully through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXlp0zRzgfo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5M7hv0W8eY


Polizia :)

[SoSo]

I never have understood why so many European Muslims are so crazy and violent? Our American Muslims aren't like that.

[dobrodan]

Not really .. watch them fully through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXlp0zRzgfo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5M7hv0W8eY


Polizia :)

Carabinieri... Gotta love them!

[frenchy]

Do they burn cars too in England like in France ?

[CMNot]

Not regularly. Last time was the Oldham race riots that I can remember, which was in 01.

[Military-G]

Do they burn cars too in England like in France ?


Hmm last time I remember was when they had the riots of muslims in Bradford they burned cars but not on this palestine issue.



Carabinieri... Gotta love them!


woot Yeeeah

[Macs.]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

Because they act like dirty little pigs.

They are not "protesting" because they want peace, they are protesting because they are radical muslims who believe that they are allowed to go around, destroy and attack people because a pedophile some thousand years ago made up some verses for them to follow.

That's why. Not because they are such good, honest, caring people, they also only protest when the victims are muslim.

[Scrim]

Not really .. watch them fully through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXlp0zRzgfo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5M7hv0W8eY


Polizia :)
Yeah but thats part of the problem. Police show no hesitation in beating down "their own kind", but if Islam is involved in any way, everyone seems scared to lift a finger. Or is that just me?

[frenchy]

Eurabia soon ?

[Cedan]

Maybe we should send our riot police to South Korea for some instruction

[Military-G]

Yeah but thats part of the problem. Police show no hesitation in beating down "their own kind", but if Islam is involved in any way, everyone seems scared to lift a finger. Or is that just me?

Well the riots in Genoa they showed no discrimination .. just beat seven shades of **** out of anyone being agressive.

They do go over the top sometimes but it gets the point accross that they wont tolerate crap from anyone.

[CMNot]

Eurabia soon ?

The reconquista shall rise again.

More seriously, it will be interesting to see how far this recession bites into society over the next 24-48 months. If it is deep and prolonged I think we will see interesting issues surrounding social zoning and social cohesion amongst other social phenomena.

[LineDoggie]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

I'm sorry, could you please point out to me where those British Police Officers were Killing Palestinians? These People were Savages plain and simple. They should be treated as such until and if they can be civilized.

[PG18]

I never have understood why so many European Muslims are so crazy and violent? Our American Muslims aren't like that.

not yet... hopefully not...p-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8bQA6FYW0

[helomech]

The British cops should've sounded the bell for head cracking time;what a bunch assclowns

[wotsnext]

Yeah but thats part of the problem. Police show no hesitation in beating down "their own kind", but if Islam is involved in any way, everyone seems scared to lift a finger. Or is that just me?
Do you remember the miners strike! ?

[rhino]

I wonder what would happen if someone run a pig into the crowd:)

[PG18]

I wonder what would happen if someone run a pig into the crowd:)


that would be epic...rofl

[helomech]

I wonder what would happen if someone run a pig into the crowd:)

That would be one way to break up the protest

[Military-G]

There were loads of "pigs" in the video ;)

[wotsnext]

Maybe you could lob a few pork pies at them!

[Molli]

The police are present to contain the crowd. They are not there to smash heads in. If they were to storm in, they'd gain no advantage; it'd just be a mess. As you can see in the video, a number of people are actively baiting them; now, the police could take them down or they can watch, watch the little ****s shoot themselves in the foot, catch it all on camera and a few days later pick them up - more often than not, finding them in a most un-muslim condition... (It's very likely that there are officers present in the crowd specifically there to ID the ringleaders - a tactic used successfully against football hooligans.)

The baiters, I think in most cases you'll find, are there only for a scrap. They're chavs and thugs, looking for a bit of 'fun'. I very much doubt they give a crap about Palestine. I expect their limit of charity is joining a group on Facebook, or the like. If they cared, they'd be volunteering for the Red Cross. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that these 'muslims' are the same the police deal with on a Saturday evening, falling out of bars and clubs, with fags in their mouths and stashes of weed in their pockets. The same ones who wouldn't piss on an Arab, Caucasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus) or Turkish 'brother' if he was on fire.

[DS73]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

To go home and protect their country if they feel it's threaten?
But of course it's not the right solution for these brave islamists.
Blowing civil buses and chopping heads of civil engineers is so much more fun.
What british policemen have to do with current conflict?
Want to protest? No problem- do that, obeying local rules of civilized conduct.

[Red_Rage]

I wonder what would happen if someone run a pig into the crowd:)


All the muslims i knew (Lebanese, ex-USSR, Iranians) were quite fine with eating pork and drinking alcohol (as long as other muslims weren't watching). Islam is really hipocritical like that...

Best method is to stop this is to cut the immigration flow from Muslim countries - they bring nothing, don't assimilate and then start **** like that. Acting like that to the country that took you in from whatever ****hole they are from is the new height in ungratefulness and IMHO constitutes treason.

[Military-G]

The police are present to contain the crowd. They are not there to smash heads in. If they were to storm in, they'd gain no advantage; it'd just be a mess. As you can see in the video, a number of people are actively baiting them; now, the police could take them down or they can watch, watch the little ****s shoot themselves in the foot, catch it all on camera and a few days later pick them up - more often than not, finding them in a most un-muslim condition... (It's very likely that there are officers present in the crowd specifically there to ID the ringleaders - a tactic used sucessfully against football hooligans.)

The baiters, I think in most cases you'll find, are there only for a scrap. They're chavs and thugs, looking for a bit of 'fun'. I very much doubt they give a crap about Palestine. I expect their limit of charity is joining a group on Facebook, or the like. If they cared, they'd be volunteering for the Red Cross. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that these 'muslims' are the same the police deal with on a Saturday evening, falling out of bars and clubs, with fags in their mouths and stashes of weed in their pockets. The same ones who wouldn't piss on an Arab, Caucasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus) or Turk 'brother' if he was on fire.

I think the punishment if they are picked up later wont really be a deterrant ... what will they get maybe a small fine?

I guess you could say smashing their face in also wont be a detterant but its good to see mouthy ****s whos only intention is to cause trouble get kicked in by the police.

[timetraveller]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kp-lwSe2llg


Disgraceful scenes. The UK is turning into a slum.


Having read the title of the top0ic ,

I shall raise a few points you have clearly forgotten

1 they weren't chasing the Police!!

2 the Protest was infiltrated by those within the Asian Community who's sole purpose was possibly to incite possible Riot

3 the Police that are visably walkin back aren't retreating in any Aspect ,, If they stood their Gound the scenario would have been a lot worse Imo

4 the reason for the footage filmed was those trying were hoping to film Police taking action against them inturn go Then spout there crap claiming the Police were racially aggressive towrds them , and Inturn use back at them by portraying the Police whom were Present as Blatent Racist , when clearly they were at Fault ,

5 the Organised Protest and it's plainly obvious that one of the Organisers was trying to quell the behaviour of those who's sole purpose was to cause trouble gain a reaction from the Police whom were Present

6 you have to commend the actions of the Police whom were Present for not rising to the bait of a mindless few ,

7 Every individual whom was present at the March will have been Under survillance and well CCTV the police will use that footagr also to brain inditements against those trying to incite a full blown Riot ..

8 The Organised March route was givin to the Police before the March Started , So they knew where they were going .

9 -it was very obvious that the crowd wasn't 100percent Muslim .. again your title is misleading

[Adux]

This will not to end good!, The real power lies with the majority community and the government not these islamo-nuts, What I am afraid is one day these people will push the majority communities so much so, that a backlash of dis-proportionate force will be employed, and it will be similar to using a jackhammer to kill flies!

[Military-G]

Plus the guys saying deport them etc .. alot if not most are british citizens .. where do you deport them to.

[LineDoggie]

I know you deport them from.......


30,000 ft

[timetraveller]

Quite simple The Gulag in Siberia

[Military-G]

I know you deport them from.......


30,000 ft

lol I have no objection, I could imagine "question time" the following thursday though.

[Adux]

I wonder how the Russians or Americans would have handled this?

[timetraveller]

Do you remember the miners strike! ?


Yes i do , My Dad was in the Police Line at Hunterston ,

[binzer]

they are demonstrating for the gaza strip not for islam...way to manipulate what happened, i was all excited thiking it would look hilarious if the were shouting allah akbar lol...

they should get the turkish cops in there, pro's a handling demonstrations where the crowd gets all high and mighty and think theyre tough...or teh italian cops, theyre bad ass also:roll:

[wotsnext]

Yes i do , My Dad was in the Police Line at Hunterston ,
The gloves were off in those days :)

[Adux]

they are demonstrating for the gaza strip not for islam...way to manipulate what happened, i was all excited thiking it would look hilarious if the were shouting allah akbar lol...


One and the same.,

[Rugger Bugger]

I go out of the country for a week and it all kicks off, just been reading about Harry and now this with the demo-riot, timetraveller is right the MET will ID the guilty and go for them, problem is they will have to tread lightly in case they infringe their human rights as violent protesters........ PCUK all thanks to the Blairs (Cherry and Tony)!! Sorry like most of those UK civilised citizens I am getting fed up of these minority groups including the current lot in Westminster taking advantage of the good nature of this once great and proud land.....

My uncle was a copper during the miners strike, and there are no mines in the Thames Valley he did his duty as was expected of him but that did not mean he enjoyed it........ this is different, like someone pointed out its ok to kick the crap out of your own.....

[timetraveller]

The gloves were off in those days :)


Very true , He Retired ..having Spent 30 plus yrs with K disvision ,

[TheEvian100]

Not really .. watch them fully through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXlp0zRzgfo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5M7hv0W8eY


Polizia :)

In every EU country politicians control the police forces, some times to a ridiculous level. Here's an example when there were no clear orders and the greek policemen could do as they wanted with looters and "protesters".

http://ru.youtube.com/v/WHhs3W2HGds

UK is lucky because they're a more organised country and protesters can't pull of the sh!t they do over here.

[LaoSexMachine]

In every EU country politicians control the police forces, some times to a ridiculous level. Here's an example when there were no clear orders and the greek policemen could do as they wanted with looters and "protesters".

http://ru.youtube.com/v/WHhs3W2HGds

UK is lucky because they're a more organised country and protesters can't pull of the sh!t they do over here.


Baton to the face!!! Muhahhahahahaha.

[Molli]

Plus the guys saying deport them etc .. alot if not most are british citizens .. where do you deport them to.
These men aren't cells of al-Qaeda... they're just thugs. (Lady Justice's recent ineptitude is for a different thread.)

[helomech]

[quote=enallos;3831333]
http://ru.youtube.com/v/WHhs3W2HGds

quote]

Baton to the head ftw!
Protest and destroy property that's not yours?You SHOULD get the baton,that behaviour is uncalled for,if anything it's an excuse to act like an asshole

[CMNot]

Talking of beating 'your own' and the miners strike...how about the Brixton riots? Or any number of racial riots during the 70s/80s. Oh yes, lets return to the good old days :roll:

For a country that was once rife with vicious football hoolaganism, saw rioting not dis-similar to some of what America experienced in LA, where it was considered OK well into the 80s to speak of non-whites as "darkies" and "pakis" - we have come an awful long way where a few Asians chanting and a stupid quip from a Prince is incendiary news.

[TheEvian100]

Baton to the head ftw!
Protest and destroy property that's not yours?You SHOULD get the baton,that behaviour is uncalled for,if anything it's an excuse to act like an asshole

Tell me about it, here (http://ru.youtube.com/v/b0MUjeKAGZw) it's a weekly if not daily phenomenon. :-(

[timetraveller]

Talking of beating 'your own' and the miners strike...how about the Brixton riots? Or any number of racial riots during the 70s/80s. Oh yes, lets return to the good old days :roll:

For a country that was once rife with vicious football hoolaganism, saw rioting not dis-similar to some of what America experienced in LA, where it was considered OK well into the 80s to speak of non-whites as "darkies" and "pakis" - we have come an awful long way where a few Asians chanting and a stupid quip from a Prince is incendiary news.


Brixton and Toxteth .. i both remember them well ..

It al started over a single incident ..

[Rugger Bugger]

Talking of beating 'your own' and the miners strike...how about the Brixton riots? Or any number of racial riots during the 70s/80s. Oh yes, lets return to the good old days :roll:

For a country that was once rife with vicious football hoolaganism, saw rioting not dis-similar to some of what America experienced in LA, where it was considered OK well into the 80s to speak of non-whites as "darkies" and "pakis" - we have come an awful long way where a few Asians chanting and a stupid quip from a Prince is incendiary news.

So were you about in the 70's and 80's and remember those good old days? So UK/RSA? interesting....... you SA living in the UK?

[One?]

I never have understood why so many European Muslims are so crazy and violent? Our American Muslims aren't like that.

Depends where those muslims are coming from. Some are more radicalized than others. You will rarely find an arab muslim dressed like this because its not their culture. Some are driven by Arabism instead of Islamism. So when they protest they are protesting for their "Arab brothers" not their "muslim brothers".

http://www.zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/IMG_7970.JPG


In the UK and Europe you have a lot of Pakistani, Indian, and African (not north african) people who are culturaly different and practice a radical form of Islam.

I've never lived in the UK, but seeing videos of protests its clear whose who.

[CMNot]

So were you about in the 70's and 80's and remember those good old days?

Too young for the 70s in the main, 80s unfortunately I do remember.


So UK/RSA? interesting....... you SA living in the UK?

No, English born and bred. Family is based on the Garden route, so get to split my time.

[Mr.K]

Maybe that's what we need, football hooligans would probably do a better job than the police are doing with these daft protesters.

Well if you want a civil war, yeah.
The police executed whatever orders they had.

[Rugger Bugger]

Too young for the 70s in the main, 80s unfortunately I do remember.



No, English born and bred. Family is based on the Garden route, so get to split my time.

So how mature a student are you? Riots p!ss me off no matter what the cause....... flag burning (only the Union), poll tax, race riots, football
d!ckheads etc all it does is hurt the common man, damage poperty, I don't get hung up enough to want to go out and cause trouble apart from when numpties get out of hand..... they then deserve the water cannon, failing that the baton, but then if you think about it how many of the MET would have pulled a sickie on Monday? What a effed up world we live in!!!!!

[bababooey]

First, you start arming all the police over there. Second, you deport anyone who say's "allah akhbar". Third, you put listening devices in every niche where those radicals live and deport them. Fourth, one-way tickets for all those radical Imam's back to wherever they came from. Fifth, rebuild the protestant church and indoctrinate all the school age kids in what it is to be a British.

I could never, ever understand why Great Britian has such a love/hate with itself. The British colonized the world and gave foriegn peoples a new way of thinking. From its democracy to its military system, the British have alot to be proud of. Of course, nothing is perfect and mistakes were made, but, to the credit of the British, they recognized them, and tried to fix them. To see a close minded people, like radical Muslim's be given free reign over a nation, just because of the need to be "sensitive" is illogical. I assure you, Great Britian, those same people you are kind to will not be kind in return. The hate and intolerance that their version of Islam promotes will be slowly injected into your laws. The nation that gave birth to the essence of democracy will become the first European nation to be ruled by its own Ayatollah. May God have mercy.

[Molli]

First, you start arming all the police over there. Second, you deport anyone who say's "allah akhbar". Third, you put listening devices in every niche where those radicals live and deport them. Fourth, one-way tickets for all those radical Imam's back to wherever they came from. Fifth, rebuild the protestant church and indoctrinate all the school age kids in what it is to be a British.

I could never, ever understand why Great Britian has such a love/hate with itself. The British colonized the world and gave foriegn peoples a new way of thinking. From its democracy to its military system, the British have alot to be proud of. Of course, nothing is perfect and mistakes were made, but, to the credit of the British, they recognized them, and tried to fix them. To see a close minded people, like radical Muslim's be given free reign over a nation, just because of the need to be "sensitive" is illogical. I assure you, Great Britian, those same people you are kind to will not be kind in return. The hate and intolerance that their version of Islam promotes will be slowly injected into your laws. The nation that gave birth to the essence of democracy will become the first European nation to be ruled by its own Ayatollah. May God have mercy.
Oh my... LOL! :D

[PG18]

First, you start arming all the police over there. Second, you deport anyone who say's "allah akhbar". Third, you put listening devices in every niche where those radicals live and deport them. Fourth, one-way tickets for all those radical Imam's back to wherever they came from. Fifth, rebuild the protestant church and indoctrinate all the school age kids in what it is to be a British.

I could never, ever understand why Great Britian has such a love/hate with itself. The British colonized the world and gave foriegn peoples a new way of thinking. From its democracy to its military system, the British have alot to be proud of. Of course, nothing is perfect and mistakes were made, but, to the credit of the British, they recognized them, and tried to fix them. To see a close minded people, like radical Muslim's be given free reign over a nation, just because of the need to be "sensitive" is illogical. I assure you, Great Britian, those same people you are kind to will not be kind in return. The hate and intolerance that their version of Islam promotes will be slowly injected into your laws. The nation that gave birth to the essence of democracy will become the first European nation to be ruled by its own Ayatollah. May God have mercy.

post of the week...rofl

[Starlight]

Its really weird how you guys turn things to make fun on..
What are you expecting to see from palestinians and arabs living abroad with all this killing taking place?

I expect to see the same civilised, restrained, protest held every Saturday, year in year out, outside the Zimbabwe embassy in London by people who have been through years of trauma, both the war in the 70's, then the ongoing tyranny of Mugabe who has continued to wage war on the people there.
The uncouth, savage, tone set to this protest do no favours to their cause, I would be more inclined to support the Israelies purely out of disgust!

[aed1980]

I guess Mel Gibson was wrong, muslims are the cause of all wars!!!

[aed1980]

Where are the skinheads when people needs them????

[CMNot]

First, you start arming all the police over there. Second, you deport anyone who say's "allah akhbar". Third, you put listening devices in every niche where those radicals live and deport them. Fourth, one-way tickets for all those radical Imam's back to wherever they came from. Fifth, rebuild the protestant church and indoctrinate all the school age kids in what it is to be a British.

I could never, ever understand why Great Britian has such a love/hate with itself. The British colonized the world and gave foriegn peoples a new way of thinking. From its democracy to its military system, the British have alot to be proud of. Of course, nothing is perfect and mistakes were made, but, to the credit of the British, they recognized them, and tried to fix them. To see a close minded people, like radical Muslim's be given free reign over a nation, just because of the need to be "sensitive" is illogical. I assure you, Great Britian, those same people you are kind to will not be kind in return. The hate and intolerance that their version of Islam promotes will be slowly injected into your laws. The nation that gave birth to the essence of democracy will become the first European nation to be ruled by its own Ayatollah. May God have mercy.

Zzzzzzing.

[Hilbert]

EDIT: Nevermind.

[aed1980]

Problem is that most muslim youth was born in europe, so no deportation possible.

[LebaneseMeghwar]

First, you start arming all the police over there. Second, you deport anyone who say's "allah akhbar". Third, you put listening devices in every niche where those radicals live and deport them. Fourth, one-way tickets for all those radical Imam's back to wherever they came from. Fifth, rebuild the protestant church and indoctrinate all the school age kids in what it is to be a British.

Am not supporting those acts but let me tell u most of them are british people with arab or muslim origin, regarding departing everyone sho says allah w akbar well that wasnt propriate from you to insult a whole religion just because some few ppl made this angry protests.

[LordKitchener]

Problem is that most muslim youth was born in europe, so no deportation possible.

Deportation IS possible. We can change the law if the sentiment is there.

The problem is the British have been giving away British passports for too long (you can collect them in breakfast cereals).

These Muslims do not want to assimilate to our culture. They came here to earn more money - they do not admire our culture.

[Molli]

Hey! I know! Let's forgo the complications of organising deportations, and just put 'em all in a camp on Salisbury Plain... Yeah!

[LaoSexMachine]

I never have understood why so many European Muslims are so crazy and violent? Our American Muslims aren't like that.


I think American Muslims are more finacially more successful then their European counterparts. Most Muslims I know here in Houston have degrees and good jobs. They are a productive member of society.

[Mr.K]

I think American Muslims are more finacially more successful then their European counterparts. Most Muslims I know here in Houston have degrees and good jobs. They are a productive member of society.

Makes sense, the better you do in life the less you complain about it.

[LordKitchener]

I never have understood why so many European Muslims are so crazy and violent? Our American Muslims aren't like that.

Remember European muzzies are generally from the middle east. American muzzies are generally blacks who joined islam to protest against the White man even though the muzzies screwed the blacks over far more during slavery than the Whites.

[Bia]

Am not supporting those acts but let me tell u most of them are british people with arab or muslim origin, regarding departing everyone sho says allah w akbar well that wasnt propriate from you to insult a whole religion just because some few ppl made this angry protests.
You're right but it's easy to confuse that chant when some of us... have seen countless videos of men yelling "allah akbar" 127 times as they carve a mans head off or ambush a car on the road slaughtering everyone inside.

For me, a westerner in pretty much an all white area... the "allah akbar" chant will forever be synonomous with murder.


Just being honest.

[LaoSexMachine]

Remember European muzzies are generally from the middle east. American muzzies are generally blacks who joined islam to protest against the White man even though the muzzies screwed the blacks over far more during slavery than the Whites.


WTH?!! Nation of Islam? The successful Muslims I met were either from Pakistan or the Middle East.

[Mr.K]

Where are the skinheads when people needs them????

I don't think they like you either.

[Molli]

What are you going to say to the Egyptian Christians as you throw them on a plane?

[Military-G]

Where are the skinheads when people needs them????

Maybe they are all trying to figure out what 2+2 is .. that should keep those braindead bald monkeys busy for a lifetime.

[ronnieraygun]

Where are the skinheads when people needs them????


They're just like the shooters of the video - all talk when you're on camera and in a big group.

[aed1980]

I don't think they like you either.

hahaha, i know
but as they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[LordKitchener]

WTH?!! Nation of Islam? The successful Muslims I met were either from Pakistan or the Middle East.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Re-read my post.


Where are the skinheads when people needs them????

They have been too far infiltrated by the police for the past decade. They are finished.

[TheBelgian]

fcking animals. Idiot cvnt protestors. So goddamn counter productive. I consider myself pretty neutral on the Gaza issue, but whenever I see sh!t like this I just want to send a cheque to the IDF. Funny how every pro-Israel protest seems peaceful and dignified but when these pro-Palestine nutjobs get together it often turns violent. If they're so commited to Palestine, go to Israel and protest there.

It looks like the police in this video really underestimated the situation from the beginning though. Every pro-Palestine protest should be considered a potential riot. I'm sure these tards protesting would be a lot less beligerent if they were facing a solid wall of cops with a gasmask and full riot gear, backed up with some tear gas, FN303s and water cannons, should the need to use them arise.

[TheBelgian]

Deportation IS possible. We can change the law if the sentiment is there.

The problem is the British have been giving away British passports for too long (you can collect them in breakfast cereals).

These Muslims do not want to assimilate to our culture. They came here to earn more money - they do not admire our culture.

How could you deport someone who was born in Britain, with a British nationality, who's never lived anywhere else? Where would you deport them to? Because their parents came from Pakistan or the middle east or god knows where, you think you can just suddenly send them back there and the local government would accept it? Deportation of people born in Britain, no. Severe penalties for getting out of line, yes.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

They have been too far infiltrated by the police for the past decade. They are finished.Very doubtful indeed as they have been in rapid decline since the late 80's mostly due to changing trends amongst British youth and simple fact that very few women want to shag you if your a skinhead. Some football Casuals got involved with the BNP before they had a makeover and tried to be Middle Britain but the UK fascist movement is a bit of a mixed bag of sorts all different types of folk with uncommon agendas.

[LordKitchener]

How could you deport someone who was born in Britain, with a British nationality, who's never lived anywhere else? Where would you deport them to? Because their parents came from Pakistan or the middle east or god knows where, you think you can just suddenly send them back there and the local government would accept it? Deportation of people born in Britain, no. Severe penalties for getting out of line, yes.

You don't seem to comprehend that laws are made by men. If there is an overwhelming sentiment for non-white Britons to be deported, the law can be changed/passports rescinded and policy implemented.

As for where they can be deported to - Africa/anywhere their parents originally came from.

Remember you don't see Fundamentalist Hinduism in the UK like you the with the Muslims and the Hindus are in much greater number. Indian Hindus are far more civil than the Muslims.

[UK1RPO]

How could you deport someone who was born in Britain, with a British nationality, who's never lived anywhere else? Where would you deport them to? Because their parents came from Pakistan or the middle east or god knows where, you think you can just suddenly send them back there and the local government would accept it? Deportation of people born in Britain, no. Severe penalties for getting out of line, yes.


I know some places in the middle-east that will deport you to the country your parents originated from even if you were born in the country itself. It happens

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Ian Stuart was knob jockey :roll:

[LordKitchener]

Very doubtful indeed as they have been in rapid decline since the late 80's mostly due to changing trends amongst British youth and simple fact that very few women want to shag you if your a skinhead. Some football Casuals got involved with the BNP before they had a makeover and tried to be Middle Britain but the UK fascist movement is a bit of a mixed bag of sorts all different types of folk with uncommon agendas.

I would say that it's near impossible to get a job if you are an openly-declared Nationalist these days. That's a big point as to why the movement has declined - the Left has made anyone who disagrees with them 'racists'. There is no free speech.

[MapleLeafUp]

He was a **** no doubt, but he does make some outstading songs!

[CMNot]

You don't seem to comprehend that laws are made by men. If there is an overwhelming sentiment for non-white Britons to be deported, the law can be changed and policy implemented.

:cantbeli:

You might want to take a look at European Law.

[totach7]

fcking animals. Idiot cvnt protestors. So goddamn counter productive. I consider myself pretty neutral on the Gaza issue, but whenever I see sh!t like this I just want to send a cheque to the IDF. Funny how every pro-Israel protest seems peaceful and dignified but when these pro-Palestine nutjobs get together it often turns violent. If they're so commited to Palestine, go to Israel and protest there.

It looks like the police in this video really underestimated the situation from the beginning though. Every pro-Palestine protest should be considered a potential riot. I'm sure these tards protesting would be a lot less beligerent if they were facing a solid wall of cops with a gasmask and full riot gear, backed up with some tear gas, FN303s and water cannons, should the need to use them arise.

I was born in Haifa living among the arabs
they have that habit to become a gang whenever there more then 3 of them
next is to shout kill the jews or push them to the sea
100 years and nothing new
















http://idf-armor.blogspot.com/

[TheBelgian]

You don't seem to comprehend that laws are made by men. If there is an overwhelming sentiment for non-white Britons to be deported, the law can be changed and policy implemented.

As for where they can be deported to - Africa/anywhere their parents originally came from.

Remember you don't see Fundamentalist Hinduism in the UK like you the with the Muslims and the Hindus are in much greater number. Indian Hindus are far more civil than the Muslims.

You don't seem to comprehend that people can change a law in their own country, but that doesn't mean the consequences of that law will be accepted by other countries the law affects. By which I mean, why on earth would "Africa/anywhere their parents originally came from" accept troublemakers that have never lived in the country and dont have the nationality!? You can't just load up a C130 with immigrants and then paradrop them out over the country their parents came from (or could you...hmmm..). Unilateral repatriations of your own nationals to a country they've never lived in is a surefire way to ruin the relations between Britain and these countries.

[LordKitchener]

:cantbeli:

You might want to take a look at European Law.

Means **** all. The British can do whatever they want. Sure, they may well be isolated/punished by the global community if their actions were deemed unsound but they have the ability to deport whoever they want.



why on earth would "Africa/anywhere their parents originally came from" accept troublemakers that have never lived in the country and dont have the nationality!? You can't just load up a C130 with immigrants and then paradrop them out over the country their parents came from (or could you...hmmm..).

They would be happy to receive some of our 'educated' minorities in comparison to their native populations - it would help build their 'countries'. Plus they would have no choice. Are their coastal batteries going to bombard the deportation ships that come into their ports?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I would say that it's near impossible to get a job if you are an openly-declared Nationalist these days. That's a big point as to why the movement has declined - the Left has made anyone who disagrees with them 'racists'. There is no free speech.Outside the civil service and military there is nothing stopping anyone with a nationalist outlook being employed lets face it how often are we asked in an interview about your political leanings. The National movement burnt out due uncommon agendas and they wanted to fight each other when the tried to discuss common agendas. Political fratricide pure and simple.

[Military-G]

Well this has turned into a ****fest .. now we are going to deport non white britons what the hell? If there would ever be a stupid enough majority that would think thats a good idea I wouldnt want to live in the UK anymore.

[TheBelgian]

Means **** all. The British can do whatever they want. Sure, they may well be isolated/punished by the global community if their actions were deemed unsound but they have the ability to deport whoever they want.




They would be happy to receive some of our 'educated' minorities in comparison to their native populations - it would help build their 'countries'. Plus they would have no choice. Are their coastal batteries going to bombard the deportation ships that come into their ports?

Christ, are you kidding? So, your goal is basically to purge Britain of all other races and retreat back into splending isolation, consequences be damned? Great idea, very well reasoned and thought out. Wreck the country as long as it's all lillywhite again. You need these educated minorities, by the way. And the troublemakers that you really DO need to get rid of arent exactly the educated kind that the middle east or africa could use. Rather than worry about finding a solution to minorities, you'd be better off trying to find a cure for chavs.

[Piggy]

For better understanding of european democracy (and its liberal perception of state) this question fits quite well: What would be reaction of iranian, yemenian, saudian or sirian police, if the protesters would protest against rocket attacks on Israel and behave in this manner, like those in London?
And they say, democracy is universal! Yeah, wright!!!

[LordKitchener]

now we are going to deport non white britons what the hell? If there would ever be a stupid enough majority that would think thats a good idea I wouldnt want to live in the UK anymore.

That wasn't my point. Read my comments comparing the British Hindus vs. the Muslims.

Certain cultures have nothing constructive to bring to the land that industrialised the world etc. They don't teach you that in your school by the way.....

[CMNot]

Means **** all. The British can do whatever they want.

rofl

Yeah dude. Britain STRONG!

[LordKitchener]

For better understanding of european democracy (and its liberal perception of state) this question fits quite well: What would be reaction of iranian, yemenian, saudian or sirian police, if the protesters would protest against rocket attacks on Israel and behave in this manner, like those in London?
And they say, democracy is universal! Yeah, wright!!!

Very good point.

I would like to instruct a lot of you liberal drones that are reading this - The Saudis do NOT permit non-Muslims to enter Mecca but the West allows Muslims to riot on the sacred lands of London etc.

[LordKitchener]

rofl

Yeah dude. Britain STRONG!

Don't be an idiot.

I was talking in a theoretical sense. Just as SA did what they wanted racially but they were held hostage by foreign powers who disagreed with their values which forced them to change their policies.

[Toddy1]

Deport the lot of them, if they don't want to play by our rules then **** off back to wherever you or your ancestors came from. I am ****ing sick of these pricks from all over the world walking in and creating a **** storm....we are a western civilisation...deal with it

[TheBelgian]

Don't be an idiot.

I was talking in a theoretical sense. Just as SA did what they wanted racially but they were held hostage by foreign powers who disagreed with their values which forced them to change their policies.

Yeah, damn meddling foreign powers, putting an end to Apartheid... :roll:

[LordKitchener]

Yeah, damn meddling foreign powers, putting an end to Apartheid... :roll:

Economic sanctions, SA being treated like a social leper - do your research, child.

[Trenk]

I am sorry for that cops, I would feel like sh.t if my job would be "go there and let them beat you or you got fired"

[LordKitchener]

Yes, the police were humiliated in the video but they take their orders from the politicians.

[rhino]

Economic sanctions, SA being treated like a social leper - do your research, child.

reading comprehention is not your strongest suit, is it?

[Military-G]

Deport the lot of them, if they don't want to play by our rules then **** off back to wherever you or your ancestors came from. I am ****ing sick of these pricks from all over the world walking in and creating a **** storm....we are a western civilisation...deal with it

Thats like baring all britts from entering spain on holiday because a minority of the chavy kind act like fkn remedials.

You cant be so general as to say "the lot of them" especially when most of them are citizens of GB and havent done anythign wrong .. kind of tough to deport them eh?

[CMNot]

Don't be an idiot.

Thread gets better.

[TheBelgian]

Economic sanctions, SA being treated like a social leper - do your research, child.

Listen, bud, dont you call me a child, you condescending prick. I'll wager I do more research on an average week than you've ever done. And at least I make an effort to check if the notions I put forth have some sense, and practical relevance. Unlike your inane BRITAIN STRONG!!11!1! racist BS.

And by the way, I realize the impact outside forces had on the end of the Apartheid regime. What I was mocking was your obvious longing for the good ol' days where a white government could do whatever they wanted to people of other races.

[Military-G]

Listen, bud, dont you call me a child, you condescending prick. I'll wager I do more research on an average week than you've ever done. And at least I make an effort to check if the notions I put forth have some sense, and practical relevance. Unlike your inane BRITAIN STRONG!!11!1! racist BS.

And by the way, I realize the impact outside forces had on the end of the Apartheid regime. What I was mocking was your obvious longing for the good ol' days where a white government could do whatever they wanted to people of other races.

Chill out man its not worth getting yourself in trouble over woot

[LordKitchener]

And by the way, I realize the impact outside forces had on the end of the Apartheid regime. What I was mocking was your obvious longing for the good ol' days where a white government could do whatever they wanted to people of other races.

Hail Belgian Congo rofl

Let's keep it on topic, please.

[Atlantic Friend]

You don't seem to comprehend that laws are made by men.

And are supposed to mark the difference between civilization and barbary.


If there is an overwhelming sentiment for non-white Britons to be deported, the law can be changed/passports rescinded and policy implemented.

Deporting all non-whites... Would you be Filochard's long-lost brother ? p-)


As for where they can be deported to - Africa/anywhere their parents originally came from.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. They have British citizenship, and were born in Britain. It's not a question of revoking their passport here. They are Britons, your countrymen.

[TheBelgian]

Chill out man its not worth getting yourself in trouble over woot

Hehe you're right, man, I might have flown of the handle a bit....not without cause though.

Back to the issue at hand, does anyone know if this protest rally in the video was legal? As in, with a permit? Because it it was, one would figure the police would have been more prepared to handle incidents. Or was it just a bunch of hotheads getting togetehr and protesting without a permit?

[Military-G]

Not sure .. I think they must have a permit in the UK .. the moderate ones with them probablly had permission. Then they gate crashed as they always do.

[Rugger Bugger]

bloody hell pop out for a bit and it really kicks off on this thread.......... don't all fall out over a minority of retards who have nowt better to do than throw traffic cones at the MET, New Labour have been throwing cr@p at them for years.......

[INAT]

Where is the Active Denial System (ADS) when you need one?

[LordKitchener]

That doesn't make a lot of sense. They have British citizenship, and were born in Britain. It's not a question of revoking their passport here. They are Britons, your countrymen.

Sorry but deporting non-whites was not my intended point or concern. Also, 'citizenship' is just another man-made concept - it can be revoked at anytime by MEN.


Because it it was, one would figure the police would have been more prepared to handle incidents.

There were no riot police there because the authorities believe that the sight of men with riot shields evokes more agressive tendencies from the crowd. They deploy 'soft' PCs to defuse the bomb....

[Bia]

The Saudis do NOT permit non-Muslims to enter Mecca but the West allows Muslims to riot on the sacred lands of London etc.Two wrongs dont make a right.

Apples and oranges sir.

[TheBelgian]

Hail Belgian Congo rofl

Let's keep it on topic, please.

Haha "Hail Belgian Congo"!? Wow, I'm amazed at how you scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with retorts. Yes, I'm Belgian, yes, we did used to colonize Congo. My, you DO research in depth! Well done! And this comment was of course so very relevant seeing as how I was the one wistfully thinking back to the days of racially segregated colonial oppresion, right? Haha and I especially love how you followed that inane, unrelated, off the mark comment up with a suggestion to stay on topic...classic.


Sorry but deporting non-whites was not my intended point or concern.

Oh, really? :


You don't seem to comprehend that laws are made by men. If there is an overwhelming sentiment for non-white Britons to be deported, the law can be changed/passports rescinded and policy implemented.


Consistency, I love it.

1000th post ,wheeeeee! :)

[Lazy Lob]

These type of scenes aren't rare as the met is more interested in arresting members of the opposition.

I agree with CMN that our usual tolerance level may be tested as recession bites. And with Bia that the "allah akbar" chant is and will be associated with violence and intolerance. Combine these two posters valid opinions and a lot of people aren't going to give a flying f**k about the finer points of discrimination.

[Military-G]

These type of scenes aren't rare as the met is more interested in arresting members of the opposition.

I agree with CMN that our usual tolerance level may be tested as recession bites. And with Bia that the "allah akbar" chant is and will be associated with violence and intolerance. Combine these two posters valid opinions and a lot of people aren't going to give a flying f**k about the finer points of discrimination.

Totally and when its tested the response shouldnt be "deport them all" .

[TheBelgian]

These type of scenes aren't rare as the met is more interested in arresting members of the opposition.

I agree with CMN that our usual tolerance level may be tested as recession bites. And with Bia that the "allah akbar" chant is and will be associated with violence and intolerance. Combine these two posters valid opinions and a lot of people aren't going to give a flying f**k about the finer points of discrimination.

Agreed. All these protestors around the world are doing are making the negative stigma that is already attaching itself to "Allah Akbar" and Islam in general worse, unfortunaly. What does Kuffar mean, by the way?

[aed1980]

Dont think you should deport all muslims, what i think should have been done, was to call the riot squad, to see if these muslims were so tough at all.

[Lazy Lob]

Totally and when its tested the response shouldnt be "deport them all" .

Unfortunately it won't be you who decides. Rough times ahead I just hope we can keep our stiff upper lip, even though it may quiver at times.

[INAT]

Not trying to derail but at least the British Muslims have not started burning
cultural sites.This is a Europe wide problem.Around 2 min 20 secs is bad.


http://www.youtube.com/v/fkgHkxIfgBc

[Lazy Lob]

Agreed. All these protestors around the world are doing are making the negative stigma that is already attaching itself to "Allah Akbar" and Islam in general worse, unfortunaly. What does Kuffar mean, by the way?

Derogatory term for non believers of what ever they believe in. Google is yer mate.

[California Joe]

I do understand the frustration level.

It's hard not to have a violent or at least negative reaction when you are innundated by images of people that have no respect or gratitude for the country whose laws guarantee them the life they are now allowed to live. It seems the pinnacle of bad manners.

But lets try and keep things civil in here fellas.

[Alfacentori]

Agreed. All these protestors around the world are doing are making the negative stigma that is already attaching itself to "Allah Akbar" and Islam in general worse, unfortunaly. What does Kuffar mean, by the way?

Kuffar means non Muslim, its a derogatory term, similar in purpose and meaning (and sound) to a word once used to describe 'Africans', if you get my drift.

Edit: Lazylob beat me to it.

Alfa

[Mr.K]

DeportationSTRONG Crew1111!!!! is strong today

[TheBelgian]

Kuffar means non Muslim, its a derogatory term, similar in purpose and meaning (and sound) to a word once used to describe 'Africans', if you get my drift.

Edit: Lazylob beat me to it.

Alfa

Yes indeed, it sounds very similar to that certain word once used to describe africans. strange.

[LordKitchener]

Two wrongs dont make a right.

Apples and oranges sir.


This is not really apples and oranges.

Non-Muslims not being allowed to set foot in Mecca is one thing (and this is a hushed secret too). A First World country bending over backwards to appease a backward, medieval ideology and its values is another thing.

[bababooey]

post of the week...rofl

Oh, oh...Did my typing fingers get me in trouble again..:oops:

Talk to me, boyz. Am I way out on the flag pole on this one.

[California Joe]

Your rant was met with good natured laughter for the most part.

If you were really in trouble I'd have infracted your ass.

[bababooey]

Am not supporting those acts but let me tell u most of them are british people with arab or muslim origin, regarding departing everyone sho says allah w akbar well that wasnt propriate from you to insult a whole religion just because some few ppl made this angry protests.

No, no, no. Not all muslims, just the wackos. I'd say that for extrememist christians too. Those few should be flogged with a wet noodle, IMO.

[bababooey]

Your rant was met with good natured laughter for the most part.

If you were really in trouble I'd have infracted your ass.

:) Its all about the humor :) Glad it got a giggle

[Bia]

This is not really apples and oranges.

Non-Muslims not being allowed to set foot in Mecca is one thing (and this is a hushed secret too). A First World country bending over backwards to appease a backward, medieval ideology and its values is another thing.Right over your head... you dont understand the term "apples & oranges" means they are indeed two diff things as you admit in quote.

Trying to compare Mecca rule on outsiders has nothing to do with England and immigrants.

[timetraveller]

I shall re post what i said earlier .. because it's very apparent nobody has read or took in what i said ... or plainly forgot


Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKitchener http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3830856#post3830856)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kp-lwSe2llg


Disgraceful scenes. The UK is turning into a slum.


Having read the title of the top0ic ,

I shall raise a few points you have clearly forgotten

1 they weren't chasing the Police!!

2 the Protest was infiltrated by those within the Asian Community who's sole purpose was possibly to incite possible Riot

3 the Police that are visably walkin back aren't retreating in any Aspect ,, If they stood their Gound the scenario would have been a lot worse Imo

4 the reason for the footage filmed was those trying were hoping to film Police taking action against them inturn go Then spout there crap claiming the Police were racially aggressive towrds them , and Inturn use back at them by portraying the Police whom were Present as Blatent Racist , when clearly they were at Fault ,

5 the Organised Protest and it's plainly obvious that one of the Organisers was trying to quell the behaviour of those who's sole purpose was to cause trouble gain a reaction from the Police whom were Present

6 you have to commend the actions of the Police whom were Present for not rising to the bait of a mindless few ,

7 Every individual whom was present at the March will have been Under survillance and well CCTV the police will use that footagr also to brain inditements against those trying to incite a full blown Riot ..

8 The Organised March route was givin to the Police before the March Started , So they knew where they were going .

9 -it was very obvious that the crowd wasn't 100percent Muslim .. again your title is misleading



And further more what happend at that Protest some people used it as Platform for thier own gain , and grounds for inciting to cause trouble ..

[Moriarti]

Agreed. All these protestors around the world are doing are making the negative stigma that is already attaching itself to "Allah Akbar" and Islam in general worse, unfortunaly. What does Kuffar mean, by the way?

"Kuffar" or "Kaffir" is Arabic for Infidel or "Non-believer...also Kaffir is an Afrikkans racial slur against blacks

Islam is a religion of submission to "Allah the Graeatest" (Allah hu akbar) and of a quest for global caliphate through any means possible, including subversion, subjugation, murder and war, and has NO room for any tolerance of any other religion with the exception of Christians and Jews who pay a tax and live as second class citizens. (Per the Muhammad in the Koran and Hadiths) - they don't believe that it is "negative" to accociate the term "Allah-hu-akbar" with violence as the religion expressly encourages such behavior thrrough the canonical written sources as well as all of the leading scholars.

(keep in mind that I am not a Christian or Jew please)

Whereas Christianity was in fact hijacked by the power hungry and greedy in the past (and many times today) Jesus was very much a hippy if you will - peace love and jelly beans - offering absolution through his martyrdom, and offering a way into paradise through faith, thus abrogating the Jewish teachings of a vengeful god who "ruled" thorugh fear and might - Islam was founded by a power hungry warlord who changed his views and actions, according to his messages from "Allah" to suit his needs. He taught that might makes right and that when you are the minority, lie (takkiya) and subvert - yet once you gain power, subjugate and conquer. He was a pedifile glutton who abrogated his own teachings just to make his actions appear "legal". In my studied opinion - "moderate" muslims are either "bad muslims" in that they don't follow the tennants of thier own religion - OR they are subverting and lying under the auspices of takkiya in order to either "get along" while in the minority, or lull the Kaffir into a false sense that there are in fact true believers out there who don't want a global caliphate after smiting the necks of the Kaffirs.

IMHO - the Jews vis-a-vis Israel, have shown infinite patience with the whole world - especially the Arab Muslims considering the totality of the circumstances as well as the harsh nature of the teachings of the hebrew version of "God" - I wonder how long such patience wil last - and they finally try to fulfill prophecy by blasting down the al Asqa Mosque and rebuilding the Temple.... heh - self fulfilling prophecy in that case methinks.

[timetraveller]

This is not really apples and oranges.

Non-Muslims not being allowed to set foot in Mecca is one thing (and this is a hushed secret too). A First World country bending over backwards to appease a backward, medieval ideology and its values is another thing.


Can you name a famous comedian and tv presenter which his trek around the world took him to Mecca and filmed it for his series .. and freely wanderd around the site ..

Answers on a postcard please ..

[Lazy Lob]

Can you name a famous comedian and tv presenter which his trek around the world took him to Mecca and filmed it for his series .. and freely wanderd around the site ..

Answers on a postcard please ..

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6789/meccaif0.jpg

[SHAM]

As the young man said, "All is good in the Empire, God save you". :)

[LordKitchener]

Can you name a famous comedian and tv presenter which his trek around the world took him to Mecca and filmed it for his series .. and freely wanderd around the site ..

Answers on a postcard please ..

Post him please. Maybe he bluffed his way in there or it was a PR campaign by the Saudi regime. I will leave you with this (I know it's wiki but it's solid and you can find reputable sources to back it up).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca#Entry_forbidden_for_Non-Muslims

[timetraveller]

Michael Palin ....

Nuff Said ...

When you label a video wrongly ... It would decent of you admit ur mistake ..

[Lazy Lob]

Michael Palin ....

Nuff Said ...

Mecca? Which series, I must have missed that one.

[Moriarti]

Michael Palin ....

Nuff Said ...


Yup Sarah Palin's dad.























p-)

[LordKitchener]

I shall re post what i said earlier .. because it's very apparent nobody has read or took in what i said ... or plainly forgot ..

I read it the first time but most of it was such fart, it required no response. I will reply selectively.



2 the Protest was infiltrated by those within the Asian Community who's sole purpose was possibly to incite possible Riot

Yes, they were a minority like the minority of 70% plus who voted Hamas in. :roll:

They are the vocal majority.

3 the Police that are visably walkin back aren't retreating in any Aspect ,, If they stood their Gound the scenario would have been a lot worse Imo

Worse for who? The protesters? The police? The countr's image?

When a protest becomes violent in this way, it ceases to be legitimate and the police should be authorised to shut it down.

6 you have to commend the actions of the Police whom were Present for not rising to the bait of a mindless few ,

They take orders from the top - they have been personally humiliated over the past week.

7 Every individual whom was present at the March will have been Under survillance and well CCTV the police will use that footagr also to brain inditements against those trying to incite a full blown Riot ..

PC politics - these boys will be untouched for fear of an uprising

9 -it was very obvious that the crowd wasn't 100percent Muslim .. again your title is misleading

What kind of peon would belive it was 100% muslim? We all know the ranks are filled by lefty students and uninformed clowns. I think I even saw some white chavs at the front too. The crowd was overwhelmingly muslim though.

[LordKitchener]

Mecca? Which series, I must have missed that one.


Me too. I love Palin's stuff and have seen loads of it.

I don't recall a Mecca episode.

We shall await the link.

[timetraveller]

Mecca? Which series, I must have missed that one.

Yes .. No word of lie , Michael Palin visited mecca which featured in a series he did .

And the new series 80 faiths around the world also visits Mecca if one is not mistaken

[LordKitchener]

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6789/meccaif0.jpg


Thanks for the pic Lazy :)

[Lazy Lob]

Yes .. No word of lie , Michael Palin visited mecca which featured in a series he did .

And the new series 80 faiths around the world also visits Mecca if one is not mistaken

Fine but which series? In the 80 day one he was forbidden from visiting Mecca and his film crew was not allowed to set foot in Saudi. He had to travel alone, by land through Saudi.

I have never seen him filming in Mecca.

The 80 faiths series who filmed the Mecca footage?

[CMNot]

Why is Mecca even in this discussion?

[Lazy Lob]

Why is Mecca even in this discussion?

Red herring principle?

[INAT]

Why is Mecca even in this discussion?


I think the point was in Western culture they can do things we would not be able to do in Muslim lands.I think but am not sure.

[Mr.K]

I think the point was in Western culture they can do things we would not be able to do in Muslim lands.I think but am not sure.

So what? As if "we" want to go and live in these muslim lands.:roll:

[timetraveller]

Fine but which series? In the 80 day one he was forbidden from visiting Mecca and his film crew was not allowed to set foot in Saudi. He had to travel alone, by land through Saudi.

I have never seen him filming in Mecca.

The 80 faiths series who filmed the Mecca footage?

I distinctly remember Palin in Mecca ..i remember watching it was the series after he finished doin 80 days if one is not mistaken

[Moriarti]

I think the point was in Western culture they can do things we would not be able to do in Muslim lands.I think but am not sure.


I think the point was that there is a double standard, not just in SA but adopted by the politically correct west. In our quest to be sensitive, inclusive and tolerant we have become second hand citizens without freedom of religion, expression, speech or even retaliation to verbal attacks. Whereas, Muslims can act atrociously, be exclusive and hateful to everyone who they disagree with to the point of rioting, vandalism, hate speech and outright violence (not to mention overt and covert acts of terrorism, espionage and sabotage) - but if a non-muslim turns the tables even to say that he disagrees he is branded a racist.

[LordKitchener]

I distinctly remember Palin in Mecca ..i remember watching it was the series after he finished doin 80 days if one is not mistaken

Sorry buddy, we don't accept your memory as a reputable source.

[Lazy Lob]

I distinctly remember Palin in Mecca ..i remember watching it was the series after he finished doin 80 days if one is not mistaken

He never visited Saudi in Pole to pole, Great railway journeys or Full Circle and those are the three following series.

[ronnieraygun]

^^I watched the series too, like 10 years ago or something. It was really nice. I think the only crew members allowed anywhere near were Muslim. I really liked when he introduced his daughter Sara, because she was like this Gidget Fuhrer type and that shrill voice really meant business.

Actually, how 'bout some of you cordially reject semantic wankfests about whether or not they let someone from Monty Python into Mecca (highly doubtful, btw) It's not really that important to the discussion you are having from what I can see.

[Sideline]

and they finally try to fulfill prophecy by blasting down the al Asqa Mosque and rebuilding the Temple.... heh - self fulfilling prophecy in that case methinks.

I agree, this would be self fulfilling, which would hold no value/meaning. (Other than doing the task just to "get rewarded"). That temple has been denied for so long, it has to be more, it needs to stand for something with meaning. I could IMAGINE....It could stand as a symbol/sign to God Almighty, while also being a damn good example for the rest of the world/conflicts. Let all of his children in HIS holy land unit under the one God Almighty,Allah, in brotherly love. And the temple is a task completed, and a symbol/sign/proof/effert of brotherly love. Of course I say this from an observer, dreamer, but at the very least trying to look for the possible positive future. If the Mideast can cut their loss, and move forward, then the rest of the world would be cake.
Maybe if the children just jesture to the father, that they understand and try.....Father will make it all better.
Do people dream anymore....or just invent?

Sideline- Just watchn

[Dodge]

Yes i do , My Dad was in the Police Line at Hunterston ,

What did your father feel at the time about the people he was fighting that day?

[RuneX2]

Can you name a famous comedian and tv presenter which his trek around the world took him to Mecca and filmed it for his series .. and freely wanderd around the site ..

Answers on a postcard please ..I think there are certain areas of Mecca reserved for only Muslims, so perhaps he could visit certain areas as long as he stayed away from others.

Just don't get lost!


A Keralite, who was reportedly facing death sentence in Saudi Arabia, has been set free due to timely intervention of Indian authorities.

Jojo Joseph of Edathua in the district was on Monday ordered to be beheaded for entering the holy place of Medina despite a bar on non-Muslims.

According to Jojo's family members in Edathua, the Saudi authorities later took a lenient view of the case after they were convinced that he did not deliberately commit the mistake.

Jojo, employed in an electronic shop in Jeddah, ran into trouble while rushing in a cab to a hospital where his wife had given birth to a child. The taxi driver took a wrong route and strayed into the prohibited area, his family members said.

The Indian was then spotted by religious volunteers, who handed him to the police.Keralite spared death sentence by Saudi court (http://beeqube.com/article/ker)

[aed1980]

So what? As if "we" want to go and live in these muslim lands.:roll:

Man, we are living in these so called "muslim" lands :P

[Atlantic Friend]

Non-Muslims not being allowed to set foot in Mecca is one thing (and this is a hushed secret too).

Since then is it a secret ? I've known that for over a decade and it's not as if I had to pore over secret Saudi documents. Unless I'm mistaken, the same restrictions stand for Medina, although I'm not sure it's all year-round.

[Laworkerbee]

If those Youtube comments were anything to go by I'd dare say I'll likely see another genocide in Europe in my life time. :|

[SrB-23Q]

So what? As if "we" want to go and live in these muslim lands.:roll:

LMAO

best post here

[Bia]

Why is Mecca even in this discussion?
Because LordKitchner is butthurt Muslims can go to mecca but white guys arent allowed.
And that Muslims are allowed in his whte world he cries double standard.

OK...so... life is full of double standards... and the analy sensitive are the first to let it be known. But as I pointed out originally... the comparison has no validity in this debate.

[Laworkerbee]

Why would a Non Muslim want to go to Mecca any how? I certainly wouldn't.

[Military-G]

http://www.meccabingo.com

[rhino]

Why would a Non Muslim want to go to Mecca any how? I certainly wouldn't.


http://www.meccabingo.com

?they hold the world largest bingo game there?

[rhino]

If those Youtube comments were anything to go by I'd dare say I'll likely see another genocide in Europe in my life time. :|

I fear you are right, there is definitly a problem there, I just wonder how and when its going to resolve itself:|

[Military-G]

?they hold the world largest bingo game there?

woot hehe

They actually renamed the Mecca bingo near here because the local muslim population was deeply offended.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/47352.stm

Sorry for the bizarre off topic.

[Moriarti]

woot hehe

They actually renamed the Mecca bingo near here because the local muslim population was deeply offended.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/47352.stm

Sorry for the bizarre off topic.

Exactly the point - It is OK to burn the flag of your host nation and demand the death of "infidels" but God forbid someone names a gambling hall something accociated with the oh-so-pure Islam.

[Laworkerbee]

Exactly the point - It is OK to burn the flag of your host nation and demand the death of "infidels" but God forbid someone names a gambling hall something accociated with the oh-so-pure Islam.

Which brings me to a point I've been considering and am now going to act on it in my personal life.

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.

[California Joe]

Although I think there are about 7 Muslims in the entire state of Vermont, the next one I see is going to get a good talking to.

[Hollis]

I think it is terrorists plans are to drag all Muslims into this conflict, where they will find themselves being forced to align with the terrorists to some degree. Some people have a very good understanding of how the media works and how to exploit that for their own propaganda/agenda.

I don't think organizations like CAIR really cares in creating a positive environment. They want conflict, preferably when it is view as Western bigotry against Islam/Muslims. Maybe they got their directions from Al Sharpton. How to marginalize and alienate people from the mainstream Americans.

[gaijinsamurai]

Which brings me to a point I've been considering and am now going to act on it in my personal life.

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.

Excellent point, LAWB.

[Adux]

Which brings me to a point I've been considering and am now going to act on it in my personal life.

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.

Extremely good and mature post.

[Lazy Lob]

Which brings me to a point I've been considering and am now going to act on it in my personal life.

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.

That's exactly what I do. Well said!

Now if only the fecking rozzers would take a step back and re-evaluate the common folk's priorities it would all be hunky dory.

[khalsa1699]

Which brings me to a point I've been considering and am now going to act on it in my personal life.

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.

thats a quick lesson learnt! im glad some people are waking up to the reality and gravity of the situation in western countries.

[Daniel4802]

I'm afraid that if politicians cut from the same cloth continue appeasing for generations to come, and the Muslim population surpasses native Europeans, the future will only get worse. In no way am I speaking ill of moderate Muslims, but unfortunately [in a manner of speaking] when you have more apples, its only natural to expect more rotten ones.

[Lazy Lob]

Mmmmm...... scrumpy.

[Atlantic Friend]

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.

And so do we when we insult these same liberal Arabs, their culture or their religion.

[California Joe]

If they're truly "liberal" they'll be able to handle it.

[Laworkerbee]

If they're truly "liberal" they'll be able to handle it.

Yeah, kind of how I'm a liberal "Messican"

Thanks for such kind responses guys.

[Macs.]

And so do we when we insult these same liberal Arabs, their culture or their religion.

As if the main problem would be that "they" are Arab, the elephant in the room is Religion.

[matthew.manhorn]

Damn, where are the OMON when you need them...

[Atlantic Friend]

As if the main problem would be that "they" are Arab, the elephant in the room is Religion.

I think the elephant in the room is Power. Religion in this case is a mean to an end - the Fath people the Hamas murdered weren't exactly Buddhists.

Moderate Arabs are Muslims too. Integrated Arabs are Muslims too. The Arabs I work with are Muslims, and they don't go Jihadist on week-end. I don't see what is accomplished by saying the religion of my buddy Khaled, who works and saves up and is a productive member of the society is a problem. He doesn't force it on me or on anyone. Why should he pay for what the Hamas does, exactly ?

[Lazy Lob]

I think the elephant in the room is Power. Religion in this case is a mean to an end - the Fath people the Hamas murdered weren't exactly Buddhists.

Moderate Arabs are Muslims too. Integrated Arabs are Muslims too. The Arabs I work with are Muslims, and they don't go Jihadist on week-end. I don't see what is accomplished by saying the religion of my buddy Khaled, who works and saves up and is a productive member of the society is a problem. He doesn't force it on me or on anyone. Why should he pay for what the Hamas does, exactly ?

How is your buddy Khaled paying exactly? Aren't you over egging it a bit?

[Sideline]

I feel the moderates should talk to the radicals...I mean...maybe they would at least listen to a "brother".
When you gotta chop someones head off to love God/ make them believe in something....then something is wrong. I mean really, if they surrender to your belief...it's not because they believe...it's because they don't want there head chopped off.....I just can't understand that God would want a bunch of Posers. Bad way to recruit. But maybe I"M crazy.
keeping it simple
Sideline- Just watchn

[Moriarti]

Which brings me to a point I've been considering and am now going to act on it in my personal life.

Every time we dance around to as not to offend Islamist's we weaken the moderate and liberal Arabs because we are so busy pussyfooting around with the extremists and in seeking to please them (which will never happen) we don't give a voice to the others who are more mellow and like the West and it's values.


And so do we when we insult these same liberal Arabs, their culture or their religion.


As if the main problem would be that "they" are Arab, the elephant in the room is Religion.


I feel the moderates should talk to the radicals...I mean...maybe they would at least listen to a "brother".
When you gotta chop someones head off to love God/ make them believe in something....then something is wrong. I mean really, if they surrender to your belief...it's not because they believe...it's because they don't want there head chopped off.....I just can't understand that God would want a bunch of Posers. Bad way to recruit. But maybe I"M crazy.
keeping it simple
Sideline- Just watchn

Unfortunately the issue is that there is no such thing as a "good" Muslim who is moderate. By thier own dogma they MUST smite the necks of the infidel. These "moderates" or those that are "integrated" are either "bad" muslims OR are lying. Seriously. I *wish* there was a way to "reason" with these ppl...but the only "reason" they understand is might. - Read up on the writings of some muslims who have converted - or those "bad" muslims who don't follow sharia law and get hounded...sometimes to death. We are just too niave as a culture to see that there are only "quiet" mulsims and "loud" muslims not friendly muslims and crazies.

[Atlantic Friend]

How is your buddy Khaled paying exactly? Aren't you over egging it a bit?

He isn't paying for anything NOW. My point is, if we somehow decide that it's not what people do, but what they believe that is the problem, then that mean this guys who works, pays his taxes, keeps himself to himself and doesn't impose his religion on anyone, will be treated as a Hamas sympathizer, because of his religion.

And it's the part when I ask : exactly why should Khaled be lumped with a Hamas terrorist ? Why should he pay for what others do ?

[Sideline]

Unfortunately the issue is that there is no such thing as a "good" Muslim who is moderate. By thier own dogma they MUST smite the necks of the infidel. These "moderates" or those that are "integrated" are either "bad" muslims OR are lying. Seriously. I *wish* there was a way to "reason" with these ppl...but the only "reason" they understand is might. - Read up on the writings of some muslims who have converted - or those "bad" muslims who don't follow sharia law and get hounded...sometimes to death. We are just too niave as a culture to see that there are only "quiet" mulsims and "loud" muslims not friendly muslims and crazies.
I understand where your coming from, but anything man puts his hand in gets screwed up. Christians used to be doing their share of killing (outright) in the name of God. Ok, there are a lot of RULES I cant understand in religion....like don't eat pork...don't eat shellfish.....And I think ...God is going to damn me to "Hell"(insert the worst thing you can imagine but know nothing about) because I had bacon with breakfast? Where is the BRAIN in this stuff....I mean I could IMAGINE...that back in the old day..man added that because maybe Pork and shellfish where harder to keep fresh, and where most responsible for making people sick.....What is the best way in the old day (Actually a timeless practice) to get people to do what you want? Instill FEAR in them.(and FEAR of God keeps people under control)
Anyway...keeping it simple and not giving up hope :)
Sideline- Just watchn
EDIT:....We need to start promoting understanding and not fear. lol...AND FEAR of getting your head chopped off works for controlling the flock too.

[Laworkerbee]

And it's the part when I ask : exactly why should Khaled be lumped with a Hamas terrorist ? Why should he pay for what others do ?

He shouldn't be and to do so would be immoral in my opinion.

[Sideline]

OK...plain and simple......Hamas/Supporters only act the way they do....to instill FEAR to get what they want....
But its not gonna work...they have to rise up.....the World will not bow down.

EDIT: I can only Imagine that the separation of Church and State saved the USA. Seems in Islam....Church has too much power to play with right now.

[Laworkerbee]

OK...plain and simple......Hamas/Supporters only act the way they do....to instill FEAR to get what they want....
Does that make sense to anyone else?

Not to me since I was recently at a protest and half the people at the rally I shot were not even Palestinians or Arabs. The most vocal were "Leftists" and the bloody rally was run by this guy...a Venezuelan version of Johnny Depp
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/Picture076.jpg
The chick in the background was a Chico Studies student what ever the hell that means.

[eskachig]

N
The chick in the background was a Chico Studies student what ever the hell that means.
Chicano?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano_studies

[Laworkerbee]

Chicano?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano_studies

Thanks, since I am one you would think I could spell it right :roll:

[Moriarti]

I understand where your coming from, but anything man puts his hand in gets screwed up. Christians used to be doing their share of killing (outright) in the name of God. Ok, there are a lot of RULES I cant understand in religion....like don't eat pork...don't eat shellfish.....And I think ...God is going to damn me to "Hell"(insert the worst thing you can imagine but know nothing about) because I had bacon with breakfast? Where is the BRAIN in this stuff....I mean I could IMAGINE...that back in the old day..man added that because maybe Pork and shellfish where harder to keep fresh, and where most responsible for making people sick.....What is the best way in the old day (Actually a timeless practice) to get people to do what you want? Instill FEAR in them.(and FEAR of God keeps people under control)
Anyway...keeping it simple and not giving up hope :)
Sideline- Just watchn
EDIT:....We need to start promoting understanding and not fear. lol...AND FEAR of getting your head chopped off works for controlling the flock too.


Promoting understanding sounds GREAT and reducing fear ever BETTER - but remember - Islam has no Jesus in that Jesus was a peace loving hippie - Mo was a war mongering pedofile. People hijacked christianity and killed peopele in spite of the teachings of JC. People kill for islam BECAUSE of the teachings of Mo.


OK...plain and simple......Hamas/Supporters only act the way they do....to instill FEAR to get what they want....
But its not gonna work...they have to rise up.....the World will not bow down.

EDIT: I can only Imagine that the separation of Church and State saved the USA. Seems in Islam....Church has too much power to play with right now.


Agreed - except under Sharia law there can be NO seperation of church and state as the relegion IS that state.


Not to me since I was recently at a protest and half the people at the rally I shot were not even Palestinians or Arabs. The most vocal were "Leftists" and the bloody rally was run by this guy...a Venezuelan version of Johnny Depp
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/Picture076.jpg
The chick in the background was a Chico Studies student what ever the hell that means.

Yeah - lefties in the US siding with Hamas and AQ. They are idiots - cuz when Islamics take over those are the first people put to sword as "pagans and homos". Just sayin' is all.