Fairwell President Bush thread

[sinophile]

For me, someone else's thank you said it best:


by grettafinch [Jan 11, 2009 8:58:24 PM]
Thank you Mr. President... You stuck to your principles.. Much needed in Washington. You stopped further attacks on our soil and put the fight where it belongs... With our military.. Not with civilians walking around in a tall building in New York... Thank you... God Bless.

From: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/10/bush-says-refused-bail-republicans-iraq-withdrawal/

From Bush's comments in the article:


The younger Bush agreed. "The biggest disappointment in the political process, that's been this kind of bitterness by a few people to the point where they don't want to have a logical discussion or a civil discussion about policy," he said. "They just want to tear you down."

He was wasn't the best US President IMHO, but he did an honorable job given his humanity and the circumstances that confronted him.

[Fargin]

Adieu, mon Capitain.

[ltrowley]

Bye.......it's been just swell.

[NeoConPatriot]

He faced challenges not seen since WWII. 30 years from now we will know if his policies and decisions made the US a better country or not. Regardless of what you think of him I would never want to be put in the position to make the decisions he had to make.

[Stefan850]

He did f*ck us Serbians up, with the Kosovo backing and all, although I blame Clinton more for that then I blame him but anyway I always liked that guy, not because for what he did but for just the way he is...he's just likable :)

Like a cute, very stupid kid that always brakes something by accident and then looks at you scared, you cant be mad at him.

[budgie]

Sorry can't help it. Good riddance. Out with the old, in with the new. He was incompetent from the start and from the world at large, Mr Bush, you will not be missed.

[Invisigoth]

Bye bye George, glad to see you go, you sucked.

[CPLHUNTER]

Goodbye President Bush, I haven't agreed w/ every policy or position you have put in place, however I commend you on sticking to your positions on various issues. I believe firmly that you have made the US safer from terrorist attacks and I support you in whatever you choose to do in the future.

Thanks for supporting our military in every action and for fighting AIDS in Africa.

I believe that history will judge you as a president who did his best to defend America and assist in our economy and nation.

I'll miss you...

[Rilence]

It was almost worth him being in office just for his constant f*ck ups of the english language.

[JKD]

"Well...bye"

http://i40.tinypic.com/rkbw21.jpg

[bababooey]

Later, ****...cheney

[szr]

http://www.youtube.com/v/n-y1-eXjJ_g (http://www.youtube.com/v/n-y1-eXjJ_g)

Rock on, Mr. President.

[INAT]

Well you handled White House scandals by simply riding them out and waiting for the next scandal.

You let Cheney loose on the American and Iraqi people, you gave
Ultra-right wing gangsters and terrorists their own state, you conquered Iraq and almost conquered Afghanistan.

You have made the world a much more dangerous place and imposed anti-Democratic legislation on a shocked and awed public. All under the banner of a war on terrorism and national security.You allowed corporate interests enormous influence over U.S. government policies, and – by extension – over global matters of war, peace and human rights.

Even though you are leaving office the system you introduced in these last 8 years will unfortunately live on long after you are gone.

Maybe I said too much,Goodbye.

[deagle]

theres ALOT of things he coulda done better. i agree with some of his principles, but didn't agree with alot of the management.

[Karaahmetoglu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnjuJ1pbmc

[Karaahmetoglu]

Is it true they tried to assassinate him in 2005 in Tibilisi? Some Armenian threw a grenade at him?

[bean_mr]

It is impossible to play the arm chair general with the Presidency of the United States. With all things considered, I felt that President George W. Bush did the best he could with what he had. And in the end that is all that any man can do. I respect him and his decisions right or wrong for they were made with the best interest of our country in mind. At one point the majority of the United States believed that they need to trust him, and when you put that trust to the test you need to be prepared for the outcome. No president will ever make all of his constituents happy, nor should he try. President Bush, in my opinion, always did what he believed was necessary and no matter how hard the right thing for our country. When you elect a man to office that is all you can ask for. I can not, nor will not hold anything against our President. Our Commander and Chief, God Bless and Thank You.

[Hilbert]

Good riddence to you Mr. Bush, now we get to endure another four years of undermining and trashing the Constitution and march towards a new cold war.

[Midav]

He didn't have an easy presidency. As was stated, I wouldn't want to have been in his shoes. There were some tough decisions to make.

But, he stuck by his principles. President Bush was not perfect and made mistakes.... who wouldn't have? Good bye Mr. President.

[SkyUS]

Adieu Adieu Adieu Mr. Bush

Your time has passed, had some good times and way too much of ****ty times. Can't say that you will be remembered well but ohh well.

When Hoover was elected as the POTUS people believed that he was the most qualified person to be there, but when he was put to test, he underperformed and the rest is history. With all the hype built up for Obama he will have a harder time to live up to it. We'll see how he will perform.

[Gat0r]

I was expecting somebody to start a thread like this.

Where should I start? You're 8 years have been an accumulation of incompentency, arrogance ,total lack of adhering to the constitution (he did say it was just a GD piece of paper right?), and an above the law mentality.

You used fear mongering to advance the surveilence state and to conduct a war of aggresion and occupation against another nation that posed no threat to us.

The socialization of many parts of our economy has taken place, and an outright criminal bailout of the banksters was allowed to happen, in no small part due to fear tactics used by you're administration. Spending has been out of control and you're ingorance of the policies that lead to the Great Depression is leading us down the same path this time to financial ruin of a bigger scale.

I guess I'll stop with that

[firemedic]

I think winning a war is a pretty good legacy.

[T for Tetrapod]

Can't say that I totally hate him. I hate the evangelicals who manipulated stuff behind the scenes while he was in office. Either way, so long and thanks for all the fish.

One of these days Laura, I'm gonna punch you in the face.

[SBL]

I liked him. Didn't always agree with him, but he sure didn't give a hoot about public opinion, and that appeals to me.

[BearInBunnySuit]

I liked him. Didn't always agree with him, but he sure didn't give a hoot about public opinion, and that appeals to me.

I agree. Through all the tough choices he had to make, the pressure he faced and the undiluted hatred that was displayed toward him, he never wavered and I respect him for that. He may not be the brightest, the most charismatic or for that matter, very eloquent but to me, it was indubitably clear where his heart lay. While his policies and the results they brought about may not have been what the public wanted or liked, I believe he truly did what he thought was best for America.

[LineDoggie]

I was expecting somebody to start a thread like this.

Where should I start? You're 8 years have been an accumulation of incompentency, arrogance ,total lack of adhering to the constitution (he did say it was just a GD piece of paper right?), and an above the law mentality.

You used fear mongering to advance the surveilence state and to conduct a war of aggresion and occupation against another nation that posed no threat to us.

The socialization of many parts of our economy has taken place, and an outright criminal bailout of the banksters was allowed to happen, in no small part due to fear tactics used by you're administration. Spending has been out of control and you're ingorance of the policies that lead to the Great Depression is leading us down the same path this time to financial ruin of a bigger scale.

I guess I'll stop with that

So EMO..................................................

[Gat0r]

So EMO..................................................

Oh i'm sorry, I guess all we need is more of the same and we'll be just fine, we're America F*** YEAH! nothing can stop us...

[ronnieraygun]

Oh i'm sorry, I guess all we need is more of the same and we'll be just fine, we're America F*** YEAH! nothing can stop us...

Nobody here is stupid enough to believe that. Everyone here is pretty good at poking holes in pomposity, though.

[Spaz]

Honestly I like the man, he helped get this country through some tough times. I wish he could stay in longer, I want to keep my guns.

[budgie]

I think winning a war is a pretty good legacy.


last I checked there are two unfinished wars.


I agree. Through all the tough choices he had to make, the pressure he faced and the undiluted hatred that was displayed toward him, he never wavered and I respect him for that. He may not be the brightest, the most charismatic or for that matter, very eloquent but to me, it was indubitably clear where his heart lay. While his policies and the results they brought about may not have been what the public wanted or liked, I believe he truly did what he thought was best for America.

One might argue he should have done what the people thought was best andlistened when constituents and allies told him they disapporoved, instead of so stubbornly sticking to his guns.

[LineDoggie]

Well to be fair, whats FDR's legacy? does it include winning WW2? After all, it was ongoing after he died

[helomech]

I thought he did a good job considering what was thrown his way the last eight years;Obama definitely has a full plate coming into the presidency but we'll see how he does;people are so quick to blame Bush for 9/11,what about the fact that Clinton squandered a couple of attempts to nail bin Laden but instead lobbed a Tomohawk missiles to please himself and his cult of followers

@budgie,it seems so easy for you to be super-critical of Bush;it's no secret of who you dislike or like;do you think you could've done a better job?Wait let me answer that for you:Of course you could have-what was I thinking?

[INAT]

/http://www.youtube.com/v/RBCPuFnhlMc



From today.





/http://www.youtube.com/v/-hhMn3WINx8&NR=1

[LineDoggie]

So sad bringing up that discredited Rick Sanchez report. Even his own station deflated that one.

Jeanne Moos showed the low intellect crowd what really happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeFEZ6fg_h0

[INAT]

I simply posted the video I did not investigate the entire story so please
relax with the condescending attitude.If you can.

[helomech]

So sad bringing up that discredited Rick Sanchez report. Even his own station deflated that one.

Jeanne Moos showed the low intellect crowd what really happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeFEZ6fg_h0

That Rick Sanchez really is a douchebag-I hope he got his **** slapped for that,but he probably didn't-may have gotten a raise instead,sad sad sad

[Gat0r]

Well to be fair, whats FDR's legacy? does it include winning WW2? After all, it was ongoing after he died

Well according to the government schooling that we get, he was responsible for getting us out of the Depression, nothing could be further from the truth, Hoover and then FDR's New Deal programs were utter failures and drastically prolonged the hardship. In that aspect his legacy should be seen in a negative light.

[usa320]

I agree. Through all the tough choices he had to make, the pressure he faced and the undiluted hatred that was displayed toward him, he never wavered and I respect him for that. He may not be the brightest, the most charismatic or for that matter, very eloquent but to me, it was indubitably clear where his heart lay. While his policies and the results they brought about may not have been what the public wanted or liked, I believe he truly did what he thought was best for America.

x2.

He made decisions and stuck to them because he firmly believed in them. He wasnt someone who changed course everytime a new gallup poll was released which results in absolutely nothing being done.

[lorinshia-cn]

Goodbye president Bush , hope all u best in your future life.

I'm your fans , I listen quite a lot of your speech include the weekly radio address, I learned quite a lot from this , your thought and your policy .

Looking forward and welcome u can visit China whenever u comvenient .
GOOD LUCK!

[firemedic]

[QUOTE=budgie;3832999]last I checked there are two unfinished wars.



Not the way I see it. Iraq is a victory, 73% of operations are now carried out by Iraqi forces, 117 Iraqi battalions online and operational, (source Army times ) US troop deaths down 92%, increased foreign investment, Iraqi airforce now operational, etc, thanks to Bush having the brains to listen to Petraeus and giving him what he needed to succeed and accomplish the mission despite what the civilian know-nothings thought about it is why we won. As for A-stan? we shall see. That is Obama's to lose.

[K0m1t4]

Sure hope you left a pork sandwitch in the oval office fridge, president Hussein likes snacks too.

[Atlantic Friend]

x2.

He made decisions and stuck to them because he firmly believed in them. He wasnt someone who changed course everytime a new gallup poll was released which results in absolutely nothing being done.

Which can be a curse as often as it is a blessing... After all, Stalin never wavered either. And he sure did believe in getting things done more than he ever believed in opinion polls - or opinions.

But oh well, what's the point anyway. He's had his 8 years, he's ineligible now, exit the old boss, enter the new one...who might not the get praise from Republicans if he doesn't waver and stays the course, nor from Democrats if he alters it.

In the end partisanship trumps every other consideration.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Bye bye Bush, you were a terrible president and did more damage to America than can currently be measured. Glad to see you go and not a second too soon.

Nothing personal though, other than that you are a swell guy.

[SkyUS]

Well according to the government schooling that we get, he was responsible for getting us out of the Depression, nothing could be further from the truth, Hoover and then FDR's New Deal programs were utter failures and drastically prolonged the hardship. In that aspect his legacy should be seen in a negative light.

That's highly debatable.
FDR's New Deal did not get USA out of depression military build up and lend lease act did however. I wouldn't call New Deal as utter failure, it helped in build up of the infrastructure, and creation of gov't jobs for the unemployed. surly about ~10 million people still were unemployed when the Second New Deal ended and not everybody benefited equally from the gov't programs, but at least he was willing to set in and take the charge.

Don't get me wrong I have a lot of negative things to say about the FDR's political aspirations, but that's another topic.

Hoover at the end of his presidency established the Reconstruction Finance Corporation which was a good idea, but the its small budget made it just not a working project. FDR picked up this idea during his presidency and made it work. However Hoover is still known as the **** up, but hey he did stick to his principles and didn't want to allow the American character to be destroyed by putting Americans on the dough.


Sorry for the off topic.

[Bia]

More humans hate America now than 8 years ago = FAIL

[Holycrusader]

That was a lost time for the world...
Im happy that he is gone... Now its time for repairing what he broke.

Bye and never return Mr. Bush.

[GrinchWSLG]

More humans hate America now than 8 years ago = FAIL

I sure as hell hate America now more than 8 years ago, but not because of the president. I hate all those fat, unthinking, greedy, worthless Americans that sit around and bitch and moan about how much their life sucks and how its the president's fault.

I won't miss President Bush, his time has passed. He could have done a better job, but I feel he wasn't in full control of his own presidency. Now he's been left to the slaughter while the real string pullers get away scott free. He's no Hitler though, and he doesn't deserve even half the crap he's gotten for the last 4 years. I'll be glad to never have to hear senseless Bush bashing ever again.

[non]

All I can recall is how the Clinton interns removed the "W" from every keyboard in the White House.
All else is a blur.(Shut up...I like remembering how I remember, thanks)
Hope lightning doesn't strike your bone dry ranch and set you on fire or anything. That would be bad...for you.

GOOD FVCKING RIDDANCE.

[szr]

I'll tell you what; maybe the President is a better man than I, but if I were him and I heard this much bellyaching and moaning it'd fill me with a quiet pride that I'd twisted so many panties in a wad around the globe. So I tip my hat to the President.

[CombatBoots]

Exit stage, left... Hope he recovers from his fear of shoes.
He was no evil man, he did as he knew best.
Making no decision is worse than making a bad decision, so I hate many European politicians much more than him.
(And I don't even personally hate him, it's just being a politician in general gives minus points in my book)

[Superking]

Farewell President Bush, you sure knew how to piss off the chronicly unemployed commie/anarchist kids in Europe....I admire that quality.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1495/bushcc1.jpg

[Jurinko]

Considering how the leftist scum hated him, he had to do something right.

[grenville]

“ Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”
One thousand hurricane Katrina’s could not equal the natural disaster that was two terms in office for this neo con.
As the hand wringing Texan prepares his return home to the Lone Star State, presumably to digest the effects of a
collapse in the global financial system, near depression in the homeland, and coalition nations embedded in a war
of insurgency, he might open his box of crayons one last time, and write a long overdue thank you note to Ms Harris.
It will take several generations before it is once again possible to express an independent thought, in this democracy.

Thank God for regime change.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Pwh8H1huyx8&hl=en&fs=1

[vryhpyammoadded]

Now do you understand why I said I’d never enter politics Mr. President? The cannibals know exactly what they’re doing only that they can’t stop their bad habits. What a dirty, stressful and unthankful job it can be when they get into a feeding frenzy.

I hope you at least made good and do well enough in your retirement having taken all their sins clearing the way for the next guy to be mounted on their national cross. Your sacrifices will eventually mean something in the scope of things. We’ll see what history unfolds from your work.

At least your passing taught me just how dangerous the cannibals are and kicked my ass into high gear to not get devoured and in turn lose my inhabitations devouring them. Thanks for the lesson.

[commanding]

President Bush, God bless him, as commander in chief ...kept another 9-11 from happening on American soil for 7 years. After 9-11, I was sure we would see another attack within months. He ordered the fight taken to the enemy. As I see it he kept my three grandsons alive, my daughter and son-in-law alive, my mom and entire family alive...thanks to the sacrifices of our military. RIP to all those who have given some or all to keeping us out of harm's way.

[SrB-23Q]

Good Bye Bush

hope America never gets another president like you

as it would do America and the rest of the world a huge favour.

[commanding]

In a way, I am glad to see a fine president leave office, as I am tired of the whining of the left wing nuts. Now with the "chosen one" about to take office, the shoe will be on the other foot, and I can complain about everything the big O does for the next four years. It will be a joy in four years to hear the left wingers eating their words, and bemoaning the votes they made for this empty suit, they call Obama. The man doesn't even know how to salute the military escorts and pilots of Marine One and Air Force one. At least Bush served (in the military). All of our great presidents served in the military. And a few crummy ones served in the military (Carter).

[CPLHUNTER]

I thought the same that once Obama takes office all issues w/ be on him. However, he can easily pawn off problems on the evil Bush.

[CPLHUNTER]

“ Every nation, in every region, now has a

What's wrong w/ that quote. Makes sense to me. Draw the line in the sand and see who is on ur side. If you harbor terrorists or fund them, then you are against us. Pretty clear and simple to me.

[Atlantic Friend]

What's wrong w/ that quote. Makes sense to me. Draw the line in the sand and see who is on ur side. If you harbor terrorists or fund them, then you are against us. Pretty clear and simple to me.

What's wrong with it is that it's not about harboring terrorists, but about toeing a defined line.

When you start with "Either you are with me or you are with terrorists" it's generally a matter of seconds before the first part is interpreted as "either you do as I say, or you are with terrorists". And in this respect the WH-defined line was another example of that tendency.

What's the most important ? To fight terrorists, or to be with the US Administration? The past White House, IMHO, clearly chose the second option, and tried to tar every dissenting voice with accusations of "abetting terrorism" or "giving support to the enemy".

[2Sheds_Jackson]

If I had the money, I'd pay that swishy old British guy to write Goodbye Texas Rose or some such thing. On balance, I think he did a good job, given the events he had to deal with. I think history will be much kinder to him than we have been - since the West has now pretty much realized the fact that the post-Cold-War honeymoon is over.

[Bia]

President Bush, God bless him, as commander in chief ...kept another 9-11 from happening on American soil for 7 years.That is pure spectulation.

I have a rock that keeps away Tigers.
Some laugh.... but we've never seen a tiger.


Duh

[Mike Keenan]

I think he was ok.

Goodbye Texas Rose.

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[matthew.manhorn]

Bush is comparable with FDR: didn't have the economic policies but was unfortunate enough to spend the toughest years of America as president with extraordinary leadership

I used to hate Bush during high school but I just realized that most American teens nowadays are emo and pro-European left-wing commies who's responsible for spreading anti-Bush propaganda.

[SrB-23Q]

I think he was ok.

Goodbye Texas Rose.

Post 666

you evil person p-)

[SkyUS]

Bush is comparable with FDR, didn't have the best policies but was unfortunate enough to spend the toughest years of America as president with extraordinary leadership

I used to hate Bush during high school but I just realized that most American teens nowadays are emo and pro-European left-wing commies who's responsible for spreading anti-Bush propaganda.

I hope you are not serious.

[LineDoggie]

What's wrong with it is that it's not about harboring terrorists, but about toeing a defined line. Because if we toe a defined line we might actually have to respond, and thats not acceptable, right? much better to send a note of displeasure :roll:

[Military-G]

Gonna have to rely on Berlusconi to entertain us with "foot in mouth" syndrome now.

Later bush

:)

[LineDoggie]

That is pure spectulation.

I have a rock that keeps away Tigers.
Some laugh.... but we've never seen a tiger.


Duh

Actually attacks have been twarted

Fort Dix Conspirators are tangible evidence of that. And there are other incidents you've never heard of, and likely never will. Thats not bluster by the way. Not every thing gets it own Geraldo Rivera special or on 60 minutes.

[LebaneseMeghwar]

The world is a better place without you....

[Bia]

Actually attacks have been twarted

Fort Dix Conspirators are tangible evidence of that. And there are other incidents you've never heard of, and likely never will. Thats not bluster by the way. Not every thing gets it own Geraldo Rivera special or on 60 minutes.Again moot point.
Attacks were stopped before bush.... during bush and will be stopped after Bush.

He said "another 911" which is pure speculation.

In his same logic I can claim I stopped a giant apocolyptic meteor from hitting earth with prayer, we didnt get hit so it must be true.

Not arguing intelligence works... just arguing saying bush is great he stopped 9-11 part two is absurd.

[neophyte77]

I'm glad hes gone, and no, I'm NOT a left wing commie. Bush is just a shame for the right-wing

[Mordecai]

That is pure speculation...

From the safety of your living room its speculation; where the rubber meets the road its reality.
_____________

Thank you Mr President for sticking by your values, regardless of popularity. Thank you for drawing a line in the sand and walking it.

[helomech]

The world is a better place without you....

No my friend,the world is a better place because of him,and I'm glad he made the decisions he did

You sound like a some of the self appointed liberal elite on this thread and on this forum who so easily bash Bush for all thats' wrong in the world;he did things for the safety and security of the US first,regardless of what his party and the world thought;have you made decisions based on what everyone else thought or did you do things because YOU wanted to for your own good?

We could argue this point all day long,and there will be those for and against Bush,so there is just no appeasing everyone on this subject

[Gunge]

No my friend,the world is a better place because of him,and I'm glad he made the decisions he did

You sound like a some of the self appointed liberal elite on this thread and on this forum who so easily bash Bush for all thats' wrong in the world;he did things for the safety and security of the US first,regardless of what his party and the world thought;have you made decisions based on what everyone else thought or did you do things because YOU wanted to for your own good?

We could argue this point all day long,and there will be those for and against Bush,so there is just no appeasing everyone on this subject

spot on
id vote for him tomorrow if his opponent was gore, kerrey or obama

[ThatHistoryDude]

I am going to miss him. On balance I think he was ok not conservative enough for me domestically but did alright internationally.

I would still have voted for him for a third term if I could have over either of the other two major party candidates. :|

[LineDoggie]

I would NEVER vote for anyone more than twice, Especially a President. This isnt Haiti, or Uganada

[Basillicus]

He did more harm to his country than any terrorist could ever have done, hopefully Obama will do better.

[LineDoggie]

He did more harm to his country than any terrorist could ever have done, hopefully Obama will do better.

I find it hysterical that someone who doesnt live here is going to lecture about how bad the situation here is or isnt. And I suppose you think Obama will ride to the inaugeration on a unicorn wave his magic wand, and presto all will be well with the world.

Keep holding onto that rainbow

[Bia]

From the safety of your living room its speculation; where the rubber meets the road its reality.
Cliches dont make reality... but a good try.

There's no way to accurately say/prove Bush stopped 9-11 part II

Facts > speculation

[Bringer of Greater Things]

This thread is silly. Everyone knows that Bush and Cheney won't leave office any time soon.
President for life, FTW.

[Basillicus]

I find it hysterical that someone who doesnt live here is going to lecture about how bad the situation here is or isnt. And I suppose you think Obama will ride to the inaugeration on a unicorn wave his magic wand, and presto all will be well with the world.

Well, let's sum up just a few for starters:
- started a war that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of human lives and accomplished turning a secular dictatorship and police state into a war zone that will provide generations of islamic terrorists to the forseeable future
- deprived civil libertied from his own people
- economy in ruins, he isn't entirely responsible of course but happend to run the country for 8 years when it happened
- completely wrecked the image of USA around the world

I'm not saying Obama will make everything right, but it seems that he really has to try hard to do worse.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Heh heh, I love the fact that no matter how much the hysterical anti-Bush people waved their arms and wept, he went right on doing exactly what he said he'd do. And the only thing they got for their trouble - after all the accusations of trampling the constitution, abolishing the separation of powers, destroying American's right to privacy, waging an illegal war based on lies, dreams of impeachment, fantasies of Cheney and Rove being led out of the White House in chains, and promises of ending the war King George declared by fiat...was some schmuck named "Scooter" going to jail for 30 months for perjury. Well, in truth they also got a new crop of Democrats who lied their way into office by promising an end to the war who then didn't, and Obama, who promised change and then rehired the team that primed the pump for 9/11. So yeah, the next 4 years ought to be ever so much better.

[Mordecai]

Cliches dont make reality...

Neither does making comments on topics you havent a clue about...


There's no way to accurately say/prove Bush stopped 9-11 part II...

The fact is that you just arent in a position where you have a "need" to know and because of this you are left speculating about it just as the guy you were originally responding to.

Suffice to say, some of us dont have to speculate.

[California Joe]

I'll miss "Noo Cue Ler". It's so "I went to Yale, I'm in Skull and Bones, I got smarts real good, not like people say".

Put it this way, how much of a walking clusterf*ck do you have to be, to make the country react by electing a black dude from Chicago with a Muslim name that can't bowl, has a crazy preacher, a weatherman pal, some dodgy friends and promises "change".

The only thing that could make it worse is if your own party followed you by picking Grandpa Munster and Ellie Mae Clampett with a bad attitude and an expense account as candidates.

[annihilation]

Heh heh, I love the fact that no matter how much the hysterical anti-Bush people waved their arms and wept, he went right on doing exactly what he said he'd do. And the only thing they got for their trouble - after all the accusations of trampling the constitution, abolishing the separation of powers, destroying American's right to privacy, waging an illegal war based on lies, dreams of impeachment, fantasies of Cheney and Rove being led out of the White House in chains, and promises of ending the war King George declared by fiat...was some schmuck named "Scooter" going to jail for 30 months for perjury. Well, in truth they also got a new crop of Democrats who lied their way into office by promising an end to the war who then didn't, and Obama, who promised change and then rehired the team that primed the pump for 9/11. So yeah, the next 4 years ought to be ever so much better.

Can't get any worse than the last 8 years.


Good bye to Bush. I feel sorry for him as things could have been different for the better.

[Gat0r]

Heh heh, I love the fact that no matter how much the hysterical anti-Bush people waved their arms and wept, he went right on doing exactly what he said he'd do. And the only thing they got for their trouble - after all the accusations of trampling the constitution, abolishing the separation of powers, destroying American's right to privacy, waging an illegal war based on lies, dreams of impeachment, fantasies of Cheney and Rove being led out of the White House in chains, and promises of ending the war King George declared by fiat...was some schmuck named "Scooter" going to jail for 30 months for perjury. Well, in truth they also got a new crop of Democrats who lied their way into office by promising an end to the war who then didn't, and Obama, who promised change and then rehired the team that primed the pump for 9/11. So yeah, the next 4 years ought to be ever so much better.

People should've figured out by now that there really isn't a major difference between so called republicans and democrats, it's a shared dictatorship up there in D.C. They both lie and manipulate for their own good and realize that as long as the American people believe in a two party system an US VS THEM mentality it doesnt matter which one is in power.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Heh heh, I love the fact that no matter how much the hysterical anti-Bush people waved their arms and wept, he went right on doing exactly what he said he'd do. And the only thing they got for their trouble - after all the accusations of trampling the constitution, abolishing the separation of powers, destroying American's right to privacy, waging an illegal war based on lies, dreams of impeachment, fantasies of Cheney and Rove being led out of the White House in chains, and promises of ending the war King George declared by fiat...was some schmuck named "Scooter" going to jail for 30 months for perjury. Well, in truth they also got a new crop of Democrats who lied their way into office by promising an end to the war who then didn't, and Obama, who promised change and then rehired the team that primed the pump for 9/11. So yeah, the next 4 years ought to be ever so much better.
Oh snap! Well said...


Can't get any worse than the last 8 years.


Good bye to Bush. I feel sorry for him as things could have been different for the better.
Hell yes, you ain't seen nuttin yet.


People should've figured out by now that there really isn't a major difference between so called republicans and democrats, it's a shared dictatorship up there in D.C. They both lie and manipulate for their own good and realize that as long as the American people believe in a two party system an US VS THEM mentality it doesnt matter which one is in power.
Outta the ballpark! Nice

[budgie]

The only thing that could make it worse is if your own party followed you by picking Grandpa Munster and Ellie Mae Clampett with a bad attitude and an expense account as candidates.


They did, didn't they?

[Help I'm stuck!]

If anyone has a chance of going back in time to fix something it should be him for all the things he messed up on or not respond to.

[Will Clark]

Sorry can't help it. Good riddance. Out with the old, in with the new. He was incompetent from the start and from the world at large, Mr Bush, you will not be missed.

"The biggest disappointment in the political process, that's been this kind of bitterness by a few people to the point where they don't want to have a logical discussion or a civil discussion about policy," he said. "They just want to tear you down."

I'm pretty sure he was talking about you.

[Jobu]

He did ok.

Not great, not horrible.

Bad:

Failed to fix Fannie/Freddie
Failed to reform immigration
Failed to fix social security
Browny was a dumb pick for FEMA
etc.

Good:

Alito and Roberts appointments
Took the war to Al Qaeda rather than try to play defense only
extended federal pensions to gay couples
found a compromise on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research
did not renew the stupid gun ban
The government in Baghdad is now an ally rather than an enemy
Ditto the government in Kabul
etc.


It's a mixed bag.

[California Joe]

Goodbye Crawford's Rose....

[Bia]

"The biggest disappointment in the political process, that's been this kind of bitterness by a few people to the point where they don't want to have a logical discussion or a civil discussion about policy," he said. "They just want to tear you down."

Yeah GW mentioning having a logical discussion is like Paris Hilton mentioning energy heat transfer loss differentials in various pulley wheel applications.

I L0Led hard when I read that the other day.

[Anthony91]

Goodbye President Bush, regardless of quite a few major mistakes, you have put in measures that kept us safe for the past eight years and the years to come, and I respect the hell out of that. Thank you, and best of luck to you and the First Lady in the future.

[Dragonscript]

Good bye President Bush. Voted for you twice and don't regret it, and i would do it again. You may not have been the best man for the job but you were much better than the alternatives.

[Will Clark]

Yeah GW mentioning having a logical discussion is like Paris Hilton mentioning energy heat transfer loss differentials in various pulley wheel applications.

I L0Led hard when I read that the other day.

Why? If the anti-bush crowd actually sat down and looked at the facts from a logical/neutral standpoint they'd probably realize that they give bush more **** than he deserves. I disagree with many of his policies, and I hate it when people rabidly tear into him over ridiculous stuff and make me look like the world's biggest bush supporter.

[Geezah]

I did not believe in all his policy choices, but I think he did a good job, and if he ever makes it back to Ohio, I will go see him again.

Best of luck.........

[helomech]

Originally Posted by budgie http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3832620#post3832620)
Sorry can't help it. Good riddance. Out with the old, in with the new. He was incompetent from the start and from the world at large, Mr Bush, you will not be missed.


"The biggest disappointment in the political process, that's been this kind of bitterness by a few people to the point where they don't want to have a logical discussion or a civil discussion about policy," he said. "They just want to tear you down."

I'm pretty sure he was talking about you.

roflroflrofl
Niiice............

[b.scheller]

Apart from the few people in this forum, well, you know, military photos, being quite a haven for more conservative folk. I doubt the rest of America or the majority of the world will miss Bush.

Certainly, the worst thing to come out of America, in terms of political players after Nixon, Kissinger (who to be fair, wasn't even a natural citizen) and Reagan.

[helomech]

Apart from the few people in this forum, well, you know, military photos, being quite a haven for more conservative folk. I doubt the rest of America or the majority of the world will miss Bush.

Certainly, the worst thing to come out of America, in terms of political players after Nixon, Kissinger (who to be fair, wasn't even a natural citizen) and Reagan.

What was wrong with Ronald Reagan?All the liberal elite baby boomers who made a sh1tload of money during the 80's don't complain about their financial gains but for some reason call Reagan evil and the 80s' decadent;

Fvcking hypocrites :roll:

[b.scheller]

Apart from my age, and the fact that my parents emigrated to Canada, I don't think you'll find me, nor most of Eastern Europe, all that glossy eyed when referring to Reagan, who while claimed to have been one of the many characters who helped bring down the "Soviet Union", also helped to put a lot of people, mainly forty odd million Poles, in economic hardship through his 'wise' economic sanctions.

[helomech]

Apart from my age, and the fact that my parents emigrated to Canada, I don't think you'll find me, nor most of Eastern Europe, all that glossy eyed when referring to Reagan, who while claimed to have been one of the many characters who helped bring down the "Soviet Union", also helped to put a lot of people, mainly forty odd million Poles, in economic hardship through his 'wise' economic sanctions.

Well,you are young when it comes to the Reagan Era;you can't blame the entire hardship of Polands' economic meltdown soley on Reagan,the IMF and the World Bank had a lot to do with it as well

[KVLG]

Well you handled White House scandals by simply riding them out and waiting for the next scandal.


IMO, sounds really no different from the Clinton Adminstration.



You let Cheney loose on the American and Iraqi people,


Well, Clinton let Janet Reno loose on the American people. :)



you gave Ultra-right wing gangsters and terrorists their own state,


If you're referring to Kosovo, I agree that recognizing it wasn't a very good idea. But it was Clinton who basically detached Kosovo from Serbia. Maybe Bush felt that he had no choice.



you conquered Iraq and almost conquered Afghanistan.


IMO, a step up for both countries. For example, no one is stoning gays to death in Afghanistan, or shoving dissidents into shredders in Iraq.

[b.scheller]

Well,you are young when it comes to the Reagan Era;you can't blame the entire hardship of Polands' economic meltdown soley on Reagan,the IMF and the World Bank had a lot to do with it as well

Of course, but the sanctions that Reagan placed on the country after Martial Law, only created further problems. Helping to create the mass exodus of millions of Poles. Alas, in the end, the supposed tactics which brought an end to the communist regime, only really hurt the people. While the IMF and the World Bank may have been central players, Reagan personified his vile anti-communist stance at the cost of life; whether in Eastern Europe or in Central America.

[ronnieraygun]

Of course, but the sanctions that Reagan placed on the country after Martial Law, only created further problems. Helping to create the mass exodus of millions of Poles. Alas, in the end, the supposed tactics which brought an end to the communist regime, only really hurt the people. While the IMF and the World Bank may have been central players, Reagan personified his vile anti-communist stance at the cost of life; whether in Eastern Europe or in Central America.

Interesting perspective. Some Poles who settled in Chicago might disagree. Time magazine (US) even ran a really glossy spread back in 91 about how Reagan conspired with John Paul II and the Catholic church in Poland at that time to undermine Jaruzelski - right or wrong, you can see how the perspective in the US would be that Reagan should have been thought of as insta-savior for Poland and the Eastern Bloc as a whole.



On topic, I will not miss Bush at all. However, his absence will not make one bit of difference in the world, despite what many think.

[Atlantic Friend]

Certainly, the worst thing to come out of America, in terms of political players after Nixon, Kissinger (who to be fair, wasn't even a natural citizen) and Reagan.

Reagan had personal charm at a level that has escaped American Presidents since, and he also had a much more multilateral approach, IMHO. He built relationships with NATO allies upon trust and personal contacts, while his successors desired something closer to subservience.

Nixon was a very interesting character, and a very interesting president. If he hadn't had this fascination for dirty tricks in domestic affairs, I think he would have been greeted as one of the great ones for his accomplishments in Foreign Affairs.

[helomech]

Of course, but the sanctions that Reagan placed on the country after Martial Law, only created further problems. Helping to create the mass exodus of millions of Poles. Alas, in the end, the supposed tactics which brought an end to the communist regime, only really hurt the people. While the IMF and the World Bank may have been central players, Reagan personified his vile anti-communist stance at the cost of life; whether in Eastern Europe or in Central America.

Vile anti-communist stance?Why don't you tell me what GOOD communism has brought to the world?And Reagan wasn' the only person in the world or the only world leader who was anti-communist;it sucks that your parents had to bear the brunt of the changing world of politics and economics but I disagree with your opinion that it's mostly Reagans fault-there were too many other factors that came into play during that era

But this the Bush Farewell Thread-
So long to the Great Republic of Texas' Son-G.W.Bush

Viva Bush!

[Fiber]

Why don't you tell me what GOOD communism has brought to the world?

The world's largest economy...China - duh! (Give it a few years)

Before someone tears me a new one, I'm no commie. I'm a liberal - in the true sense of the word not the twisted FOX-news meaning. Now, let the tearing begin.

Bush did his Best_. Before you bash him, try lead a country who would rather watch "Survivor" than Al Jazeera.

[helomech]

The world's largest economy...China - duh! (Give it a few years)

Before someone tears me a new one, I'm no commie. I'm a liberal - in the true sense of the word not the twisted FOX-news meaning.

Go choke yourself,now

[b.scheller]

I'm not discussing the merits of Soviet style Centrally Planned Economy or the Soviet style of authoritarian socialism.

The system within itself, had been built upon idealistic notions and by 1980, the economy had tanked, like much of the rest of the Soviet Bloc. However, although credit borrowing had been high; shortages had been already extreme prior to the Martial Law being declared, due to the export of food stuffs to the Soviet Union and any other country which was willing to help pave the way towards debt repayment. An imposition of economic sanctions upon Poland as decided by Reagan did not help the least.

While Reagan cannot be blamed for the pre-existing situation in the People's Republic of Poland, the boycott and sanctions only hurt the country furthermore.

As for Polish emigrants, I think what must be understood is the general neo-conservatism that is shared especially by those of the 1980 diaspora. To the point, that they are willing to overlook all the damage and hurt committed by all parties during the Second World War, to Polish sovereignty, as long as the Soviet Union is demonized. While, it is understandable that the Soviet Union would not be regarded highly amongst any Poles, the sheer avoidance and near-denial of the Western Betrayal is an important factor in the political convictions of many Polish-Americans and Polish-Canadians. A matter of historical revisionism, amongst the 'Polonia' which is generally not taught within Polish youth organizations that teach about the history of their homeland.

[Serjey]

G.W.Bush had some charm.
But his actions and actions of his team brought nothing good to the world. I doubt that any country would like to say "Thank You" to Bush..even his allies.

[savushka]

Well, it happened.


Now the question is, what mattered to me the most, as to a dweller of my country? That's right, the foreign policy. And I'm must say, that the actions of your administration in my region... well, they probably pissed me off. Starting with 2004, that is, when our "orange revolution" took place, to which US showed unprecedented support, and which brought in it's turn 4 years of political and economical chaos. And straight up to the events of 2008, the support of Saakashvili, absolutely ridiculous speeches of ms. Condolisa during that war... I don't even want to get started on the matter. And not that I think that it's going to change in any manner with Obama :-P US today is an empire, and has far-stretching interests all over the globe, for better or for worse. And I don't expect too see "humanism" in these actions, I'm not that naive. The fact is, that in this globalized world, if US f*cks up, then most of the world are f*cked up along too. So yeah, good luck to the new administration. We can only hope that the upcoming decade will be a more-or-less peaceful one. :|

[somrandom]

Good riddance.

Hopefully the Obama administration have something better up their sleeve.

[Bia]

Just watched yesterdays farewell speech...


King George, "misunderestimate me"


Classic dolt :P

[KVLG]

The world's largest economy...China - duh! (Give it a few years)

Before someone tears me a new one, I'm no commie. I'm a liberal - in the true sense of the word not the twisted FOX-news meaning. Now, let the tearing begin.


The only reason why China is "the world's largest economy" is because they basically adopted aspects of capitalism. And I believe I've heard that China's economy may have some problems of it's own.

[szr]

^ Main problem being that it isn't actually the world's largest economy. ;)

It's nestled between Germany and the UK, the world's 3rd and 5th largest economies.

[Kilgor]

Well I used to stand for something
But forgot what that could be
There's a lot of me inside you
Maybe you're afraid to see

Well I used to stand for something
Now I'm on my hands and knees
Traded in my God for this one
He signs his name with a Capital G

[Frutzel]

Thank you for making the world a more dangerous place than before.

[BMUS]

Good bye mr. President, I sure as hell wont miss your policies, but I am gonna miss you as a person - you seem like a cool guy.



^ Main problem being that it isn't actually the world's largest economy. ;)

It's nestled between Germany and the UK, the world's 3rd and 5th largest economies.
Actually, China passed Germany for a day ago:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/4242911/China-overtakes-Germany-to-become-worlds-third-largest-economy.html

[sinophile]

Its a worldwide competition for resources, wealth and power. Opt out or take the short view and you become a failed state or someone's bitch. Play rough (but not too rough) and you can be an industrialized nation. But the competition never ends, the great game continues. Thanks G.B... you fought for America in more than one bare knuckles brawl and we're still standing. Screw the liberals who want to lie down and die.

[paulhewsoon]

He could have been a good president, the one who decide to end terrorrism, the one who brought a new era of understanding in the West against a new common enemy, but...

He had to listen Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. and had to invade a country that had no WMD, nor supported AQ terrorist (even Osama hated Saddam, he considered the man a renegade) and wasn´t even a problem (poor after 12 years of embargo, with no Air Force and little defense) since then ALL: War on terror, America´s image and leadership, free market and capitalism, President respect, all fºººed up, ALL. A Shame he made WRONG decisions that have change history forever (and for bad maybe).

[KVLG]

He could have been a good president, the one who decide to end terrorrism, the one who brought a new era of understanding in the West against a new common enemy, but...

He had to listen Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. and had to invade a country that had no WMD, nor supported AQ terrorist (even Osama hated Saddam, he considered the man a renegade) and wasn´t even a problem (poor after 12 years of embargo, with no Air Force and little defense) since then ALL: War on terror, America´s image and leadership, free market and capitalism, President respect, all fºººed up, ALL. A Shame he made WRONG decisions that have change history forever (and for bad maybe).

with regard to the "no WMD", some have speculated that they may have been moved out of the country before the war began. Also, Iraq isn't small-it's about the size of California. How had would you say it was to take a trailer filled with chemical and biological goodies and bury it deep in the middel of a desert? Also, WMDs weren't the only reason we invaded. Saddam's regime sheltered Zarqawi, who was Al-Qaeda. There were mid level contacts between the two. As for bin Laden's opinions of Saddam, ever hear of two different parties basically entering a marriage of convenince against a common enemy? Also, there were chemical and biological weapons such as warheads found.

[Macs.]

the one who decide to end terrorrism,

Trying to "end terrorism" is like trying to end handshakes as a form to greet each other.

You can't. No one can. The "War on Terror" is a never ending story.

[Bia]

How had would you say it was to take a trailer filled with chemical and biological goodies and bury it deep in the middel of a desert? Sure we can assume things all day.

Damage control 101

[Geezah]

He could have been a good president, the one who decide to end terrorrism, the one who brought a new era of understanding in the West against a new common enemy, but...

He had to listen Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. and had to invade a country that had no WMD, nor supported AQ terrorist (even Osama hated Saddam, he considered the man a renegade) and wasn´t even a problem (poor after 12 years of embargo, with no Air Force and little defense) since then ALL: War on terror, America´s image and leadership, free market and capitalism, President respect, all fºººed up, ALL. A Shame he made WRONG decisions that have change history forever (and for bad maybe).


Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq

Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada


The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.

"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

Secret mission

The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and military initiatives — kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the convoys were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad, then on 37 military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia and finally aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for a 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.

And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam's weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.

Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger — and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims — led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration.

Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have guarded the 23,000-acre site — surrounded by huge sand berms — following a wave of looting after Saddam's fall that included villagers toting away yellowcake storage barrels for use as drinking water cisterns.

Yellowcake is obtained by using various solutions to leach out uranium from raw ore and can have a corn meal-like color and consistency. It poses no severe risk if stored and sealed properly. But exposure carries well-documented health concerns associated with heavy metals such as damage to internal organs, experts say.

"The big problem comes with any inhalation of any of the yellowcake dust," said Doug Brugge, a professor of public health issues at the Tufts University School of Medicine.

Hurdles ahead of hauling yellowcake

Diplomats and military leaders first weighed the idea of shipping the yellowcake overland to Kuwait's port on the Persian Gulf. Such a route, however, would pass through Iraq's Shiite heartland and within easy range of extremist factions, including some that Washington claims are aided by Iran. The ship also would need to clear the narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf, where U.S. and Iranian ships often come in close contact.

Kuwaiti authorities, too, were reluctant to open their borders to the shipment despite top-level lobbying from Washington.

An alternative plan took shape: shipping out the yellowcake on cargo planes.

But the yellowcake still needed a final destination. Iraqi government officials sought buyers on the commercial market, where uranium prices spiked at about $120 per pound last year. It's currently selling for about half that. The Cameco deal was reached earlier this year, the official said.

At that point, U.S.-led crews began removing the yellowcake from the Saddam-era containers — some leaking or weakened by corrosion — and reloading the material into about 3,500 secure barrels.

In April, truck convoys started moving the yellowcake from Tuwaitha to Baghdad's international airport, the official said. Then, for two weeks in May, it was ferried in 37 flights to Diego Garcia, a speck of British territory in the Indian Ocean where the U.S. military maintains a base.

On June 3, an American ship left the island for Montreal, said the official, who declined to give further details about the operation.

The yellowcake wasn't the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha.

Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex. The lead-enclosed irradiation units, used to decontaminate food and other items, contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon, according to the official. Their Ottawa-based manufacturer, MDS Nordion, took them back for free, the official said.

Saddam's stockpile

The yellowcake was the last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts, but years of final cleanup is ahead for Tuwaitha and other smaller sites.

The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency plans to offer technical expertise.

Last month, a team of Iraqi nuclear experts completed training in the Ukrainian ghost town of Pripyat, which once housed the Chernobyl workers before the deadly meltdown in 1986, said an IAEA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decontamination plan has not yet been publicly announced.

But the job ahead is enormous, complicated by digging out radioactive "hot zones" entombed in concrete during Saddam's rule, said the IAEA official. Last year, an IAEA safety expert, Dennis Reisenweaver, predicted the cleanup could take "many years."

The yellowcake issue also is one of the many troubling footnotes of the war for Washington.

A CIA officer, Valerie Plame, claimed her identity was leaked to journalists to retaliate against her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who wrote that he had found no evidence to support assertions that Iraq tried to buy additional yellowcake from Niger.

A federal investigation led to the conviction of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President **** Cheney's chief of staff, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/page/2/)

Kurds in Halabja had gas used on them by Saddam.....

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Chemical weapons were there........

[paulhewsoon]

Trying to "end terrorism" is like trying to end handshakes as a form to greet each other.

You can't. No one can. The "War on Terror" is a never ending story.


So this War is lost...

[Basillicus]

So this War is lost...

There is no "war" to begin with, GWOT is just a propaganda tool to justify large scale use of conventional military forces against foreign nations and give people a false feeling that something useful is accomplished. In reality terrorists are not Nazis that could be brought down by sending hundreds of thousands of soldiers somewhere to fight a war. You fight them by eliminating individual groups as intelligence agencies find them and on a long term by removing causes for terrorism.

[DetailedEntrails]

Honestly I like the man, he helped get this country through some tough times. I wish he could stay in longer, I want to keep my guns.

Get us through some tough times? Ok yea on the terrorism front but my quality of life noticebly fell to new lows during his tenure. Alot of people can say that. I admire his sticking to his guns but loathe his not wanting to admit hes wrong. The only things he fesses up to are the things to damn obvious not to cop to.

[non]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Heh heh, I love the fact that no matter how much the hysterical anti-Bush people waved their arms and wept, he went right on doing exactly what he said he'd do.
Actually, he failed at everything he said he would do.
Name one goal he set out for his own admin. that was accomplished, but, yeah, I agree he stuck to his guns and shot us all in the foot.

(...and what does "leftist", "liberal", "socialist", even mean anymore? I don't think many people on this thread know either. Considering, Bush passed Medicare drug benefit during his first term --the biggest expansion of socialism in 30 years...not to mention the bail out in the late second.)


Originally Posted by KVLG
How had would you say it was to take a trailer filled with chemical and biological goodies and bury it deep in the middel of a desert?
How hard would you say it would be to plan for that if WMD are duh cahza sooey of the invasion you put into motion?
'No WMD? Oh, it's just occurred to me that they might have been surreptitiously smuggled via goats, etc. Yeah, that's why.'

[KVLG]

Trying to "end terrorism" is like trying to end handshakes as a form to greet each other.

You can't. No one can. The "War on Terror" is a never ending story.

Maybe so, but just taking out Al-Qaeda, the group responsible for the September 11 attacks will be good enough, and in fact is what I think that the WoT's real purpose is.

[LineDoggie]

Get us through some tough times? Ok yea on the terrorism front but my quality of life noticebly fell to new lows during his tenure. Alot of people can say that.

Sorry to hear that, Mine went up considerably during that timeframe. I doubled my Civvie salary, before taking leave to go on extended Active Duty.

[The Dane]

Bush phones world leaders

WASHINGTON (AFP) - - On the eve of leaving office, US President George W. Bush spoke Monday to leaders of Denmark, Georgia, Italy, Russia, and South Korea to say he enjoyed working with them, the White House said.

Bush "expressed his gratitude for the kind hospitality all these leaders showed him and Mrs Bush over the years and told them how much he enjoyed working with them during his two terms," said spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

The US leader spoke to Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Georgia President Mikheil Saakashvili, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak, Johndroe said in a statement.

"In all the calls, the leaders thanked President Bush for his work and for the spirit of cooperation and friendship developed in the last eight years," said the spokesman.
Johndroe said Bush, who hands successor Barack Obama the keys to the White House on Tuesday, was to speak to more world leaders throughout the day.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090119/twl-us-politics-transition-bush-7e07afd.html

[Atlantic Friend]

ItThanks G.B... you fought for America in more than one bare knuckles brawl and we're still standing.

He did ? And to think I missed the video on Youtube ! ;)

As with most Presidents, George Walker Bush walked that mile-wide line that is actually quite hard to stray away from, and where you end up being neither worth of the highest praise sung to you, nor of the lowest abuse slung at you.

As for America not standing...there never ever was a danger of that not happening. What you suffered was a terror attack, a most heinous and spectacular terror attack but it never had the ability to bring the US down.

[LazerLordz]

I may have disagreed with many of his decisions, and how they were implemented..

But, I must say, that in the context of US-Singaporean relations, his Adminstration has done a fair bit for us the past 8 years.

Best wishes in whatever he decides to do next.

[davey]

There is no "war" to begin with, GWOT is just a propaganda tool to justify large scale use of conventional military forces against foreign nations and give people a false feeling that something useful is accomplished.

True. GWOT was abused in the same manner as the Cold War was sometimes abused for various goals.

Funny, I heard a warning to that effect in 1988 already, when I spoke to a geopolitical analyst with connections to the intelligence community. His words were: "The Cold War will be phased out in favour of the Global War on Terror." Pretexts are as old as humankind. The British used the "White Man's Burden" idea to justify colonizing much of the world.

Of course terror is real, I'm not denying it. But abusing it for individual countries' and big corporations' geopolitical or economic objectives is unnecessarily divisive. The world needs a united and coordinated effort against it.

Bush severely tarnished the image of the USA. The Washington political and security establishment took a huge image hit. The damage will take years to repair.

[jokuvaan]

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"The plane is yours"

[OUTLAW-ONE]

Fairwell Mr.President. God Bless you and your family. I have your back!

[DetailedEntrails]

/http://www.youtube.com/v/RBCPuFnhlMc



From today.





/http://www.youtube.com/v/-hhMn3WINx8&NR=1

First video i dont mind and i agree with it for the most part but the second video just pissed me off. The CNN guy doesnt have to editorialize on this ****. Yea, we can see hes not to popular with anyone. This guy went out of his way to take shots at Bush.

[eskachig]

Its a worldwide competition for resources, wealth and power. Opt out or take the short view and you become a failed state or someone's bitch. Play rough (but not too rough) and you can be an industrialized nation. But the competition never ends, the great game continues. Thanks G.B... you fought for America in more than one bare knuckles brawl and we're still standing. Screw the liberals who want to lie down and die.Hahaha yes the people who thought Bush was a bad president want everyone to lie down and die.

I thought he was simple-minded and reactionary - I would prefer cold pragmatism.

[LineDoggie]

First video i dont mind and i agree with it for the most part but the second video just pissed me off. The CNN guy doesnt have to editorialize on this ****. Yea, we can see hes not to popular with anyone. This guy went out of his way to take shots at Bush.,Sigh> you do realize the second video was dicredited by Jeanne Moos of CNN right afterwards?

Rick Sanchez is a **** with no clue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu9qy73BgA0

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

See ya, Georgie. How about starting your own comedy show? I always laughed at your speeches.

[Stainless Steel Rat]

No president is ever judged by history until at least 30 years has passed...and all Presidents have done things that will be remembered fondly and debated bitterly by future generations. (for Example, Lincoln is rightfully considered one of our greatest presidents--but he also jailed American citizens without cause and denied habeus corpus right to them in clear violation of the Constitution)

My biggest problem with Bush the Younger is that, given the defining tragedy of this time in American History, a time that cried out for leadership, for unity, for taking us somewhere...he pretty much let others do the leading, played partianship for all it was worth, and asked nothing of us while spending our future in Wars and Free Trade that was nothing close to free.

Katrina and the Financial Crisis were simply additional steps along the road. He was/is probably a good man, but he simply had no ability to lead, or even know in his head/heart where to lead.

FDR may have come up with poorly designed programs that didn't solve the Depression, as some here have alluded; but he knew how to lead and how to make people feel that he cared and would lead them to something better--and they elected him 4 times. Reagan, although I have major philosophical and political differences with him, knew where he wanted the USA to go and do and he led us there with firm faith and folksy humor.

George W. Bush never showed me that; he had a chance after 9-11 and in my opinion, blew it.

McCain would have known how to lead as would have Hiliary. I think Obama can, he sounds like it, but the crucible of time will tell, as it did with Bush.

We shall see.

Press on.