Petrol bombs hit French synagogue

[jaybe]

Two petrol bombs have been thrown at a synagogue north of Paris, police have said, days after another French synagogue was attacked.
Police in the Seine-Saint-Denis region said no injuries were caused, but a restaurant next door to the synagogue was damaged.
Interior Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said the attack was "intolerable".
The incident came amid tensions in France over the violence between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, now in its 17th day.
Ms Alliot-Marie vowed to find and punish those who carried out the attack in Saint-Denis on Sunday.
French officials have been keen to stress to Jewish and Muslim community leaders that the unrest in Gaza should not lead to violence in France.
Protests against Israel's military action in Gaza attracted more than 100,000 people in France during the weekend.
In last week's attack, a burning car was rammed into a synagogue in the south-western French city of Toulouse.
The car, packed with a petrol bomb, was set alight and then pushed into the synagogue door by a second car.
No-one was hurt in that attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7824009.stm

[Parisien]

To give some background, Saint Denis is a communist city with a high proportion of africans.

[Jagdtiger]

there won´t be much commotion about this although it is a despicable act
imagine the same thing happening to a mosque.....

[khalsa1699]

there won´t be much commotion about this although it is a despicable act
imagine the same thing happening to a mosque.....

then there would have been massive scale protests like we saw when cartoons were printed!

its a way of saying..."our way or no way"!

[Euroamerican]

there won´t be much commotion about this although it is a despicable act
imagine the same thing happening to a mosque.....

Brings me back to the old observation that you will usually see some "reprisals" described in the local press in the next few days against mosques. However, the reprisals will be just little fires set in bushes outside the buildings with no realy damage being done.

My suspicion is that these are overwhelmingly set by those who are throwing petrol bombs at the synagogues, as a counterpropaganda move to put the guilt back on the victims.

[Evolv5]

This happened in Brussels as well ... only made a small side article in the papers. Didn't hear it being mentioned on TV or Radio.

Now if I did this to a Mosque ... ... ...

Hell would break loose and arrests would be made!

[RoyB]

Look what happened because of a cartoon.. I don't want to know what will happen because of a burned mosque.

[Atlantic Friend]

there won´t be much commotion about this although it is a despicable act
imagine the same thing happening to a mosque.....

It DID happen to a mosque 10 days ago, some retard tried to burn down the doors with gas and set fire to the building. Didn't make much of a commotion either.

[cacho222]

who wins with this act of violence??

it`s just stupid to do something like this!

[solidarnosc]

This happened in Brussels as well ... only made a small side article in the papers. Didn't hear it being mentioned on TV or Radio.

Now if I did this to a Mosque ... ... ...

Hell would break loose and arrests would be made!

It was an item on the news on VRT.

[Zeev]

To give some background, Saint Denis is a communist city with a high proportion of africans.

africans in general are not exactly the source, people from congo or cameroon had nothing to do with that, I'd rather look for ppl from sahel and maghreb.

[Zeev]

there won´t be much commotion about this although it is a despicable act
imagine the same thing happening to a mosque.....

To be fair, a lot of mosques and muslim graves were also burned and vandalized these last years in france, not by angry jews, but by far right militants/skinheads.

I find these acts as disgusting as when it happens to my people, only cowards and fachists attacks graves and religious buildings.

[filochard]

Look what happened because of a cartoon.. I don't want to know what will happen because of a burned mosque.

1) In France there wasn't much trouble because of the cartoons, despite they were more widely published than anywhere,
2) it did happen on Mosque
The French Jews or Muslims overall aren't retards, they aren't going to react like the moron who did that expect. Still that rotten the atmosphere and the police usually deploy all its means to find the culprit as if it was a criminal affair.

[Nansouty]

And, unfortunately, another racist incident happened yesterday in Paris.

http://www.liberation.fr/societe/0101311539-ouverture-d-une-enquete-apres-l-agression-de-trois-lyceens-d-origine-maghrebine

2 French students of muslim descent were attacked yesterday in front of Lycée Jeanson-de-Sailly by 6 or 7 members of the Ligue de Défense Juive (LDJ, Jewish Defense League ) for having refused to accept to take a pamphlet the LDJ were handing there. Another teenager, who is apparently not a student of that high school, was assaulted as well. The three young boys had to be taken to hospital afterwards, one of them at least suffering facial injuries.



Une porte-parole du rectorat explique que «l'un des deux a eu l'arcade sourcilière ouverte. L'autre a eu le nez fracturé». Elle ajoute que «les distributeurs de tracts, qui étaient 5 ou 6, ont tenté de rentrer dans le lycée. Ils ont été repoussés. Le lycée a donc porté plainte pour tentative d’intrusion» alors que les familles ont déposé plainte pour «agression» après les violences dont ont été victimes leurs enfants. «Le recteur rappelle que le respect d’autrui est une valeur fondamentale de l’école républicaine», a ajouté cette porte-parole.


A spokeswoman from te Rectorat (the regional direction of schools ) told that one of the young people had a cut eyebrow, while the other one had a broken nose. She hads that the pamphlet dealers, who were 5 or 6, tried to enter the school. They were repelled. The scool has started a judiciary action for "attempted trespassing" while the families have done the same for assault. The Recteur ( head of the Rectorat) reminds people that respecting other people is a fundamental value of the republican school".

On a side note, Jeanson-de-Sailly high school is in Paris XVIth district, certainly te most upper-class of the capital, and one of the best famed public schools in Paris.

[Nansouty]

and to be complete, morons from the other side. A synagogue has been vandalized in Lille, a painted glass window broken, and swatiskas painted on the walls. Lille's mayor, Mrs Aubry, vowed to see the municipality take judiciary action alongside the jewish religious organisations.

http://www.libelille.fr/saberan/2009/01/la-synagogue-de.html

[Zeev]

And, unfortunately, another racist incident happened yesterday in Paris.

http://www.liberation.fr/societe/0101311539-ouverture-d-une-enquete-apres-l-agression-de-trois-lyceens-d-origine-maghrebine

2 French students of muslim descent were attacked yesterday in front of Lycée Jeanson-de-Sailly by 6 or 7 members of the Ligue de Défense Juive (LDJ, Jewish Defense League ) for having refused to accept to take a pamphlet the LDJ were handing there. Another teenager, who is apparently not a student of that high school, was assaulted as well. The three young boys had to be taken to hospital afterwards, one of them at least suffering facial injuries.



A spokeswoman from te Rectorat (the regional direction of schools ) told that one of the young people had a cut eyebrow, while the other one had a broken nose. She hads that the pamphlet dealers, who were 5 or 6, tried to enter the school. They were repelled. The scool has started a judiciary action for "attempted trespassing" while the families have done the same for assault. The Recteur ( head of the Rectorat) reminds people that respecting other people is a fundamental value of the republican school".

On a side note, Jeanson-de-Sailly high school is in Paris XVIth district, certainly te most upper-class of the capital, and one of the best famed public schools in Paris.

I dont deny the facts, but for one muslim agressed, how many jews are also agressed? 10? 20?

If it was always 50/50 no one could blame the muslim community more than the jewish one for the responsability of these racist violences, but it isn't the case.

Lets not forget that if some Jews became violent now - which is stupid of course - it is also because they had to deal with reccuring agressions from muslim people since 2000, nearly ten years! people had to know and understand that.

[Nansouty]

Well, I won't deny there are more muslim on jews aggressions, but I condemn these just the same. Racism is racism is racism is bulls...
What really angers me is that whenever the ME poo hits the metropolitan French fan full force, a few morons from each side give our country a bad reputation, when actually, the mainstream French population are hardly racists... oh, well, can't be helped I suppose.

[Zeev]

Whats your point? Are you pouring petrol on the fire? "Communists" "africans" what next, "racailles" ?

truth hurts huh?

appellons un chat un chat.

[Parisien]

Whats your point? Are you pouring petrol on the fire? "Communists" "africans" what next, "racailles" ?

You don't like facts?

[Mat_fr]

bull****s hurts, i'd rather say.
Africans = communists = muslims = racailles = terrorists = my balls ?


try to think before posting.

[Parisien]

bull****s hurts, i'd rather say.
Africans = communists = muslims = racailles = terrorists = my balls ?


try to think before posting.

Okay, someone speaks about saint denis in an international forum. The readers do not know anything about this city and you want to give them some context, what are you going to say?


Saint denis is a small city at the north of Paris, saint denis is known for its basilic where are the remains of french kings...

The fact is that Saint Denis has a large african and muslim population, and it is certainly not independant from the fact that this incident occured in this city.

[Parisien]

Look saying that Saint denis has a large muslim population...ok, but the tone in which you say this is like...I don't know, as if you want to stir things, against the population of Saint Denis in which most of them are just innocent people who live their lives.



To give some background, Saint Denis is a communist city with a high proportion of africans.


I don't see how i could have been more neutral respective to my tone. Maybe you could rewrite this sentence for me in order to explain what i should have wrote.

[Zeev]

bull****s hurts, i'd rather say.
Africans = communists = muslims = racailles = terrorists = my balls ?


try to think before posting.


ok so 99% of people that agressed jews are not from muslims/arabic origins, all that are lies, good catholic frenchs also attacks jews...

stay blind.

[Mat_fr]

no, but 99 % of muslims people / arabic origins, don't attack jews.

open your eyes, or be honest

[Nansouty]

The fact is that Saint Denis has a large african and muslim population, and it is certainly not independant from the fact that this incident occured in this city.

Truth is, no one knows. You're just making a guess, as other incidents took place in cities with other kinds of population, unfortunately. As I said a few posts upwards, a few racist morons don't speak for mainstream population, in Saint Denis and elsewhere. The fact that they are of mixed origins or vote for the PC has nothing to see with that despicable action. OTOH, and to make a guess myself, we need to keep a close watch on salafi networks here. They are the main problem.

[Zeev]

no, but 99 % of muslims people / arabic origins, don't attack jews.

open your eyes, or be honest

have I said that?? did you just read me? of course I know that 99% of them have better to do than attacking jews, I'm not stupid.

I said that 99% of the attackers were arabs or other muslims.

did I lie or not??

[Mat_fr]

I'm not a statistician.
your " 99 % " are exaggeration and provocation [To me, at least 50 % of the attackers are far rights / nazis (in France)].
That's why i thought it was useful to remind that 99 % of muslim in France are'nt Hamas lovers who want to attack any Jews they meet.


I know you're not stupid Zeev, but enough debates about this question of muslims in France here on MP.net (Calanen and Co. :cantbeli:) and elsewhere taught me that it's sometimes useful to remind such "banalities", just in case... :|

i've nothing against you, stay calm


mat

[Zeev]

I'm not a statistician.
your " 99 % " are exaggeration and provocation [To me, at least 50 % of the attackers are far rights / nazis (in France)].
That's why i thought it was useful to remind that 99 % of muslim in France are'nt Hamas lovers who want to attack any Jews they meet.


I know you're not stupid Zeev, but enough debates about this question of muslims in France here on MP.net (Calanen and Co. :cantbeli:) and elsewhere taught me that it's sometimes useful to remind such "banalities", just in case... :|

i've nothing against you, stay calm


mat

I've nothing against you too, don't worry,

I just think that you stayed in the 80's about the neo nazis. There's a long time that skinheads and other neo nazis don't play the tough guys in Paris area, exept at the Parc des Princes, I don't see where you can find them in other public areas.. Despite the fact that these people are scum they are not responsable for the agressions on jewish persons since the last 10 years, the only neo nazis recent agressions against jews were paintings on graves in the east of france, but nearly all the other agressions against persons were made by thugs from muslim or arabic origins, I don't think that it is racist to admit that, I mean that it is nothing but the truth, that don't mean that all the other french muslims (as you said more than 99% of them) hate jews and could be violent against the Jewish community, of course not, and thanks g.od!