China Passes Germany to Become Third-Biggest Economy

[Fage]

Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- China’s economy overtook Germany’s in 2007 to become the world’s third largest, underscoring the nation’s increasing economic and political clout.

Gross domestic product expanded 13 percent from a year earlier, more than a previous estimate of 11.9 percent, to 25.731 trillion yuan ($3.38 trillion), the statistics bureau said on its Web site today. That topped Germany’s 2.424 trillion euros ($3.32 trillion), using average exchange rates for 2007.

China’s economy (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=CNGDPYOY%3AIND) is 70 times bigger than when leader Deng Xiaoping (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Deng%0AXiaoping&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) ditched hard-line Communist policies in favor of free- market reforms in 1978. After overtaking the U.K. and France in 2005, China became the third nation to complete a spacewalk, hosted the Olympic Games and surpassed Japan as the biggest buyer of U.S. Treasuries.

“This number is just one more piece of evidence that China is one of the most important players on the global stage,” said Huang Yiping (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Huang+Yiping&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), chief Asia economist at Citigroup Inc. in Hong Kong.

The figure was released as China faces the weakest economic expansion since 1990 after exports collapsed because of the global recession.
German economic growth slumped last year, according to numbers released by the Federal Statistics Office in Frankfurt today. Gross domestic product grew 1.3 percent, down from 2.5 percent in 2007.

Widening Gap

China’s economy may now be as much as 15 percent larger than Germany’s, Louis Kuijs (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Louis+Kuijs&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), a senior economist at the World Bank in Beijing, estimated. He confirmed the calculation that it overtook Germany in 2007.

The U.S. economy is the world’s biggest, followed by Japan’s.

“If China continues to grow at its average rate in the past 20 years and if the U.S. does the same, it will overtake the U.S. in 20 years,” said Tim Condon (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Tim+Condon&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), head of Asia research at ING Groep NV in Singapore. “There’s no doubt that that will happen -- it’s just a matter of time.”

The nation’s enlarged role in the global financial system was highlighted when it cut rates at the same time as the U.S. Federal Reserve and five other central banks in October to counter the deepening credit crisis. In contrast, Japan stood on the sidelines.

Stake in U.S. Economy

China is the biggest contributor to global growth and underpins demand for metals, grains and the exports of its Asian neighbors. It also has a big stake in the U.S. economy, holding $652.9 billion of U.S. Treasuries, according to Treasury Department data.

Since introducing free-market policies, China has lifted 300 million citizens out of poverty, according to the United Nations. Before the latest revisions, the nation’s per-capita gross national income was 132nd in the world at $2,360, behind Angola at 125th and Azerbaijan at 126th and ahead of Tonga at 133rd, according to the World Bank.

“The size of China’s GDP tells us something about how quickly it is getting richer compared to other countries but in terms of per-capita GDP it is still less than 10 percent as rich as Germany is,” said Kuijs.

The nation hosted the Olympic Games in August last year, sent men into space in September and aims to land a man on the moon by 2020.

Asian Financial Crisis

“We have overcome challenges in the past 30 years, from the breakup of the Soviet Union to facing down global sanctions, from the Asian financial crisis to the current global crisis,” President Hu Jintao (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Hu+Jintao&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) said last month. “Our international profile is rising and we will play an increasingly constructive role.”

Global interests spanning African oilfields and South American mines are encouraging China to add to its military might. The nation sent ships to fight pirates off the coast of Somalia last month and will “seriously consider” building aircraft carriers, the Ministry of National Defense said.

“China’s importance goes beyond even the ranking as number three because it’s one of the only resilient economies in the world today,” said Citigroup’s Huang.

Still, growth is sagging.

The economy grew 9 percent in the third quarter of 2008, the least in five years. The fourth-quarter expansion, due to be announced next week, was 6.8 percent, the weakest since 2001, according to the median estimate of 12 economists surveyed (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=CNGDPYOY%3AIND) by Bloomberg News.

The nation’s 4 trillion yuan stimulus package, announced in November, may help to limit the severity of the slowdown.

Last Updated: January 14, 2009 04:32 EST

Source:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aShY0wM1pD_Y&refer=home

[toki]

China’s economy may now be as much as 15 percent larger than Germany’s

I would be bothered if we were the same size.
China has a population 16 times that of Germany.
It's natural that an emerging nation that big overtakes smaller countries.

2007 isn't exactly news btw.

[junglejim]

They will overtake the US in 20 years? Not if the US decides to liberate them first.

[angry cow]

I would be bothered if we were the same size.
China has a population 16 times that of Germany.
It's natural that an emerging nation that big overtakes smaller countries.

2007 isn't exactly news btw.

Agreed, people complain that so much wealth is flowing to or being generated by China and India, but given that is where half of the planet's population lives, I'm ok with that.

[Magnus18]

china much > than germany
i wonder why china hasnt passed ermany earlier :D

[widi243]

Source:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aShY0wM1pD_Y&refer=home


Did any Chinease peaople have a standard of living any single german ?? Deffinitly now?? And won't never happen. So don't be ridiculous.rofl

[angry cow]

Did any Chinease peaople have a standard of living any single german ?? Deffinitly now?? And won't never happen. So don't be ridiculous.rofl

Even if China manages to maintain this level of growth, which is highly unlikely, it would take approximately 100 years for Chinese to reach the same level of income per capita of the US.

[Lazy Lob]

China is more or less in the same nasty position as the US was in 1929. It needs to do a controlled cut back on manufacturing otherwise it may implode. It also needs to increase domestic consumption.

Poverty is rife outside the cities and with no welfare system to speak of there may be tough times ahead.

[Mikhael]

Well if China will have big economy good for them Indians too the only continent what will be a ****hole in 50 yrs will be africa like always.

The problem China has now and its getting bigger is more males than females in 50 yrs China will be capital of buttsex or sexy android manufacturers p-) (probably both)

[Universal_Soldier]

They will overtake the US in 20 years? Not if the US decides to liberate them first.

That is certainly way beyond USA military capability. China is not, in the very least, a candidate for liberation...largest army, nukes, huge population, huge land mass.

[Mikhael]

That is certainly way beyond USA military capability. China is not, in the very least, a candidate for liberation...largest army, nukes, huge population, huge land mass.

U should know that quality of army not the quantity matters ??

About hypothetical nuclear war USA vs China US would have "won" there is no MAD scenario like in cold war Russia VS US. China dont have so much nukes to wage total annihilation.

But about occupation yes it would be REALLY hard if not almost impossilble.

[angry cow]

U should know that quality of army not the quantity matters ??

About hypothetical nuclear war USA vs China US would have "won" there is no MAD scenario like in cold war Russia VS US. China dont have so much nukes to wage total annihilation.

But about occupation yes it would be REALLY hard if not almost impossilble.

China may not have enough annihilate the US, but they certainly have enough to make a positive income from invading mainland China a strategic impossibility. Invading China has never been considered a viable option from the US standpoint anyways. The last General that even suggested invading China got fired, and that was over 50 years ago.

[Mikhael]

China may not have enough annihilate the US, but they certainly have enough to make a positive income from invading mainland China a strategic impossibility. Invading China has never been considered a viable option from the US standpoint anyways. The last General that even suggested invading China got fired, and that was over 50 years ago.

That was "what if scenario ofcourse". Didnt MacArthur wanted to nuke China in the Korean war?? And i read Japan asked US in the 60's that in case of war they want them to nuke China too ...

[delio]

A question more important to virtually all Chinese: Did China also pass the poorest EU nation in GDP per capita? ...want a lower bar did it even surpass Bosnia's GDP per capita?

[Shuimo]

Oh, that is really good news, which is really rare on this forum.

[BearInBunnySuit]

A question more important to virtually all Chinese: Did China also pass the poorest EU nation in GDP per capita? ...want a lower bar did it even surpass Bosnia's GDP per capita?

Last I checked, China's per capita GDP was ranked 100th but China's economic growth is still phenomenal by any measure. I hope the country uses its new wealth to improve basic civil rights and pave the way for democracy to take root.

[Magnus18]

china has also problems with their environement..
if they dont care about it , they will see the consequences very early

[NowPlaying]

China is a lot more vulnerable to nuclear strike than USA or Russia. 80% of Chinese population lives in a relatively narrow strip at the coast of the Pacific ocean. All of their strategic industries are located there as well.

[delio]

Last I checked, China's per capita GDP was ranked 100th but China's economic growth is still phenomenal by any measure. I hope the country uses its new wealth to improve basic civil rights and pave the way for democracy to take root.

I did some quick research to try and answer my own question. The poorest EU country seems to be Bulgaria. You typical Bulgarian is extremely poor. But here's the shocking part: Your typical Chinese is about twice as poor as your typical Bulgarian.

Irregardless of your or my expectations of China's future economic growth, if will take a damn long time to for you typical Chinese to reach the living standards of you typical Romanian (whose living standards are pretty damn bad to start with).

[LineDoggie]

Source:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aShY0wM1pD_Y&refer=home

So your saying that much Like a 16 Year Old Special Education Student, China has finally made it out of Elementary school?

Because Comparing China to Germany population wise, China lagged far behind what was expected of them for too long. Likely the fault of Communist leaders

Another 3 yuan

[Shuimo]

China is a lot more vulnerable to nuclear strike than USA or Russia. 80% of Chinese population lives in a relatively narrow strip at the coast of the Pacific ocean. All of their strategic industries are located there as well.
If there is a nuke war, it will be doomsday for the whole world!
That is unimaginable to any country!

[Ritual]

Rice phage a viable option? p-)

[TheMiddlePath]

US has 12 nuclear aircraft carriers and numeous other smaller amphibian carriers.

Yet cannot take care of a few barefoot pirates from a 4th world country who cant even swim.

Policeman of the world ?

[Felix U. Gómez]

U should know that quality of army not the quantity matters ??

About hypothetical nuclear war USA vs China US would have "won" there is no MAD scenario like in cold war Russia VS US. China dont have so much nukes to wage total annihilation.

But about occupation yes it would be REALLY hard if not almost impossilble.

OK, let's say that the U.S. hits China with 1000 nukes and China hits the U.S. with 20 nukes. China would be destroyed, but could the U.S. survive if it's 20 largest cities were nuked? I don't think so.
That's beside the point that the radiation would probably get all of us anyway. No one wins.

[TheMiddlePath]

So your saying that much Like a 16 Year Old Special Education Student, China has finally made it out of Elementary school?

Because Comparing China to Germany population wise, China lagged far behind what was expected of them for too long. Likely the fault of Communist leaders

Another 3 yuan


How wonderful.... China is not really a threat after all. So from today onwards all those China being a threat reports will stop overnight.

[TheMiddlePath]

Even if China manages to maintain this level of growth, which is highly unlikely, it would take approximately 100 years for Chinese to reach the same level of income per capita of the US.


Now I understand why US is in such a debt. 23 years old and still cant count.

[LineDoggie]

US has 12 nuclear aircraft carriers and numeous other smaller amphibian carriers.

Yet cannot take care of a few barefoot pirates from a 4th world country who cant even swim.

Policeman of the world ?

China has 2,250,000 of Soldiers, 3,369,000 of Paramilitary yet cannot stop Dalai Lama, One Man who does not even carry a Gun

[Henry's Fork]

China has 2,250,000 of Soldiers, 3,369,000 of Paramilitary yet cannot stop Dalai Lama, One Man who does not even carry a Gun

rofl rofl rofl

[ViktorNavorski]

Now I understand why US is in such a debt. 23 years old and still cant count.From this source (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-countries-by-GDP-%28PPP%29-per-capita) for 2006, PRC's GDP-PPP per Capita is $7,722 (IMF), for 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita) is $5,325 (IMF), take into account for errors and what-not, it is still a decreased. This is the future estimates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_per_capita_estimates_%28PPP%29), so, you have the numbers, mind doing the calculations and provide something substantive to the debate beside being smug.

[ASAT]

China has 2,250,000 of Soldiers, 3,369,000 of Paramilitary yet cannot stop Dalai Lama, One Man who does not even carry a Gun

Maybe he was busy in the honeymoon with Mr Laden

[LineDoggie]

Maybe he was busy in the honeymoon with Mr Laden


Your post and this picture have much in common

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/Retard.jpg

[Mikhael]

China has 2,250,000 of Soldiers, 3,369,000 of Paramilitary yet cannot stop Dalai Lama, One Man who does not even carry a Gun

Hahaha Dalai Lama is hard core killer and he has Chuck Noris too so no army can stop him ...

http://www.canetoadwarrior.com/userimages/user1367_1155016215.jpg

[TheMiddlePath]

From this source (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-countries-by-GDP-%28PPP%29-per-capita) for 2006, PRC's GDP-PPP per Capita is $7,722 (IMF), for 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita) is $5,325 (IMF), take into account for errors and what-not, it is still a decreased. This is the future estimates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_per_capita_estimates_%28PPP%29), so, you have the numbers, mind doing the calculations and provide something substantive to the debate beside being smug.


Gosh... yet another who cannot count.

[TheMiddlePath]

China has 2,250,000 of Soldiers, 3,369,000 of Paramilitary yet cannot stop Dalai Lama, One Man who does not even carry a Gun

Strange logic.....Who is running around with a begging bowl .......and who is now running Tibet ?

[LineDoggie]

Strange logic.....Who is running around with a begging bowl .......and who is now running Tibet ?


Is the Bowl made of Melamine?

[LineDoggie]

Gosh... yet another who cannot count.
Gosh, yet another 3 yuan.

[Mikhael]

.......and who is now running Tibet ?


Shape shifting lizard people

http://www.themaskedblogger.com/images/gorn.jpg

[Havoc345]

Strange logic.....Who is running around with a begging bowl .......and who is now running Tibet ?

Hooray for state sponsored religious oppression *clap* *clap* :bash:

[THESPEAR]

They don't want Dalai Lama , they want Tibet and they have it. Nor can the US get bin Laden, and frankly Bin Laden is one man too. and not just the US that's looking for him Europe is too.

[Toolhead]

the so called economic wonder is based on fraud.



counter fitting,no respect for patents, poisoning food product for a higher margin of profit etc...so fudge the Chinese government.

I,d rather die then be a mindless drone living in China with so sense of individuality.

[Lusitania]

US has 12 nuclear aircraft carriers and numeous other smaller amphibian carriers.

Yet cannot take care of a few barefoot pirates from a 4th world country who cant even swim.

Policeman of the world ?

Will and ability are two different things, when addressing matters of the such, always understand that. Not to mention, you are severely changing the focus from China to the United States through the unnecessary use of this red herring.

[brandenvonbeneckendorff]

China has 2,250,000 of Soldiers, 3,369,000 of Paramilitary yet cannot stop Dalai Lama, One Man who does not even carry a Gun

This is funny, coz this china's gdp was not even the headline in china, and i don't see ppl care abt this that much, unlike those who devout his time in this thread.

Well, the issue of DL, he's surelly a political **** star who can arouse heaps of europeans and chinese, for different reasons.

he can no longer arouse me anymore as im totally political realistic and value the art of war very much.

I have to say, there were some serious mistakes in the chinese strategy regarding dealing with DL. Just like the row last year when Sarkozy met DL, i personally would not have such a big protest against the europe (unless there are things which china can backstab europe so bad.). And china indeed won nothing, and lost some 'face' but nothing geopolitical as the status quo in tibet is still the same, and i personally think the chinese govt got a bit carried away by thinking that as the olympics ended, DL can't do anything now. And i'll still stick to the realpolitik principle which as a chinese proverb says 'A great man can achieve things other cannot achieve by bearing the most unbearable' and recommend that china should bear DL's action as long as he's not talking about a revolt or revolution etc, and he's broken english is not even close to unbearable.

But on the other hand, DL's a cheap political cash cow for both chinese and europeans, those political elites can all score heaps with whatever DL does. And DL enjoys that... well, its ok. So prob this is the reason why chinese leadership had such a fierce reaction and why europeans were so stubburn: BOTH WANTS TO GAIN SOME POLITICAL POINTS AT THE TIME OF FINALCIAL DIFFICULTY. yeah, and such 'provocation' wil never lead to military confrontations as DL isn't really worth it giving that the status quo in tibet is still like what it is no matter what he says or even does.

And those ppl outside china and still cares about that in the time when u should concern about how to grab as much money as possible is either no life or totally retarded as he/she cannot see what's the priority and what's cbf-ed shlt.

Yeah, grabbing as much money as possible is really what i care atm, as an engineering student, current i devote lots of my time on internship and don't give a slightest crap abt things happening outside china (since the only blood i care is chinese blood,) and NZ (which is the country im living in and after years living in this beautiful country, i do share a New Zealander identity and a very close bond to this country).

[Kilgor]

For the love of god, please stop this full retard crap about a nuclear war between the US and China.

:roll:

[LineDoggie]

This is funny, coz this china's gdp was not even the headline in china, and i don't see ppl care abt this that much, unlike those who devout his time in this thread.

Well, the issue of DL, he's surelly a political **** star who can arouse heaps of europeans and chinese, for different reasons.

he can no longer arouse me anymore I think I speak for everyone here when I say way to much personal Info dude...........

[brandenvonbeneckendorff]

I think I speak for everyone here when I say way to much personal Info dude...........

Not jus myself, but those who will alway bring DL into any discussion about China.

And it's so funny when i watch the news recently, i see there's a clear pattern of news reporting:

when the riot in lhasa happened, 8 ethnic Han chinese and Hui muslims were killed, and chinese military went into tibet, got rid of the journalists and started to clear up the rioters. And the world protested, and claiming how many tibetans were killed and not mentioning the han and the hui as if ethnic han chinese and hui muslims should be killled. And those free tibet ppl etc (such as Tutu, freak) got themselves on tv with their 'righteous' angry faces demanding china (as if they are somebody) to let journalists in and stop 'treating tibetans' badly and blah blah blah, and chinese are not very amused. and we see heaps of pro-china and anti-china video in youtube with lots of really retarded comments from both sides.

and when the war in gaza happened, israel claimed itself of having enough of its ppl killed and wounded by hamas and started to bomb gaza and does not allow journalists into gaza. and we see again ppl with their righteous angry face (and again, we can hear ppl such as tutu, who tf does he think he is) protesting israel of treating palestinians with this apartheid attitude and they should allow journalists into gaza blah blah blah, and many israelis aren't very amused, and again, heaps of ppl with absolutely no life started to put videos on youtube and retarted comments inundate.

That makes me realise, even China BECOMES a democracy, if we have a harsher reaction towards tibetan rioting, we will be reprimanded, and screw that. We will do wat we want, and israelis can bomb whoever they want to bomb, it's not my business and im totally neutral and impartial.

Prob lots of ppl in china realise this similarity, when the hong kong based tv channel Phoenix TV had this discussion about how to react towards this Gaza war, 90% netizen support israel to kill 'as many terrorists as possible'. Of course, Chinese govt keep a relative neutral voice throughout because they don't really want to get into trouble for this crisis in gaza and arabs, iranians and israelis are all our friends, of course those with oil has the priority.

[DS73]

Not jus myself, but those who will alway bring DL into any discussion about China.

And it's so funny when i watch the news recently, i see there's a clear pattern of news reporting:

when the riot in lhasa happened, 8 ethnic Han chinese and Hui muslims were killed, and chinese military went into tibet, got rid of the journalists and started to clear up the rioters. And the world protested, and claiming how many tibetans were killed and not mentioning the han and the hui as if ethnic han chinese and hui muslims should be killled. And those free tibet ppl etc (such as Tutu, freak) got themselves on tv with their 'righteous' angry faces demanding china (as if they are somebody) to let journalists in and stop 'treating tibetans' badly and blah blah blah, and chinese are not very amused. and we see heaps of pro-china and anti-china video in youtube with lots of really retarded comments from both sides.

and when the war in gaza happened, israel claimed itself of having enough of its ppl killed and wounded by hamas and started to bomb gaza and does not allow journalists into gaza. and we see again ppl with their righteous angry face (and again, we can hear ppl such as tutu, who tf does he think he is) protesting israel of treating palestinians with this apartheid attitude and they should allow journalists into gaza blah blah blah, and many israelis aren't very amused, and again, heaps of ppl with absolutely no life started to put videos on youtube and retarted comments inundate.

That makes me realise, even China BECOMES a democracy, if we have a harsher reaction towards tibetan rioting, we will be reprimanded, and screw that. We will do wat we want, and israelis can bomb whoever they want to bomb, it's not my business and im totally neutral and impartial.

Prob lots of ppl in china realise this similarity, when the hong kong based tv channel Phoenix TV had this discussion about how to react towards this Gaza war, 90% netizen support israel to kill 'as many terrorists as possible'. Of course, Chinese govt keep a relative neutral voice throughout because they don't really want to get into trouble for this crisis in gaza and arabs, iranians and israelis are all our friends, of course those with oil has the priority.

Me speechless.

Since you are fun of Bismarck, could you open a thread on him?
This would be the best end of very long weekend.:)

[brandenvonbeneckendorff]

Me speechless.

Since you are fun of Bismarck, could you open a thread on him?
This would be the best end of very long weekend.:)

Nah, my knowledge of him is too shallow, i'd rather listen to what other ppl say about him. It's just i see his political realism made germany strong and relatively peace with its neighbours until he was sacked by the kaiser.

And Sun Tze is the ancient form of chinese realpolitik, i'm trying to learn more about him by reading 'the art of war' but the classical chinese he used 2500 years ago is too hard for me i have to rely on modern chinese and english translation plus extra notes to understand it. Certainly i'm more convinced on the importance of avoiding confrontation, not because im ghandi, but i do not want unnecessary waste of time, money and even lives.

[firemedic]

US has 12 nuclear aircraft carriers and numeous other smaller amphibian carriers.

Yet cannot take care of a few barefoot pirates from a 4th world country who cant even swim.

Policeman of the world ? ..........Using the most powerful navy in world history and the largest most powerful navy in the world today to kill a few pirates in speedboats is akin to squashing an ant with a 20lb sledgehammer. Not worth the time and effort. Just a temporary mindless distraction. Kinda like reading your posts.

[matthew.manhorn]

To fage.

A labor force of a billion people driven by a dictatorship doesn't sound impressive to me. I think we Chinese should improve ourselves inwards rather than boasting outwards. Stop posting propaganda garbage like this.

[matthew.manhorn]

Nah, my knowledge of him is too shallow, i'd rather listen to what other ppl say about him. It's just i see his political realism made germany strong and relatively peace with its neighbours until he was sacked by the kaiser.

And Sun Tze is the ancient form of chinese realpolitik, i'm trying to learn more about him by reading 'the art of war' but the classical chinese he used 2500 years ago is too hard for me i have to rely on modern chinese and english translation plus extra notes to understand it. Certainly i'm more convinced on the importance of avoiding confrontation, not because im ghandi, but i do not want unnecessary waste of time, money and even lives.

The problem with Art of War is that its concepts are too general and lacks details which may cause lots of misunderstandings. It is also the reason why many people abuse Art of War's quotes to write stupid books such as "Sun Tzu art of war for business" "sun tzu art of war for warfare" etc...

IMO studying Ancient Chinese history itself gives you a better standing of tactics+strategies than Art of War. 3 kingdoms , Zhanguo, Cuo Han, and Genghis Khan are great examples.