All Hail President for Life......

[LineDoggie]

Didnt take these Fvcksticks long did it? To take place within 7 years from now if passed. Gee, Who might Possibly benefit from this?



http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas


Text:

111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 5
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 6, 2009


Mr. SERRANO introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:
`Article--



`The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed

[JJC]

Not going to pass, next...

[Silent Reader]

well, what would be the problem with this.. i mean American are sensible about changing their constitution and all.. but having a president for more than two terms shouldn't be a problem. if he does good work why should he not be reelected over and over again.. and if he is an epic fail on two legs.. than vote for another guy. of course there is always the risk that people might get confused since there are two major parties and the choice between candidates is so big that they might accidently vote again for the guy that sucked at his job - like in the case of George Jr. ;)

[JJC]

Roosevelt was enough.

[nullterm]

Works great for Cuba.

[philbob]

Imagin that a democrat came up with that bill

[LineDoggie]

well, what would be the problem with this.. i mean American are sensible about changing their constitution and all.. but having a president for more than two terms shouldn't be a problem. if he does good work why should he not be reelected over and over again.. and if he is an epic fail on two legs.. than vote for another guy. of course there is always the risk that people might get confused since there are two major parties and the choice between candidates is so big that they might accidently vote again for the guy that sucked at his job - like in the case of George Jr. ;)


We're not Haiti or Uganda thats why, becomes a cult of Personality. look at Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao, Idi Amin, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

[tluassa]

Well, I lived under a Helmuth Kohl dictatorship the first 14 years of my life ... ^^ Konrad Adenauer ruled Germany from 1949 - 1963, and it wasnt the worst years ...

[Notlim]

We're not Haiti or Uganda thats why, becomes a cult of Personality. look at Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao, Idi Amin, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

Or American aristocracy if you look hard enough,,,,

[LineDoggie]

Or American aristocracy if you look hard enough,,,,


or a Trudeau, eh?

[philbob]

Or American aristocracy if you look hard enough,,,,
you mean the Kennedy's , Bush's and Clinton's? am i forgeting anyone?

[MaverickCowboy]

This is treason.

[philbob]

This is treason.
no it is spitting on our constitution and our founders

[MaverickCowboy]

no it is spitting on our constitution and our founders

thats ....what Treason is or does that word get watered down today?

[INAT]

Well, I lived under a Helmuth Kohl dictatorship the first 14 years of my life ... ^^ Konrad Adenauer ruled Germany from 1949 - 1963, and it wasnt the worst years ...


Americans are not Germans except for the ones that are.p-)

But seriously American people have a long tradition of enjoying freedom and this is as un-American as it gets.It goes against everything that has been taught over the years about the nature of liberty and what happens
when it is taken away.

[JKD]

This is treason.

I'm in no way in favor of repealing the 22nd Amendment but how do you come to the conclusion that this is treason?

[LineDoggie]

I would not call this treason. I would call this stupid. Look what 4 terms did for FDR. By 1945 he was a wreck who died in office, Truman didnt even know of the Atomic Bomb.

[philbob]

thats ....what Treason is or does that word get watered down today?

I'm sorry but this isnt treason it is disrespectful against all our nations founding princeiples but it isnt treason

[DanteXavier]

I'm sorry but this isnt treason it is disrespectful against all our nations founding princeiples but it isnt treason

In all fairness, it should be pointed out that many of the originators of those founding principles weren't opposed to the idea of the president serving more than two terms, which is why the 22nd amendment is relatively recent. Some wanted the president to serve "at the pleasure of the people", meaning for as long as they wanted him(thats how the Federalists worded it anyway).

Of course, that changed and there is probably a good reason for that, but I'm just saying.

[deagle]

well, if he does good, should't he be eligible to be re-elected ? its not a free pass.

[Mofreaka]

People still believe Obama is a new God and absolutely nothing like the so called authoritarian Bush state, that there is no way he will attempt to control the country like Bush definitely tried to do. /sarcasm. There is an entire population of idiots who would honestly follow this guy to their deaths and he hasnt even done anything.

[MaverickCowboy]

I'm in no way in favor of repealing the 22nd Amendment but how do you come to the conclusion that this is treason?

it violates the law of the land? they are trying to remove it, honestly i believe that is treason trying to remove an amendment to your benefit and without consent of the people.. the Elections have a chance of being fixed, don't tell me its totally impossible. this gives the underdog (the Minority after two years) to breathe from the grasp of insane Neo-Lib, or Neo-Cons.

[JKD]

it violates the law of the land?
How? The constitution can be amended and previous amendments can be repealed

I wouldn't worry though. Passing a constitutional amendment is no simple task. This will go nowhere.

[ViktorNavorski]

One word on why this is a bad idea no matter what, "CONGRESS," no term limit for those buffoons and look how they turn out, a bunch of corrupt, idiotic, fornicating pigs (okay, so there are a few good exceptions, but far too few to do enact anything decent) with a lower approval ratings than Bush.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." - Alexis de Tocqueville

[philbob]

well we have crossed that point

[ViktorNavorski]

well we have crossed that pointSomberly true.

[MaverickCowboy]

:bash:
Somberly true.

why dont people protest anymore, were hippies the only one who had balls to stand up?

[Mofreaka]

Psh no? Look at all those Muslims in Europe protesting!

[vryhpyammoadded]

Oh come now, they protest all the time. It’s just that they protest for whatever reasons the corrupt demagogues want them to.
Legislating tyranny is the only thing these jerks on the Hill have to break the veto some 22ish million voters have on absolute power. The tyrants want to bust up the deadlock and get on with the complete transformation of the US into their well oiled gulag utopia.

[INAT]

:bash:

why dont people protest anymore, were hippies the only one who had balls to stand up?


Ok go ahead I will meet you out there when A. I am done surfng the net,
B. When I finish playing my PS3 or C.I get off my iPhone.Because we are lazy and we have not suffered a harsh standard of living decrease.

[philbob]

my brother made this point in saying people in a good situation tend to have afwul kids while people in a bad one (the poor) have good outstanding kids :D i was rolling when he said it

[INAT]

my brother made this point in saying people in a good situation tend to have afwul kids while people in a bad one (the poor) have good outstanding kids :D i was rolling when he said it


Complacency.


You were rolling? On E? The it is true.

[budgie]

We're not Haiti or Uganda thats why, becomes a cult of Personality. look at Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao, Idi Amin, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

Or Margaret Thatcher or Helen Clarke or Bob Hawke: sooner or later they were all voted out or retired by their own party. In a robust democracy with regular elections it shouldn't be a problem, unless you think America's democratic tradition is weaker than that of the UK, NZ or Australia.

Sooner or late in such a system, they don't make it. Heck a US President is lucky to win again after one term (Carter, Bush SR.). If Obama is doing so well that he could actually win a third term after eight years then I doubt there's anything to fear. I personally doubt that in such a tough job he could please enough people to do that - especially when Americans are so used to frequent change.

[philbob]

its better to keep it and not have to worry about it then having to drag someone out of office and hanging them at the gallows

[budgie]

That's probably why it won't pass.

[Lao Yan Qiang]

One word on why this is a bad idea no matter what, "CONGRESS," no term limit for those buffoons and look how they turn out, a bunch of corrupt, idiotic, fornicating pigs (okay, so there are a few good exceptions, but far too few to do enact anything decent) with a lower approval ratings than Bush.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." - Alexis de Tocqueville

Would this be the same Congress that continues to delegate it's authority to the President as recently as when GM, Ford, and Cerberus came begging for billions? The same Congress that funds wars that it lacks the will to declare? The same Congress that can make no decision other than to spend more of your money?

[LineDoggie]

Or Margaret Thatcher or Helen Clarke or Bob Hawke: sooner or later they were all voted out or retired by their own party. In a robust democracy with regular elections it shouldn't be a problem, unless you think America's democratic tradition is weaker than that of the UK, NZ or Australia.

Sooner or late in such a system, they don't make it. Heck a US President is lucky to win again after one term (Carter, Bush SR.). If Obama is doing so well that he could actually win a third term after eight years then I doubt there's anything to fear. I personally doubt that in such a tough job he could please enough people to do that - especially when Americans are so used to frequent change.

Franklin


Delano


Roosevelt


Dragged out in a Bag, April 12th, 1945 after 12 years

[Walter Sobchak]

In all fairness, it should be pointed out that many of the originators of those founding principles weren't opposed to the idea of the president serving more than two terms, which is why the 22nd amendment is relatively recent. Some wanted the president to serve "at the pleasure of the people", meaning for as long as they wanted him(thats how the Federalists worded it anyway).

Of course, that changed and there is probably a good reason for that, but I'm just saying.

It was understood by Washington on forward that two terms was plenty. Back then, it was called common sense. The Founders intended for people to serve their country, leave things better and go home. Their writings are clear that they never intended anyone to go to Washington and stay there for their entire adult lives. The need for term limits was something that was inconceivable to them, because the average voter then was a propertied adult male who could not and would not leave his business or farm but for a short period of time.

As for amending the Constitution, it has to pass the Congress and then be ratified by the State Legislatures of 3/4 of the states (38 of them) for it to become effective.

It ain't going to happen...

[INAT]

Would this be the same Congress that continues to delegate it's authority to the President as recently as when GM, Ford, and Cerberus came begging for billions? The same Congress that funds wars that it lacks the will to declare? The same Congress that can make no decision other than to spend more of your money?


Yes and that is why I propose communism with a free market to solve the problem.

[Bia]

my brother made this point in saying people in a good situation tend to have afwul kids while people in a bad one (the poor) have good outstanding kids :D i was rolling when he said it
You're brother is off base.

Hard workers... rich or poor tend to have good kids.
People getting $ they really didnt earn....rich or poor tend to have bad kids.


Your brother was close.... but didnt look deep enough.

[helomech]

Our founding fathers never meant for this idea to take place nor did they envision lifelong politicians

You know they're rolling over in their graves


This dufus who introduced this resolution should be publicly flogged

[philbob]

You're brother is off base.

Hard workers... rich or poor tend to have good kids.
People getting $ they really didnt earn....rich or poor tend to have bad kids.


Your brother was close.... but didnt look deep enough.

he was gerneralizing cuz there are expections to every rule but i grew up in the 'ghetto' of seattle and wasnt impressed and now i goto a lily white school and still am not impressed

[philbob]

Our founding fathers never meant for this idea to take place nor did they envision lifelong politicians

You know they're rolling over in their graves


This dufus who introduced this resolution should be publicly flogged

i would prefer him hung at a public gallow

[USMCRTop]

Not going to pass, next...

X2 I agree 100 percent

[Doublethinker]

Yes and that is why I propose communism with a free market to solve the problem.

This thread has some excellent comedians to it.

[ramthor]

thats ....what Treason is or does that word get watered down today?

umm...like sedition?

[Marshall_Nord]

Ok go ahead I will meet you out there when A. I am done surfng the net,
B. When I finish playing my PS3 or C.I get off my iPhone.Because we are lazy and we have not suffered a harsh standard of living decrease.

Ha, ha, so true! Don't forget short attention spans! Those who do have the balls to stand up will be rocking the boat of the comfort express and deemed (In the voice of Palpatine from Revenge of the Sith) "Enemies of the Republic!"

[Bia]

... and deemed (In the voice of Palpatine from Revenge of the Sith) "Enemies of the Republic!"

hehehehehe

Excellent.

:P

[Moledet]

The only messiah is this guy
http://img2.tapuz.co.il/forums/1_125899061.jpg

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Mountain...Molehill...everybody take your Prozac pills and take your tin-foil hats off....p-)

A note on Treason. The 22nd amendment was ratified until 1947, so I guess U.S. Grant (who tried to get the nomination for the 1876 election) and T. Roosevelt (Technically, 1912 would have been only his second election, but would have exceeded 8 years as president easily) were traitorous scum? :cantbeli:

Seriously, some @ss-kissing Congresscritter wanted his 15 minutes and apparently has gotten it...wouldn't be surprised if sometime during Reagan's time that this didn't get introduced (and yes, I'm too lazy to go look) for the same reasons.

This will never be heard of again.

[domokun]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg241/762rk95/kekkonen.jpg

Urho Kaleva Kekkonen, president of Finland 1956-1982.

[06USMC02]

This was last mentioned near the end of Ronald Reagan's second term. It will go away just like that one did. I agree - this won't happen - takes too much to amend the Constitution.

[11 Bravo]

Imagin that a democrat came up with that bill


Not surprising seeing as these leftnutters are so keen against term limits.

[notherhen40]

We're not Haiti or Uganda thats why, becomes a cult of Personality. look at Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao, Idi Amin, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

You forgot Pol Pot, Hitler, Milosevic...all cults of personality too

[Geezah]

well, what would be the problem with this.. i mean American are sensible about changing their constitution and all.. but having a president for more than two terms shouldn't be a problem. if he does good work why should he not be reelected over and over again.. and if he is an epic fail on two legs.. than vote for another guy. of course there is always the risk that people might get confused since there are two major parties and the choice between candidates is so big that they might accidently vote again for the guy that sucked at his job - like in the case of George Jr. ;)

I personally believe the ability to run more than twice is what did Primeminister Thatcher in, and ultimately the Conservative Party.

Primeminister Major was a fish in my mind.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I'm not sure where all this jazz about the intent of the founding fathers and/or un-American stuff comes from. We're obviously used to a 2-term limit, but the founders wrote down exactly what they wanted - and they wrote nothing about term limits. The country ran just fine for 175 years with people being able to serve more than 2 terms. I think Taft, Van Buren, Teddy Roosevelt and Truman all ran for a 3rd term.

But back in the day, people didn't live as long, and they sure as hell couldn't function when they were that old. The press wanted FDR in office and so they willingly deceived the American public about his medical condition - and of course he dropped dead on the job. I don't think this really became an issue until the 50's- when both life expectancy and prosperity ($) edged up...which is when the amendment passed.

I think there are good arguments on both sides - but knowing how infected our system has become with money, media and special interests, I'm glad to keep things just the way they are. After witnessing the sycophantic fawning over Obama, and the overwhelming rapture of the media - I don't think we'd ever be rid of the guy.

[Eye]

Maybe it's a first step to monarchy. :roll:

[Umbro2914]

nice thread with good mix of viewpoints.. just to add some info since the link dosent work
Sponsored by Representative from NY 16th District, José Serrano
Viewpoint Analysis

http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/111/repstats/images/people/spectrum-400366.png (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd)Serrano is a far-left Democrat according to GovTrack's own analysis of bill sponsorship (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd)


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400366