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BearInBunnySuit
01-15-2009, 11:21 AM
For what it's worth, Kim Jong Il reportedly named his Swiss-educated third son as his successor. As with all things concerning N. Korea, I will take this latest news with a grain of salt.


North Korea’s enigmatic and ailing dictator, Kim Jong Il, is thought to have made a surprise selection of the man who will succeed him as leader of the nuclear-armed, Stalinist autocracy when he is gone.
Intelligence sources in Seoul today suggested that – very much against the expectations of South Korean analysis – Mr Kim, 66, has chosen this youngest and favourite son, Jong Un, to take over the all-pervasive family personality cult that controls the country.
The potential heir, who is thought to be no more than 24 years old, was educated in Switzerland and is the offspring of Kim’s third marriage and supposedly favourite wife – a woman who died five years ago.
In the regular and heated speculation among North Korea watchers over the shape of a world without Mr Kim, Jong Un has been routinely dismissed as a likely successor because of his youth.

Little about his upbringing is thought to make him especially suited to the task of following in his father and grandfather’s footsteps. If Jong Un does eventually assume control, he will inherit a persistently moribund economy, relations across the Korean peninsula that have plumbed new lows and an agricultural crisis that annually pushes the country dangerously close to outright famine.
Analysts at the Korea Institute for National Unification said that the critical date to watch was the parliamentary election on March 8: if Jong Un is suddenly given a seat on the powerful National Defence Commission, said one KINU official, that will be a sign that he is begun the grooming process required before he can succeed his father.
Experts in North Korean propaganda said that the selection of a notably young successor to Mr Kim was a logical step for the regime: the cult surrounding the “Dear Leader” has consistently presented him as vigorous and hearty. If, as many suspect, Mr Kim has suffered a stroke and is actually rather frail, the only way to present that reality to ordinary North Koreans, said one government source in Seoul, is with his young, vigorous son at his side.
Rumours of the anointment were greeted with scepticism in some intelligence quarters, as were suggestions that the political and military hierarchies had already been asked to pass the heir apparent’s name down through their ranks to prepare people for an eventual handover. In a nation defined by its opaqueness, the succession issue in North Korea is perhaps the most closely guarded secret and many observers believe that South Korean intelligence “scoops” on the subject are liable to be flawed.
Others said that the selection of a successor was a natural move for Mr Kim, whose health and continuing grip on power have been matters of intensifying speculation in recent months. That speculation has been fuelled by a relentless flow of photographs, officially released to show an apparently healthy Mr Kim touring various factories and military facilities. None of the pictures isdated, and Mr Kim has still not appeared at any live-broadcast public event since the middle of last year.
The questions began to arise last September when Mr Kim failed to make an appearance at a huge public parade for which participants had been rehearsing for more than a year. As suspicions mounted that the Dear Leader might be critically ill or dying, so too did worries over a possible power vacuum at the top of the notoriously unpredictable regime. If he died without selecting and grooming an heir, said US intelligence sources in December, the risks of instability were substantial.
Until today, the succession question has been complicated by the lack of an obvious heir. Mr Kim’s eldest son, Jong Nam, is in his late thirties but is believed to have put himself out of the running with a series of blunders that included being deported from Japan while reportedly attempting to visit Tokyo Disneyland with a forged passport. A biography of Mr Kim, written by his former sushi chef, suggests that the Dear Leader considered his second son, Jong Chol, too weak to be in the running as successor.
The succession question comes amid continuing deadlock in efforts to wean North Korea off its nuclear weapons programmes. Yesterday a deputy nuclear envoy from Seoul left on the first high-level visit in over a year, though hopes for a breakthrough remain low.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5522699.ece

SBL
01-15-2009, 11:23 AM
It'll be interesting to see where this leads.

Ichabod
01-15-2009, 11:29 AM
Interesting.Is it likely that the hardliners wont allow the son to take power once the old man dies?

ayanami_tard
01-15-2009, 11:39 AM
it'll be interesting to see where this leads.

democracy,freedom,stronger hallyu and the ultimate unification of great korean nation

just hoping it to happen

Mr.K
01-15-2009, 11:54 AM
Nothing will happen, just because an a-hole got his education in switzerland it doesn't mean he'll become less of an a-hole. Ruling class never changes. Despite the Juhche philosophy Kim Jong Illin' enjoys his french cogniac.

Atlantic Friend
01-15-2009, 12:00 PM
Interesting.Is it likely that the hardliners wont allow the son to take power once the old man dies?

Who knows ? It's what I thought when young London-educated Bashir came to Syria, and he somehow managed to cling the Baa-baa-baathist Chair. Maybe Kim Jong Un (that totally calls for Kim Jong Deux jokes in French) will prove himself able to resist daddy's old guard, accusing them of betraying the Juche ideology and organizing Stalinian trials ?

Createdeemcee
01-15-2009, 12:20 PM
just imagine the economical quagmier, that an open stated NK would bring. There would be a flood of interest there.

Klatuu
01-15-2009, 12:29 PM
It'll be interesting to see where this leads.

N. Korea become watch-making capitol of the world, and cannibalism in N. Korea tapers off to virtually nothing?

SBL
01-15-2009, 12:31 PM
N. Korea become watch-making capitol of the world, and cannibalism in N. Korea tapers off to virtually nothing?
Clown .



Nothing will happen, just because an a-hole got his education in switzerland it doesn't mean he'll become less of an a-hole. Ruling class never changes. Despite the Juhche philosophy Kim Jong Illin' enjoys his french cogniac.



Well, it really depends. Nothing is written in stone, and it remains to be seen how effectively the successor can manage the ruling elite, (as he like his father, is theoretically dependent on their support), what sort of pressures he would be facing internally, etc.
Where he was educated has little to do with it.

Doublethinker
01-15-2009, 12:36 PM
Pol Pot took his courses in France.

Mugabe studied in Jesuit missionary school.

Education ain't that much of a retardant, when it comes down to morals.

Stainless Steel Rat
01-15-2009, 01:03 PM
It'll be interesting to see where this leads.

Probably nowhere any of us could imagine.....

I treat those who predict what the N. Korean leadership is going to do the same as I do any soothsayer/crystal ball gazer; with a thin level of tolerance which unsuccessfully hides my contempt.

Anyone making claims about that insular, paranoid, and Byzantine ruling family and what comes next is trying to sell their next book.

Most of the folks here could make as good a prediction on what happens after Kim kicks off as these 'sources' could.

IMHO as always.

Press on.

Ordie
01-15-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm sure hate to be the teacher of Kim Jong Il son when report cards are due.

2Sheds_Jackson
01-15-2009, 02:09 PM
I am detecting a great disturbance in the Juche.

domokun
01-15-2009, 05:03 PM
I am detecting a great disturbance in the Juche.

That raises question: Is the dark side of the Juche more powerful? Or is Juche itself the dark side? Can there be light and dark side in Juche?p-)

Walter Sobchak
01-15-2009, 08:36 PM
That raises question: Is the dark side of the Juche more powerful? Or is Juche itself the dark side? Can there be light and dark side in Juche?p-)

Maybe Juche-lite?

Announcer:"The same old Juche spirit we all love, but with one-third less misery than regular Juche! Coming soon, Juche-lite at a totalitarian dung heap near you!"

These guys scare me, because if they start losing their grip on power, they will play the card that has kept them there all along, and that is to rally the NKs against an outside "enemy".

LordKitchener
01-15-2009, 08:50 PM
It's interesting that Kim sent his son to Switzerland to be educated. I guess North Korea's education system is as great as he makes out.

I wonder if the Swiss let North Korean bodyguards in to protect the child?

Reaper171
01-16-2009, 12:34 AM
You never know... he could have been contacted by agents from many a country while attending school there... for how long? Hmm wonder if he has a handler or two waiting for this very thing to happen. Never know:hug:

LazerLordz
01-16-2009, 12:41 AM
Pyongyang's very own Manchurian candidate. rofl

Mikhael
01-16-2009, 08:08 AM
The sad part is that South Korea dont want to "take" North in they are scared of "german scenario" but few times bigger they like the way things are now :roll:


There are some hopes for chinese way but i doubt its possible in north korea.

SBL
01-16-2009, 11:39 AM
The sad part is that South Korea dont want to "take" North in they are scared of "german scenario" but few times bigger they like the way things are now :roll:


There are some hopes for chinese way but i doubt its possible in north korea.
Well, you're kind of missing the key fact in that before the South can "take" the DPRK, it'll require the leadership up north to relinquish their control.
Second, most Koreans I know are pretty ambivilant towards the DPRK, but can you really blame them for not wanting to wreck their economy and defer any aspiriations they had for their kids and their future for the next few decades? It's not all that attractive an option.
Third, given the strain on China's resources presently, I can't imagine they're all that excited about diverting said resources towards feeding and providing infrastructure several million more people, either.

BearInBunnySuit
02-19-2009, 12:03 PM
Power Struggle Undermines Efforts to Disarm North Korea, Clinton Says


By JAY SOLOMON (http://online.wsj.com/search/search_center.html?KEYWORDS=JAY+SOLOMON&ARTICLESEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND)

SEOUL -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. and Asian nations are increasingly concerned that a possible power struggle inside North Korea's leadership is undermining international efforts to disarm the reclusive Stalinist state.

Washington's chief diplomat and other senior U.S. officials said there are growing signs that a succession process inside Pyongyang may have already commenced, contributing to North Korea's hardening position.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Il isn't believed to have completely recovered from a suspected August stroke, and his power is seen gradually shifting to Pyongyang's military, the Korean People's Army, according to North Korea analysts and U.S. officials.

Mrs. Clinton said she plans to raise Mr. Kim's status with senior South Korean and Chinese officials during the final two stops of her four-nation Asian tour, which ends Sunday. Pyongyang has been making increasingly bellicose threats against Seoul in recent weeks.

On Thursday, North Korea threatened an "all-out confrontation" with Seoul for what it claims has been provocative actions taken by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak.

"We're still facing the reality of North Korea possessing not only, we believe, some numbers of nuclear weapons, but showing very little willingness to get back on track" with negotiations to end its nuclear program, Mrs. Clinton told reporters traveling with her to South Korea from Jakarta, Indonesia Thursday.

"Some of this is contributed to its own internal situation. Our goal is to come up with something realistic at a time when the North Korean leadership is uncertain," Mrs. Clinton said.

Mr. Kim is widely believed by U.S. and South Korean officials to have suffered a stroke in August that kept him incapacitated for months.

In recent weeks, the North Korean dictator publicly met senior Chinese leaders in Pyongyang in a sign that he's made at least a partial recovery. But U.S. officials and academics who have visited North Korea recently said they believe Mr. Kim remains weak and is delegating many key national-security decisions to his generals.

North Korea has made moves over the past month to sideline key officers inside the Korean People's Army, according to U.S. and South Korean officials. And North Korea analysts said there have been signs that Pyongyang is taking steps to prepare Mr. Kim's youngest son, Kim Jong Woo, 26, to take power. Mr. Kim Jong Il's brother-in-law, Chang Sung Taek, 63, is also seen as a key player in deciding North Korea's new leader.

A tentative U.S. agreement with North Korea to end its nuclear program has been stalled over Pyongyang's refusal to agree to a program to allow international inspectors to verify and dismantle its nuclear assets. A number of U.S. officials tie this hardening of the North's position to Mr. Kim's stroke and believe Pyongyang has been taking a consistently aggressive line with the international community ever since.

The U.S. and its Asian allies have detected in recent weeks what they said are signs that Pyongyang is preparing to test-launch its long-range Taepodong-2 missile.

The move is seen as an attempt by the North to exact more concessions from the Obama administration in negotiations that are expected to resume with the U.S. and its diplomatic partners: China, South Korea, Japan and Russia. Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly warned Pyongyang against the launch during her Asian trip, describing it as destabilizing to the region.

Mrs. Clinton said Thursday the threat posed by North Korea's long-range missile program made it imperative that a diplomatic framework be established to end it. She said the missile issue could be addressed through the so-called "six-party" diplomatic framework or through some other international mechanism.

"I think the ballistic-missile discussion has to be pursued," Mrs. Clinton said in a press briefing. "Obviously, with the attention being paid to the potential launching by the North Koreans, this is in of itself a matter of great concern."

North Korea has been a major supplier of ballistic missile technology to Iran, Syria, Pakistan and a variety of other Middle East and North African states. The U.S. has moved as recently as March to block the movement of North Korean aircraft over fears they were shipping missile components to Iran.

The U.S. administration of Bill Clinton entered into negotiations with Pyongyang to trade financial aid for North Korea, taking steps to end its missile program. But the talks stalled in 2000 and were never picked up by former U.S. President George W. Bush's administration.

Mrs. Clinton said she also planned to raise with China's leadership contingency planning should North Korea enter into a succession process. Beijing is Pyongyang's closest strategic ally and is believed to have the best intelligence on the inner-workings of Pyongyang's political and military leadership.

"We do want this to be shared responsibility," Mrs. Clinton said. "We take a great deal of responsibility because of our alliance relationships with Japan, South Korea…But North Korea is on China's border. I want to understand better what the Chinese believe is doable."

The Bush administration intermittently attempted to coordinate with Beijing on post-Kim Jong Il planning. But former U.S. officials said China's military leadership often rebuffed such overtures. They were told such discussions would be viewed as hostile by the North Korean regime.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123504943103522181.html