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Adux
01-16-2009, 03:35 PM
Book review: Friends of Al Qaeda in Europe —by Khaled Ahmed
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2008/12/28/20081228_ed05.jpg The Frontiers of Jihad: Radical Islam in Europe

By Alison Pargeter
IB Tauris 2008
Pp244; Special Price Rs 1495
Available at bookstores in Pakistan

Here is another book on the phenomenon of radical Islam in Europe although it is less of an indictment of the British government than Londonistan (2006) by Melanie Phillips.

Both books carry a photograph of Abu Hamza al-Masri on the title page. Together with Umar Bakri, Al Masri was the single most effective advocate of Al Qaeda’s worldview in the UK and attracted jihadis from all parts of Europe because of his brazen attack on what the Western political system stood for.

He is interesting for us because he inspired expatriate Pakistanis in the UK and, from his Finsbury Mosque, is alleged to have organised terrorist plots that the Pakistani youths joined.

Pargeter is also less interested than Phillips in the allegation that terrorism in the UK by the Islamists was a blowback from an earlier policy, spearheaded by the UK and followed less enthusiastically by the rest of Europe, of welcoming and nurturing dissenters from the Muslim world and thus revengefully gaining the high moral ground while pretending to be friends of the ‘undemocratic’ governments in the Islamic world.

When Umar Bakri was finally disallowed return to the UK, he had fathered eight children on British money, was living in a house gifted by the UK government, and was driving a luxury car put at his disposal. The man had spawned together with Al Masri two organisations that are banned today in Pakistan because they threatened the very idea of the state of Pakistan: Al Muhajirun and Hizb al-Tahrir. Britain was the ‘zone of contact’ between Pakistanis and the Arabs, and English was their medium of expression, something that never happened in the Middle East where expat Pakistanis are much larger in number.

But the author gives us a wider canvas of the terrorist cult in Europe and its connections within the UK. The account begins with the career of the Syrian radical Abu Musab Al Suri, who arose as the intellect of Al Qaeda, writing its encyclopaedia of terrorism. He travelled to Pakistan and came under the influence of the famous Dr Fadl — now opposed to Al Zawahiri from his prison in Egypt — and met Osama bin Laden, telling him he shouldn’t appear on the media too much and not build up his own personality cult too much.

Al Suri’s base was in Spain but he thought he would do better in the more ‘helpful’ environment in the UK. He was traced to bombings in Spain in 2004 and the UK in 2005. He was caught in Pakistan in October 2005 and handed over to the US with USD5 million on his head.

The Brotherhood, Syrian and Egyptian, was wooed by Europe, and its Saudi brand was borrowed by Algeria and Morocco before immigrants infected by it were stuffed into Europe. The UK borrowed the hardline Islamists from France and the rest of Europe thinking it was acquiring “assets” for its Middle East policy. It doomed its majority Muslim population composed of Pakistanis in the process as most of these Arab extremists linked up with Al Qaeda and its funded madrassas in Pakistan.

The Saudis funded everything in sight in the UK, including the big universities, which immediately began to expurgate their orientalist publications, and the Pakistani mosques, which, as Gilles Kepel tells us, began as Barelvi places of worship, finally succumbed to Wahhabi funds and became Deobandi mouthpieces of Al Qaeda.

At least one Pakistani appeared at the head of radical Islam in the UK before the Arabs took over from him. He was Kalim Siddiqi, who took the UK’s multicultural policy to the absurd extreme of establishing a separate Islamic Parliament with its own laws. He was inspired by Iran’s Revolution; so were many Arabs who thought their countries too needed something like that. As the number of Muslims swelled and their radicalisation became a serious possibility, Middle Eastern regimes competed in funding their Islamisation, thinking the expats will send back killers against them.

The Saudis opened the purse-strings but so did Libya and Baathist Iraq. As a result, mosques proliferated and the expat Muslims in Europe apparently flocked to them forgetting that they had to integrate like other expats for their own good. It got to a point where it was difficult to say if radical Islam got exported to Europe or got exported from Europe.

The orders to go to Afghanistan and fight a new kind of war came from Al Azhar and from Saudi Mufti Abdul Aziz bin Baz, the blind sheikh who was one of the many blind sheikhs with extremist worldview, such as the two we know, Sheikh Abdul Hamid Kishk and the chief of Jamaa Islamiyya, Sheikh Umar Abdur Rehman. The launching pad was Pakistan with Lahore as the post where Arabs were received and then sent on to Kunar, the Afghan province with strong Wahhabi influence which also flowed into a sympathetic Bajaur tribal agency in Pakistan. When the veterans of this jihad went back they caused discord in their countries from Algeria to Indonesia and were pushed out. Europe accepted them and began incubating something that was to explode in the fullness of time.

The book gives us an excellent survey of who was embedded where. The Moroccans had a big presence in Spain but were “innocent” till Morocco thought it should allow the extremist infection to creep in from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The author gives us a detailed account of the Al Qaeda strike in Spain in 2004, killing 129 that had the effect of taking Spain out of the war in Iraq. Now Moroccans are causing sleepless nights in the Benelux states where minority rights are treated as sacred trust but which the expat Muslims exploit. Many Pakistani clerics have transplanted their Pakistani sectarianism into Belgium.

The Egyptian Sheikh Anwar Shaban was granted asylum in Italy as he could not enter Egypt because of his dangerous views based on his expertise of hadith. He organised the jihad that opened up in Bosnia in 1992, creating a virtual army from out of the expat Muslims living in Europe. Britain took in the vitriolic Abu Qatada al-Filistini from Palestine who denounced the un-Islamic regimes back in the Middle East but was to become a thorn in the side of the UK that took his fulminations to mean that he supported democracy back home.

The Algerians dominated in France which has more Muslims than any other state in Europe. When Libyans and Algerian Islamists found the going tough in Europe they shifted their headquarters to Londonistan and guided their strategy in the Arab world from here.

Europe is now reacting to what has happened in the past; so is the UK. The reaction is measured and rational. One can’t agree with people like Oriana Fallaci who think Europe is becoming a ‘colony of Islam’. The fact is that Islam is on the boil and will take time subsiding if the world holds fast and doesn’t play around too much with democracy as a fix-all formula. That much of the Islamic radicalism got spread around because of old policies will surely cause the right kind of corrections in Europe and the UK. *



http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008/12/28/story_28-12-2008_pg3_5

timetraveller
01-16-2009, 04:12 PM
I have serious doubts over the Authenticity of the book , Imo her opinions aren't based on interviewin radicals over 3yrs apparently claimed .. And having google her name this was the best that had offer ,

http://www.ibtauris.com/results.asp?AUB=Alison%20Pargeter&TAG=&CID=

G-AWZT
01-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Europe's problem. They should simply ignore it....................maybe it'll go away.

Mackie
01-16-2009, 04:41 PM
The article forgots Germany. I live near Ulm.
140.000 people but there were killed Jihadis in Astan and Chechnya came from Ulm.
Unbelievable.

But Religion is a problem in general.

INAT
01-16-2009, 09:44 PM
Well the article forgot the Balkans as well.
For a long time the issue was dismissed as Serbian propaganda during war. Much of what the Serbs said has been confirmed by French, German and American sources. There is a strong Saudi influence and Iranian intelligence presence all over Kosovo Metohija, the Muslim part of Bosnia, Montenegro and Sandzak.


http://www.girodivite.it/The-Iranian-reach-in-Bosnia.html

Adux
01-17-2009, 12:17 AM
Glasgow is simmering underneath if you ask me!

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-17-2009, 05:10 AM
Glasgow is simmering underneath if you ask me!There will be a few but most of the trouble in Glasgow is with Pakistani gangs who shake down people in their own commuinity.

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-17-2009, 05:16 AM
Well the article forgot the Balkans as well.
For a long time the issue was dismissed as Serbian propaganda during war. Much of what the Serbs said has been confirmed by French, German and American sources. There is a strong Saudi influence and Iranian intelligence presence all over Kosovo Metohija, the Muslim part of Bosnia, Montenegro and Sandzak.


http://www.girodivite.it/The-Iranian-reach-in-Bosnia.htmlThe Serbs also blamed the CIA for training the KLA.

Adux
01-17-2009, 05:18 AM
I have lived in Glasgow for sometime, worked as well as studied there! It is sometime before they get on the streets, the difference between glasgow and other cities as far as I have noticed is, the football gangs based on both Rangers and Celtics who are mostly white are quite strong, which is giving the other gangs(read muslim and pakistani) quite a lot of apprehensions about going in the open with their agenda, but they have already made small ghetto areas which are out of limits in some ways for whites and others.

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-17-2009, 05:37 AM
I have lived in Glasgow for sometime, worked as well as studied there! It is sometime before they get on the streets, the difference between glasgow and other cities as far as I have noticed is, the football gangs based on both Rangers and Celtics who are mostly white are quite strong, which is giving the other gangs(read muslim and pakistani) quite a lot of apprehensions about going in the open with their agenda, but they have already made small ghetto areas which are out of limits in some ways for whites and others.There are areas which do have a lot of Pakistanis but its far from being exclusive and I can't think of any streets on the Southside that I would not walk down.

ggk
01-17-2009, 05:39 AM
oh my..... i thought the mod unbanned calanen.....its Adux....again.

Moledet
01-17-2009, 05:41 AM
Europe's problem. They should simply ignore it....................maybe it'll go away.
20 years ago my father did reserve duty in Gaza and the only danger were molotov cocktails and knives in demonstrations and you can see what it is like today.

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-17-2009, 06:11 AM
20 years ago my father did reserve duty in Gaza and the only danger were molotov cocktails and knives in demonstrations and you can see what it is like today.61 years ago my uncle was trying to stop himself being beaten, bombed or abducted and hung from a tree now you can see what it is like today in Israel.p-)

timetraveller
01-17-2009, 06:35 AM
I have lived in Glasgow for sometime, worked as well as studied there! It is sometime before they get on the streets, the difference between glasgow and other cities as far as I have noticed is, the football gangs based on both Rangers and Celtics who are mostly white are quite strong, which is giving the other gangs(read muslim and pakistani) quite a lot of apprehensions about going in the open with their agenda, but they have already made small ghetto areas which are out of limits in some ways for whites and others.


Where in Glasgow then Do you stay? , Can you please state any recent incidents of when Ethier both sets of Supporters have been involved against Asians ?

I wrk in Glasgow and nothing is kept quiet , so better prove hard evidence becaise i smell UBS

Bushranger
01-17-2009, 06:52 AM
Glasgow is simmering underneath if you ask me!


I lived in the UK a few yrs back & i think the whole country is simmering & when & if it does kick off it will go mental.

timetraveller
01-17-2009, 08:04 AM
There are areas which do have a lot of Pakistanis but its far from being exclusive and I can't think of any streets on the Southside that I would not walk down.

Where in Glasgow did you stay ?

Moledet
01-17-2009, 08:48 AM
61 years ago my uncle was trying to stop himself being beaten, bombed or abducted and hung from a tree now you can see what it is like today in Israel.p-)
No sh*t, my grandfather was doing the same thing but was escaping from the Brits that also used to hang people (not from a tree but in the jail's yard), beat people in interrogations, and arrest or as you say abduct people.

R4ND0M
01-17-2009, 09:09 AM
Europe's problem. They should simply ignore it....................maybe it'll go away.
We got bigger problems in Europe then some incompetent brainwashed numbnuts which make less damage then some rotten mascarpone (google it) or something. In the end its just globalism deal with it. We offer a better life and they want it. Yeah there are some crazy *ucks, but most of all its a social problem not religious.

gazell
01-17-2009, 12:46 PM
We got bigger problems in Europe then some incompetent brainwashed numbnuts which make less damage then some rotten mascarpone (google it) or something. In the end its just globalism deal with it. We offer a better life and they want it. Yeah there are some crazy *ucks, but most of all its a social problem not religious.

It is a social, religious and political problem and a much more serious issue than some bad cheese.(if that's what you are referring to)

Not that we have first of all a problem of Jihad, but of bad minority policies in a lot of countries that already suck and they can have real bad consequences on the back of recession.

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-18-2009, 07:14 AM
Where in Glasgow did you stay ?Oh I am not from the city just a little ways down the road on the coast.

Adux
01-18-2009, 03:18 PM
Where in Glasgow then Do you stay? , Can you please state any recent incidents of when Ethier both sets of Supporters have been involved against Asians ?

I wrk in Glasgow and nothing is kept quiet , so better prove hard evidence becaise i smell UBS


They havet, but the idea of united section of thugs on the other side, who are more in number is keeping the asian gangs at bay, I used to live in Candleriggs.

timetraveller
01-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Oh I am not from the city just a little ways down the road on the coast.


Must be loving it looking out on to the Sea ...

timetraveller
01-18-2009, 10:45 PM
They havet, but the idea of united section of thugs on the other side, who are more in number is keeping the asian gangs at bay, I used to live in Candleriggs.

YOU went from saying this below which i have quoted , to saying the Above

Originally Posted by Adux http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3848180#post3848180)
I have lived in Glasgow for sometime, worked as well as studied there! It is sometime before they get on the streets, the difference between glasgow and other cities as far as I have noticed is, the football gangs based on both Rangers and Celtics who are mostly white are quite strong, which is giving the other gangs(read muslim and pakistani) quite a lot of apprehensions about going in the open with their agenda, but they have already made small ghetto areas which are out of limits in some ways for whites and others.
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LMFAO , Your full of it , It sickens me that you would even contemplate saying such rubbish what are you trying achieve?? To create a false impression of Glasgow and the Surrounding Area's to fellow MP.net Members ? That's the Impression i'm getting , And you go on to say Asian's have made Mini Ghetto's areas which you openly say " Out of limits for whites and Others !, What Others are you implying ? Polish , Africans , Turks , Old Age Pensioners ?
You couldn't even name Ten Gangs based on Rangers and Celtic from Never mind Partick Thistle that's because they Don't exist .

Adux
01-19-2009, 12:06 AM
I know where this is going!

Goodbye.

V.I.D.
01-19-2009, 01:22 AM
The Serbs also blamed the CIA for training the KLA.

And U.S. State Dept. had KLA listed as terrorist organization until NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999, so what's your point?