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Ordie
01-17-2009, 03:54 PM
In China, Bush remains a popular president

He is shown in a dozen flattering photographs at a Beijing exhibit marking 30 years of Sino-U.S. diplomatic ties. Many Chinese openly express affection toward Xiao Bush, or 'Young Bush.'
By Barbara Demick

January 15, 2009

Reporting from Beijing — Walk into the exhibit hall at Beijing's Cultural Palace of Nationalities and there is George W. Bush, larger than life on a 15-foot-high video screen, praising China's growth.

The 43rd American president is shown again, waving an American flag with his wife, at the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, and yet again, walking with Chinese President Hu Jintao past an honor guard in the Great Hall of the People.

Bush might be leaving office with record-high disapproval ratings in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world, but he has many fans in China. He is depicted in a dozen flattering photographs on display at an exhibit in Beijing marking the 30th anniversary of diplomatic relations between the two nations.

Contemplating his imminent departure, many Chinese are openly expressing affection toward the man they call Xiao Bush, or "Young Bush," to distinguish him from "Old Bush," the 41st U.S. president.

"Bush made some mistakes in foreign policy, especially with Iraq, but for the Chinese, he had been a true friend," said Mao Baoshu, a retired nuclear specialist who was attending the exhibit Tuesday.

Many Chinese credit the Bush administration's free-trade policies with helping the Chinese economy blossom over the last eight years. They appreciate its efforts to rein in the fiery anti-Beijing rhetoric of former Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian. And Bush's attendance of the opening ceremony of last summer's Olympics, at a time when many world leaders were urging a boycott because of China's human rights record, is viewed with deep gratitude.

"We will never forget that the leader of the most developed country in the world stood up to pressure to come to the Olympics," Mao said.

In fact, China's appreciation of Bush is part of an unlikely romance between the Republican Party and the Chinese Communist Party that dates to President Nixon's historic visit in 1972.

Nixon and Henry Kissinger, who as national security advisor set up the China trip the year before, also are lavishly celebrated in the photo exhibit, which opened Monday. Jimmy Carter, who was president when the treaty to normalize ties was signed in 1979, attended an opening ceremony, as did Kissinger.

Though both Carter and Bill Clinton have places of honor on the walls, the GOP reigns in the display of photographs. One particularly popular image, which frequently appears in the Chinese media, shows George H.W. Bush in 1974, when he was the top U.S. envoy to Beijing, posing casually with a bicycle in front of the Forbidden City.

"Generally, China is a country that likes order and strength," Thomas J. Donohue, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said of the relationship between China and the Republican Party. He was in Beijing this week to speak about the 30th anniversary of normalized ties.

"There is a long story here," Donohue said. "It started with Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon. . . . Then, the relationship with George W. Bush, the current president, was helped by his father and the turmoil around the world after 9/11."

Chinese political scientists also see Sept. 11 as a turning point for the Bush administration's attitudes toward their nation. During the 2000 presidential campaign, Bush described China as a "strategic competitor" and, after taking office, further angered the Chinese by pledging to do whatever it took to defend Taiwan, which is viewed by Beijing as a renegade province.

"Things changed after 9/11. China extended its hand to Bush, promising to support the war on terror," said Shen Dingli, a professor of American studies at Fudan University in Shanghai. He said that Beijing, in return, felt that it had Washington's support for its campaign against Muslim separatists in western China. And even though the Bush administration in October approved a $6.5-billion arms sale to Taiwan, the package excluded U.S.-made submarines, which China had argued were offensive weapons.

"Over time, Bush came to understand that China is a very important friend when it comes to national security interests," Shen said.

China's current fears have more to do with its economy and the perception that Democratic administrations are far more protectionist in their trade policies. Both President-elect Barack Obama and his nominee for secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, criticized China's record on product safety during the primary campaign -- and Obama at one point called for a ban on imports of Chinese-made toys.

"Our fear over Obama is that he will tie human rights, climate changes and so on as conditions for trade policy. That would make China lose face," said Shen.

During the primaries, Obama was not popular in China, and people following the election campaign tended to favor Clinton, his then-rival. But his popularity soared after he won the election, and a Chinese translation of his book "The Audacity of Hope" soared to the top of the bestseller list here.

"The Chinese have a comfort level with predictability. The older generation in China likes the Bush name and also the Clinton name because they are familiar and they are a dynasty," said Russell C. Leong, director of the U.S.-China Media Brief at UCLA, who studied attitudes of students in Beijing toward U.S. elections in the fall. "But the younger people, they go with a winner. They are intrigued by Obama."

Source:http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-uschina15-2009jan15,0,1805373,print.story

WarriorMonk
01-17-2009, 08:33 PM
Well I think he should move there...and save the US some taxpayer money of Secret Service protection...

Bia
01-17-2009, 08:43 PM
Surprisingly... Obama popular among some... some white supremist.
According to them the days of a black man blaming all their woes on Whitey are officially over. If Obama can do it without silver spoons... anyone can.

Kinda odd, but not surprising.

philbob
01-17-2009, 08:55 PM
Surprisingly... he is also popular among some... some white supremist.
According to them the days of a black man blaming all their woes on Whitey are officially over. If Obama can do it without silver spoons... anyone can.

Kinda odd, but not surprising.

So are you comparing the Chinese to white supremist no offense but it kinda makes you sound very ignorant:|

AroundTheCorner
01-17-2009, 09:01 PM
why not making him the new president of china? ha?

non
01-17-2009, 09:04 PM
Our fear over Obama is that he will tie human rights, climate changes and so on as conditions for trade policy.
Bold explains it all.

Bia
01-17-2009, 09:29 PM
So are you comparing the Chinese to white supremist no offense but it kinda makes you sound very ignorant:|
Dont be a fukcing trolling retard.

Someone mentions some Chinese like Bush.
I mentioned another unlikely group likes Obama stupid.


Someone please... put Philbob out of our misery.

philbob
01-17-2009, 09:43 PM
Dont be a fukcing trolling retard.

Someone mentions some Chinese like Bush.
I mentioned another unlikely group likes Obama stupid.


Someone please... put Philbob out of our misery.

you know im right or it would not of generated the response you gave me. You are comparing Rasict white people who dont like Obama to the Chinese people who have a vastly differnet culture then we do and are unsure of his presidency. The fact of the matter is Bush while not popular in western Europe and America especially becuase of the Liberal elite does not wholeully represent what the common world opinion of him is.

And on the note of putting trollz out our misery i find it odd that someone who is always ranting about being the gunny's little girl and frequents a military forum never ever says rest in peace to the fallen service members.

non
01-17-2009, 09:47 PM
you know im right or it would not of generated the response you gave me. You are comparing Rasict white people who dont like Obama to the Chinese people who have a vastly differnet culture then we do and are unsure of his presidency. The fact of the matter is Bush while not popular in western Europe and America especially becuase of the Liberal elite does not wholeully represent what the common world opinion of him is
ehh...what?

philbob
01-17-2009, 09:54 PM
ehh...what?


someone says the Chinese dont have a problem with Bush and are leerry of Obama, Bia responds with that Neo Nazi dont have a problem with Bush and are leery of Obama she is comparing too vastly diffrent groups becuase of her hatred of Bush.

non
01-17-2009, 10:03 PM
someone says the Chinese dont have a problem with Bush and are leerry of Obama, Bia responds with that Neo Nazi dont have a problem with Bush and are leery of Obama she is comparing too vastly diffrent groups becuase of her hatred of Bush.
Okay, got it.
wait...
Nope...lost it.(j/k)
I don't think Bia was saying that Chinese people and white supremacists are synonomous or even similar. That's just how I read her, though.
She's 23 and wearing edible pants. Cut her some slack.p-)

philbob
01-17-2009, 10:05 PM
Okay, got it.
wait...
Nope...lost it.(j/k)
I don't think Bia was saying that Chinese people and white supremacists are synonomous or even similar. That's just how I read her, though.
She's 23 and wearing edible pants. Cut her some slack.p-)


well sence she is wearing edible pants..... what flavor ;)

Shuimo
01-18-2009, 12:37 AM
Yes that is true!
The Chinese in general like Bush.
When speaking of Bush, many guys here recall he has lent China a big helping hand and enough face with his presence at the Beijing Olympics including the Openning Ceremony, given the tense anti-China atmopshere during that time triggered by the Tibetan riot. roflrofl:)

Ordie
01-18-2009, 12:40 AM
Yes that is true!
The Chinese in general like Bush.
When speaking of Bush, many guys here recall he has lent China a big helping hand and enough face with his presence at the Beijing Olympics including the Openning Ceremony, given the tense anti-China atmopshere during that time triggered by the Tibetan riot. roflrofl:)

What is the general feeling in China about the Iraq War and the Bush Doctrine?

Laworkerbee
01-18-2009, 02:09 AM
Not a single mention of the incident with the EP3 and the F-8 off Hainan Island?

If 9\11 had not transpired I always figured relations between the PRC and the US would have taken a real nose dive.

No pun intended,

TheMiddlePath
01-18-2009, 02:18 AM
What is important to China is China's interest.

Under BUSH administration watch.
China got into WTO.
China got 2008 Olympic
China got 8 years of peaceful development due to BUSH's war on terrorism.
China got worldwide influence due to BUSH admin refusal to talk directly to countries such as Sudan, Iran and N Korea.
Bush Admin arrogance pushed many countries such as Venlenzuela, Middle East, Africa and Russia closer to China.
Bush recognised East Turkmanstan as a Terrorist organisation.

Under Clinton China got nothing, not WTO, not the 2000 Olympic, their Embassy in Serbia got bombed on purpose and US AC Kitty Hawk sailed through the Taiwan striat from a position of strenght.

Strange isnt it ? I actually like Clinton more then Bush.

philbob
01-18-2009, 02:31 AM
The Kitty Hawk sailed through the straights just at teh end of 2007 what is ur point. I dont get China haters their gaining strength is nothing to fear the Chinese know that they have nothing to gain by a war with the United States, Japan, Taiwan or India they would rather be wealthy and have there people well fed then get into a pissing contest with us. Anyone who thinks our China policy under Obama will really change is fooling themselves.

but based off what you said and where it says ur loaction is you live in Kuala Lumpur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur) dont you so you live under the posibile limit of the PLA's advanced

philbob
01-18-2009, 02:44 AM
Not a single mention of the incident with the EP3 and the F-8 off Hainan Island?

If 9\11 had not transpired I always figured relations between the PRC and the US would have taken a real nose dive.

No pun intended,

I think you are right

TheMiddlePath
01-18-2009, 03:00 AM
The Kitty Hawk sailed through the straights just at teh end of 2007 what is ur point. I dont get China haters their gaining strength is nothing to fear the Chinese know that they have nothing to gain by a war with the United States, Japan, Taiwan or India they would rather be wealthy and have there people well fed then get into a pissing contest with us. Anyone who thinks our China policy under Obama will really change is fooling themselves


Yes, the Kitty Hawk did sailed through the Taiwan Straits in 2007 but not from a position of strenght. More because they were pissed after China spoit they party. They had to give an explaination to China later too. Saying there was a storm on the East coast of Taiwan.

Back under Clinton, US just said Taiwan Striats is international waters and they have a right to sail through it without any explaination.

philbob
01-18-2009, 03:14 AM
Sailing through the straights reagardless is a showing a postion of strength, wether there is a typhoon or not if we were scared to do that we would of ran with our tail between our legs and tried to get through the storm with out the shelter of the straights the US goverment adn navy didnt fear chinas wrath so they did it anyway. besides The Chinese did revers there postion later and the kitty hawk did goto Hong Kong before she transferd over to the west coast for decomissioning.

But ur fomr Kuala lampur arnt u

brandenvonbeneckendorff
01-18-2009, 04:24 AM
One thing that many Chinese are greatful is that after 9/11, despite lots of backstabbing in terms of geopolitical competition, China and US are working together pretty closely in many areas and when the time was very difficult for China before the olympics, Bush was the one who was consistently behind China unlike some cynical french and other self righteous europeans (who resembles those free palestines ppl we see in Aljazeera: full of PC, moral highground rubbish and with a face full of righteousness~~ caring stuff happening miles away from them)

Also, Bush is funny, he should become a comedian, i bet he will be better than that Frank guy from Madtv who can mimic Bush and bill clinton hilariously. And the poker face of many chinese senior officials are lame comparing with him. I like when he keeps saying the word 'misunderestimate'.

Ordie
01-18-2009, 11:49 AM
With all due respects, for better or worst China has changed in the past 8 years. It was an era of not only of economic growth but also social growth within China. More Chinese have traveled overseas, more Chinese are connected through the internet, and pulled itself together during periods of natural disasters. I give more credit to the Chinese people than its government or president Bush.

President Obama is pragmatic, he knows whats good for the US economically is good for China and vice versa

In regards with Human Rights, the issue will not come from abroad, but from within China. Recently an influential group of Chinese intellectuals had subitted "Charter 08" calling for fundamental reforms. It may or may not gain headway, but the PRC government is concerned.

TheMiddlePath
01-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Sailing through the straights reagardless is a showing a postion of strength, wether there is a typhoon or not if we were scared to do that we would of ran with our tail between our legs and tried to get through the storm with out the shelter of the straights the US goverment adn navy didnt fear chinas wrath so they did it anyway. besides The Chinese did revers there postion later and the kitty hawk did goto Hong Kong before she transferd over to the west coast for decomissioning.

But ur fomr Kuala lampur arnt u

Well a typhoon was a good excuse. After going all the way to Hong Kong and then missing the party, and returning to Japan through the typhoon and getting all seasick would be too much.

And yes, I am from the home of the world tallest Petronas Twin Towers.

And home of the D24 Durian...King of all friuts.

http://i31.tinypic.com/mszwpe.jpg

LazerLordz
01-18-2009, 09:34 PM
Well a typhoon was a good excuse. After going all the way to Hong Kong and then missing the party, and returning to Japan through the typhoon and getting all seasick would be too much.

And yes, I am from the home of the world tallest Petronas Twin Towers.

And home of the D24 Durian...King of all friuts.

http://i31.tinypic.com/mszwpe.jpg

What's the going rate for the D24 per kilo now? Might go up to Muar in a few days. :)

Shuimo
01-18-2009, 11:23 PM
What is the general feeling in China about the Iraq War and the Bush Doctrine?
The general feeling in China as I know is that the Iraq war is a mistake.
What do you mean by Bush's doctrine ?

Shuimo
01-18-2009, 11:25 PM
With all due respects, for better or worst China has changed in the past 8 years. It was an era of not only of economic growth but also social growth within China. More Chinese have traveled overseas, more Chinese are connected through the internet, and pulled itself together during periods of natural disasters. I give more credit to the Chinese people than its government or president Bush.

President Obama is pragmatic, he knows whats good for the US economically is good for China and vice versa

In regards with Human Rights, the issue will not come from abroad, but from within China. Recently an influential group of Chinese intellectuals had subitted "Charter 08" calling for fundamental reforms. It may or may not gain headway, but the PRC government is concerned.
I have to agree with you!~

TheMiddlePath
01-18-2009, 11:48 PM
What's the going rate for the D24 per kilo now? Might go up to Muar in a few days. :)

Ha Ha Ha. A Singaporean driving a German car with RED Singaporean lisence plate ? Start above RM10 a kilo !!!

LazerLordz
01-19-2009, 11:27 AM
Ha Ha Ha. A Singaporean driving a German car with RED Singaporean lisence plate ? Start above RM10 a kilo !!!

Nah, I want the Naza rate. rofl

Atlantic Friend
01-19-2009, 12:05 PM
One thing that many Chinese are greatful is that after 9/11, despite lots of backstabbing in terms of geopolitical competition, China and US are working together pretty closely in many areas and when the time was very difficult for China before the olympics, Bush was the one who was consistently behind China unlike some cynical french and other self righteous europeans (who resembles those free palestines ppl we see in Aljazeera: full of PC, moral highground rubbish and with a face full of righteousness~~ caring stuff happening miles away from them)

So Chinese people like Bush because "despite lots of backstabbing" on important issues Bush was consistently behind China about the Olympics.

Ooh boy. Now I don't know who should feel the most offended by that ! ;)

And gotta love the lump-it-all rant : Europeans Palestinians Al Jazeera Politcal Correctness... Gosh, throw in the Wandering Jew and the 50-year old housewife and I think we have the next Oliver Stone movie.

brandenvonbeneckendorff
01-19-2009, 01:45 PM
So Chinese people like Bush because "despite lots of backstabbing" on important issues Bush was consistently behind China about the Olympics.

Ooh boy. Now I don't know who should feel the most offended by that ! ;)

And gotta love the lump-it-all rant : Europeans Palestinians Al Jazeera Politcal Correctness... Gosh, throw in the Wandering Jew and the 50-year old housewife and I think we have the next Oliver Stone movie.

Well, its not that we don't backstab US, let me get this clear, in international politics, there's no friends as such, only common interests. So we are content that things worked out well enough between US and China. But in the end, there will competitions, but because US is very strong, China should avoid any big confrontations at the moment, but to seek quite diplomacy to maximise our interests.

And, because Bush sucks which is bad for the US, therefore, it cant be a very bad news for China, so to be cynical, I think that's partly the reason why ppl like him.

link16
01-22-2009, 08:17 AM
bill clinton is better in Chinese mind

Ordie
01-22-2009, 08:46 AM
Ironically, it was during President Bush that approved the massive arms sales to Taiwan.

Bill Clinton was and still a very popular figure in China. I wouldn't mind seeing him as ambassidor to Beijing. Given the Hillary is Secretary of State, it would be a conflict of interest.