Road Marching @Home

[digitalghost]

Hey I want to prepare for Basic/AIT/Jump/RIP. I know how to do pushups/situps/run but Im not sure what I need to do Road Marches--

Here are the list/questions etc:

I know that I'll wear a MICH Helmet, Interceptor Armor with Plates, BDUs.

1. What boots? Im guessing the Marine Infantry Boot since it has the Vibram Sierra sole on it compared to the hard Army Leather Combat boot which doesnt have the Vibram Sierra Sole-- Whats used @ Ranger School? They say "Army Leather Combat" but the sole is hard as hell compared to the Vibram Sierra sole-- Perhaps I could have the Army Combat Leather resoled w/ the Vibram Sierra:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/boots.htm

2. LBE - Probably the MOLLEII Vest w/ 6 Real-Steel magazines filled with 5.56 Ammunition-- Should I add more equipment unto the vest?

3. Rucksack - Army issue Large unenhanced ALICE pack. According to Ranger School standards its 35 pounds for summer and 40 pounds for winter. What should I place in the ruck? Sandbags?

Is there anything else I should prepare for Basic/AIT/Jump/RIP?

Thanks,
Digitized Horror

[USAF G]

Dude, I'm pretty sure the DIs will get you squared away on marching. If it was me, going into basic again, I'd concentrate on the fittness (ie push ups, pull ups, sit ups, and most of all the running), and try to be open to my instructors telling me how to take care of the details. It's all about listening, and then applying what they just told you, if you ask me. Of course I went through basic a long, long time ago. :|

[ScoutRanger]

Yeah, dont worry about marching. You have more then enough time to break your back if and when you get there. The best thing you can do is work out and learn the basics. You in the DEP, or do you not even have a contract yet?

[Cpl Stumps]

I'm going to have to agree with USAF G. I would concentrate on more the physical fitness stuff that he laid out. Going and putting all that stuff on and trying to march yourself might seem like a good idea but eventually you'll quit when you think you've had a enough. But in Boot you don't quite until the DI feels you've had enough and that's usually far beyond the point at which you would have like to have stopped. Along with the P.T. I suggest you stretch well before exercising. If you really want to improve cardio wise then find a hill and run wind sprints up it, start with two and work up to a higher number. My 2 cents.

[GLax]

just a thought, i'm leaving sometime around October or November, dont know yet i was supposed to leave July 10 (11x) but i had hand surgery (broken hand) y dont u do some weight training? i lift with the local high school football team around here. dont go crazy and throw 365 pounds on a squat rack (assuming u never lifted before) just do some stuff that will build up muscle endurance, less weight more repititions that kind of stuff, running always helps to, make sure u time urself or else u wont work as hard, 6:00 minutes a mile is an ok start and 5:30 is a real good time. and like everbody else said, work on the pushups and situps... i dont know the exact numbers but your recruiter can tell u what a perfect score on the pt test is so try and achieve that... and good luck!

[digitalghost]

thanks guys-- armyranger.com guys say not to weight lift and stuff and get used to lots of pushups/situps/running etc. do you'll prep your body up for that kind of stress-- but hell i'd like to build lots of muscle so Im not a skinny lightweight 125pound guy anymore http://www.skinnyguy.net yes im sure its an awesome program for us skinny guys heh-- (Im not short though im 5'8.5" thats 1.5" shorter tahn average 18 year old american) Yes i may pump iron in conjuction with armys APFT and Road Marching

basic's road marching is done without armor which is kinda UNrealistic; soldiers in afghanistan said:


With just the [Interceptor hard body armor] vest and [Enhanced Tactical Load Bearing Vest or the MOLLE vest] lbv we were easily carrying 80 lbs. Throw on the ruck and your sucking.

All personnel involved hated the lbv its so constricting when you wear it with the vest, then when you put a ruck on it cuts off even more circulation.

I would also recommend wearing the body armor during all training, I doubt if we'll ever fight without it again.

http://www.geocities.com/usarmyafghangearproblems/

I also would certainly not want to be one of these guys:


We all know of the "jack rabbits" who can run two miles under 12 minutes, but who turn into "slugs" when you put a heavy load with useful equipment on them.

AFGHANISTAN, 2002

The U.S. Army's official After-Action Review for recent Operation Anaconda combat concludes:

"O: The terrain and altitude make combat in mountains extremely physically demanding. D: Units need to get away from the normal PT routines before deploying to the mountains. Pushups, sit-ups and 5-mile runs will not prepare Soldiers. They need to have the ability to spend time in the mountains to physically adapt to the terrain and altitude. Soldiers were not used to steeper slopes and wasted time and energy. LL: Emphasis on ruck marches (6-8 mile) with heavy loads. Cardiovascular training, strength and mountain walking techniques need to be stressed. Subject matter experts (SME’s) need to give blocks of instruction on even the basics of mountain walking techniques."

I struggled under the weight of my 78-pound rucksack as I moved slowly up the hillside. It was the third and final day of a 48-mile escape and evasion exercise. I had divided my unit into small four-man groups for the exercise. I knew that this exercise was going to be hard on my Soldiers, but I figured that they could do it because we had just taken an APFT the week before and the unit average was 279. I glanced over my shoulder at two of my Soldiers. One was doing extremely well on the long movement. The other one was having more difficulty. Remembering that the second Soldier scored better on the APFT than the first, I wondered why the second Soldier was having problems. At the next break, I walked over to the struggling Soldier and jokingly said that this was a lot harder than the PT test. He replied that this was hard and that he thought that he needed to do more ruck marches to get use to carrying the heavy weight. At that point, I realized that I needed to change my physical training program to mirror the challenges that my unit would face in combat and get away from training for the PT test.

http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/apft.htm

He needed to do more ruck marches to get used to the weight? I want to already be used to the weight so I'll be better able to do the job ;)

[Royal]

You'll do plenty on yomping (ruck marching) in basic, airborne school and if you get that far RIP.

As I've said before, concentrate on basic CV fitness, upper body strength (but don't pack on muscle for the sake of it - you'll only have to carry the extra weight). And most importantly attitude adjustment - your attitude is what will get you through. 1% are flyers who make everything look easy - trust me you ain't one of them, the rest of the sucessfull ones are they 'grey men' who hack it, stay quiet and learn.

[digitalghost]

Well if I start at basic I believe I will have a difficult time getting used to it up to the time Im assigned to an infantry unit-- I want to be able to go through the "difficult" process at home then ace marches when Im in the Army-- Its just like running to me

[Royal]

Your funeral.

You'll spend enough of your career (if you have one) injured as it is....

[digitalghost]

What are you talking about? I'll have a less hard time ruck marching in the Army if I already trained for it at home.

This can be compared to running. I'd have less trouble with running speed and endurance in the Army if I trained at home before I signed up.

[Royal]

Learn to walk before you can run.

Learn to run (20k +) and sort your CV fitness out before you risk more injuries running with weights

[digitalghost]

Yes I'll of course run first and road march months later- In fact I dont believe I can even afford the $1500+ equipment to road march-- Im giong to get the new Army PT uniform though for running

[GLax]

even if u could afford the $1500 equipment, why would you? seems kinda silly to try and predict what theyre going to make u do when/if u get there.

[Chris1]

Well if I start at basic I believe I will have a difficult time getting used to it up to the time Im assigned to an infantry unit-- I want to be able to go through the "difficult" process at home then ace marches when Im in the Army-- Its just like running to meRoyal has given you the best advice you will get. Listen to him.
It will probably be the toughest part of your training and if you go into it with the opinion 'this is going to be a piece of piss I did a few miles before I joined'
You're going to fail.
I say that without any hint of doubt.
Prepare, yes
Go in thinking you're going to ace though it and I guarantee you will be the first to drop out during those marches
I (and probably so has Royal) have seen it happen.

[digitalghost]

Yes but if you check out the photos you'll see them having Interceptor Armor with plates, boots, bdus, helmet, weapon, etc. and of course the RUCK SACK. Now the question is how much does THE rucksack weigh? http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/apft.htm recommends 30-35 pounds for a maximum speed of 5-7 miles per hour:


Solder's Load Realistic March Speed Attainable
_________________________________________
0-30 pounds.............................5-7 mph
30-40 pounds...........................4 mph
40-50 pounds...........................3 mph
50-70 pounds...........................2 mph
70+..........................................1 mph or less (barely move)

http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/combatjump.htm

Also check this out:


you must do the three miles in less than 30 minutes or 6 miles in 60 minutes for a speed of six miles per hour or better. A tangible goal. A lot of people wail about the "Soldier's Load" problem but do not do anything more than offer a band aid solution of telling leaders not to overload their men. There has to be a yardstick to prove one way or another if men are overloaded or not. If they cannot move at 6 mph with their battle gear they are not "all that they can be". If they cannot even maintain 1-2 mph they are overloaded, not properly conditioned for COMBAT or both.

http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/apft.htm

That 30 pounds is realistic-- The Army's "Ranger School" considered one of the toughest if not THE toughtest Army schools Road Marching standard is 35 pounds in summer and 40 in winter:


Day 5 of RAP completes this segment of training...which is topped off with a 12-mile tactical foot march at a minimum rate of 15 minutes per mile with either a 40-pound rucksack in the winter or a 35-pound rucksack in the summer.

http://www.armyranger.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=78

So I think I may have got the weight pretty much right

[digitalghost]

Royal has given you the best advice you will get. Listen to him.
It will probably be the toughest part of your training and if you go into it with the opinion 'this is going to be a piece of piss I did a few miles before I joined'
You're going to fail.
I say that without any hint of doubt.
Prepare, yes
Go in thinking you're going to ace though it and I guarantee you will be the first to drop out during those marches
I (and probably so has Royal) have seen it happen.

Lets say I get in and think im superman-- Then I find out im not-- The question is-- Will I quit/fail/give up? I'll die before I quit-- Im just saying I'll prbably do better than if I hadnt trained for Road Marching-- And who would not agree that it's not a bad idea ;)

[Nawlins]

I don't think anyone's actually clearly stated this, though some have hinted at it. By all means, do all the cardio you can before going, even some weight training, but I don't think many people would advise rucking on your own before Basic.

Why? Throwing on a 65 lb. pack and jogging in boots is a fast way to get yourself injured. Shin splints, pulled muscles, back/knee injury, especially if you haven't been trained first. And if you injure yourself beyond repair, which is possible, AFAIK you won't be going to Basic. Once you're in they'll take care of you if you get injured, but avoiding it beforehand is probably a good idea. You want to get there whole.

I'm not in the military, this is just what I know from talking to/knowing various people who are in. Those of you who are in, please correct me if I've misspoken.

Digital, take care of yourself and good luck.

[digitalghost]

Ahh yes thanks for your insight-- I guess I'll have to educate myself on injury prevention and first aid then-- Then it would only be natural to first start off with a light ruck then increase the weight as the weeks go by just like increasing running distance-- I know an Army recruiter in my city thats an Infantry Platoon Leader he'll probably be able to help me with it hes cool as hell

[duck]

It is necessary to at least get the feeling of what hauling a full load in a rucksack ( +weapon/s, possible communications gear, combat vest etc.) actually is like. That first road march in the military is an experience to remember, at first you are barely able to stand up with your load and then it's off into the woods. Maybe for a week or two.

[digitalghost]

Well I don't like the idea of FAILURE-- Especially if we're talking about the Ranger Regiment-- How does one prevent failure? By preparing ones self to be ready for the challenges ahead-- Once I have done lots of 12 miles road marches I'll have a higher success rate and am not as likely to fail-- Having that "advantage" is a definite plus

[Nawlins]

Ahh yes thanks for your insight-- I guess I'll have to educate myself on injury prevention and first aid then-- Then it would only be natural to first start off with a light ruck then increase the weight as the weeks go by just like increasing running distance-- I know an Army recruiter in my city thats an Infantry Platoon Leader he'll probably be able to help me with it hes cool as hell

You're welcome. And I would say it's probably a good idea to talk to a few people who are already in... I know that's what you're doing here but find a few near you and talk to them in person as well. Maybe they can help you train a bit before you go.

[digitalghost]

Exellent.

I'll work on the following:

Primary

APFT - Various Pushups/Various Situps/Various Pullups/5 Mile Run in 40 mins

Secondary

BFPT - 12 Mile Road Marches w/ ruck----- also Speed Marching and sprinting with full combat gear excluding ruck

Weight Lifting - http://www.skinnyguy.net I HATE being lightweight anyone else lightweight? Im 125 as light as the average female I should be 144-- Someone said something about building muscle becuase its useless and its just added weight--- Thats a negative-- More muscle = More strength--- A guy with lots of muscle could probably carry the new M240 Medium Machine gun better than the guy who doesnt lift weights-- Besides my aesthetic qualities would dramatically improve also

[duck]

Don't forget about nutrition. You need, first of all, enough water ( or tea etc. ) and something nutritious to eat during rucking. I was using sugar pills on longer marches, you get a energy spike for some 30 minutes or so when you really feel exhausted. But a "normal" meal is also important, otherwise you are wearing your body down. Drink and eat carefully, do not indulge yourself at any time and rest a while after eating.

[digitalghost]

Mmmm MREs come to mind-- I bet someone could live off of MREs wouldnt that be weird? Heh cost ya $5.80 per meal(just like fast food) $70 for 12 meals $500 a month

[digitalghost]

And be careful at night. Naturally, don't cross back and forth on a road when it's not a good idea. Be careful, drivers these days... Just kidding, most are pretty good. Not like the drivers twenty years ago were much better. Anyways, have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

I wonder if its legal to do Road Marches in town? I'll have to contact the police-- Otherwise I'm going to find myself driving to a park and doing it where lots of "bad people" are there making illegal transactions if you know what i mean wink ;) wink-- Hey at least I know my Armor and Plates would stop pistol rounds to 7.62 AK47 rounds :D

[Duke]

...Hey at least I know my Armor and Plates would stop pistol rounds to 7.62 AK47 rounds.
Do us a favor: leave the body armor at home.

[digitalghost]

If you think about it its a win-win situation for both of tus-- No one likes to work hard all thier life achieving goals(I HATE IT) I belive you would actually cut me a break by attempting an assasination and I would cut you a communicational break---- Permanent breaks for both of us-- Thats waht we need-- You would do me a favour rather than a diservice

[FallenAngel]

all the above advice is good but I feel I much mention something.

Don't worry too much about muscle. You say you're like 5'8" and 125 lbs? Hmm....definately want to beef up a bit, but the thing you REALLY want to go for is endurance. If you become a gorilla with a glorified brain and can lift 200lbs, then you're going to tire out REAL quick. Some of the first guys to drop out of BUD/S are the really huge guys. Endurance over a long period of time is much more important than anything else. Be able to march to hell and back and then to the chow hall and then to the barracks, etc etc.

That comes from being very fit and repetition. EG- doing your marching for three or four times the distance WITHOUT any equipment vs. doing a set distance with all the equipment would be cheaper and more benifitial IMO.

First, just try walking around town. See how far you can go without really stopping. Next time...go a half mile or something further. The third time, go another half mile further. etc.

[digitalghost]

Exellent idea.

I coudlnt get a ride back home one day and was marching home with my casual sneakers and light backpack and I was exhausted once I got home 2-3 miles away. Good idea to go from light to heavy-- Gradual weight increase :)

[Beowulf]

Everytime you ruck or sprint with gear on you're increaing your chance of injury, that's not to say that it's not good training but make sure that you're in good shape before you do it.

If you're in good enough shape and want to "get ahead of the game" so to speak then buy a standard Alice pack, don't worry about all that other crap. Just a standard alice pack.

Get a good pair of boots (if you want more info just ask)

Take care of your feet ("" just ask)

Start off with low weight something you feel comfortable with, try and figure out how best to comfortably wear the ruck (everyone says something different the only real way is personal experience) try to keep the weight "centered" That's the only word I can think of to try and describe what i mean, otherwise you'll put more stress on one side or on
leg etc.

The minimum requirement in my unit (one of those stupid non-direct action units...) is 60-65lbs plus water, plus rifle, 10k in under 2 hrs. That's the minimum qualification ruck.
Enjoy

Oh and if you want go check out the lightfighter forums for good boots and you can search, JUST SEARCH!! (disregard at own peril), over at Socnet they have lots of good training info.
-b

[Beowulf]

I usually carry it high, but that makes the straps tighter, kinda around the arms and so I have to lower it down just a little. Or I'll loosen one strap at a time.

At basic I think I remember them saying high, i would say high or mid, really kinda depends on the person.

All Best
beowulf

[GLax]

these are all great suggestions i'm assuming, but does anybody see the rediculousness (word?) here? the guy hasnt even been through basic yet, and he's 5'8, 125 pounds, ur just gonna hurt your back or somethin man, tall and skinny doesnt exactly give u any leeway... wait till basic so u can learn how to do it rite, even if you know a platoon leader, he's still not a DI and just because he was trained in infantry doesnt qualify him to train you how to do it. i'm not tryin to be a ****ehead here, but searching for training methods to get through Ranger school on the internet is kind of stupid. lets consider, you dont actually know any of these guys (take no offence) or if any of them even went through military training to be giving you any good advise to begin with. there are ways to prepare but you should just concentrate on getting through basic first and doing a good job there... worry about RIP when you know thats where your going, then i'm sure by then you'll know what it is that you need to work on

[digitalghost]

GLax: No offense taken buddy-- Your post was legit-- However I think my plans/intentions are sound and that it may work-- I mean how badly could I get injured? I'll start of light just walking happily with my helmet/armor/vest/boots and with a light ruck starting with the standard 35 pounds (i put 35 pounds in my book bag and it was nothing) and go from there I dont think it would be so bad if you think about it--

[Ratamacue]

Mmmm, tasty...

[GLax]

i gotta stick with Tane Angle on this one, i'm not tryin to dicourage you from training and stuff, just dont hurt yourself before it actually matters is all i'm really saying... and hey, ask Robert Edwards (American football player) all he was doin was havin a little fun playin beach football that meant nothing to anybody and he almost had to get his leg amputated, freak accidents happen man, just be careful

[SABER 2-3]

BROTHERMAN,
Go back and read BEOWULFS post. Just get a used large ruckack w/a frame and a brand new pair of all leather army issue combat boots w/ NO MODIFICATIONS. Learn what it takes to make those boots feel like tennis shoes (it is a science) and learn how to take care of your feet. Start rucking light weight for short distance and slowly build up. Start drinking insane amounts of warm water from canteens, stop eating anything that comes in a wrapper, stop chewing gum and learn to make a bed w/ military corners. If you are an active teenager the PT and lack of sleep should be natural. Dont worry about RANGER school you will have to pass the REGIMENTAL PRE-RANGER course prior to attending.

[martinexsquaddie]

Sabers right they won't let you wear go faster gear in Basic. Concontrate
on on lots of press ups etc and running . You can prepare your Body but your mind is in for a BiG SHOCK when you get to Basic training Keep your mouth shut even if you think you know better unless you like extra pressups :lol: . I once pointed a Cpl got some point or other wrong. I got 50 extra press ups Later the Cpl checked his facts realized he was wrong gave me 50 press ups up for being a smart ass and the rest of the squad 50 for laughing and an extra 50 for not Spotting his mistake :D.
The one thing the staff really really hate is someone who thinks they know it all unless you realy enjoy giving yourself a hard time keep your mouth shut.

[digitalghost]

THanks the for tips guys-- I'll find out all kinds of safety precautions before starting any Road Marching

[SABER 2-3]

DO IT RIGHT...
When your rucking ensure that you are drinking a min. of 1 qt. of water per hour, on very hot days increase this to every half hour. Make sure that you get a reflective traffic vest attatched or thrown over your ruck. Take long even and flowing strides only run or shuffle for short amounts of time (i.e. 1 telephonepole to the next) or when you are not going to make a time hack. Treat all foot problems right away, on the side of the road if poss. Change your socks and powder your feet at periodic way-points or as needed. Learn how to use moleskin it will be your best tool. Try to incorporate Land Nav. into your road marchs, make them cross country some of the time. Take tour pace-count in all conditions. Land Nav. will take your mind of walking(kinda) and is difficult for most to master any way (work smarter not harder). Any questions.

[Seraphim]

Ya the body armor thing might be illegal aswell. But I am pretty sure that it is illegal to be dressed as a military personell. Its just like dressing as a cop...you will be charged with impersonation of military personell. I read it when it was halloween. But I guess when its holloween you can dress up as pretty much anything. Plus marching around town in full combat gear looks pretty stupid. Run across the wrong person and they will mug you of all your 2thousand plus gear.

[digitalghost]

Learn how to use moleskin it will be your best tool.

How does that work?


Ya the body armor thing might be illegal aswell. But I am pretty sure that it is illegal to be dressed as a military personell. Its just like dressing as a cop...you will be charged with impersonation of military personell. I read it when it was halloween. But I guess when its holloween you can dress up as pretty much anything

Not if I'm marching in a park-- I have this park about 1 mile away that I can drive to with a nice paved road right in the middle of the woods looks just like the one in "Best Ranger Challenge" that would be exellent for road marches/5mile runs etc. Only problem is I would feel lonely/alone/companionless/desolated/g*dforasken/isolated/lonesome if I can't get anyone to march w/ me :(


Plus marching around town in full combat gear looks pretty stupid. Run across the wrong person and they will mug you of all your 2thousand plus gear.

No one would see me in the park except a few random hikers/yogadudes/paintballers/bikers which is very uncommon--- Or I could wear 100% cotton khaki-colored BDUs and not look too militarized

[Beowulf]

hey buddy I'll march with you, bring all you gear and tell me where to meet you.....
-b

[digitalghost]

yea thats a nice one-- you may take that opportunity to seek revenge (which you have been waiting so long for) upon me--

[Beowulf]

revenge??, I just want some free gear, you don't need body armor anyway...

[digitalghost]

You're SF right? You get SPEAR Armor which is supposedly better than the infantry issue Infantry Interceptor which I may wear--- Hell if you're SF you could even buy the Paraclete RAV and actually wear it--- I heard infantry isn't allowed to buy/wear their own armor

Also, what boots should I wear for Road Marching? Ranger School only allows Combat Leather and Jungle-- Which do they wear for Road Marching? Im guessing the Combat Leather but I may be wrong--- Combat Leather sucks btw the sole needs resoled to the Vibram Sierra like the Marine Infantry boot(Which Marines are allowed wearing to RSchool) ironic aint it

[Ichhabe]

what is the longest distance you ever walked in your life?

You see, I cannot for the love of my life understand the obsession you show in to put on to you a ton of heavy equipment that is also uncomfortable to even just stand still in?!?

First thing you do tomorrow; Jump out of bed!
Have a nice shower!
Have a good breakfast!
Rest a little!
Put on regular shorts, a T-shirt and
nice sneakers!
Fill up some bottles of water, put'em in your
rucksack, or backpack.
Walk in any God given direction you like.
Walk for one hour in a speed like as if your
were in a hurry.

Okay! You have now walked quite fast for one hour. Did you have fun? Are you tired? Can you go on for another hour? Do you want to go on for another hour?

Remember, you also have to walk home to you where you live.

What I am trying to say is; Start easy. If you cannot swim, you do not start out in the deep section of a swimmingpool. Go easy in the start. Do not put on heavy gear for more than short distances.

I read that you had put about 35 lbs. in your backpack , and claimed it was not that heavy. Try to walk fast for just ten minutes with that load. Still think it is not heavy? Bet $ 10 that you change your mind.

Good luck with the training, hope to see you on the front cover of Stars and Stripes :D

[ibstolidude]

hey DIGITAL you want the bet advice I canoffer to get in US Army SOF?

- Shut the hell up! - that is the best advice I can give - even if you think you know it - chances are you don't - even if you think you know where you are and no one else does - you are wrong. Even if you once read in book - don't open your mouth. If a guy once told you - then ignore it.

SHUT UP and become the gray man - the last to sit the first to get up and the last to quit - it will make up for skills you lack
Even if you are the fastest, the strongest and the smartest - if you are a ****, or shoot down others ideas or a whiner/bitcher you will get the boot or be peer'ed out.

[Gordon]

Only problem is I would feel lonely/alone/companionless/desolated/g*dforasken/isolated/lonesome if I can't get anyone to march w/ me :(

Awww .... diddums will feel lonely 'cos he's got no one to march with him .... sure that kind of attitude will get your army carreer well on the road.

[digitalghost]

Hey I dont appreaciate the negativity; I'd have those message(s) deleted if I was a moderator-- Instead of such negativity you could've been "nicer" about it

[Gordon]

Sorry if you thought I was being nasty .... was just having a laugh.

All the best for training.

[digitalghost]

It wasnt you Gordon

[Haiw]

digitalghost...get real.... u wanna start marching with 35 pounds and at 12 km lengths? boy u got a long way ahead, especially when u just admitted u were exhausted after just a few miles walking back home when u cudnt get a ride.... about the weight; yea 35 pounds aint much....except when u gotta carry it a long time and while on the move. so when u'r gonna train with weight on ur back, build it up... start at 10 pounds or so and work ur way up. same with the marching. otherwise when u suddenly 'start high' u'll find out ur body aint really up to such a sudden task, and might screw up ur body in sucha way that u cant train for days, weeks or even months (believe me, i've got some bad experiences with this :()...so my advise to u; keep it real, and one step at a time...

[Piccolo]

Hey I dont appreaciate the negativity; I'd have those message(s) deleted if I was a moderator-- Instead of such negativity you could've been "nicer" about it

Heres a news flash for ya; you Aren't. If you can't take any negative comments you won't make it far in life. As of now you seem to have the attitude of a 5 year old child. You only care about yourself, and you get your feelings hurt very easily.

[Gordon]

For real ... if you're get annoyed with people having a go at you over the internet I hate to imagine the effect the nasty DI will have at BASIC.

[digitalghost]

Telling somoene what I dont appreaciate and what should be expected in a forum isnt wrong-- Everyone prefers a happy freindly courteous environment.

Disrespecting a Drill Instructor would be wrong.

2 Entirely different environments/situations.

[Trigger]

Digitaladam: You need money for airsoft - remember?
Digitaladam: You need a green card to join the U.S. Armed Forces - remember?
Digitaladam: You need to take your anti-psychosis meds - remember?
I'm just trying to help you remember.

[digitalghost]

Im aware of that and feeling guilty for not doing that at the moment--- But what can I say I dont feel so good :oops:

[SABER 2-3]

[quote] Learn how to use moleskin it will be your best tool.



MOLESKIN,
Moleskin is a product that acts as a second layer of skin. The application of this great product has spurred many a debate. My recommendation to you is to seek out a REAL OPERATOR locally to help you learn how to apply and how to deal w/ blisters in general. If you come up dry you may recontact me.

[Beowulf]

here's a good link:

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26584&highlight=feet

[martinexsquaddie]

I got this from the Seal physical fitness Manual
I'll gadly email it to you but it is a 15.8mb download you can get it off Imesh just type in fitness
to start practicing to laod carry start with 20% of body weight and do 5 miles once a week increase by 5% of body weight every 2 weeks.

A regime to stay fit to hump 40% of body weight 10 miles
minimum needed
3 to 4 days running 30mins a day
upper and lower body weight training twice a week
one load carry session once a week