Arab-Muslim terrorists, Wrap em in bacon!

[born_to_love]

How would YOU like to be an Israeli soldier trying to ward off Arab-Muslim terrorism when you're fighting against an enemy more than willing to die? In fact, they can't wait to die!
It's true that many sacrifice themselves in order to enter Muslim Paradise. These brainwashed jihadists actually believe that their deaths will assure them a one-way ticket (or key) to heavenly pleasures.

Yet there are others... most others, in fact... who don't need special encouragement to murder Jews. Most don't blow themselves up out of any desperate hopelessness but out of a demonic hatred that is so deep that they are willing to give their lives for the pleasure of mass murdering innocent civilians. They may think they're fighting for a just cause but, in fact, their cause is NOT just at all. They are NOT suffering. They are NOT desperate... other than desperate to murder. In short, these Arab-"Palestinian" thugs prove nothing other than that they are savages and fascist barbarians!



So what can civilized and righteous armies do against Muslim fanatics who don't mind taking a quick ride along the Allah Express to oblivion? Perhaps an example was set, not by an Israeli soldier, but by a certain American, General John "Black Jack" Pershing.

General Pershing was in charge of a U.S. garrison in the Philippines in 1911. It seems his soldiers were subjected to a series of terror attacks by Filipino Muslims. Pershing did not try to put together a "road map." Nor did he set up study groups to find out why the Muslims hated the Americans. Nor did he offer them a series of "good will gestures." Nor did he put up a giant wall to keep them out. Instead, he captured fifty of those Muslim terrorists. He then had them dig their own graves. He then tied all up to posts execution style. He then dipped fifty bullets in pig's blood. You see, Muslims murders may not have a problem with soaking their hands into Jewish blood but NO WAY do they want anything to do with the skin, blood or 'guts' of a pig. Should they be contaminated by any of these pig parts, they will go to Muslim Hell, not Muslim Paradise!

And so, on the count of three, all but one of those Paradise-seeking Islamists were shot dead! Their bodies were them wrapped in the skins of freshly-killed pigs and dropped into the giant hole. Above them were poured the entrails and other porcine remains. You may ask, "Why was one Muslim spared?" The answer is simple. This sole surviving Muslim was released and sent back to his fellow 'mujahedin' to report what he had just witnessed. For the next 42 years there was not a single Muslim attack!


http://masada2000.com/Pershing2.jpg

[AirZone]

Amen to that... :lol:


and Ari.. we dont care whats your opinion :roll:

[Midtown]

I LIKE IT!

[Javehn]

What the fuсk is that , btk , excuse me for asking ? Well , British can do what he wants , and we do what we think is right (And I can fuсk the rest of the world who think they are the best in the world) , and act better then animals (if you act like an animal , you are any better then animal ) . So , arividerchi. :roll:

[Javehn]

Fuking double post .... :roll:

[born_to_love]

Its called double standard


The Romans in full view of the crowds in the Coliseum were going to feed a Jew to the lions. They dug a hole five feet deep, put in the Jew standing up and buried him to his neck, so that only his head was above ground. They then let out the lion that was starved for two days. The lion with his mouth drooling went straight for the Jew and circled his prey before eating it. When it got close, the Jew bit it. It yelped and ran away. From the stands of the Coliseum, someone screamed, "Jew, Fight Fair!"
That Roman now sits in the State Department and the United Nations and every time Israel offers any half-hearted response to an attack on Jewish civilians, he keeps reiterating, "Israel is using excessive force---Jew, Fight Fair!"

What do they want from us? When Joseph's Tomb was ransacked, the yeshiva and synagogue burned to the ground, Jewish holy books desecrated, and Jews barred entry to this holy site, Israel set up a roadblock. Someone from the Coliseum screamed "Jew, Fight Fair!"

When Arabs tried to kill Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall and banned Jews from visiting the Temple Mount, the site of the JEWS' first and second Temples, Israel again set up roadblocks, and someone from the Coliseum again screamed "Jew, Fight Fair!" Jews still can't go to Joseph's Tomb or on the Temple Mount and Israel still resorts to roadblocks and that someone is still screaming "Jew, Fight Fair!"

What do they want from us? When a sniper intentionally targets a baby and kills Shalhevet Pass in cold blood, Israel destroys a few buildings. From the Coliseum, someone screams "Jew, Fight Fair!"

A family driving home from Jerusalem was targeted; the mother and father shot to death and children seriously injured, and Israel "retaliated" by setting up an army lookout at the spot. This lame response only drew a louder "Jew, Fight Fair!!"

Two boys were exploring a canyon on the side of their town when they were beaten, tortured for hours, their faces and heads bashed in so that they were unrecognizable and their bodies mutilated mercilessly. In retaliation, Israel hunted down the leaders that gave the order to commit this atrocity, and the Coliseum is roaring with "Jew, Fight Fair!!"

In contrast, the U.S. sent over a thousand armed law enforcement officers in with heavy equipment and killed, instead of arresting, the Branch Davidians of WACO. Janet Reno admitted it, but called it a mere "show of force." In retaliation for the undisputed excessive force in WACO there was a bombing in Oklahoma. Soon they will be executing the Oklahoma bomber, Timothy McVeigh.

Yet those bombers that exploded buses and marketplaces in Israel's major cities---Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Hadera, Petach Tikvah---go free. While Israel's streets are strewn with scattered body parts, Israel blows up some vacant buildings and sets up yet more roadblocks. The State Department considers that excessive force and George Mitchell and his "Report" screams "Jew, Fight Fair!"

You know what they want from us? They want us to react to the Arab murderers the same way that we did to the Nazis who tortured, mutilated, and killed over six million of us. Do NOTHING! We are too civilized to respond directly to the intentional slaughter of children and we even applaud granting the Nobel Prize to the killer of the Ma'alot children and numerous other women and children.


(Maybe THIS is how they want us to fight fair?)

No, we Jews are civilized and after the Arabs kill the last Jew in Israel we are expected to collect money to make yet another memorial dedicated to the memory of murdered Jews THIS TIME at the hands of fanatic Arabs with genocide on their minds. If we do anything to avert this second Holocaust upon Jews, someone from the Coliseum will scream..."JEW, FIGHT FAIR!"

.* * *

When the State of Israel came into existence in 1948, its leadership proclaimed she would become "The Light Unto All Nations" ... taken right out of the Old Testament's Book of Isaiah 42:6 & 49:6. They should have known better! Nations exist for self-preservation but certainly NOT to show the way to other nations! And whenever a Nation sets herself up as a model which she can not possibly ALWAYS live up to, the world will never stop hounding her.
Israel lives in a fanatical neighborhood in which the surrounding Arabs Nations are bent on her total annihilation. The Jewish people have paid their dues and it's time to extinguish that Light. It's time to start behaving like normal people who recognize their enemy and start fighting Fire with Fire. Let THAT be their NEW Light!

[born_to_love]

http://masada2000.com/rantisi-bacon.jpg
http://masada2000.com/bacon-yassin.jpg

[Javehn]

I like this double standart , or whatever . You know why ? It makes me know that I am better then Ariweiner , or Geeza . I do what I know it's right , and **** everybody else , they can think about me whatever the **** they luck . History will judge me and us ,and history is the best reffery .


When you grow up , you will understand that , btk ;)

[obd]

Yeah but here is the problem. These "Mujahideen" were fighting American imperialism...... I hate to break it to you, but here in the United States, if you were to take a college level U.S. history class, you would learn the rather dirty side of American imperialism in the Phillipines (not to mention other areas of Asia).........In fact, the only saving grace that we have with today's Phillipino's is that we retook it from the even more hates Japanese during WW2...........Just so you know.......

While that insident might have halted Muslum attacks effectively, it did little to increase the Phillipno's love of America....in fact it turned into a simering hatred that still exists today despite the fact the American and Phillipino people cooperated fairly well during WW2 to expell the Japs........

[EvanL]

Yes let us do this.
:cantbeli:
You would have to be both mental and retarded to believe that this type of behaviour would do us any good.
the only reason it did work back then, was because there werent the media outlets that there are now to help get the story out.
Try doing this now, and watch the muslims line up in every country in the mid-east, strap a bomb on themselves and march towards israel or any other area where theres non-muslims in the mideast. Then eventually it will hit Europe and North America.
Yeh do this idea, and all i would say is, Thank you. Thank you for signing away our freedom.

[Fargin]

...

[obd]

Remmember all the protests in the Phillipines back after 9/11 when US Special Forces were first publicly sent to the Phillipines??? Many of those protestors were not Muslums. They were Christians...You see, I have an uncle who owns a buisness in the Phillipines and he has been living there on and off since before I was born and he knows very well the peoples views on the American government.......Why do you think the protestors were there against only a few Special Forces showing up to help them? Why wernt they happy? Why were Christians and Muslums united in protest? ANSWER: because of the history of US imperialism that killed thousands of Phillipino people.........

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......

So hopefully, these Green Berets will do much to repair our tarnished image.......tarnished by people like General Pershing who may have won a battle but lost the long term war to win hearts and minds and probably did more to hurt us than help us!!!!!

[S'13]

Even if we did do this, it wouldn't be long untill some Sheikh will make a religious ruling saying it doesn't matter if the so called "Shahid" was coverd with pig's skin or pig's blood...

[EvanL]

Even if we did do this, it wouldn't be long untill some Sheikh will make a religious ruling saying it doesn't matter if the "Shahid" was coverd with pig's skin or pig's blood...
Why would u even want to do it?

[aktarian]

Interesting idea. If that doesn't work drag some muslims from the car, chop them to pieces and hang them from nearest bridge. If that dosn't work shoot some and drag their bodies through streets in full view of cameras. It worked in Faluja and Mogadishu..... :roll:

[EvanL]

Not to go off-topic with such a well thought out and interesting topic. but how the hell has born to love, aka born_to_kill, not been banned again?
he was banned before and came back. I believe tyhat is a bannable offence.

[Javehn]

btk dude , grow up man ... :roll:

[Fargin]

It worked in Faluja and Mogadishu..... :roll:

and America

[EvanL]

btk dude , grow up man ... :roll:
Thank you.
He needs a fellow Israeli to tell him off.

[memphiz]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4760/bacon-yassin.jpg

[seventy6er]

LOL rofl

[EvanL]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4760/bacon-yassin.jpg
woah
he actually looks better that way

[One?]

you must be realy fuked up to think that would stop anything. If that worked then attacks on israelis would have stopped 10 years ago.

racist POS.

[DPGLAW]

I really Like this General Pershing. I think that all these raghead terrorists in Guantonomo, Bagram AFB, Iraq, or whereever we have them should be subjuected to treatment as described in the aforementioned article. I think that if we treated prisoners like this then they might be more scared of the US than they currently are. Now, from articles I have read, the terrorists know that nothing "bad" will happen to them while in US custody.

If we start to treat these"people" (I use that term extremely loosely) like the animals that they are, subject them to the treatment that they might receive in Egypt, Jordan, etc. than I think we will be farther ahed in "winning" the intelligence war and in turn, saving the lives of our service men and women.

[SFontaine]

you must be realy fuked up to think that would stop anything. If that worked then attacks on israelis would have stopped 10 years ago.

racist POS.

He's racist for wanting to stop Arab terrorism by killing a few Arab terrorists? M'kay

[Tane Angle]

Over my dead body. Disrespect one body, all the living-regardless of hating that dead person-will take offense as well. Take Lebanon as an example of why. One, Lebanon is a beautiful country inhabited by wonderful people. Don't let anyone tell you differently. ;)

In Lebanon, Americans were fighting an enemy who had killed hundreds of our brothers, but most didn't hate the enemy. The more they learned about how intelligently the enemy operated, the more they respected the enemy-as one respects anything dangerous. When they killed their foes, they returned the bodies to the other side whenever possible. In the instances when that was not possible, the bodies were buried fully in accordance with the deads' customs.

This helped the Americans earn ******* among enemies, neutrals, and allies alike. It showed that the Americans were in fact not "Godless Heathens." It showed that they were not there to conquer anyone, not there to convert anyone, just there to respectfully make peace. As a result, people were more willing to talk with the Americans. And talking with locals is the key to knowing what's going on out there. The Americans began to be treated like equals, invited into people's homes for tea (and it is over tea that so many things are negotiated).

And it eventually directly saved some Americans' lives. I know of at least one instance when a Westerner who could have been executed on the spot by a militia was saved because the milita learned that the man had treated their kinsmens' bodies with respect. He showed that despite being of a different religion, he was, as far as that militia was concerned, a man of God. Had that man insulted their culture and religion, he would have been executed. And from that, many people who knew that man questioned their belief that Americans were so bad: If he was an American yet still respectful, perhaps most Americans were like him, and thus not so wretched and deserving of death? It made the enemy hesitate.

DPGLAW, it is good for the US if terrorists think that nothing bad with happen to them in custody. That allows for those terrorists to be captured alive. If they are determined to go down in a hail of gunfire, well then that's one terrorist gone, but what about the ones he might have been able to locate? They're still out there. Dead prisoners don't talk much, so alive ones work better. Alive ones can tell interrogators what they need to know. Get the picture?

So next time you want to go desecrating dead bodies-any dead bodies-keep in mind what will happen to Western HUMINT networks, what will happen to Western personnel. HUMINT networks operate on a number of factors, the chief being ******* (the others being money, blackmail, and others, but those don't always work as well on cultures in the Middle East). If you want to prevent the next terrorist attack, treat the dead with respect, and then maybe someone will tip the intelligence agencies or military off. Treat the dead with disrespect, and no one will come forward.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[chauncy republicans]

Over my dead body. Disrespect one body, all the living-regardless of hating that dead person-will take offense as well. Take Lebanon as an example of why.

In Lebanon, Americans were fighting an enemy who had killed hundreds of our brothers, but most didn't hate the enemy. The more they learned about how intelligently the enemy operated, the more they respected the enemy-as one respects anything dangerous. When they killed their foes, they returned the bodies to the other side whenever possible. In the instances when that was not possible, the bodies were buried fully in accordance with the deads' customs.

This helped the Americans earn ******* among enemies, neutrals, and allies alike. It showed that the Americans were in fact not "Godless Heathens." It showed that they were not there to conquer anyone, not there to convert anyone, just there to respectfully make peace. As a result, people were more willing to talk with the Americans. And talking with locals is the key to knowing what's going on out there. The Americans began to be treated like equals, invited into people's homes for tea (and it is over tea that so many things are negotiated).

And it eventually directly saved some Americans' lives. I know of at least one instance when a Westerner who could have been executed on the spot by a militia was saved because the milita learned that the man had treated their kinsmens' bodies with respect. He showed that despite being of a different religion, he was, as far as that militia was concerned, a man of God. Had that man insulted their culture and religion, he would have been executed. And from that, many people who knew that man questioned their belief that Americans were so bad: If he was an American yet still respectful, perhaps most Americans were like him, and thus not so wretched and deserving of death? It made the enemy hesitate.

DPGLAW, it is good for the US if terrorists think that nothing bad with happen to them in custody. That allows for those terrorists to be captured alive. If they are determined to go down in a hail of gunfire, well then that's one terrorist gone, but what about the ones he might have been able to locate? They're still out there. Dead prisoners don't talk much, so alive ones work better. Alive ones can tell interrogators what they need to know. Get the picture?

So next time you want to go desecrating dead bodies-any dead bodies-keep in mind what will happen to Western HUMINT networks, what will happen to Western personnel. HUMINT networks operate on a number of factors, the chief being ******* (the others being money, blackmail, and others, but those don't always work as well on cultures in the Middle East). If you want to prevent the next terrorist attack, treat the dead with respect, and then maybe someone will tip the intelligence agencies or military off. Treat the dead with disrespect, and no one will come forward.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
woot Tane has just proven once again, he is the coolest dude in this forum! woot Excellent post, as always.

[Tane Angle]

Thanks. :oops: Not really though, just common sense. Besides, what'd that guy with the beard say about treating others as we would want to be treated? ;) Just saying, let's at least attempt to keep the moral high ground.

By the way, Argyll's the coolest guy around here. His accent alone gives him about ten-thousand cool-points. p-)

[EvanL]

Over my dead body. Disrespect one body, all the living-regardless of hating that dead person-will take offense as well. Take Lebanon as an example of why. One, Lebanon is a beautiful country inhabited by wonderful people. Don't let anyone tell you differently. ;)

In Lebanon, Americans were fighting an enemy who had killed hundreds of our brothers, but most didn't hate the enemy. The more they learned about how intelligently the enemy operated, the more they respected the enemy-as one respects anything dangerous. When they killed their foes, they returned the bodies to the other side whenever possible. In the instances when that was not possible, the bodies were buried fully in accordance with the deads' customs.

This helped the Americans earn ******* among enemies, neutrals, and allies alike. It showed that the Americans were in fact not "Godless Heathens." It showed that they were not there to conquer anyone, not there to convert anyone, just there to respectfully make peace. As a result, people were more willing to talk with the Americans. And talking with locals is the key to knowing what's going on out there. The Americans began to be treated like equals, invited into people's homes for tea (and it is over tea that so many things are negotiated).

And it eventually directly saved some Americans' lives. I know of at least one instance when a Westerner who could have been executed on the spot by a militia was saved because the milita learned that the man had treated their kinsmens' bodies with respect. He showed that despite being of a different religion, he was, as far as that militia was concerned, a man of God. Had that man insulted their culture and religion, he would have been executed. And from that, many people who knew that man questioned their belief that Americans were so bad: If he was an American yet still respectful, perhaps most Americans were like him, and thus not so wretched and deserving of death? It made the enemy hesitate.

DPGLAW, it is good for the US if terrorists think that nothing bad with happen to them in custody. That allows for those terrorists to be captured alive. If they are determined to go down in a hail of gunfire, well then that's one terrorist gone, but what about the ones he might have been able to locate? They're still out there. Dead prisoners don't talk much, so alive ones work better. Alive ones can tell interrogators what they need to know. Get the picture?

So next time you want to go desecrating dead bodies-any dead bodies-keep in mind what will happen to Western HUMINT networks, what will happen to Western personnel. HUMINT networks operate on a number of factors, the chief being ******* (the others being money, blackmail, and others, but those don't always work as well on cultures in the Middle East). If you want to prevent the next terrorist attack, treat the dead with respect, and then maybe someone will tip the intelligence agencies or military off. Treat the dead with disrespect, and no one will come forward.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
Watch it Tane. Anymore of that type of sensible behaviour and we might have to ban you ;)

[Tane Angle]

:oops: Snotty banned me twice yesterday. It was wonderful. Or was it beamed? p-)

[UoUo]

And just cuz BTK said that we should act like that or that..thats no mean that we gonna act like this.

Beleive me..

[ariweiner]

Over my dead body. Disrespect one body, all the living-regardless of hating that dead person-will take offense as well. Take Lebanon as an example of why. One, Lebanon is a beautiful country inhabited by wonderful people. Don't let anyone tell you differently. ;)

In Lebanon, Americans were fighting an enemy who had killed hundreds of our brothers, but most didn't hate the enemy. The more they learned about how intelligently the enemy operated, the more they respected the enemy-as one respects anything dangerous. When they killed their foes, they returned the bodies to the other side whenever possible. In the instances when that was not possible, the bodies were buried fully in accordance with the deads' customs.

This helped the Americans earn ******* among enemies, neutrals, and allies alike. It showed that the Americans were in fact not "Godless Heathens." It showed that they were not there to conquer anyone, not there to convert anyone, just there to respectfully make peace. As a result, people were more willing to talk with the Americans. And talking with locals is the key to knowing what's going on out there. The Americans began to be treated like equals, invited into people's homes for tea (and it is over tea that so many things are negotiated).

And it eventually directly saved some Americans' lives. I know of at least one instance when a Westerner who could have been executed on the spot by a militia was saved because the milita learned that the man had treated their kinsmens' bodies with respect. He showed that despite being of a different religion, he was, as far as that militia was concerned, a man of God. Had that man insulted their culture and religion, he would have been executed. And from that, many people who knew that man questioned their belief that Americans were so bad: If he was an American yet still respectful, perhaps most Americans were like him, and thus not so wretched and deserving of death? It made the enemy hesitate.

DPGLAW, it is good for the US if terrorists think that nothing bad with happen to them in custody. That allows for those terrorists to be captured alive. If they are determined to go down in a hail of gunfire, well then that's one terrorist gone, but what about the ones he might have been able to locate? They're still out there. Dead prisoners don't talk much, so alive ones work better. Alive ones can tell interrogators what they need to know. Get the picture?

So next time you want to go desecrating dead bodies-any dead bodies-keep in mind what will happen to Western HUMINT networks, what will happen to Western personnel. HUMINT networks operate on a number of factors, the chief being ******* (the others being money, blackmail, and others, but those don't always work as well on cultures in the Middle East). If you want to prevent the next terrorist attack, treat the dead with respect, and then maybe someone will tip the intelligence agencies or military off. Treat the dead with disrespect, and no one will come forward.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...
Tane said pretty much what I was going to say.

[UoUo]

+ bla...zinoist nazis...bla...bla...dam Israeli propoganda!!!

[Tane Angle]

PS: Almost forgot, the part about no more attacks by Muslims is a lie, a tall tale, sorry to say. Shoot, in WWII, those Muslim Filipinos were our allies, fighting a common enemy, were they not? Their tactics-as well as the tactics of American, British, and other local groups-were branded as terrorist ones by the Japanese. What's more, wasn't that rebellion a century ago also launched by Christians?

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[born_to_love]

you must be realy fuked up to think that would stop anything. If that worked then attacks on israelis would have stopped 10 years ago.

racist POS.

Are you saying that Israel used that tactic "10 years ago" because if you think that i gues that hizballa lebanon propoganda is really getting to you.

I'm sure if we did use excessive force like that, the attacks would stop.. for the past 4 years we have been getting attacked and all we did was sit tight and try to achieve peace diplomatically, ever since sharon implyed our new tactic of going on the offensive, the attacks stop.

[SeanAshi]

Lebanon is a beautiful country inhabited by wonderful people.It would be even better if Syria would get out.

[jizzmonkey]

I like this double standart , or whatever . You know why ? It makes me know that I am better then Ariweiner , or Geeza . I do what I know it's right , and f*** everybody else , they can think about me whatever the f*** they luck . History will judge me and us ,and history is the best reffery .


When you grow up , you will understand that , btk ;)

Dude.... your are one dumb.....whatever the **** you are.
spare me the reply.
pleeease

[born_to_love]

YOU TELL HIM!

[jizzmonkey]

some of you liberal pricks, dont understand what self preservation is about because youve never had to fight for a damn thing in life!

Grow the **** up and spare us the liberal "cant we all get along" rehtoric.
I went to a college graduation the other day in Olympia Washington, the guest speaker was a well known hippy bitch from the part of the country, and all I heard for an hour was how a young girl from evergreen University felt it was the right thing for her to go to Isreal and stand along side the Palestinians and protest the isreali " ocupation". weeellllll her dumbass deservingly got ran over by a tank. OHHHHHHHHH my god they said "damn the israelis....they did this!!",

what the **** ever!

the dumb bitch in a bohemian haze thaought it a good Idea, I dont feel sorry for her stupid ass and I'm sure the palestinians she stood next to dont give a rats-ass about her either, and her family should have never encouraged her to go, so screw them too.

what a waste of PUNE!

[cut]

+ bla...zinoist nazis...bla...bla...dam Israeli propoganda!!!

I agree and lest we forget:

...bla....anti-semite UN...bla...bla...muslims immigrants brainwashing europeans!!


it's tit-for-tat and shameful too

[seruriermarshal]

+ bla...zinoist nazis...bla...bla...dam Israeli propoganda!!!

I agree and lest we forget:

...bla....anti-semite UN...bla...bla...muslims immigrants brainwashing europeans!!


it's tit-for-tat and shameful too

But it's fact .

:roll:

[Tane Angle]

some of you liberal pricks, dont understand what self preservation is about because youve never had to fight for a damn thing in life!

Grow the f*** up and spare us the liberal "cant we all get along" rehtoric.

Is that directed at me?

[SeanAshi]

To the left national defense is not a priority.

Is that directed at me?I think he was refering to Liberals in general and not you Tane Angle ;)

[Kilgor]

The liberal US government sat on its arse for 8 years, cutting military and intellence agency budgets and ignoring the threat of islamic extremism. One year out of office, they put all responsibility on GWB for not doing enough to stop 9/11

Its enough to make you puke..

[Milkman]

The liberal US government sat on its arse for 8 years, cutting military and intellence agency budgets and ignoring the threat of islamic extremism. One year out of office, they put all responsibility on GWB for not doing enough to stop 9/11

Its enough to make you puke..
It makes me puke.

:bash:

[seruriermarshal]

The liberal US government sat on its arse for 8 years, cutting military and intellence agency budgets and ignoring the threat of islamic extremism. One year out of office, they put all responsibility on GWB for not doing enough to stop 9/11

Its enough to make you puke..
It makes me puke.

:bash:

Fact let you puke .

:roll:

[Tane Angle]

To the left? It's just as much a priority to the left as to the right. Ronald Reagan was being hailed so recently as the arch-Republican, but I would hope that his stance on terrorism (to ignore it) is not the right's idea of being strong on defense. No President-let me say that again,no President-has ever been strong on fighting terrorism. A part of me doesn't expect them to anymore. And no political leaning, left or right, has ever walked the walk with fighting terrorism. Please don't make it seem like the left's fault; it's everyone's fault.

And if he's going to call for the torture and murder of half the American citizens who I've lost men defending, then I would hope that there is an explaination for it other than "he's not talking about you, just everyone else." Walk through Arlington and tell me that those white rows stand there for the sake of the political right alone.


The liberal US government sat on its arse for 8 years, cutting military and intellence agency budgets and ignoring the threat of islamic extremism. One year out of office, they put all responsibility on GWB for not doing enough to stop 9/11

Its enough to make you puke..

Many US politicians sat on their rear ends for decades, yes. Our weak stance on terrorism started long before Bill Clinton was in office. Those budget cuts actually started shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall, long before Bill Clinton took office. You know what we did in 1983 after 63 people died in the attack on the US Embassy, Beirut? Or our Marine Barracks, with 241 kids dead? Or after David Dodge, the test hostage, was taken? It was our weak stance on the Dodge case that made it so appealing to take more hostages. American civilians paid for that mistake with their blood. All those things set the example for later terrorists: They knew that they could attack the US, take Americans hostage, without fear of a response from the US. That was under a Republican President, so please don't give this left is weak stuff.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[Kilgor]

I really worry sometimes, we can produce the most modern, devestating weapons ever made yet lack the moral and political guts to use them.

Modern civilisation has suffered enough from these savages, and it looks like we are gonna suffer even more. If people want a solution to terrorism, they will have to get used to hands getting very bloody and dirty.

I think people dont appeciate how far modern society has come and dont realise there are people wanting to take us back to the stone age.

[Kilgor]

Tane, I was more thinking along the lines of the first world trade centre bombing ... on US soil.

It should have been a big wake up call.

[Tane Angle]

Tane Angle wrote:

I'm writing this half-rhetorically, and half asking what you guys think: What exactly is it to play dirty? Here's a start:

****monkey:

so a few insurgents get thier toes ripped off or genitals cut off......I mean really..... who REALLY cares??


You think that's playing dirty? Not a chance. You think that's effective or effecient? Not a chance.

****monkey:

and besides....insurgents...liberals, its all the same.

I sincerely hope that that was said sarcastically. According to some on this message board, I'm liberal, so if I am, what are you implying? Personally, I don't like to typify myself, though I'd like to consider myself to be middle of the road. Some of the best servicemembers I've served with have been far more liberal than I. And some of them certainly know what it is to fight dirty.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Secret Squirrel]

I really worry sometimes, we can produce the most modern, devestating weapons ever made yet lack the moral and political guts to use them.

Modern civilisation has suffered enough from these savages, and it looks like we are gonna suffer even more. If people want a solution to terrorism, they will have to get used to hands getting very bloody and dirty.

I think people dont appeciate how far modern society has come and dont realise there are people wanting to take us back to the stone age.

Lack the moral and political guts to use them? So do we now wipe out entire civilizations or races when terrorism pop up there? Oh yeah, lets nuke them all, turn the middle east into a glass factory. Do you honestly think you can muscle your way through this "war on terror"? Maybe we should start going around and everyone we find who is ok (at the time) to be apart of your world, we should put a mark on their forehead and the other people we should shoot on the spot? Please, enlighten us on how you would use these modern weapons.

[Tane Angle]

Having powerful weapons doesn't equate to fighting dirty. Good HUMINT is bit closer to it.

And the earlier bombings should have been just as much a wake up call as the first WTC attack.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Kilgor]

Lack the moral and political guts to use them? So do we now wipe out entire civilizations or races when terrorism pop up there? Oh yeah, lets nuke them all, turn the middle east into a glass factory. Do you honestly think you can muscle your way through this "war on terror"? Maybe we should start going around and everyone we find who is ok (at the time) to be apart of your world, we should put a mark on their forehead and the other people we should shoot on the spot? Please, enlighten us on how you would use these modern weapons.

European by any chance ?

[seruriermarshal]

Certainly does not lie in the weapon which we uses, but lies in us to
carry on this war the determination and the method, they had decided
we use what kind of weapon. Therefore we do all, the reason all lies
in the terrorist !

[Kilgor]

It means we face up to threats that want to destroy our culture and society, and realise that appeasement doesnt work.

And realise that pre-emptive strikes are sometimes a must.

Ie... does any nation want Iran getting the bomb???!

[Secret Squirrel]

Lack the moral and political guts to use them? So do we now wipe out entire civilizations or races when terrorism pop up there? Oh yeah, lets nuke them all, turn the middle east into a glass factory. Do you honestly think you can muscle your way through this "war on terror"? Maybe we should start going around and everyone we find who is ok (at the time) to be apart of your world, we should put a mark on their forehead and the other people we should shoot on the spot? Please, enlighten us on how you would use these modern weapons.

European by any chance ?

Nope, not European, or Asian, or from the middle east...etc and English is my first language (use the process of elimination). Still waiting on your grand plan. You can scream and hop around all you want with "get your hands dirty" and "let them die by our hands", but if dont actually have anything else to add just start a thread for your rants, and just post the link to that thread instead of ranting some more. woot

[Mongrel]

"Ie... does any nation want Iran getting the bomb???!"

Far worse is that North Korea HAS the bomb. :cantbeli:

[Kilgor]

id love to hear your non agressive plan to rid the world of terrorism first.

[cut]

Lack the moral and political guts to use them? So do we now wipe out entire civilizations or races when terrorism pop up there? Oh yeah, lets nuke them all, turn the middle east into a glass factory. Do you honestly think you can muscle your way through this "war on terror"? Maybe we should start going around and everyone we find who is ok (at the time) to be apart of your world, we should put a mark on their forehead and the other people we should shoot on the spot? Please, enlighten us on how you would use these modern weapons.

European by any chance ?

prejudice! ;)

[Kilgor]

maybe it is...

The world shouldnt ever forget that hard steps were not taken in the 1930's and appeasement of hitler was one of history's worst mistakes.

[Secret Squirrel]

maybe it is...

The world shouldnt ever forget that hard steps were not taken in the 1930's and appeasement of hitler was one of history's worst mistakes.

still no plans on the use of these modern weapons?

[seruriermarshal]

The terrorist motion had decided we should use any type the weapon .

Like Fallujah , perhaps need AC-130 and B-52 .

But to Baghdad , perhaps just need some light weapon .

[Tane Angle]

The AC-130 is a pretty decent weapon as far as hitting individual areas goes.

[Kilgor]

maybe it is...

The world shouldnt ever forget that hard steps were not taken in the 1930's and appeasement of hitler was one of history's worst mistakes.

still no plans on the use of these modern weapons?

why do you think i was talking about nukes ?

The latest airstrike in iraq is a good example. Israeli use of apache's to pinpoint and destroy terrorists in their cars.

But take the media reaction every time one of these strikes happen. Thats one reason I think western society lacks the will to fight.

[Secret Squirrel]

maybe it is...

The world shouldnt ever forget that hard steps were not taken in the 1930's and appeasement of hitler was one of history's worst mistakes.

still no plans on the use of these modern weapons?

why do you think i was talking about nukes ?

The latest airstrike in iraq is a good example. Israeli use of apache's to pinpoint and destroy terrorists in their cars.

But take the media reaction every time one of these strikes happen. Thats one reason I think western society lacks the will to fight.

But you said we dont have the guts to use them when infact there have been airstrikes. So again, whats your detailed plan on how to muscle your way through this war on terror?

[Kilgor]

hmmm.. as a exmple, if israel today launched a airstrike on irans nuke production facilities, it certainly wouldnt be a bad thing.

[Secret Squirrel]

hmmm.. as a exmple, if israel today launched a airstrike on irans nuke production facilities, it certainly wouldnt be a bad thing.

That's not very detailed. Come on, draw up the comparison between the Iran and Israeli militiaries and the possible fallouts from such an action as it related to the middle east, North Korea, the West and all the other places. Because you've just sent the message that if you got a nuke, you better use it before someone bombs you.

[ibstolidude]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

[NcDeuce]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

www.specialforces.mil or the super secret www.megaforce.mil

[Midav]

Good way how to deal with this problem.

I've said it before. These fanatics need to be dealt with accordingly. Feed them to pigs.

Just my opinion... ;)

[Mongrel]

OK Kilgore..maybe you would feel a little different if a military force was blowing up houses next door to you to get a few bad guys in them, instead of using more accurate less collateral damage methods.

Using Nukes etc on a population to get a minority of wingnuts is beyond ignorant. :cantbeli:

[ctcboy]

Maybe we should be equaly worried about the socio-economic factors that create an environment in the middle east favourable to the growth of terrorism. If we were able to address some of the inequites in the middle east it would go a long way towards dissolving the support many of these terrorist groups enjoy. At the same time I still think it is vital that we hunt down and kill or capture as many members of terrorist organizations as we can. It is also important that any time we find evidence of a nation state supporting terrorists we make them pay dearly.
If we go at this problem with a kill em all cause they are just animals mentality we are just going to add fuel to the fire and create more terrorists.
Beyond that I do believe that the population of the west is going to have to become a lot more supportive of th use of military force in this war. It is far from over and our enemy is determined and committed to their cause. If we are any less so we are going to lose.

[jizzmonkey]

some of you liberal pricks, dont understand what self preservation is about because youve never had to fight for a damn thing in life!

Grow the f*** up and spare us the liberal "cant we all get along" rehtoric.

Is that directed at me?

No, its not directed to you

I will admitt I have some totalitarian points of view, If It was directed to you I would have labled it so

its allll goood.

[Kilgor]

OK Kilgore..maybe you would feel a little different if a military force was blowing up houses next door to you to get a few bad guys in them, instead of using more accurate less collateral damage methods.

Using Nukes etc on a population to get a minority of wingnuts is beyond ignorant. :cantbeli:

where did i say use a nuke ?

I said airstrike on irans nuke facilities.

Do you really want to see iran with a bomb ?

[jizzmonkey]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

dude dont over step your millitary bounds MR phsyops.

let's not comment on things of which we know nothing of there sweet cakes.

[jizzmonkey]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

dude dont over step your millitary bounds MR phsyops.

let's not comment on things of which we know nothing of there sweet cakes.

[jizzmonkey]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

dude dont over step your millitary bounds MR phsyops.

let's not comment on things of which we know nothing of there sweet cakes.

[jizzmonkey]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

dude, dont over step your millitary bounds..... MR phsyops.

let's not comment on things of which we know nothing of there,... sweet cakes.

[Mongrel]

"Do you really want to see iran with a bomb ?"

I don't want to see anyone with 'da bomb'. And I seriously doubt anyone is going to let them build one.

But sadly I'm sure there are some Russian surplus bombs out there looking for a home. :cantbeli:

[OB Kenobi]

"Do you really want to see iran with a bomb ?"

I don't want to see anyone with 'da bomb'. And I seriously doubt anyone is going to let them build one.

How will anyone know? No one stopped Pakistan, North Korea, or Israel.

[S'13]

Even if we did do this, it wouldn't be long untill some Sheikh will make a religious ruling saying it doesn't matter if the "Shahid" was coverd with pig's skin or pig's blood...
Why would u even want to do it?


Theoretical

1)Of, relating to, or based on theory.

2)Restricted to theory; not practical: theoretical physics.

3)Given to theorizing; speculative.

;)

[henksmoeder]

OMFG, how can you guys be so f*cking blind. The attacks will only become fiercer, dirtier, etc. Some of you people are JUST the f*cking savages they are. No, even worse. You sit here comfortably in your chair typing stuff about how you would kill a muslim in a horrible way for them. Must of you haven't probably even seen one, let alone talked to one. IF you americans clame to be, humane, civilised etc, why type this kind of sick ****? Where is the moral highground?

You guys are making this more and more a religious quest, like the crusades. Be carefull with it.


To the left national defense is not a priority.

Yeah it is. The left doesn't go around killing thousands of people and that means there will be LESS terror. We had a (at least for american standards) a lot of left wing governments and we have no terror attacks here. Maybe they will come because we joined the war, but if we didn't, than there still wouldn't be any attacks.

[Kilgor]

"Yeah it is. The left doesn't go around killing thousands of people and that means there will be LESS terror. We had a (at least for american standards) a lot of left wing governments and we have no terror attacks here. Maybe they will come because we joined the war, but if we didn't, than there still wouldn't be any attacks."

yeah.. like clinton who left the problem get so bad that it blew up in americas face on 9/11.

sticking your head in the sand and thinking all will be well isnt a way of dealing with terror.

[Maj C]

To get back to the original thread start - I believe this is actually an Urban Legend...my understanding is Black Jack Pershing was actually very humane in his fight against the Moros and was successful in large part because of a more "hearts and minds" type approach rather than a "civilize them with a Krag" approach. Would suggest further research...

Also, I wouldn't be too sure about the Pilipinos hating the US that much - the ones working at the PX seem pretty happy.

[Tengu]

Yeah it is. The left doesn't go around killing thousands of people and that means there will be LESS terror. We had a (at least for american standards) a lot of left wing governments and we have no terror attacks here. Maybe they will come because we joined the war, but if we didn't, than there still wouldn't be any attacks.Hahaha they don't care about the war they care about your INFIDEL white ass. We did not send troops to iraq and we have stopped alot of terror attacks in our nation. Keep dreaming leftie.

[Secret Squirrel]

To get back to the original thread start - I believe this is actually an Urban Legend...my understanding is Black Jack Pershing was actually very humane in his fight against the Moros and was successful in large part because of a more "hearts and minds" type approach rather than a "civilize them with a Krag" approach. Would suggest further research...

Also, I wouldn't be too sure about the Pilipinos hating the US that much - the ones working at the PX seem pretty happy.

I thought everyone already knew that the Black Jack Pershing example at the beginning of the thread was an urban legend. There arent any documented accounts of Pershing's actions ever happening in the Philippines or anywhere else in 1911 or at any other time. Even experts who have studied "Black Jack" have no record of it. Pershing biographer, Dr. Frank E. Vandiver said that he has found no historical account of such a strategy and that he felt that such actions would run counter to what is know of Pershing's character.

[Mongrel]

"IF you americans clame to be, humane, civilised etc, why type this kind of sick ****? Where is the moral highground? "

Don't worry I haven't heard of one case were world leaders consult an internet message board before implementing military policy, and stratagy.

At least I hope not. ;)

Cheers!
M.

[pinkeye]

some history for you folks:

We could subdue the mutiny of 1857, formidable as it was, because it spread through only a part of the army, because people did not actively sympathize with it, and because it was possible to find native Indian races who would fight on our side. But the moment a mutiny is but threatened, which shall be no mere mutiny, but the expression of a universal feeling of nationality, at that moment all hope is at an end, as all desire should be at an end, of our preserving our Empire." -- Sir John Seeley (quoted by Tarling)

The 1857 rebellion, which began with the mutiny of Indian troops stationed near Delhi, had several chief results:

a year-long insurrection that changed attitudes -- both British and Indian -- towards British rule of India
dissolution of the British British East India Company
beginning of the British Raj, the period during which the U. K. directly ruled the Indian subcontinent
the end of the Mughal Empire after the British exiled Emperor Bahadur Shah to Burma
The revolt, mutiny, or rebellion, which some have seen as the first Indian war of independence, began on May 10, 1857. According to "The Uprising of 1857: A Great Divide in South Asian History" [US Library of Congress website],

Indian soldiers of the British Indian Army, drawn mostly from Muslim units from Bengal, mutinied at the Meerut cantonment near Delhi, starting a year-long insurrection against the British. The mutineers then marched to Delhi and offered their services to the Mughal emperor, whose predecessors had suffered an ignoble defeat 100 years earlier at Plassey. . . . The insurrection was sparked by the introduction of cartridges rumored to have been greased with pig or cow fat, which was offensive to the religious beliefs of Muslim and Hindu sepoys (soldiers). In a wider sense, the insurrection was a reaction by the indigenous population to rapid changes in the social order engineered by the British over the preceding century and an abortive attempt by the Muslims to resurrect a dying political order.

After the mutineers (or patriots) finally surrendered on June 20, 1858, the British ended both the East India Company and the Mughal Empire, sending the deposed Emperor Bahadur Shah to exile in Burma. With the coming of the Raj, a British governor general (or "Viceroy" as he was known when representing the British crown) ruled India, and he in turn reported to the secretary of state for India, a member of Prime Minister's cabinet (LoC Website).

The mutiny, which ended by destroying the Mughal Empire, had major effects on the U. K. as well, forcing the British government to assume direct control over the Indian subcontinent. At home, many English, who felt betrayed by peoples they thought they had befriended, experienced the revolt as a trauma. Newspapers of the period emphasized atrocities, particularly toward women and children, committed by the rebels, and these became the subjects of very well known contemporary paintings.

[ibstolidude]

Thankfully, the US Spec ops have done a GREAT job in the Phillipines....As they say: The Green Berets are often the most effective diplomats. Thier great work seems to have restored some measure of trust between America and the Phillipines........If you actually read the sit-reps from Green Berets who were over there many Muslums came to support them and thank them for thier work.......
So um ... where have you been reading these SITREPs???

dude dont over step your millitary bounds MR phsyops.

let's not comment on things of which we know nothing of there sweet cakes.
1) don't post the same **** 4 times in a row.
2) don't let your confusion get the better of you. If this is directed at me, I have never claimed to be a member of phsyops nor any other mispelled or correctly spelled organization; you may have me confused w/BEO perhaps.
2) I know my bounds pretty damn well, it appears you need to learn yours. I guess suddenly you know all about my experiences.
3) I will question people about where they get their info when they tell everyone they should read the SITREP's from the SF in the Phili's - I never commented that he doesn't read them, I simply asked where does he get them. It isn't too easy to get your hands on SITREP's short of SIPRNET access or being there; as they tend to be classified.
4)
let's not comment on things of which we know nothing of there sweet cakes - and what comment was that, sweetcakes? the one where I asked where his sitrep came from? sunddenly you know something about me?

if you wish to address this further do it in PM, in the interim please edit your posts to reflect a single post.

[Javehn]

I like this double standart , or whatever . You know why ? It makes me know that I am better then Ariweiner , or Geeza . I do what I know it's right , and f*** everybody else , they can think about me whatever the f*** they luck . History will judge me and us ,and history is the best reffery .


When you grow up , you will understand that , btk ;)

Dude.... your are one dumb.....whatever the f*** you are.
spare me the reply.
pleeease

Priceless comming from armchair POS like yourself , sweetcakes .

[farmgirl]

P.S. No one is allowed to call Stoli sweetcakes but me. ;)

[Javehn]

http://www.sweetart2000.com/sweetcake.jpg

:)

[5jumpchump]

Ok so it's been established that this is in fact an URBAN LEGEND right ?
Well let's work together so we can make this just a plain fact :D

I'm putting stock in pork rinds BTW rofl

[German_American]

I cant believe some people think if we do nothing to the terroist they wont bomb us anymore. The reason the muslims dont attack Europe, although the Brits did find that chemical stuff in those apartments is because the muslims see the US as the big evil devil for supporting Israel and having so much power. The muslims wont stop until they have the entire world under one Islamic state. The US is definetly the biggest barrier in the way. Dont be ****n ignorant. It would be an amazing world if everyone got along and sang in front of camp fires, but in the real world that **** isnt going to happen so we just gotta ****n kill all of those bastards. We bombed the **** out of Germany and Japan during WW II killing thousands of civilians. They arnt killing our women and children now.

[Mongrel]

"I cant believe some people think if we do nothing to the terroist they wont bomb us anymore."

I don't personaly know anyone who thinks like that. :|

Cheers!
M.

[SwissGrenadier]

I cant believe some people think if we do nothing to the terroist they wont bomb us anymore. The reason the muslims dont attack Europe, although the Brits did find that chemical stuff in those apartments is because the muslims see the US as the big evil devil for supporting Israel and having so much power. The muslims wont stop until they have the entire world under one Islamic state. The US is definetly the biggest barrier in the way. Dont be f*** ignorant. It would be an amazing world if everyone got along and sang in front of camp fires, but in the real world that **** isnt going to happen so we just gotta f*** kill all of those bastards. We bombed the f*** out of Germany and Japan during WW II killing thousands of civilians. They arnt killing our women and children now.

German-American, not ALL muslims are terrorists like bin Laden, Zarqawi etc. There are lots of Muslims here, some are fundamentalists but a lot of them embody swiss/western values, hell some of them even drink beer and smoke pot!
But terrorists should be killed, i fully agree with you on that!!!!

Regards :)

[German_American]

Yeah I know sometimes I just get carried away because when I read some posts on these forums my blood boils.

[Sayeret]

OB Kenobi wrote:


How will anyone know? No one stopped Pakistan, North Korea, or Israel.

Oh man your right OB Kenobi, Israel shoud've never gotten nuclear weapons since after all they've been is nuking countries left and right ever since they got them in the 1960s. <[sarcasm]

[Secret Squirrel]

OB Kenobi wrote:


How will anyone know? No one stopped Pakistan, North Korea, or Israel.

Oh man your right OB Kenobi, Israel shoud've never gotten nuclear weapons since after all they've been is nuking countries left and right ever since they got them in the 1960s. <[sarcasm]

then why the paranioa regarding Iran?

[Mongrel]

"then why the paranioa regarding Iran?"

They think everyone is out to get them.
Methinks maybe a bad choice in real estate** :petting:

Cheers!
M.

[SeanAshi]

http://www.smolanim.com/images/Achmad_Yassin.gif
rofl

[Kilgor]

OB Kenobi wrote:


How will anyone know? No one stopped Pakistan, North Korea, or Israel.

Oh man your right OB Kenobi, Israel shoud've never gotten nuclear weapons since after all they've been is nuking countries left and right ever since they got them in the 1960s. <[sarcasm]

then why the paranioa regarding Iran?


A hardline fundamentalist islamic state getting access to nukes does bother some people.

[Secret Squirrel]

OB Kenobi wrote:


How will anyone know? No one stopped Pakistan, North Korea, or Israel.

Oh man your right OB Kenobi, Israel shoud've never gotten nuclear weapons since after all they've been is nuking countries left and right ever since they got them in the 1960s. <[sarcasm]

then why the paranioa regarding Iran?


A hardline fundamentalist islamic state getting access to nukes does bother some people.

Prove they are developing nukes, unless you think they get their energy from hydro? rofl How do you think they power their country?

[Mongrel]

"Prove they are developing nukes, unless you think they get their energy from hydro? How do you think they power their country?"

Magick lamps silly :P

[Kilgor]

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/nuke/

Highly enriched uranium is made for weapons ...not power production.

The fact that they were caught with even a small amount gives clues to what their real intentions are.

Im just glad our israeli friends will blow the production plants to bits ...

[Secret Squirrel]

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/nuke/

Highly enriched uranium is made for weapons ...not power production.

The fact that they were caught with even a small amount gives clues to what their real intentions are.

Im just glad our israeli friends will blow the production plants to bits ...

Maybe you should read some books or articles surrounding nuclear power.

URANIUM STEWARDSHIP ACTIVITIES

Uranium Facts

Nuclear Fuel Cycle

The nuclear fuel cycle includes the following activities: uranium mining, milling, conversion, and enrichment; fuel fabrication; power generation; spent fuel storage, reprocessing, recycling, and disposal; and other waste management.

Uranium is a naturally occurring, very hard, heavy, silvery, radioactive metallic element (atomic number 92). It was discovered in 1789 by Martin Klaproth, a German chemist, who isolated an oxide of uranium while analyzing pitchblende samples from the Joachimsal silver mines in the former Kingdom of Bohemia, located in the present day Czech Republic. He named his discovery ‘uran' after the planet Uranus. Uranium is referred to as a ‘special radioactive element' because it is capable of undergoing fission.

For many years, uranium was used primarily as a colorant for ceramic glazes and for tinting in early photography. Its radioactive properties were not recognized until 1866, and its potential for use as an energy source was not manifested until the mid-20th century. Now it is used to power nuclear reactors that produce electricity and for isotopes used for medical, industrial, and defense purposes around the world.

Physical Properties of Uranium

Concentration - uranium ranks 48th among the most abundant elements found in natural crustal rock.
Density - uranium is very dense. At about 19 grams per cubic centimeter, it is 1.6 times more dense than lead. Density increases weight. For example, while a gallon of milk weighs about 8 pounds, a gallon container of uranium would weigh about 150 pounds.
Melting Point - uranium boils at about 3,818 degrees Celsius (about 6,904 degrees Fahrenheit).
Types of Uranium

Natural Uranium - uranium that contains 99.3 percent of the isotope uranium-238 and 0.7 percent of the fissionable isotope uranium-235.
Low Enriched Uranium - uranium that contains the isotope uranium-235 in a concentration less than 20 percent and higher than 0.7 percent. Most commercial reactor fuel has been enriched to 3-5 percent of uranium-235.
Highly Enriched Uranium - uranium that contains the isotope uranium-235 in a concentration above 20 percent. Highly enriched uranium is used in research reactors, naval propulsion reactors, and weapons.
Depleted Uranium - uranium with less than 0.7 percent of the isotope uranium-235.
What is Uranium Enrichment?

Uranium enrichment is a critical step in transforming natural uranium into nuclear fuel to produce energy. Uranium is a naturally occurring element containing uranium-235 and uranium-238 isotopes. Only the uranium-235 isotope is fissionable. Enrichment is the process of increasing the concentration of uranium-235 while decreasing the concentration of uranium-238.

In the United States, uranium is enriched through the gaseous diffusion process in which the compound uranium hexafluoride (UF6) is heated and converted from a solid to a gas. The gas is then forced through a series of compressors and converters that contain porous barriers. Because uranium-235 has a slightly lighter isotopic mass than uranium-238, it diffuses through the barriers at a slightly higher rate than the uranium-238. At the end of the process, there are two UF6 streams, both still primarily uranium-238, but one stream has a higher concentration of uranium-235 than the other. The UF6 stream with the greater uranium-235 concentration is referred to as enriched uranium, while the stream that is reduced in its concentration of uranium-235 is referred to as depleted uranium.

The gaseous diffusion process for enriching uranium was first developed on a large scale at the Department of Energy's (DOE) plants. Outside the United States, uranium is usually enriched using the gas centrifuge process. In this process, UF6 is rapidly spun in cylinders. Due to differences in the masses of the isotopes, the uranium-235 and uranium-238 are separated.

http://www.ne.doe.gov/uranium/facts.html

[SeanAshi]

Airstrike! Take out the threat.

[Kilgor]

Moreover, civil HEU has historically been used as a fuel in nuclear research reactors, often located on university campuses that lack the physical security measures employed at many nuclear powerplants and government weapons facilities. The threat posed by continued civil commerce in HEU was recently underscored dramatically by the disclosure that Iraq, in 1990, diverted bomb-grade uranium fuel from safeguarded research reactors for a crash program to build nuclear-weapon components.

Why would they need it to fuel power reactors, when usually its used only in research or weapons. ?

[Secret Squirrel]

Moreover, civil HEU has historically been used as a fuel in nuclear research reactors, often located on university campuses that lack the physical security measures employed at many nuclear powerplants and government weapons facilities. The threat posed by continued civil commerce in HEU was recently underscored dramatically by the disclosure that Iraq, in 1990, diverted bomb-grade uranium fuel from safeguarded research reactors for a crash program to build nuclear-weapon components.

Why would they need it to fuel power reactors, when usually its used only in research or weapons. ?

Maybe you'd be so kind as to list, in your own words exactly what it takes to produce a nuke (including the money involved, the technology, the kind of delevery systems...etc). Still waiting on your detailed plan. rofl

And again, do some additional reading...

Uranium enrichment is a critical step in transforming natural uranium into nuclear fuel to produce energy. Uranium is a naturally occurring element containing uranium-235 and uranium-238 isotopes. Only the uranium-235 isotope is fissionable. Enrichment is the process of increasing the concentration of uranium-235 while decreasing the concentration of uranium-238.