Geert Wilders charged with "hate speech".

[Rictor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm


A Dutch court has ordered prosecutors to put a right-wing politician on trial for making anti-Islamic statements.

Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders made a controversial film last year equating Islam with violence and has likened the Koran to Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.

"In a democratic system, hate speech is considered so serious that it is in the general interest to... draw a clear line," the court in Amsterdam said.

Mr Wilders said the ruling was a "black day for me and for freedom of speech".

"I am shaken. I had absolutely not expected it," he told the Dutch news agency, ANP.

Way to ive up to the stereotype Holland. Suppressing freedom of speech is, like, totally democratic and liberal.

[IDF_TANKER]

I read about him a bit in the wiki, a curious person, very unusual on the European political landscape (especially his attitude towards Israel).

[Elemental666]

I read about him a bit in the wiki, a curious person, very unusual on the European political landscape (especially his attitude towards Israel).


Cool funky hair too.

http://i44.tinypic.com/k50ilf.jpg

[muck]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm



Way to go live up to the stereotype. Holland. Suppressing freedom of speech is, like, totally democratic and liberal.Isn't it ironic that a legal tool created to protect minorities has turned into a weapon for these minorities to topple their host communities?

Where has Calanen gone?

[Rudolph]

He's in Religulous.

[Niels]

Way to go live up to the stereotype. Holland. Suppressing freedom of speech is, like, totally democratic and liberal.
Yeah, Holland is practically North Korea. They even prevented Fitna from being released and sent Wilders to a work camp.

[DS73]

Isn't it ironic that a legal tool created to protect minorities has turned into a weapon for these minorities to topple their host communities?

Sorry to disturb but is he in jail already? or does he "enjoy" limitations in public speech?
Legal mashine just started working. If he to be sentenced, than you can start comments of this kind. Right now there is nothing to discuss. Move on.
I would not be surprised if the whole court procedure was initiated by him and his friends. On a moment media and so called public opinion have really twisted ideas about "freedom of speech" and "public correctness".



Where has Calanen gone?

Good question.

[muck]

Sorry to disturb but is he in jail already? or does he "enjoy" limitations in public speech?
Legal mashine just started working. If he to be sentenced, than you can start comments of this kind. Right now there is nothing to discuss. Move on.
I would not be surprised if the whole court procedure was initiated by him and his friends. On a moment media and so called public opinion have really twisted ideas about "freedom of speech" and "public correctness".You spread conspiracy theories and tell me to move on? What's with that Austrian politician for example? She got sentenced for her remark that Mohammed would have to be a child abuser if he really slept with a nine years old girl like the Quran states. That's not too far from the truth, isn't it?
Europe is full of people like Geert Wilders' that get sentenced for harmless statements some ultrareligious Muslims felt offended by. Those who condemn them belong to a faction that praises itself for protecting democracy.

The least thing I can do is to refer to what the German Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said about the Mohammed Cartoons: "I don't appreciate these cartoons and dislike their content but I will fully encourage all German newspapers to reprint them for the sake of the freedom of speech."

[Pandemonium]

Yeah, Holland is practically North Korea. They even prevented Fitna from being released and sent Wilders to a work camp.

EEeuhm, they don't have workkamps in Holland.

[muck]

EEeuhm, they don't have workkamps in Holland.Then again they have city districts like Bijlmermeer! ;)

[TheBelgian]

EEeuhm, they don't have workkamps in Holland.

Pretty sure that was sarcasm... Anyways, I saw Fitna, I dont see the big deal. Basically, it was just a selection of the most blood thirsty verses from the Koran, interspersed with footage and statistics about Muslim extremism and the influx to muslim immigrants that dont integrate well. He's got a point, IMHO. People always say that Islam is a religion of peace, and I'm happy to believe that most Muslims are friendly, peaceful people. But the fact is that there are indeed verses in the holy koran that call for the bloodshed and the destruction by the sword of non-believers. And the influx of muslim immigrants and their refusal/inability to integrate into European societies and accept European values is a very worrying trend. I'm not saying people have to go vote for Wilders, but I support the fact that he's got the balls to speak out harshly on important, pressing issues, in this world obsessed with political correctness and appeasing minorities.

[Adux]

eurabia.....

[bigvig]

Fitna was boring. It was like 10 minutes and basically a patchwork of movie clips.

Anyway, will the Dutch Muslim, Imam Fawaz be prosecuted for hate speech? He essentially incited the murder of Van Gogh. Or are hate speech codes just another tool to ease the process of Islamization?

[muck]

Definitely the latter as far as I'm concerned. The leader of the German muslim council also suggested that (male) Muslims should kill family members if they wish to convert to Christianity and guess what? He's still free and even an official envoy to the Federation's Conference on the integration of Islam.

[Skutatos]

"In a democratic system, hate speech is considered so serious that it is in the general interest to... draw a clear line," the court in Amsterdam said.

I don't know what democratic systems they have been reading about, but this is not the case.

[Rictor]

Fitna was boring. It was like 10 minutes and basically a patchwork of movie clips.

Totally. As someone who makes documentaries all day, it's not exactly the pinnacle of film-making excellence. For so much bluster, as least Wilders could have made a decent product.

[Jobu]

Somebody call the queer eyes, that guy needs a makeover.
He should be in jail for that hair.

[Lazy Lob]

Who is Gerard Spong? Is he a Dutch Shami Chakrabarti?

He defended Pim Fortuyn but now acts for several muslim associations (free of charge) against Wilders. Talk about a freaky U- turn.

I don’t know but this has an Ezra Levant tinge to it. Spong may regret having pushed this and Wilders may have his day in court, so to speak. The Calcutta Quran Petition? Maybe not it but this is going to blow up in some one's face and it's not going to be Wilders.

[Niels]

Who is Gerard Spong?
He's a lawyer.

[Mr.Flint]

Will those politicians that were filmed on the antisemitic andti-Israeli hate fest, be charged as well?

[Lazy Lob]

He's a lawyer.

I already came to that conclusion all on my own. Amazing innit? I even gave myself a shiny medal.

[Niels]

Will those politicians that were filmed on the antisemitic andti-Israeli hate fest, be charged as well?
Politician - not plural. And it's being worked on.

AMSTERDAM, 15/01/09 - Well-known lawyer Bram Moszkowicz has asked the Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) to prosecute prominent Socialist Party (SP) MP Harry van Bommel for incitement to hatred, discrimination and violence against Israel.

[tea drinker]

Theo Van Gogh - I wonder what he would say?

Me - I personally like being called a dirty kuffar and I support those in my own community who see other cultures and religions as more important than mine.
NOT

[Kaasjager]

EEeuhm, they don't have workkamps in Holland.
You should check your sarcasm meter.

[DS73]

You spread conspiracy theories and tell me to move on?

Lol. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend.

Wilders so far made only calculated moves and all his statements are measured.
Again he is VVD guy ("technocrats") with education in dutch law, if to add that he is a "student" of Bolkestein than no conspiracy needed. Bunch of rich calculators getting dry from any sh*t.
It will be fun to see him in court.


What's with that Austrian politician for example? She got sentenced for her remark that Mohammed would have to be a child abuser if he really slept with a nine years old girl like the Quran states. That's not too far from the truth, isn't it?

What it has to do with the Netherlands?


Europe is full of people like Geert Wilders' that get sentenced for harmless statements some ultrareligious Muslims felt offended by.

In the Netherlands?
Sorry, but when, say last 100 years, dutch looked elsewhere for legal example?

[Kilgor]

50 years from now History will have a very different view of these men and women in Europe.

They are being thrown to the crocodile, hoping to be eaten last.

[Mu-Meson]

He should call up Mark Steyn, and Ezra Levant. I don't suppose the legal system is totally unalike, and he could at least get some tips.

[RSone]

The various muslim organisations( OH NOEZ TERRORISTZ) filed charges on account of hate mongering. The prosecutors office did not think it was serious enough, the court thinks otherwise. Perfectly acceptable and legal. It is a sign of democracy at work.

Remember, the fact that he will now be prosecuted does not mean he will be sentenced to anything. The court may very well decide that he's not guilty, or that there is not enough evidence.

The law applies to all, if a muslim,jew, or friggin martian would publicly preach hate against others, or is perceived as doing so by others, he or she can be prosecuted as well. Doesn't mean they will be sentenced, but IT CAN HAPPEN. A muslim lawyer was charged because he did not stand up before the court, he claimed that was religious freedom, the prosecutors claimed that was bullshyte.

You may not like what is happening, but the court is simply following the law.The law applies to all, regardless of religion,station,race,gender.

The situation is only touchy because Wilders is a MP. Fact is, he uses this as leverage. Anyone that has even remotely followed him, will see this.