World War II Navy "Frogman" narrowly escapes Pearl Harbor

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[Hammer27]

This story is questionable. UDT's and NCDU's were established because of WWII, not before. Amphibious Scout and Raider School-1942; UDT in 1943 (AFTER Tarawa). The dates just don't jive. Could he have been there and have friends KIA? Sure, but that would've been before he was UDT. Either something here is made up, or someone made a mistake in reporting.

http://www.navysealmuseum.com/heritage/history.php

[ZARDOZ]

Given that the photo is not "Dated", what was the Navy's policy during the WWII on beards? All I know is the go back on forth on when you can have them.

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[Mofreaka]

Whoa, angry font change! Very lucky to have escaped the same fate as his fellow crew members.

[Eztyga]

Whoa, angry font change! Very lucky to have escaped the same fate as his fellow crew members.

Nah, just happens sometimes when you link stuff.

[Hammer27]

Look, read my post one more time. Again, the dates do not work out, you cannot argue with numbers. No UDT or NCDU before 1942. That's it.
Secondly, "frogman" is a very generic term that only came into being with the advent of UDT. Even disregarding that, its still generic; much like commando or special forces. If he was a diver (hardhat, not UDT) I would not question the validity of this story. If what you intended was a diver, not a combat swimmer, then we simply have a miscommunication.

"As for the question was he really a “frogman”, well you are right the word “frogman” did not exist in 1941 so in a literal interpretation he was not a “frogman.” "
So...I'm right? Is that what you're saying?

I'm not here to argue, that's not why I come here. But I'm not going to be called a liar when its so clear.
As an aside, it is written SEAL not seal and wikipedia is not a reliable source.

[Eztyga]

^ I think we are just looking at a confusion of terms here. BM Hartnell was most likely a Navy salvage diver who was later a member of the teams mentioned. Frogman was a collequial term used for any type of diver due to the appearance of their diving gear and wasn't always used in a military context.

Ezy

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[Hammer27]

Again did you go to the website and read the entire story? I just summarized his story as there is too much to post here. The story is 100% accurate. Yes, he did not receive his UDT/NCDU training or whatever it was called until sometime later in 1942.

He was not a salvage diver.

Click here (http://mywarhistory.com/browse/browse.aspx?serviceHeroId=27) to read the accurate and full story. I just posted the story because I have never known a person who served in this role in WWII and thought other people would enjoy. Sorry that the sentence made is a appear he was a Frogman on December 6, 1941 Pearl Harbor, he had to wait a few months. We are not sure of the exact date but sometime in the Fall of 1942.

I've read your post and your attached link thrice. I'm happy we can both agree that there were no UDT or NCDU at Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941.
What was his position on that day? What were the positions of the men claimed to be part of his "frogman group?"

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http://mywarhistory.com/uploads/myWarProfiles/27-Hartnell_Jack.jpg

Beard is 'shoped



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[Hammer27]

Beard is 'shoped



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Tell me you aren't serious...

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[Hammer27]

Well that ended interestingly...