Former Seattle Police Chief wants Obama to legalize marijauna.

[DetailedEntrails]

http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/4928

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0YYAdVtcgg&eurl=http://www.strangefamousrecords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45915&feature=player_embedded

Obama involved or not i think it says something when a former police chief even believes the negative effects of it being illegal vastly outweighs the effects of legalization.

[PALADIN]

Damn Hippie.

[Invisigoth]

Damn Hippie.

Socialist Hippie. King Rush says so.

[bigvig]

I agree with him. How many marijuana deaths compared to cigarettes and alcohol? Yea that's right, ZERO.

It's horrendous to put people in jail with murderers and rapists for the act of smoking or selling marijuana.

Legalize all drugs. It will put the gangsters out of business. The morons who do drugs will continue to do it, and people who stay clean will continue to stay clean.

[JJC]

Does this guy (and LEAP) think that because he is a former police chief he has some authoritative voice over the issue of legalizing drugs? Police chiefs are bureaucrats and not criminologists studying drug trends. Just because there are failures in "war on drugs" it does not mean we should scrap the project and call it a win. I'll find equal amount of top brass fighting drug epidemics in the 70s and 80s who will disagree with him on this issue.

He sounds like a drama queen when he says there is a "trend" in bad drug raids in this county. Make drugs legal and you will eliminate bad raids is not a logical argument at all. We should scarp surgeries to eliminate accidents in the operating rooms as well then.

[Codazo]

I agree with him. How many marijuana deaths compared to cigarettes and alcohol? Yea that's right, ZERO.

It's horrendous to put people in jail with murderers and rapists for the act of smoking or selling marijuana.

Legalize all drugs. It will put the gangsters out of business. The morons who do drugs will continue to do it, and people who stay clean will continue to stay clean.

roflroflrofl it's not that simple.... what about taxes? all drugs? c'mon ..p-)

[DetailedEntrails]

Does this guy (and LEAP) think that because he is a former police chief he has some authoritative voice over the issue of legalizing drugs? Police chiefs are bureaucrats and not criminologists studying drug trends. Just because there are failures in "war on drugs" it does not mean we should scrap the project and call it a win. I'll find equal amount of top brass fighting drug epidemics in the 70s and 80s who will disagree with him on this issue.

He sounds like a drama queen when he says there is a "trend" in bad drug raids in this county. Make drugs legal and you will eliminate bad raids is not a logical argument at all. We should scarp surgeries to eliminate accidents in the operating rooms as well then.What is wrong with you? I dont think hes saying we need to stop tracking down coke and crack dealers. Just legalize some weed for ****s sake. Its not killing anyone, anyone who really wants it is smoking it anyway. It will destroy the market and help unclog the court systems. Yea alot of cops support it being illegal just to keep a revolving door in their jails and court houses.

[DetailedEntrails]

roflroflrofl it's not that simple.... what about taxes? all drugs? c'mon ..p-)
What about taxes? The government could tax it and takes a little stress off everyone elses pocketbook.

[JJC]

What is wrong with you? I dont think hes saying we need to stop tracking down coke and crack dealers. Just legalize some weed for ****s sake. Its not killing anyone, anyone who really wants it is smoking it anyway. It will destroy the market and help unclog the court systems. Yea alot of cops support it being illegal just to keep a revolving door in their jails and court houses.

Nothing is wrong with me. His org has a wider agenda than just legalizing pot. And they preach to the college crowd who jump on the wagon yee pee pot is "harmless," evil government conspiracy against minorities to keep prisons full.

[TheBelgian]

Does this guy (and LEAP) think that because he is a former police chief he has some authoritative voice over the issue of legalizing drugs? Police chiefs are bureaucrats and not criminologists studying drug trends. Just because there are failures in "war on drugs" it does not mean we should scrap the project and call it a win. I'll find equal amount of top brass fighting drug epidemics in the 70s and 80s who will disagree with him on this issue.

He sounds like a drama queen when he says there is a "trend" in bad drug raids in this county. Make drugs legal and you will eliminate bad raids is not a logical argument at all. We should scarp surgeries to eliminate accidents in the operating rooms as well then.

You're joking right? He made a carreer in law enforceement and ended up as the chief of police of a major city, this guy knows the effects crime and drugs have on a society better than you or most people. And he's rationally come to the conclusion that spending valuable police resources to fight a pretty harmless, benign substance like marijuana is pointless. He's right. Alcohol causes so many more deaths and sicknesses than weed. There are barely and arguments against legalizing it.
Also, he's not advocating ending the war on drugs. Lumping weed together with heroin, meth or coke is ridiculous. You might as well include sigarettes and coffee. You have to make a distinction between weed and hard drugs.

...i'm not a pothead :p ...

[Ordie]

Pot is already decriminalized by default in the Bay Area. SFPD will not even bother citing pot smokers unless they're in a no smoking area.

Pot should be treated as alcohol and tobacco in terms of regulation and taxation. Moreover, it takes the wind out of the revenue source for the Mexican cartels.

If it becomes legal, Mendocino County in California would transparently reap big rewards and the state with an added revenue stream.

[bigvig]

roflroflrofl it's not that simple.... what about taxes? all drugs? c'mon ..p-)
Yes all drugs. Would you start smoking crack if it became legal tomorrow? p-)

War on Drugs is a tremendous failure and a waste of taxpayer money.

They decriminalized in Portugal and the number of drug users has remained the same, hasn't skyrocketed as people would like to believe.

[ZeroZen]

By legalizing marry jane the other drugs will fellow like cocaine. We all know what this drug can do. Euphoric and a total lack of judgment, dude. It might help boost gov't revenue by legalizing cannabis and its by product, hashish. but will have a tremendous impact on productivity and economy. bad idea....

[DetailedEntrails]

Yes all drugs. Would you start smoking crack if it became legal tomorrow? p-)

War on Drugs is a tremendous failure and a waste of taxpayer money.

They decriminalized in Portugal and the number of drug users has remained the same, hasn't skyrocketed as people would like to believe.

Seriously. The fact that something is illegal really doesnt stop anyone from wanting to get it. I definitely believe the other drugs should stay illegal but if i wanted to do crack im not gonna let a law stop me from doin it.

[California Joe]

Wait, so some asshead former cop want weed legalized and suddenly it's Obama's issue to deal with? Cause two wars and an imploding economy aren't enough?

Suck a **** and get in line, your issue doesn't rate. It's not even on the radar. Jerry Garcia's dead man.

[Blackcatnursery]

I am old enough to remember CB radio and how it was illegal in the UK. Everyone had one, but as soon as they became legal it died a death.

Everything they have tried with drugs has not worked so why not legalise it and make it cheaper than the criminals currently running the trade.

As Bigvig said would you start taking it if it was easily available, I think the answer would be no. You would take the 'glamour' out of it and also the criminal element.

[DetailedEntrails]

Wait, so some asshead former cop want weed legalized and suddenly it's Obama's issue to deal with? Cause two wars and an imploding economy aren't enough?

Suck a **** and get in line, your issue doesn't rate. It's not even on the radar. Jerry Garcia's dead man.

Asshead? Former cop? He was a damn police chief of a major city. Lets be a little respectful now shall we? This is comin from someone with a "**** the police" mentality too so thats saying alot.

I dont think Obama should even waste time with this **** and the arguement you just used "bigger fish to fry" is the same one when i hear people crying about "hes gonna take urrr gurrns!"

[Havoc345]

By legalizing marry jane the other drugs will fellow like cocaine. We all know what this drug can do. Euphoric and a total lack of judgment, dude. It might help boost gov't revenue by legalizing cannabis and its by product, hashish. but will have a tremendous impact on productivity and economy. bad idea....

Yeah totally, all the kids are gonna be smoking the wacky tobaccy and listening to jazz. They might even start becoming involved with negroes.

It's the 21st Century and a weed high is just as impairing as being drunk, So don't do it and drive. Legalize it, end of story.

[Policía Loco]

The war on drugs is a very profitable business. It would be difficult to start legalizing them.

[California Joe]

Asshead? Former cop? He was a damn police chief of a major city. Lets be a little respectful now shall we? This is comin from someone with a "**** the police" mentality too so thats saying alot.

I dont think Obama should even waste time with this **** and the arguement you just used "bigger fish to fry" is the same one when i hear people crying about "hes gonna take urrr gurrns!"


He's a complete c*nt to assume that since Obama is the President there will be a more receptive ear to this silly bullsh*t. I was a cop. I don't give a fat rats arse about who smokes weed and who doesn't, but my issue is with the article associating the new President with distraction issues like this.

[Rictor]

By legalizing marry jane the other drugs will fellow like cocaine. We all know what this drug can do. Euphoric and a total lack of judgment, dude. It might help boost gov't revenue by legalizing cannabis and its by product, hashish. but will have a tremendous impact on productivity and economy. bad idea....

Unlike, say, alcohol, which is so entirely harmless to productivity that it helped bring down one of the world's mightiest empires.

I'm sorry, but the arguement is ridiculous. Do people come to work drunk every day? No. So why would they come in stoned?

[DaveDash]

By legalizing marry jane the other drugs will fellow like cocaine. We all know what this drug can do. Euphoric and a total lack of judgment, dude. It might help boost gov't revenue by legalizing cannabis and its by product, hashish. but will have a tremendous impact on productivity and economy. bad idea....

WTF are you talking about?

Even cocaine in standard quantities allows you to have CONSIDERABLY better judgement that the equivalent quantities of alcohol. Cocaine is probably the ONE drug next to coffee that you can function very well on (which is what makes it quite attractive - you can even work on it quite productively).
It's not all like the f*cking movies where people have piles of the sh*t and are all coked out. If it was legal like alcohol, you still wouldnt be allowed to work on it, or drive on it, etc, just like you can't go to work drunk.

Alcohol causes so many more problems in society that many illegal drugs, and all that happens is the people who take them [Drugs], take them anyway, but with the majority of the money goes to the Cartels and criminal families around the world.

Not only this, legalising, controlling, and taxing certian drugs would not only free up a lot of wasted money from trying to enforce the law, it would allow the effects to be much better reasearched and understood.

[pascalywood]

The war on drugs is a very profitable business. It would be difficult to start legalizing them.


Even if it ruins the life of hundreds of innocent people who just like to take a hit? Making profit is more important than that? I believe there are more important crimes to solve.

[Policía Loco]

Even if it ruins the life of hundreds of innocent people who just like to take a hit? Making profit is more important than that? I believe there are more important crimes to solve.


It not illegal to use drugs

[DaveDash]

Even if it ruins the life of hundreds of innocent people who just like to take a hit? Making profit is more important than that? I believe there are more important crimes to solve.

I think his point was more along the lines of those that are making the profits from illegal drugs would try their hardest to bribe/kill/sway/whatever anyone involved in movements to try and legalise them.

[non]

Legalization would equal regulation, like alcohol now. There are tragedies caused by alcohol for sure, but the flow of the product can be slowed/monitored via health agencies and law enforcement. Bars can be fined, liquor licences revoked, etc. What can be done to the average small time, off-the-radar dealer, now, though? You know, the one who sells to high school kids who sell to other high school kids.

...and the argument that legalization of marijuanna is a 'gateway' legalization to other drugs is just freakin stupid.

[Lancero]

They decriminalized in Portugal and the number of drug users has remained the same, hasn't skyrocketed as people would like to believe.

Only the consuption was decriminalized - in four of the six tables in our law.
If a guy is caught with drugs (the limit is possession of a quantity enough for 10 days consuption) he is identified by police, the drugs are aprehended and the guy taken before a "drug deterrence comisson" (wich means most probably a forced rehab and a fine (up to 500 euros) or community work).

[Bia]

I'm living proof weed is not a gateway drug, that it is not indicative of one that would sit on a sofa all day getting fat and disgusting, that it does not stifle nor detract from a higher education and the will to strive for a better life.

[Deathchant]

In England most of the weed is home grown by Vietnamise or Thai gangs. They spray it with sand crushed glass or silicone to up the weight. All the kids who think its cool to smoke weed and dont know what proper weed looks like smoke this **** and end up very ill or even dead. The BBC even showed a program about it to try and warn people. If it was legal this wouldnt happen. Look at Holland or Norway where it is 100% legal. They dont have drug dealing gangsters selling weed and killing people for screwing up the money they owe. I like to smoke weed but I dont sit on my ass all day watching tv geting fat and I dont go next door to the crack dealers and swap stolen goods so I can smoke that horrible **** either. Personaly I dont think anyone should even drink alcohol but that is seen as exceptable here even though it ruins lives of people and the people around them. At the end of the day if your the sort of **** head thats going to go out robing rapeing and killing whatever substance you may have taken is going to make very little difference.

[WiraBengis]

No way, if they legalize drugs then Chuck Norris has to think of another storyline for his next movie! Okay, watching Delta Force does alter my perception on this world. :lol: