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EZFEED
01-26-2009, 04:29 AM
WASHINGTON - A released Guantanamo Bay terror detainee's re-emergence as an al-Qaida commander in Yemen highlights the difficulty President Barack Obama faces in his efforts to close the detention facility and decide the fates of U.S. captives.
A U.S. counterterror official confirmed Friday that Said Ali al-Shihri, who was jailed at Guantanamo for six years after his capture in Pakistan, has resurfaced as a leader of a Yemeni branch of al-Qaida.
"By Allah, imprisonment only increased our persistence in our principles for which we went out, did jihad for, and were imprisoned for," al-Shihri said in a video posted on a militant-leaning Web site Friday. It was the second time this week a reference to al-Shihri has shown up on the Web site. He was mentioned in an online magazine on Jan. 19 with a reference to his prisoner number at Guantanamo, 372.
Al-Shihri was released by the U.S. in 2007 to the Saudi government for rehabilitation. But this week a publication posted on the site said he is now the top deputy in "al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula," a Yemeni offshoot of the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden. The group has been implicated in several attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital Sana.
The second announcement from the site came the day after President Barack Obama signed an executive order directing the closure of the prison at the U.S. naval base in Cuba within a year.
That announcement, which carried the video post of al-Shihri, also included a second video of a second militant who identified himself as Abu al-Hareth Muhammad al-Oufi and claimed he had also been a Guantanamo captive, later released. Both videos were partially translated by SITE Intel Group, an organization that monitors extremist Web sites.

Al-Shihri is one of a small number of deputies in the Yemeni group, the U.S. counterterror official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss sensitive intelligence. U.S. officials were not available to verify the claims of the second militant who appeared on video.
A key question facing Obama's new administration is what to do with the 245 prisoners still confined at Guantanamo. That means finding new detention facilities for hard-core prisoners while trying to determine which detainees are harmless enough to release.
According to the Pentagon, at least 18 former Guantanamo detainees have "returned to the fight" and 43 others are suspected of resuming terrorist activities. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell declined to provide the identity of the former detainees or say what their terrorist activities were.
It is unclear whether al-Shihri's name would be a new addition to that list of 61.
The militant Web site referred to al-Shihri under his terror nom de guerre, "Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri." The video refers to him as "Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri."
An online magazine posted to the Internet site said al-Shihri is the group's second-in-command in Yemen. "He managed to leave the land of the two shrines (Saudi Arabia) and join his brothers in al-Qaida," the statement said.
Included in the site's material was a message to Yemen's populace from al-Qaida figure Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's top deputy.
According to Pentagon documents, al-Shihri was stopped at a Pakistani border crossing in December 2001 with injuries from an airstrike and recuperated at a hospital in Quetta for a month and a half. Within days of leaving the hospital, he became one of the first detainees sent to Guantanamo.
Al-Shihri allegedly traveled to Afghanistan two weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, provided money to other fighters and trained in urban warfare at a camp north of Kabul, Afghanistan, according to a summary of the evidence against him from U.S. military review panels at Guantanamo Bay.
An alleged travel coordinator for al-Qaida, he was also accused of meeting extremists in Mashad, Iran, and briefing them on how to enter Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department documents.

Al-Shihri, however, said he traveled to Iran to buy carpets for his store in Riyadh. He said he felt bin Laden had no business representing Islam, denied any links to terrorism and expressed interest in rejoining his family in Saudi Arabia.
Yemen is rapidly re-emerging as a terrorist battleground and potential base of operations for al-Qaida and is a main concern for U.S. counterterrorism officials. Al-Qaida in Yemen conducted an "unprecedented number of attacks" in 2008 and is likely to be a launching pad for attacks against Saudi Arabia, outgoing CIA Director Michael Hayden said in November.
The most recent attack, in September, killed 16 people. It followed a March mortar attack and two attacks against Yemen's presidential compound in late April.
The impoverished country on the southern tip of the Arabian peninsula has a weak central government and a powerful tribal system. That leaves large lawless areas open for terrorist training and operations.
Yemen was also the site of the 2000 USS Cole bombing that killed 17 American sailors. Seventeen suspects in the attack were arrested; 10 of them escaped Yemen's jails in 2003. One of the primary suspects in the attack, Jamal al-Badawi, escaped jail in 2004. He was taken back into custody last fall under pressure from the U.S. government.


http://www.startribune.com/nation/38212874.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiacyKUnciatkEP7DhUr

commanding
01-26-2009, 09:16 AM
Seems to me this makes a pretty fair case for either holding the detainees for a period of 99 years, or executing them. All boils down to numbers of KIA.

Okinawa = 12,513 US kia
Vietnam war = 16,590 US kia
Sept 11, 2001 = about 3,000 US kia
Iraq war (current) = about 4,119 US kia

How many are in gitmo?
It's all a matter of perspective. (to me at least, of course my opinion counts for sh1t)

commanding
01-26-2009, 09:19 AM
Seems to me this makes a pretty fair case for either holding the detainees for a period of 99 years, or executing them. All boils down to numbers of KIA.

Okinawa = 12,513 US kia
Vietnam war = 16,590 US kia
Sept 11, 2001 = about 3,000 US kia
Iraq war (current) = about 4,119 US kia

How many are in gitmo?
It's all a matter of perspective. (to me at least, of course my opinion counts for sh1t)

for some reason this forum will not allow me to type in the name of the battle of the us civil war. starts with G and was in PA.

Sounds like Pettys Berg.

*****sburg

3rdMillhouse
01-26-2009, 09:23 AM
That because G.etty Images had their fisrt name censored for being biased in favor of terrorist groups, or something like that.

commanding
01-26-2009, 09:39 AM
That because G.etty Images had their fisrt name censored for being biased in favor of terrorist groups, or something like that.

Well how bout that?
my point was that the battle in civil war,
we will call it "Pettysburg, PA" = all sides KIA =8000 (to got with the other numbers)

gaijinsamurai
01-26-2009, 01:23 PM
^ Yeah, I found that out when I tried to type the first name of the singer/bassist of Rush, who's last name is Lee.

gaijinsamurai
01-26-2009, 01:28 PM
Anyways, sorry for that off-topic post!

Back to the issue: Yeah, if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that individual Gitmo detainees are bonafide terrorists, and not some poor shmuck who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or a manipulated/brainwashed 11-year old, fvck 'em. I say execute them or keep them until they're decrepid old men, in wheelchairs and diapers.

Bia
01-26-2009, 01:49 PM
a boat with a leak


:P

Lefty
01-26-2009, 02:44 PM
That's the problem with releasing these guys. Even if they aren't there for a good reason, they have reason to be pissed now and the bona fides to be picked up by any terror group as an "advisor" or "commander" even in the CEO sense where they do little actual decision making.

I say send them all to supermax, release the few you cannot hold on reasonable grounds, but do the best we can to track them and use them as bait for terrorist groups. Maybe kill them in unique and covert ways ala the post-Munich operations. :-*$

California Joe
01-26-2009, 03:05 PM
Regarding the aformentioned "G" word...It's because too many retarded assheads were posting their copyrighted photos without permission and they really, really frown upon that and hood doesn't need the hassle. OK?

They should have just shot them all in the field. Simpler. Or they should give them all trials and then shoot them. Frankly I don't give a sh*t what happens to these twats at all. But if we are going to act like we are the United States of America and we are the good guys, then we had better stop f*cking around doing shady things that make us look like comic book villians.

commanding
01-26-2009, 04:30 PM
anyways, sorry for that off-topic post!

Back to the issue: Yeah, if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that individual gitmo detainees are bonafide terrorists, and not some poor shmuck who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or a manipulated/brainwashed 11-year old, fvck 'em. I say execute them or keep them until they're decrepid old men, in wheelchairs and diapers.

well said!

domokun
01-26-2009, 07:27 PM
a boat with a leak


:P

Or two air force pilots and couple guards ready to take one for team and ditch a plane in middle of Atlantic while transporting detainees to somewhere else.

budgie
01-26-2009, 07:50 PM
Anyways, sorry for that off-topic post!

Back to the issue: Yeah, if it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that individual Gitmo detainees are bonafide terrorists, and not some poor shmuck who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or a manipulated/brainwashed 11-year old, fvck 'em. I say execute them or keep them until they're decrepid old men, in wheelchairs and diapers.

Well said X2 - if it can be proven. That will take trials and due process, something that the envisioned Gitmo camp was sorely lacking when it's creators thought it up. The fact that so many ex-detainees have returned (or turned) to terror proves it. Without due process you don't know who's guilty or not.

Jobu
01-27-2009, 11:45 AM
Well said X2 - if it can be proven. That will take trials and due process, something that the envisioned Gitmo camp was sorely lacking when it's creators thought it up. The fact that so many ex-detainees have returned (or turned) to terror proves it. Without due process you don't know who's guilty or not.


So this is not a war, it's a criminal case?

California Joe
01-27-2009, 12:30 PM
Jobu, that's my problem with it. Like I said in another thread, that I should have merged, there is going to be a high recidivism rate among any of them that are released. That is a fact. And if they weren't terrorists before, they damned sure have a hardon for us now.

In a war like WWII you fight, win, and then send the prisoners home.

In this one we're not sure if they're criminals or combatants because quite likely they were "arrested" in the planning stages of committing a crime. If they were taken in the field they probably should have just been shot on sight. I do think the GWOT should be conducted as a paramilitary criminal investigation in a lot of cases.

budgie
01-27-2009, 08:19 PM
So this is not a war, it's a criminal case?


In some cases yes.

While there may be forces in Iraq dealing with a few remnant AQ loonies, they're mostly there to keep the Iraqis from each other's throats. In Afghanistan it is definitely a war - mostly against a resurgent Taliban trying to regain territory.

But the GWOT is simply a catchy label like the War on drugs. The real 'fighting' against terrorist networks is the investigation and intelligence that turns over rocks. When someone is found plotting they should be dealt with by the authorities in that country, not spirited off to Camp delta.

We cannot simply reduce the whole problem to a general, military perspective, when there's more to it that that.

eskachig
01-27-2009, 11:46 PM
The fact that so many ex-detainees have returned (or turned) to terror proves it.Gitmo recidivism rate is around 10%, which means up to 90% of the folks that have been released after being held for years on charges are probably innocent. And that sucks.


Jobu, that's my problem with it. Like I said in another thread, that I should have merged, there is going to be a high recidivism rate among any of them that are released. That is a fact. And if they weren't terrorists before, they damned sure have a hardon for us now.Agreed.


In this one we're not sure if they're criminals or combatants because quite likely they were "arrested" in the planning stages of committing a crime. Conspiracy is a prosecutable crime.


If they were taken in the field they probably should have just been shot on sight. I still don't see the problem with charging them. I'm pretty sure that at the very least they're breaking Afgani laws. Or give them POW status and legally hold them until the end of hostilities. Except I guess war would have to be declared or something.


I do think the GWOT should be conducted as a paramilitary criminal investigation in a lot of cases.GWOT in general is a police action, except for Afganistan which is just old fashioned nation building. And Iraq which is something else.