Gazze , Israil , Turkey and rising racism...

[4X4Driver]

Boy you must be really desperate... Sorry, but European nations do not act on your short-sighted nationalistic expectations or your phobias. The E.U is bound by the criteria set in the accession talks concerning Turkeys memberships application ( that's right you applied for membership). If Turkey implements the political, economic and judiciary reforms that would set it on par in these levels to the minimum already acquired by the rest of the E.Us members it should join. If you see the E.U as a threat to your beloved deep states control and choose to follow on with your undemocratic ,and I dare say anti-western, policies it would be Turkey's fault for failing. A veto from any member state would be unnecessary. In particular Greece is in favour for Turkey's candidacy, contrary to your view of anti- Turkish bias reigning in Greek politicians minds. Why you don't want democratic reforms and a more democratic Turkey beats me...

Why the panic?...just veto the mofo asa you get a chance!!! woot




Oh and next time you go fishing for sources for your constant bashing at Greece and its policies I ask you once again to read at least the date of the article. Kaklamanis was speaker of parliament 6 years ago in the PASOK government, that is TWO previous governments ago.What next? something from 20 years ago?


hmm.. I'll remind you of that next time when you refer to 100 years old baseless allegations...:)


You are getting really boring. This is a thread concerning Turkey and its anti Israeli policies, not Greece.

Now write that in Greek too..so your countrymen can get it in their heads also!

[spider1]

No need to explain Saladin..I'm sure he knows the procedure also...

He's got some kind of explanation in his mind already. ;)

im pretty sure the government has an hand on it btw i also read that hotels in turkey want israelis to come so they give them few days for free with meals in some hotels hehe lol but still i think a lot boycott turkey now and go to bulgary and some other places

[Ulytau]

Well i seein Yavuz Sultan Selim ''An Ottoman Sultan'' at the article ''didnt read the article just seen the name'' (cause have enough info bout the history also many Jews came to Turkiye from Germany,Poland and Vichy Governments France)

''Today some people who is member of the Ottoman Family livin in Turkiye too,they seriously respect to Turkish Republic and most of em saying we will do same thing if we were Ataturk''

Info bout the this issue;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behi%C3%A7_Erkin


First shame to Financial Times cause last days their articles are totally same with SECULAR ELITES in Turkiye ''Still not sure what kind of ELITE i am my mom and dad teacher also having simple family background ''Except Grandfather did leadership to militia forces at Black Sea region aganist enemies'' also they speaking like ANTI-DEMOCRATIC Generals..So sorry wanted to use just an irony..


Turkish court opens probe over Israel over Gaza war crimes
World Bulletin / News Desk

Bout this issue especially i offerin a book to my Turkish countrymen

Cengiz Ozakinci's Iblisin Kiblesi ''Qibla of the Satan''

or Mustafa Yildirims Sivil Orumcegin Aginda ''Project Democracy''

This books can give great info bout the ''ISLAMIC HUMAN'' Rights Organizations..I think we Turks rememberin merWe kaWakci or their head scarf provocations as i know still this s**t writin at Vakit rag (Newspaper) she is not Turkish citizen ''Another note''

2-3 months ago who blamin to secular ELITES in Turkiye speakin like secular ELITES in Turkiye interestin isnt it?

Every countries have fundemalist groups in history today and sad thing they usin ''DEMOCRACY'' when Kemalist-Nationalist Prof. Dr. Necip Haplemitoglu got killed when Turkish Security Forces start to do serious operations aganist em Human Rights Reports were saying to us ;

Turkish Security Forces doing bad things to BELIEVERS in Turkiye,many dudes were playing THREE MONKEYS until 11 September..

I believe both country going to solve problems but some dudes tryin to use some problems for their OWN AGENDA..

Thank You

Ulytau

[4X4Driver]

im pretty sure the government has an hand on it btw i also read that hotels in turkey want israelis to come so they give them few days for free with meals in some hotels hehe lol but still i think a lot boycott turkey now and go to bulgary and some other places

Yes..please do...
I'm sure it's just a gesture to fix the things..otherwise no one could give a **** about your boycott. (except the Casino hotels) :)

[Alienoz]

Yes..please do...
I'm sure it's just a gesture to fix the things..otherwise no one could give a **** about your boycott. (except the Casino hotels) :)

You are damaging Turkish Tourism sector, are you aware of that? :)

[4X4Driver]

You are damaging Turkish Tourism sector, are you aware of that? :)


Yep...more the damage, the better...at least that sector will not vote for Erdogan next time.. ;)

[spider1]

I also think some israelis are scared from the women that wear that thing that covers the hair(forgot the name of it but religous muslims wear it):)

[saladin]

well, the same is true for israeli women (hiding their hair). In fact, using wigs to hide their real hair was a practice Turkish women learned from them.

[GiladS]

well, the same is true for israeli women (hiding their hair). In fact, using wigs to hide their real hair was a practice Turkish women learned from them.

The only women who do so in Israel belong to the Ultra-Orthodox minority.

[Karaahmetoglu]

The only women who do so in Israel belong to the Ultra-Orthodox minority.


The Only women who do so in Turkey belong to the Ultra-religious minority.

[Moledet]

I also think some israelis are scared from the women that wear that thing that covers the hair(forgot the name of it but religous muslims wear it):)
There are enough Arabs here to not be scared of it.
The reason Israelis are scared to visit Turkey is the national security council warnings of abductions and terror attacks against Israelis in Turkey and what they see on TV.

[spider1]

i also saw in tv that religous israelis are afraid to put kippa because of antisemitism

[Alienoz]

i also saw in tv that religous israelis are afraid to put kippa because of antisemitism

Where? in Turkiye? They cannot wear such thing, I have to admit. But compared to Christians, Jews have more chance not to be targeted, in case of religious dress.

Btw Muslim religious dress is forbidden in official areas. It is a big issue. If we solve this, we will think about the others as well. :)

[chris450]

But compared to Christians, Jews have more chance not to be targeted, in case of religious dress.sad but true

[Moledet]

i also saw in tv that religous israelis are afraid to put kippa because of antisemitism
Yes, they wear a baseball cap and under it the kippa.

P.S. a question to the Turks, do you teach about the Holocaust in WW2 in schools?

[Alienoz]

Yes, they wear a baseball cap and under it the kippa.

P.S. a question to the Turks, do you teach about the Holocaust in WW2 in schools?

Basic answer: We dont learn WW2 in school. I did not learn anything specific to the Jewish holocaust. Our formal history lessons end in 1938 with the death of M. Kemal Ataturk.

After 1938, it is all about ideologies and problems that Turkiye faced. State does not want to take side in these discussions.

[Moledet]

After 1938, it is all about ideologies and problems that Turkiye faced. State does not want to take side in these discussions.
What side is there to take? Antisemities' side and the rest of the western world?

[Alienoz]

What side is there to take? Antisemities' side and the rest of the western world?

Lots of sides:

Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, British/USA Side, non-alignment side (Turk-Persian-Balkan pact)

Turkish State punished Nationalists in 1944 after seeing Communists won. Then in 1950, she joined NATO. Turkish people and State does not see these events from the Jewish point of view. She looks after the interests of Turkish people.

In WW2, there was support for Germany because of the suppression of Turkic people under Soviet rule. Perhaps this explains. Our priority was Turkic people, but there was help for Jews by Turks. Many German Jews came to Turkiye and some of them became professors, then emigrated to USA.

It is a complex situation.

[Moledet]

So because you supported Germany and as we know Turkey can do no wrong, you don't tech about the genocide that happened next door not just to Jews but also to Gypsies and Slavs, gays and handicapped?
No wonder there's so much ignorance in Turkey's streets these days.

[spider1]

Where? in Turkiye? They cannot wear such thing, I have to admit. But compared to Christians, Jews have more chance not to be targeted, in case of religious dress.

Btw Muslim religious dress is forbidden in official areas. It is a big issue. If we solve this, we will think about the others as well. :)
Turkey is not a free country right? for example you dont really have political rights right?

[4X4Driver]

Basic answer: We dont learn WW2 in school. I did not learn anything specific to the Jewish holocaust. Our formal history lessons end in 1938 with the death of M. Kemal Ataturk.

After 1938, it is all about ideologies and problems that Turkiye faced. State does not want to take side in these discussions.

I can agree with a lots of things you say here Alienoz, but not leraning about WWII..that I cannot agree with. I remember during my time in the school (about 30 years ago though) I've learned about the WWII, how we avoid getting involved, about Hitler and the things he did..so we're not totally clueless about the holocaust.

I also hear that since the Erdogan gov't came tp power 6 years ago, they've been changing a lot in the education system accordingly with their agenda..so maybe what you say is true now.

For the record..we're not totaly ignorant about the WWII..at least, not my generation.

[4X4Driver]

I also think some israelis are scared from the women that wear that thing that covers the hair(forgot the name of it but religous muslims wear it):)


Sounds like you're just going to do exactly like your parents says and travel to the holiday destination that they choose. :)

[4X4Driver]

Turkey is not a free country right? for example you dont really have political rights right?

Sounds like your education system is not any better than ours..rofl

[deli_dumrul]

So because you supported Germany and as we know Turkey can do no wrong, you don't tech about the genocide that happened next door not just to Jews but also to Gypsies and Slavs, gays and handicapped?
No wonder there's so much ignorance in Turkey's streets these days.

When did we support the Germans? Do you know how many Turkish Schindlers there are? Aren't you aware of the Einstein letter requesting the acceptance of Jews during WWII?

What the f*ck are you talking about?

[Alienoz]

So because you supported Germany and as we know Turkey can do no wrong, you don't tech about the genocide that happened next door not just to Jews but also to Gypsies and Slavs, gays and handicapped?
No wonder there's so much ignorance in Turkey's streets these days.

Some of my mates here know me from other forums. A part of my people sometimes show ignorance towards me because of my beliefs. It is not something against Jews only.

[spider1]

Sounds like you're just going to do exactly like your parents says and travel to the holiday destination that they choose. :)

Well before some years we flew to the US and we flew with turkish airlines the food was discusting next time will fly only with the israeli company el al

[chris450]

When did we support the Germans?

U.S. State Department [Eizenstat] Report (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9806_ng_links.html) on U.S. and Allied Wartime and Postwar Relations and Negotiations With Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Turkey on Looted Gold and German External Assets and U.S. Concerns About the Fate of the Wartime Ustasha Treasury (June 1998)

U.S. State Department [Eizenstat] Report (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9806_ng_turkey.pdf) on Allied Relations and Negotiations With Turkey [In PDF]


The so-called Clodius agreement (German trade expert Dr. Karl Clodius was the
German negotiator) provided for an exchange of Turkish raw materials for German war matériel, together
with iron and steel products and other manufactured goods. In supplementary agreements, Turkey agreed
to allow exports to Germany of 45,000 tons of chromite ore in 1941-1942, and 90,000 tons of chromite in
both 1943 and 1944. Actual export of the Turkish materials depended on Germany's ability to deliver the
promised military equipment


the Turkish Government concluded another agreement with Germany under
which Turkey would provide up to 135,000 tons of chromite in 1944. Allied observers estimated deliveries
to Germany of Turkish chromite amounted to nearly 44,000 tons in 1943 and more than 8,000 tons in
January 1944 alone, despite the Allied preclusive buying program. Allied diplomatic representatives
protested to the Turkish Government.39 After Acting Secretary of State Edward Stettinius reported to
President Roosevelt the difficulties encountered in denying Turkish chromite to Germany, the President on
March 10, 1944, authorized the transmission of a severe letter to the Turkish President:
"As you know, the Russians by the capture of Nikopol have succeeded in denying an
important source of manganese to the Germans. This, therefore, multiplies the importance to the
German war machine of Turkish chrome ore, which for many purposes can be substituted for
manganese.
"You will readily see that the continuation of large supplies of chrome ore from Turkey
to Germany has now become a matter of grave concern to the United Nations.
"You will know best how the Germans can be denied further access to Turkish chrome
ore. You have inventive genius and I hope you will find some method!
"I am confident that you will recognize this opportunity for Turkey to make a unique
contribution to what really is the welfare of the world.


U.S State Department Preliminary Study (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9705_ng_links.html) on U.S. and Allied Efforts To Recover and Restore Gold and Other Assets Stolen or Hidden by Germany During World War II (Includes Finding Aids to Records at the National Archives) (May 1997)



U.S. State Department (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/holocausthp.html) Holocaust Assets
PBS Frontline (http://www2.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/) Nazi Gold
PBS Frontline (http://www2.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/etc/map5.html) Turkey

Also, related International Press articles:

The Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000142848523311&pg=/et/98/6/2/wnaz02.html) Neutral countries accused over Nazi gold (Jun. 2, 1998)
CNN (http://cnn.com/US/9806/02/us.nazi.gold/) Report: Neutral nations' trade kept Nazi war machine going (Jun. 2, 1998)
CNN (http://cnn.com/WORLD/9712/04/nazi.gold/) Solidarity lacking as conference on Nazi gold ends (Dec. 4 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/WORLD/9712/03/nazi.gold.conf/) World War II allies attacked at Nazi gold conference (Dec. 3, 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/US/9705/06/nazi.gold/) 'Harsh report' critical of Swiss-Nazi gold (May 6, 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1998/08/hirsch.nazigold.aug21/) 'Nazi gold' settlement mixes intangibles with money (Aug. 21, 1998)
Anadolu Agency (http://www.hri.org/news/turkey/anadolu/1998/98-06-05.anadolu.html#02) Nazi Gold - Gurel, State Minister: ''No one has right to work for making Turkey an accomplice to someone else's crimes'' (Jun. 5, 1998)

[spider1]

Sounds like your education system is not any better than ours..rofl
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&year=2008&country=7508

your country is "partly free"

[deli_dumrul]

The Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000142848523311&pg=/et/98/6/2/wnaz02.html) Neutral countries accused over Nazi gold (Jun. 2, 1998)
CNN (http://cnn.com/US/9806/02/us.nazi.gold/) Report: Neutral nations' trade kept Nazi war machine going (Jun. 2, 1998)
CNN (http://cnn.com/WORLD/9712/04/nazi.gold/) Solidarity lacking as conference on Nazi gold ends (Dec. 4 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/WORLD/9712/03/nazi.gold.conf/) World War II allies attacked at Nazi gold conference (Dec. 3, 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/US/9705/06/nazi.gold/) 'Harsh report' critical of Swiss-Nazi gold (May 6, 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1998/08/hirsch.nazigold.aug21/) 'Nazi gold' settlement mixes intangibles with money (Aug. 21, 1998)
Anadolu Agency (http://www.hri.org/news/turkey/anadolu/1998/98-06-05.anadolu.html#02) Nazi Gold - Gurel, State Minister: ''No one has right to work for making Turkey an accomplice to someone else's crimes'' (Jun. 5, 1998)

Nice copy paste job. Most of your links are broken loser...

[chris450]

try these my dear friend

http://www.cnn.com/US/9705/06/nazi.gold/
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1998/08/hirsch.nazigold.aug21/
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-60782520.html
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-60782520.html

whats broken is the "we didnt help germany in WWII" fairytale

[Alienoz]

U.S. State Department [Eizenstat] Report (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9806_ng_links.html) on U.S. and Allied Wartime and Postwar Relations and Negotiations With Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Turkey on Looted Gold and German External Assets and U.S. Concerns About the Fate of the Wartime Ustasha Treasury (June 1998)

U.S. State Department [Eizenstat] Report (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9806_ng_turkey.pdf) on Allied Relations and Negotiations With Turkey [In PDF]






U.S State Department Preliminary Study (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/rpt_9705_ng_links.html) on U.S. and Allied Efforts To Recover and Restore Gold and Other Assets Stolen or Hidden by Germany During World War II (Includes Finding Aids to Records at the National Archives) (May 1997)



U.S. State Department (http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/holocausthp.html) Holocaust Assets
PBS Frontline (http://www2.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/) Nazi Gold
PBS Frontline (http://www2.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/etc/map5.html) Turkey

Also, related International Press articles:

The Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000142848523311&pg=/et/98/6/2/wnaz02.html) Neutral countries accused over Nazi gold (Jun. 2, 1998)
CNN (http://cnn.com/US/9806/02/us.nazi.gold/) Report: Neutral nations' trade kept Nazi war machine going (Jun. 2, 1998)
CNN (http://cnn.com/WORLD/9712/04/nazi.gold/) Solidarity lacking as conference on Nazi gold ends (Dec. 4 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/WORLD/9712/03/nazi.gold.conf/) World War II allies attacked at Nazi gold conference (Dec. 3, 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/US/9705/06/nazi.gold/) 'Harsh report' critical of Swiss-Nazi gold (May 6, 1997)
CNN (http://cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1998/08/hirsch.nazigold.aug21/) 'Nazi gold' settlement mixes intangibles with money (Aug. 21, 1998)
Anadolu Agency (http://www.hri.org/news/turkey/anadolu/1998/98-06-05.anadolu.html#02) Nazi Gold - Gurel, State Minister: ''No one has right to work for making Turkey an accomplice to someone else's crimes'' (Jun. 5, 1998)

Please, quote the help of Turkish ambassadors who rescued Jews from extermination. Please!

There is no Turkish collaboration with Nazi Germany. We were far away while you were killing eachother.

[deli_dumrul]

try these my dear friend

http://www.cnn.com/US/9705/06/nazi.gold/
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1998/08/hirsch.nazigold.aug21/
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-60782520.html
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-60782520.html

whats broken is the "we didnt help germany in WWII" fairytale


Both the links you provided include Turkey in a single paragraph which contain the word neutral. Where is the support?



The report will also call on other neutral and non-combatants in World War II -- Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Turkey and Sweden -- to examine their roles in holding confiscated gold.




Other neutral countries, including Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Turkey, Argentina, continued to export minerals to Germany and accept gold, too. But Switzerland handled three-quarters of the Nazis' transactions, even after the Swiss knew of the Nazi extermination scheme.


Go b*tch to the people who confiscated that gold.

[4X4Driver]

C'mon guys...it's desparate Greek who's trying to make a use of the Turkish-Israeli situation.

It's the same thing over and over...business as usual for them. Just find their history about the Jews and they'll shut up.

[chris450]

when everybody else was neck deep in trench shyte fighting the Nazis ,Turkey was making big $$ doing business with Adolf..out of gold teeth ,and stolen property ,blood money

nothing "neutral" about that

and 4x4 check our history during WWII see how many people we lost to the dogs you were in bed with ,and then we can discuss this on a different basis

The Greeks never stopped fighting until the last shot of the war was fired,and the Germans didnt get one day of peace while they were occupying Greece (and wipping out Jews/gypsies and all the non-aryans with your help)

[4X4Driver]

when everybody else was neck deep in trench shyte fighting the Nazis ,Turkey was making big $$ doing business with Adolf..out of gold teeth ,and stolen property ,blood money

nothing "neutral" about that

Like it was us who started it. It's happened in Europe and done by the Europeans...now we're getting blamed for your own fault??

Pathetic...:roll:

[chris450]

no you didnt start it,but you sure as hell proffited by it

now thats pathetic my friend...drinking champagne with the Nazi ambassador knowing that the gold in your pocket was once someones teeth

[4X4Driver]

when everybody else was neck deep in trench shyte fighting the Nazis ,Turkey was making big $$ doing business with Adolf..out of gold teeth ,and stolen property ,blood money

nothing "neutral" about that

and 4x4 check our history during WWII see how many people we lost to the dogs you were in bed with ,and then we can discuss this on a different basis

The Greeks never stopped fighting until the last shot of the war was fired,and the Germans didnt get one day of peace while they were occupying Greece (and wipping out Jews/gypsies and all the non-aryans with your help)


and 4x4 check our history during WWII see how many people we lost to the dogs you were in bed with ,and then we can discuss this on a different basis

The Greeks never stopped fighting until the last shot of the war was fired,and the Germans didnt get one day of peace while they were occupying Greece (and wipping out Jews/gypsies and all the non-aryans with your help)

yeah..I'll do that onece again..

Congrats..you've finally succeeded in your mission. It's sad that Israeli members allows you to do this even knowing the traditional Greek hatered against the Jews.

[Alienoz]

no you didnt start it,but you sure as hell proffited by it

now that pathetic my friend...drinking champagne with the Nazi ambassador knowing that the gold in your pocket was once someones teeth

Somebody should try Turks for having part in Jewish Holocaust. rofl

[Ulytau]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behi%C3%A7_Erkin

Behic Erkin

http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/...E.2007.-.7.253 (http://inscribe.iupress.org/doi/abs/10.2979/ALE.2007.-.7.253)



Jewish Refugees from Nazism, Albert Einstein, and the Modernization of Higher Education in Turkey (1933–1945)
Einsteins Letter..

http://www.kocyonder.org/images/EinsteinLetter.jpg


Quote:
Originally Posted by Moledet http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3905111#post3905111)
Yes, they wear a baseball cap and under it the kippa.

P.S. a question to the Turks, do you teach about the Holocaust in WW2 in schools?


Just check Turkish jews ''Shalom Newspaper'' website there is no info bout that.

Holocoust issue i rememberin our teachers speakin bout this issue too but not very very deep also as i check archives there was Turks who lost their life at Nazi Camps too..

In Military Schools bout history they nearly learnin everything also Ataturks interview with General Mc.Arthur at this interview Ataturk was warning Mc.Arthur 8 years ago before WW2 starts..




Atatürk was visited in 1931 by General Douglas MacArthur (http://tripatlas.com/Douglas_MacArthur) of the United States (http://tripatlas.com/United_States), during which the two exchanged their views on the state of affairs in Europe which would eventually lead to the outbreak of World War II (http://tripatlas.com/World_War_II). MacArthur expressed his admiration of Atatürk on many occasions and stated that he ''"takes great pride in being one of Atatürk's loyal friends."''Handnote by General Douglas MacArthur (http://tripatlas.com/Douglas_MacArthur) on display at AnıtkabirAs i read Gazi Pasha ''Ataturk'' was callin hitler as a mad corporal and he weared his Marshal uniform one time aganist mussolini after he became president..


PS : Maybe our Greek dude interest to remember SS.Kurtuluş Ship too;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kurtulu%C5%9F

[deli_dumrul]

when everybody else was neck deep in trench shyte fighting the Nazis ,Turkey was making big $$ doing business with Adolf..out of gold teeth ,and stolen property ,blood money

nothing "neutral" about that

Bullsh*t.

Nobody knew about the extermination camps until the end of the war. The first concentration camp with gas chambers was discovered in 1944. There were rumours about but the evidence came with the Russians towards the end of the war. July 1944 to be exact.

Not even the German residents living next to the camps knew their existence. When the US liberated one (I don't remember the name), they marched the German residents through that camp. (Buy the Great War DVD if you want to see it yourself)

GTFO of the thread...

[chris450]

Maybe our Greek dude interest to remember SS.Kurtuluş Ship too;SS Kurtulus was leased by Greek American organisations ,you did nobody a favor..(i have the names of the representatives of all 120 greek american organisations that payed you for those services if you are interested)

more $ in your pocket,you made a lot during WWII it seems

@Deli Dumrul

so you were the only ones in the whole western hemisphere that were unaware of the "final solution" concept? thats a bold statement.. and that the Nazis murdered Jews indescriminately ? Warsaw ghetto? ring any bells?

[deli_dumrul]

And guess when Turkey suspended chromite trade with Germany:



During 1943 and into 1944, Turkey continued to receive Allied military assistance but resisted entry into the war. Allied pressure, persuasion, and preclusive purchasing did not succeed until early 1944 when it was supplemented by threats to apply to Turkey the same economic measures earlier used against other neutrals. Turkey halted the export of chromite to Germany in late April 1944 and suspended all commercial and diplomatic relations with Germany in August 1944. Turkey finally declared war on Germany in late February 1945. But at no time were they active combatants for the Allies.


http://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust/finding-aid/civilian/rg-84-turkey.html

[chris450]

lol right before the end of the war ...you also declared war on Adolf when the Red Army was having tea in Berlin am i correct?

are you posting this because you think it makes you look good in some way?

its the definition of oportunism for crying out loud

[Ulytau]

Yeah Chris

Story of the Ship;

http://www.sskurtulus.com/story.htm

Weird we were puttin money in our wallets but same time Turkiye had economical problem cause war maybe you need to speak with elders ah..

[4X4Driver]

no you didnt start it,but you sure as hell proffited by it

now thats pathetic my friend...drinking champagne with the Nazi ambassador knowing that the gold in your pocket was once someones teeth

While you're digging..why don't you pull out what the Greeks did to the (Selanik)Tseloniki Jews..how they plundred and took over their property.

[chris450]

thats a really moving tear soaked piece of propaganda,thank you saladin ,it was entertaining

the SS Kurtulus was leased by the National Greek War Relief Association, an organization formed in October, 1940 by the Greek Orthodox Church, that started to raise funds in the United States, and to organize relief efforts to supply the suffering Greek population with food and medicine.

as i said you did nobody a favor,you were in bed with Adolf and making money from all sides

@ 4x4 Nice fairytale ..Nazi occupied Thessaloniki was plundered by your buddies the SS that stripped everyone of their property to pay for your chromite..your pockets were full of golden teeth

we looked after our own ,Greek Jews fought with the rest of Europe against the Nazis and are hounoured accordingly.Google Mordehai Fritzis (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishsf.com%2Fcontent%2F2-0-%2Fmodule%2Fdisplaystory%2Fstory_id%2F2579%2Fedition_id%2F44%2Fformat%2Fhtml%2Fdisplaystory.html&ei=vISNSZ7gNpbe0gXpwJ2GCw&usg=AFQjCNHKYl9i3rgGCPYy07M66dnEA0SITw&sig2=g3NbEmkKGtcnoTlpuOTUgw)

ISRAEL HONORS 22 GREEKS FOR SAVING JEWS IN WWII
Twenty-two Greek citizens are to be honored for their efforts to save Greek Jews during the World War II occupation, in a ceremony hoisted by Israel's ambassador to Athens and representatives of the Central Jewish Council of Greece (KIS) The 22 individuals, who risked their lives to assist their fellow countrymen, will be bestowed the title of "righteous among nations" by the Israeli state during a special ceremony at Ambassador Ran Curiel's residence.
The Jerusalem-based Yad Vashem Institute awards the said title along with an accompanying medal. A second ceremony, complete with the unveiling of a plaque bearing the honored individual's name and a tree-planting ceremony will take place at the Jerusalem institute.

http://www.hri.org/news/greek/mpa/2001/01-04-18.mpa.html

[Ulytau]

Turkey was neutral until several months before the end of the war, at which point it joined the Allies. The president Ismet Inonu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismet_Inonu) did his best to keep Turkey out of the war despite pressure from Nazi Germany and the Western Allies. During the War, Turkey helped the Jewish Community by protecting those who made it to Turkey. Later, most of the Jewish people who lived in Turkey during the War moved to Israel or USA.Another info

[Alienoz]

as i said you did nobody a favor,you were in bed with Adolf and making money from all sides

Why are you angry? Because Germans did not attack Turks, huh?

Actually we were afraid of a German attack with an aim to reach Middleast and Caucasus. But when Germany attacked Soviets, we were relieved. It was not our aim to take part in WW2.

If you accuse Turks of supplying raw material, then Sweden should be tried as well.

[deli_dumrul]

lol right before the end of the war ...you also declared war on Adolf when the Red Army was having tea in Berlin am i correct?

are you posting this because you think it makes you look good in some way?


No, I am trying to show nobody knew about what was going on until the end of the war. Not even the Jewish soldiers fighting in the US army... Watch that documentary on military channel telling the story of German Jews who emigrated to the US before the war and went back to fight Nazis. They didn't even know, how the f*ck were we supposed to?



its the definition of oportunism for crying out loud

Don't confuse us with Greeks...

Count the number of threads and the infractions you have accumulated...

[Ulytau]

Turkish president İsmet İnönü (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%B0smet_%C4%B0n%C3%B6n%C3%BC) signed a decision to help the people whose army he had personally fought during the Turkish War of Independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence) 19 years previous. The people of Turkey thus became the first to lend a helping hand to Greece. Foodstuffs were collected by a nationwide campaign of Kızılay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%B1z%C4%B1lay_Derne%C4%9Fi) (Turkish Red Crescent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Red_Crescent)), and were sent to the port of İstanbul to be shipped to Greece. SS Kurtuluş was prepared for her voyage with big symbols of the Red Crescent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Crescent) painted on both sides.
After receiving permission from London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) to interrupt the blockade, the ship left Karaköy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karak%C3%B6y) Pier on 6 October 1941. Upon landing in Piraeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piraeus), the port city near Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens), the International Red Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross) took charge of unloading and the distribution of the foodstuffs. In the following months, SS Kurtuluş made 3 more voyages to Greece delivering around 7,100 tons of food aid in total.
On her fifth voyage, after leaving İstanbul two days ago, the old ship was caught in heavy weather and rough seas in the Sea of Marmara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Marmara). On the night of 20 February 1942, Kurtuluş was blown onto rocks off Saraylar village, north of Marmara Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmara_Island). She sank the next morning at 9:15. All 34 crew members reached Marmara Island. The place was later named Cape Kurtuluş in her memory.
Despite the loss of SS Kurtuluş, Turkey maintained her determination to help, and continued sending aid until 1946 with other ships like SS Dumlupınar, SS Tunç, SS Konya, SS Güneysu and SS Aksu. One ship, the SS Dumlupınar brought around 1,000 sick Greek children aged 13-16 to İstanbul to recuperate in a safe place

I didnt know Greece or USA had Turkish Red Crescent too

[chris450]

i dont confuse you with Greeks Deli..not at all

your answer is here
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122630&highlight=greeks+wwII

saladin ,thats a nice article ,how long did it take you to write it?

[Alienoz]

i dont confuse you with Greeks Deli..not at all

your answer is here
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122630&highlight=greeks+wwII

RIP to all soldiers who fought and died in Greece during WW2.