SAS going back to iraq

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003330540,00.html

[Gringo]

good article.
Hope they can do the job and get these basterd extremists.

[Royal]

I wouldn't trust everything (anything?) you read in the Sun.

Every infantry battalion has a sniper section (one of whose roles is counter sniping) and RAF and Royal Signals EW troops are on on the ground already and have been since the off.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Screaming Eagle wrote:


good article.

Hey mate - don't say that, you're not doing your street cred any good. You know the Sun, they make up half of the stories and bend the truth on the rest.

If they have picked up on something, it'll probably be the thinnest of threads and they're padding it out with the usual b/s. Look at what Chris Ryan has said - generalisations, nothing more.

"Going Back" - Who said that British SF troops ever left?

[andrew45c]

if the SAS are going back in then they are the best men for the job after n.i
and all. The SAS are real tough and they will get the job done while there over there they should help out the americans they seem to be getting it worse then we are maybe they can teach D.Force a couple of tactics.

[DE_Six]

Never trust a newspaper with a "bizarre" section... :roll:

[Gordon]

"Going Back" - Who said that British SF troops ever left?

[Gringo]

Screaming Eagle wrote:


good article.

Hey mate - don't say that, you're not doing your street cred any good. You know the Sun, they make up half of the stories and bend the truth on the rest.

If they have picked up on something, it'll probably be the thinnest of threads and they're padding it out with the usual b/s. Look at what Chris Ryan has said - generalisations, nothing more.

"Going Back" - Who said that British SF troops ever left?

Never knew I had a "street cred"

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we all know the Sun is a rag. Doesn't mean it's not of intrest.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Screaming Eagle said:


Never knew I had a "street cred"

And you say "good article" about The Sun - I rest my case M'lud..........

[vryhpyammoadded]

Private negotiations with terrorist financers work well, while JDAM’s and GBU’s are preferable for use in questionably allied countries. ;)

[Piccolo]

and all. The SAS are real tough and they will get the job done while there over there they should help out the americans they seem to be getting it worse then we are maybe they can teach D.Force a couple of tactics.

Hmm.. nationalism, or ignorance? You be the judge... opps, did I say that out loud?

rofl

[Gordon]

One could say andrew is misinformed about the situation out there ... but then hell, so am I.

[andrew45c]

misinformed i think not any way when i said that SAS can teach delta a few tactics i simply mean that SAS troops have more experience in this paticular area of urban combat i wasnt criticising Delta they are good operators.

[Beowulf]

how do you know?

have you worked with SAS and Delta, you would've had to in order to make the comparison of tactics w/o sounding quite arrogant and foolish.

All Best
beowulf

[andrew45c]

Am I the only one who still says their tactics are virtually the same? They teach one another their new tactics, and they are virtually the same in my book. Just some thoughts...

Thats my whole point because of the SAS's experience in N.Ireland they have vast experience in this field. And yes they are VIRTUALY the same.
All I am trying to say is that N.Ireland is the training ground for all brit sf and almost all see service there within 2 years service. Because the U.S military is so large not so many troops see action as in the brit military and especially sf. Although you are right U.S and Brit forces share tactics. Although U.S soliders receive excellent training and have very high standards, im just making the point that although the U.S military is involved in almost as many ops as Brit forces, man for man not as many U.S forces soliders see action. Any impartial military analyst that knows what he's talking about will tell you the sme thing.
Im tired of hearing that im being natiolist every time I post a comment about Brit forces showing them in a good light. It is a childish person who tries to create divisions by accusing people of being natiolist of course everyone is a bit , but sometimes we have to admit that another country is better at a certain thing than others, it is naive to say that two paticular countrys sf are equal though.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Over the past few months, there has been a huge amount rubbish spouted on this forum about which Special Forces unit is better than the rest, even to the extent of polls on the subject.

The last post from andrew45c is one of the few really sensible comments I've seen in this respect.

Britain's SF units do not claim to be especially better than anyone else they don't need to, but man for man they are more experienced and combat hardened than any others purely by virtue of their small size, flexibility and professionalism, surely this gives them the edge. How can the US SF community which is in total probably larger than most developed countries armed forces, give live operational experience to every man?

In this world, experience counts for a lot.

[Beowulf]

How can the US SF community which is in total probably larger than most developed countries armed forces, give live operational experience to every man?


In a typical week approximately 7,000 Special Operations Forces personnel are deployed to 60-70 countries worldwide on missions that support U.S. foreign policy objectives, enhance theater military engagement efforts, develop enduring relationships with host nations, and carry out important training for U.S. personnel. In 1998 alone, Special Operations Forces deployed to and supported the U.S. diplomatic and military teams in 152 countries, successfully completed over 280 Joint Combined Exchange Training (JCET) operations, conducted 123 counter-drug missions in 104 countries, and trained host nation personnel in demining operations in 17 countries.
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/1299/ijpe/schoom.htm

There are a lot of USSF personnel, but they go all over the world and their optempo is insanely high.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Beowulf

I see what you say, and yes that may well be the case, however I stand by what Andrew45c said in his post, and also my own comments. I am not staiting or claimimng which SF unit is the best, only justifying the reason why so many rightly think that the SAS & SBS are up there at the top.

Remember this, the British SF have screwed up along with the best of them - Bravo Two Zero being the most notorious ****-up, however that aside, it's units like the SAS & SBS that keep the bad guys running scared.

[andrew45c]

Thank you Delta Whisky finally someone who sees a good point without trying to twist it.

[DeltaWhisky58]

andrew45c

You and I both know what our SF guys are about - they don't have to prove anything..................

[Argyll]

Don't het too carried away with the SAS proving themselves in NI
The fact is that 90% of the work they did was out in the cuds,and the 14 Int Coy done more of the Urban work!
The SAS last patrolled openly in the Early 70's,and are now considered too valuable an asset to risk patrolling the streets like regular Squaddies.
Now I'm not saying this doesn't happen,but all the Ops that involved SF,that we backed up were all done in open countryside,where as the Det done the towns etc!
The SAS/SBS does however have a better CT troop(rotational),but I doubt this team would be the guys to do the Anti Sniper stuff within Baghdad.
Unless you guys are fully in the know,then it's not really wise to say the SAS can do better,remember despite this, whoever is on the ground neads the backup to execute a succesful mission,and that backup may just be US SOF,and the regular troops of the 3/4 ID