the FN F2000 and the belgium military

[jango]

At the moment the Belgium military is using the FNC. I was wondering if the belgium military have plans to convert to the the new FN F2000.

And what other countrys are currently using or have plans to use the FN F2000

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

maybe they will adopt the SCAR? it is a FNH produced rifle after all!!

[Shrike]

Slovenian Army chose FN2000 as it's assault rifle.

[LaoSexMachine]

If it aint broke don't fix it.

[DizBukHaPeter]

maybe they will adopt the SCAR? it is a FNH produced rifle after all!!

Can FN sell the SCAR to other nations? I know it was made specifically for our special forces.

If they ever offered the SCAR, it'd be interesting to see if it overlaps f2000 sales. I see the SCAR as an evolution of the FNC and I think it makes the f2000 a bit redundant.

[Jippo]

Can FN sell the SCAR to other nations? I know it was made specifically for our special forces.

Glock pistols were designed for the Austrian army. And that is just to give an example. Why should FN limit it's business?

[Dominique]

Can FN sell the SCAR to other nations?

Yes, and they've already done so.

[Little J]

I see the SCAR as an evolution of the FNC and I think it makes the f2000 a bit redundant.

They're not the same inside or out, so its not really an evolution is it?

And if you had a preference to bullpups... That's were I think H&K is losing out in its range anyway.

[theholeinthedonut]

Yes, and they've already done so.

Even to the french DGSE!!!!!!

[theholeinthedonut]

At the moment the Belgium military is using the FNC. I was wondering if the belgium military have plans to convert to the the new FN F2000.

And what other countrys are currently using or have plans to use the FN F2000

The belgian SFG is using the F2000.

[1Cie GevGn]

So far the Para-commando's got 2 F2000's per squad (the grenadier version) and I think they're also gonna give them to the infantry (also 2 per squad)

For us regular folks it's going to be the FNC for a loooong time p-)

[oakleaf]

At the moment the Belgium military is using the FNC. I was wondering if the belgium military have plans to convert to the the new FN F2000.

And what other countrys are currently using or have plans to use the FN F2000

Why change a "winning team" ? The FNC combines the best things of the FAL and the AK(Kalash)... The FNC is a fine weapon, even it isn't "famous and popular" as for example the M4 or H&K...
About the F2000 : the weapon has still to prove its qualities... A few years ago they introduced the P90 and everybody was very "high" about this weapon, but after a while it was clear that this thing was "overvalued"

[RSone]

At the moment the Belgium military is using the FNC. I was wondering if the belgium military have plans to convert to the the new FN F2000.

And what other countrys are currently using or have plans to use the FN F2000

Probably deemed to expensive to equip the entire Belgian Armed Forces with it, even the landcomponent.

[Detective]

The standard F2000 is not as good as other weapons designed for SF, but Slovenian comapny Arex made a deal with FN and Slovenian ministry of defence to update and upgrade this weapon for the whole Slovenian army (some 6.500 pieces currently), so the rifle is now reliable and popular within our forces (they just "complain" that you can't hit anyone with the plastic..). Upgrades will take place whenever some thing on the weapon will show itself not good and an option to be replaced :)

Slovenian FN F2000 (F2000S) with grenade launcher LG1 (250 pieces): http://shrani.si/?36/33/1rqcZaFG/img0896.jpg

[KoTeMoRe]

Why change a "winning team" ? The FNC combines the best things of the FAL and the AK(Kalash)... The FNC is a fine weapon, even it isn't "famous and popular" as for example the M4 or H&K...
About the F2000 : the weapon has still to prove its qualities... A few years ago they introduced the P90 and everybody was very "high" about this weapon, but after a while it was clear that this thing was "overvalued"

The P90 is a fine weapon, and was designed and produced with an 1980's mentality and requirements. It is still the only western submachine gun that I've seen and fired, left an outstanding impression on me. Like a Hasbro toy of death.

[BlackhawkCY]

The P90 is a fine weapon, and was designed and produced with an 1980's mentality and requirements. It is still the only western submachine gun that I've seen and fired, left an outstanding impression on me. Like a Hasbro toy of death.

I agree with you the ballistic capabilities of the p90 along with the rate of fire and the 50 mag make it perfect.

[DizBukHaPeter]

They're not the same inside or out, so its not really an evolution is it?

From what i've read, the scar borrows some fire control parts from the fnc

[REMOV]

Yes, and they've already done so.No, they don't. The first bath of 80 SCARs are just for testing purposes for other nations. By the way, the largest of the F2000s and the P90s is... Saudi Arabia (not the regular Army which chosen the G36s, but Royal Guard and National Guard) which bought over three times more bullpup design Belgium assault rifles than Slovenia p-)

[solidarnosc]

No, they don't. The first bath of 80 SCARs are just for testing purposes for other nations. By the way, the largest of the F2000s and the P90s is... Saudi Arabia (not the regular Army which chosen the G36s, but Royal Guard and National Guard) which bought over three times more bullpup design Belgium assault rifles than Slovenia p-)

Is that official? I have never seen a picture or read an official confirmation of the deal.

[REMOV]

Could you define the "official" for me? Is something "official" when you can read the news it in a newspaper? p-)

[gilgoul]

If it aint broke don't fix it.
True, but the FN2000 seems to be a real breakthrought, that will only get validation (= foreign sells) after it's adoption.

[gilgoul]

The P90 is a fine weapon, and was designed and produced with an 1980's mentality and requirements. It is still the only western submachine gun that I've seen and fired, left an outstanding impression on me. Like a Hasbro toy of death.
And what were your impression on the 5X7?
I heard so many good things on it, but it seems to definitely be a dead concept caliber wise.

[KoTeMoRe]

And what were your impression on the 5X7?
I heard so many good things on it, but it seems to definitely be a dead concept caliber wise.

No felt recoil*, chews on cardboard targets like they were...cardboard. The most annoying thing for me "non-professional" was that I just couldn't control the trigger pressure. I wanted to control the bursts, but ended up firing 8/10 rounds per squeeze.

All and all the 240 rounds went down like there was no tomorrow!


*really, absolutely, feels like a hand held camera...

[solidarnosc]

Could you define the "official" for me? Is something "official" when you can read the news it in a newspaper? p-)

That would go in the direction of "official". A picture of a SANG soldier equiped with F2000 would be even better. ;)

[REMOV]

Is it "official" (http://www.timripley.co.uk/articles/jdw_bae_saudi_order.pdf) enough for you? p-)


Saudi Arabia has launched major re-equipment programmes for its armed forces and paramilitary security services because of an increasing internal threat from Islamic extremists, growing tension with Iran and significant increases in oil revenues.

Industry sources in the Middle East told Jane's that "hundreds" of Tactica vehicles were involved in the contract to supply the Saudi Arabia National Guard (SANG) for use in internal security roles. It has been suggested that the vehicles - originally an Alvis product - would be produced by BAE Systems' South African subsidiary Land Systems OMC because the Alvis production facility at Telford is now closed down.

The SANG opened a competition two years ago for wheeled armoured vehicles and asked General Dynamics Land Systems, Australian Defense Industries, Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer (a subsidiary of General Dynamics Corporation) and BAE (Alvis) to offer vehicles for testing in Saudi Arabia. Export approval documentation submitted to the US Congress in March 2005 disclosed that the SANG wanted equipment worth more than USD900 million.

This included: 144 armoured personnel carriers; 12 water cannon vehicles; 52 command and control vehicles; 17 ambulance and evacuation vehicles; 36 platoon command vehicles; 55,500 rounds of 40 mm ammunition; 3,600 F-2000 5.56 mm assault rifles with 40 mm grenade launchers; 51,400 F-2000 5.56 mm assault rifles without 40 mm grenade launchers; and 198 AN/VRC-90E SINCGARS vehicular single long-range radios. It is unclear how much of this equipment has been included in the BAE Systems contract....plus take a look here (http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USArmsAgreements2005):
Proposed U.S. Arms Export Agreements From January 1, 2005 to December 31, 2005 (...) Saudi Arabia $2.879 billion

Maintenance, spare and repair parts, and contractor services for a variety of aircraft and missiles.

Modernization of Saudi Arabian National Guard, including 144 armored personnel carrier vehicles and 51,400 F-2000 5.56mm assault rifles.

[LaoSexMachine]

True, but the FN2000 seems to be a real breakthrought, that will only get validation (= foreign sells) after it's adoption.


Don't get me wrong. I'll buy one if the price is right. Just to add to the collection.

[bullpuppy]

The standard F2000 is not as good as other weapons designed for SF, but Slovenian comapny Arex made a deal with FN and Slovenian ministry of defence to update and upgrade this weapon for the whole Slovenian army (some 6.500 pieces currently), so the rifle is now reliable and popular within our forces (they just "complain" that you can't hit anyone with the plastic..).

What upgrades and changes did they make to the FS2000?

[He219]

File pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/74443_Dehuit_Philippe.jpg

In Kalemie, in het oosten van de Democratische Republiek Congo, zorgen Belgische special forces voor beveiliging tijdens een presidentieel bezoek aan de pontonbruggen die België aan Congo schonk.
Foto: Philippe Dehuit.
23/06/2006
Download de grote foto (http://www.mil.be/def/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&INC=1&FILE=window_defense&ID=779)

[KoTeMoRe]

File pic:


It still looks like a shoulder held camcorder!

Jaysus.

[flanker7]

I've held the F2000 a bit. As I'm acustomed to the P90 I find it easy to handle but it's a bit bulky at the back, which, I believe, has to do with the provision for electronics or battery for a future fire-control system in the stock