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Lancero
02-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Having more than two children is 'irresponsible' warns Government advisor
By Daniel Martin (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Daniel+Martin) and Simon Caldwell (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Simon+Caldwell)
Last updated at 3:21 PM on 01st February 2009


Couples who have more than two children are putting an 'irresponsible' burden on the environment, the Government's leading green advisor has warned.
Jonathon Porritt called on ministers to divert money away from curing illnesses towards contraception and abortion services to limit the country's population and help in the fight against global warming.
And he criticised fellow green campaigners for dodging the issue of population growth and its effect on the environment because it is too 'controversial'.
It came as Catholic bishops in England and Wales lambasted environmentalism as an ideology every bit as dangerous as communism.
In a booklet, they say worshippers should be deeply sceptical of claims the green movement makes on global warming.
Mr Porritt, chair of the Sustainable Development Commission, which advises the Government on green matters, said he was due to publish a report in March calling on ministers to reduce population growth through better family planning.
'We still have one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancies in Europe and we still have relatively high levels of pregnancies going to birth, often among women who are not convinced they want to become mothers,' he said.

Britain's population of 61 million is forecast to exceed 70 million by 2028. The birth rate is now at its highest for almost 30 years, largely because immigrant mothers have higher birth rates, and because teenage pregnancy rates are among the highest in Europe.
The UK's abortion rate is already one of the highest in the western world - second only to the United States.
The Optimum Population Trust, a campaign group of which Mr Porritt is a patron, says each baby born in Britain will, during his lifetime, burn the amount of carbon equivalent to two and a half acres of oak woodland - around the size of Trafalgar Square.
Mr Porritt, who has two children himself, added: 'I am unapologetic about asking people to connect up their own responsibility for their total environmental footprint and how they decide to procreate and how many children they think are appropriate.

Campaigners say each baby born in Britain will, during his lifetime, burn the amount of carbon equivalent to the size of Trafalgar Square
'I think we will work our way towards a position that says having more than two children is irresponsible. It is the ghost at the table. We have all these big issues that everybody is looking at and then you don't really hear anyone say the P-word.
'Many organisations think it is not part of their business. My mission with the Friends of the Earths and the Greenpeaces of this world is to say: "You are betraying the interests of your members by refusing to address population issues and you are doing it for the wrong reasons because you think it is too controversial".'
A spokeswoman for the Pro-life Alliance said: 'Yet again we hear an expert calling for more contraception and abortion: but our high abortion figures are the fruit of that kind of approach.
'The unpleasant aspect of this statement is the idea that how many children you have should be down to the state. Wherever we have seen such policies being imposed, such as in China, we have seen a preference for male children and a rise in infanticide.'
The views expressed by Mr Porritt came under attack from the Catholic Church, which views contraception as 'intrinsically evil'.

A booklet by the London-based Catholic Truth Society, a charity under the patronage of Peter Smith, the Archbishop of Cardiff, said there was a proven tendency among the environmental lobby to exaggerate the threat of global warming to exaggerate the threat of global warming to vindicate their calls for radical Government measures to 'forcibly' move the world down a 'sustainable' path.
The book, Global Warming: How Should we Respond, says: 'Just as Marxism advocated Communism as the only solution to the world's ills, so Greens warn us of major catastrophe if we do not adopt their calls for radical change.'
It says the ideology of the Green movement ran counter to Christian beliefs, because it saw 'mankind as just one species among many'.
The book says that population programmes targeting the 'supposedly feckless breeding' of the poor, especially in developing countries, were the result of racist and unfounded prejudices.
'Environmental campaigns which demand that the natural world should be treated with greater respect imply that this is the only issue that matters, ignoring the plight of humanity or any spiritual values,' it said.



source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1133316/Having-children-irresponsible-warns-Government-advisor.html)
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Lov3ll
02-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Environmentalists have been saying this for years as well as a lot of other stupid **** which no one cares about.

oldsoak
02-01-2009, 03:57 PM
- as is using more than two sheets of toilet paper.

Sumadinac
02-01-2009, 04:08 PM
The aging of the european population is a real problem. If this man wants to limit the population growth, he also has to call for the end of immigration.

Col.O'neill
02-01-2009, 04:29 PM
The average muslim family consists of 6 kids. They are 3 times more irresponsible than the rest of us lol.

MaverickCowboy
02-01-2009, 04:46 PM
why do people say these things?

Mousepad
02-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Daniel Martin and Simon Caldwell are putting an 'irresponsible' burden on the environment. And that's all input i have about this topic.

Expert Marksman 126
02-01-2009, 05:11 PM
Maybe we should borrow some ideas from our good buddies in China...what a nutjob. Why do people give these lunatics attention?

gilgoul
02-01-2009, 05:14 PM
And this guy is against nuclear weaponry ;)
With people like that in charge, no wonder the Old Continent is becoming senile.

Expert Marksman 126
02-01-2009, 05:18 PM
I think Germany had a guy like this in charge once upon a time. Enviromentalist, promoted population control measures, liberal, who was that....

Thumpsquid
02-01-2009, 05:55 PM
Macs.

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oldsoak
02-01-2009, 06:03 PM
~The writer needs to tell that to the chavs spawning in the grass behind the pub.

Alpheus
02-01-2009, 06:10 PM
I wonder, when one of the 2 kids grows up a becomes a tree-hugging hippie at a Gaia Commune in France and the other dies in a gang fight at age 25, whose going to pay for the parents welfare checks? The immigrants? Nah, they're too busy living in their 7 bedroom mansion paid for by the local council.

Did I mention how much I love Europe?

timetraveller
02-01-2009, 07:13 PM
source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1133316/Having-children-irresponsible-warns-Government-advisor.html)
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Sounds like a man that doesn't get his nat king enough ...

muck
02-01-2009, 08:02 PM
Jonathon Porritt called on ministers to divert money away from curing illnesses towards contraception and abortion services to limit the country's population and help in the fight against global warming.That's serious business. :cantbeli:

Walter Sobchak
02-01-2009, 08:04 PM
Couples who have more than two children are putting an 'irresponsible' burden on the environment, the Government's leading green advisor has warned.

There's some more of that "European Social Democracy" for you! Over here, we won't call it anything so inflammatory. Instead, we have "Change you can believe in!"

How much longer until we're eating Soylent Green?

WarriorMonk
02-01-2009, 11:13 PM
having kids is such a drag anyways.

but you don't have to listen to me or them.

khalsa1699
02-01-2009, 11:16 PM
my cousin helped delivered a somalian woman's 9th child in UK, he was told by the woman......it helps her family in the form of money coming in from the the govt!

oldsoak
02-02-2009, 03:00 AM
That's serious business. :cantbeli:

I agree - Poritt, you are a c*ck.

el borracho
02-02-2009, 03:03 AM
my cousin helped delivered a somalian woman's 9th child in UK, he was told by the woman......it helps her family in the form of money coming in from the the govt!

Not surprised. In my area there is a massive hispanic (mainly Mexican) population. I was at a family gathering for my wife (who is Mexican) and a cousin was bragging about how she got pregnant again and she'd be getting more money from the government. There was an awkward silence and I overheard one of my wife's uncles mutter "pinche puta" under his breath.

I also find it funny that all of this militant environmentalist is focused on first world countries. The population increase in western countries is leveling off but is still exploding in the developing world. The same thing is happening with modern industries implementing rigid green quality control measures, but the fledgling economies in the third world are not even attempting progress in this area.

Connaught Ranger
02-02-2009, 04:30 AM
my cousin helped delivered a somalian woman's 9th child in UK, he was told by the woman......it helps her family in the form of money coming in from the the govt!

There are many so called one parent families as well in the UK who are not immigrants, but, have figured a way of getting free money from the Social Welfare, (accommodation, health care, etc..etc..) is to have one or two kids as well.

There are also many more ethnic families playing the same game, if you identify one then you should identify all.

Connaught Ranger.:)

Invisigoth
02-02-2009, 04:32 AM
Having more than one Macs. is dangerous for the enviroment. Very dangerous.

playtym
02-02-2009, 04:38 AM
So, is this two children with each of your six wives, or two in total?

tea drinker
02-02-2009, 04:41 AM
my cousin helped delivered a somalian woman's 9th child in UK, he was told by the woman......it helps her family in the form of money coming in from the the govt!

Yeah, I'd well believe it. We were one of the Maternity wards/free healthcare hospitals for Refugees, the doctors/consultants started bitching that something like 50% of the babies they were delivering were from "well timed" refugee applications. I think it's been stopped now.

Nanny state encourages our own domestic layabouts to breed like rabbits too.

Population growth is a huge problem, but not really in Europe, we are just too busy working and worried about the bank balance to have kids!
Most of Europe has a problem with an aging pop. doesn't it?

I do have a problem with these adverts you see about starving people in country X. Shows some sobbing guy with a wailing child, bitchin how he can't feed his 7th kid. FFS, ever hear of condoms? How many aid agencies bomb these population growth centre's with condoms?

Connaught Ranger
02-02-2009, 05:18 AM
Yeah, I'd well believe it. We were one of the Maternity wards/free healthcare hospitals for Refugees, the doctors/consultants started bitching that something like 50% of the babies they were delivering were from "well timed" refugee applications. I think it's been stopped now.

Nanny state encourages our own domestic layabouts to breed like rabbits too.

Population growth is a huge problem, but not really in Europe, we are just too busy working and worried about the bank balance to have kids!
Most of Europe has a problem with an aging pop. doesn't it?

I do have a problem with these adverts you see about starving people in country X. Shows some sobbing guy with a wailing child, bitchin how he can't feed his 7th kid. FFS, ever hear of condoms? How many aid agencies bomb these population growth centre's with condoms?

Condoms don't make good soup:p

There is an active campaign and free distribution of condoms in many Third World countries, by many Aid agency's, but you cannot force people to use them, in Catholic dominated countries the Catholic Church decrees they are not to be used as its every Christians duty to bring more "souls" into the world for God :roll:.

In other places you are fighting against local custom and beliefs as well.

Some African countries have also cited that the size of the condoms are to small for their men to use.:)

Connaught Ranger.

tea drinker
02-02-2009, 06:02 AM
Condoms don't make good soup:p

Connaught Ranger.
And after they're used? p-)

Hu-uchhh

RSone
02-02-2009, 06:11 AM
Some African countries have also cited that the size of the condoms are to small for their men to use.:)


Then they should produce them themselves, in stead of mooching them off of the West.
We have a saying over here "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

oldsoak
02-02-2009, 09:25 AM
- definitely a stalker !

Flagg
02-02-2009, 09:53 PM
I was ready to write a novel sized post in this one......

I'll keep it simple.

The empty headed zero carbon retards can lead us by example and have NO children.

That way we can stamp their particular strain of stupidity out of the gene pool for good.

I for one would happily donate a couple thousand planted trees for every zero-carbon evangelist who agrees to be sterilized.

Bringer of Greater Things
02-02-2009, 09:56 PM
Surprised that Octuplets lady hasn't been brought up yet...
Crazy lady gets artificially inseminated, ends up having EIGHT kids. It turns out that she already has SIX. So this (unemployed) lady now has 14 more mouths to feed.

California Joe
02-02-2009, 10:01 PM
Mental people can't be used for example.

That cocks*cking doctor that implanted those embryos in her should be shot though.

People should be bombing fertilization clinics, not abortion clinics. Newsflash, if you can't conceive a kid by f*cking, Gawd is telling you we don't need your genes.

Flagg
02-02-2009, 10:18 PM
Mental people can't be used for example.

That cocks*cking doctor that implanted those embryos in her should be shot though.

People should be bombing fertilization clinics, not abortion clinics. Newsflash, if you can't conceive a kid by f*cking, Gawd is telling you we don't need your genes.

If I ever got elected Warlord, I'd make you my Surgeon General.

This thread pisses me off.......I think I'm going to go home and convince my wife she needs to birth some more babies to balance against the mouth breathers.

ren0312
02-03-2009, 02:34 AM
Not surprised. In my area there is a massive hispanic (mainly Mexican) population. I was at a family gathering for my wife (who is Mexican) and a cousin was bragging about how she got pregnant again and she'd be getting more money from the government. There was an awkward silence and I overheard one of my wife's uncles mutter "pinche puta" under his breath.

I also find it funny that all of this militant environmentalist is focused on first world countries. The population increase in western countries is leveling off but is still exploding in the developing world. The same thing is happening with modern industries implementing rigid green quality control measures, but the fledgling economies in the third world are not even attempting progress in this area.

Australia's population grew by 1.7% last year, in a country where the population lives on 1% of the land according to Wiki.

BLUE THOR
02-03-2009, 03:46 AM
For some members of society I reckon contemptating, let alone actually having, any children is "irresponsible"- but yet they keep breeding...

oldsoak
02-03-2009, 07:15 AM
Australia's population grew by 1.7% last year, in a country where the population lives on 1% of the land according to Wiki.

That might sound like its got a lot of space, but Oz really has quite limited habitable space when you balance it against their ecosytem and arable land. When you have regular water restrictions due to drought in place in states like SA, that tells you theres a limit being reached.

Bia
02-03-2009, 07:43 AM
I plan on having 0 children so anyone can use my quota if they like.