Russia is going to have muslim majority?

[Jippo]

Google translation of a Finnish magazine.

http://74.125.39.113/translate_c?hl=fi&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%25C3%25A4j%25C3%25A4%2Bsaattaa%2Btulevaisuudessa%2Bolla%2Bmuslimienemmist%25C3%25B6inen%2Bmaa/1135243199336&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhjLkUMbxAHa2J4PW3mE3yeMlhpSLg




Russian might in future be a Muslim majority country

1.2.2009 13:04 1.2.2009 13:04
A A A A STT

Muslims may in future change in Russia's demographic composition. It is also a major challenge to Russia's internal stability and the internal politics, says Finland's Defense Ministry pointed out in Meeting the challenges in Russia.

Russia has over the last twenty years in the major demographic changes.

When the Russians were still the early 1990s, 149 million, had them in 2007, seven million less. Population is estimated to continue to decrease around 400 000 a year.


The situation is very different in areas with a Muslim majority. There, the population grows, and, for example, average male life expectancy is significantly higher than in traditional Russian regions.

It is estimated that, if demographic trends continue unchanged, in 2015 the Russian army alokkaista majority are Muslims. In 2020 the fifth country's citizens should be Muslims.

If nothing changes, the Russian population in the largest part of it may be Muslims around three decades later.


The Soviet Union broke up, Russia's 20 million Muslims, self-esteem and identity has intensified. This is reflected even in the fact that while in 1991 there were three hundred mosques, now they are already about 8 000.

A large proportion of new mosques have been financed from abroad, including Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia, the assets of duties.

Muslim schools are now estimated to be in Russia, sixty, and they are studying an estimated 50 000 students. In 1991 such schools were not at all.


In percentage terms the largest Muslim population in the Volga-Ural region, Bashkorstanissa and Tatarstan, the North Caucasus, and perhaps somewhat surprisingly, the Republic of Karelia.There is a Muslim population of about three percent, or around 20 000 people.

Statistics suggest that Russia's Muslim population is growing importance in both internal and foreign policy. Russian, for example, is now the Islamic countries in OIC Organization of the observer.


Interesting point of view, especially so as it is in an official defense study. What do you all think?



Original source is Finland's Defense Ministry's study "Meeting the challenges in Russia"

[asch]

Google translation of a Finnish magazine.

http://74.125.39.113/translate_c?hl=fi&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%25C3%25A4j%25C3%25A4%2Bsaattaa%2Btulevaisuudessa%2Bolla%2Bmuslimienemmist%25C3%25B6inen%2Bmaa/1135243199336&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhjLkUMbxAHa2J4PW3mE3yeMlhpSLg

Interesting point of view, especially so as it is in an official defense study. What do you all think?
i, of course, can only tell from my pov, but muslims in general are virtually invisible here.
only places where i read about this problem is various vestern media.

[intelligenzija]

i, of course, can only tell from my pov, but muslims in general are virtually invisible here.
only places where i read about this problem is various vestern media.

Where do you live?

[Jippo]

only places where i read about this problem is various vestern media.

I added the original source which is Finland's Defense Ministry, so media is only reporting them.

[asch]

Where do you live?
Russian Far East, Vladivostok.


I added the original source which is Finland's Defense Ministry, so media is only reporting them.
well, our country is huge so those problems may be reserved for southern federative subjects mostly. so far, no signs of such problems here, at all.

[intelligenzija]

Russian Far East, Vladivostok.

ok that is a bad example for muslim population. But if you go to a market in Moscow... you can see it as a problem or as a gain for the multicultural society :d

[asch]

ok that is a bad example for muslim population. But if you go to a market in Moscow... you can see it as a problem or as a gain for the multicultural society :d
well i have my personal approach to such problems. i think this is some sort of social evolution, which can be bad for certain groups of ethnos in a short terms, but can be good for country in a terms of decades. world changes more rapidly than we think and in future russian muslims can be very different than their central asian modern day cousins. for now, we can only give very broad prognosis with a high error probability.

[F16]

Google translation of a Finnish magazine.
What do you all think?

You know, what people makes russian isn't religion, or nationality or ethnic background, to be russian means that you have some specific culture of life (presented only in former SU countries).
That specific culture, or better said, way of life (we call it raspizdiaystvo) bonds all the people living in Russia or in former SU countries, so nobody considers religion, say muslim religion, as a threat to the state security, that's the difference I think between Russian and West European countries like say Germany, or Nordic countries.
Our society has much fewer restictions concerning religion, ethnic background, and so on.
Just nobody cares who you are, where did you come from, or are you muslim or jews, you just have to be a normal man and everything will be just great. In most cases, anyway.
Once a russian, you will always be russian, no matter where you live...

[Holycrusader]

As long as those muslims listen Pugacheva songs, and watch B. Brylska movie in New Years eve I do not see a problem...

[Arbody]

I want to add that our muslims are different from those "wsetern" ones .
PS. Rozpizdiaistvo as an russian way of life made my day p-)

[Eztyga]

Bring back Stalin...

[Lazy Lob]

So what's this about?


01 November 2005, 12:05
2 million ethnic Muslims adopted baptism in Russia while only 2,5 thousand Russians converted to Islam - expert

Moscow, November 1, Interfax - The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand, stated Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia.

‘Christianization happens not so much as a result of some purposeful missionary activity (in which only Protestants are engaged) as under the influence of Russian culture which has express Christian roots’, Silantyev said in a interview published this week by the Itogi weekly.

According Silantyev, the converts are predominantly Muslims by birth, while ‘those who really confess Islamic values and attend mosque on a regular basis rarely change their faith’.

‘The assimilation of ethnic and religious minorities is an inevitable process in any society. In Russia it is accelerated due to extremist activities’, the Islamic researcher believes.

For instance, he says, as a result of what happened in Beslan, the proportion of Muslims in North Ossetia has decreased at least by 30%, while in Beslan itself, where Muslims had comprised from 30 to 40% of the population, their number has decreased at least by half.

‘As even Muslim sources confirm, after each terrorist action, thousands and may be even dozens of thousands of ethnic Muslims adopt baptism’, Silantyev stated.

At the same time, the expert accounts for the small number of ethnic Orthodox people who have adopted Islam for the last 15 years, among other things, by the fact that ‘for some reason Russians seem to be more willing to join sects than Islam’.


http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513

[Sumadinac]

The trend is changing, and most of western journalists are not aware of it. The birth rate increase while the mortality rate decrease. So the population of Russia won't decrease 400 000 a year in the near future. It may even stabilize in the next decade.

Consequently if the russian population doesn't decrease as before, the increasement of the muslim population in Russia won't change anything.

[1curious]

From what I understand, those Russian Muslims are quite different from the stereotype applicable in the West. For the most part, they are assimilated due to hundreds of years living in the midst and with the Russians and they prefer Russian language to their own (at least in everyday life).

First of all, the estimate of 20 million is highly speculative. I heard a number as low as 10 million and as high as 30 million. Of that number, only a small percentage gives a damn about the fundamentalist Islam.

Secondly, the Muslims in Russia can be roughly split into two groups: those who are moderate (in Central Russia like Tatarstan, Bashkirstan etc) and Caucasus Muslims (Chechen etc) where the role of religion is exacerbated by the lack of other alternatives.

We recently hired a blond, blue-eyed Tatar girl. She speaks with the same accent as all other Russian immigrants in our office. I was surprised when she mentioned (to a Pakistani coworker) that she is a Muslim. She said, there are hundreds of thousands of Tatars in Moscow.

[Holycrusader]

We recently hired a blond, blue-eyed Tatar girl. She speaks with the same accent as all other Russian immigrants in our office. I was surprised when she mentioned (to a Pakistani coworker) that she is a Muslim. She said, there are hundreds of thousands of Tatars in Moscow.

Tatars in Russia are quait simmilar to Tatars in Poland. They are loyal and very valuable part of society. They live in our societes for hundreds of years...

[1curious]

They are loyal and very valuable part of society. They live in our societes for hundreds of years...
Just realized that there are many famous Tatars that are automatically mistaken for Russians...like Marat and Dinara Safin. Dinara just took second in the Australian Open. I checked here web site.

She openly said she's a Muslim who never practiced Islam. That I don't understand.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I am sick and tired with all these "Muslims gonna outnumber everyone!" threads. Go get your tinfoil hats. Most Muslims in Russia are native populations, they are just having higher birthrates than everyone else.

[HangPC2]

Google translation of a Finnish magazine.

Russian might in future be a Muslim majority country

1.2.2009 13:04 1.2.2009 13:04
A A A A STT

Muslims may in future change in Russia's demographic composition. It is also a major challenge to Russia's internal stability and the internal politics, says Finland's Defense Ministry pointed out in Meeting the challenges in Russia.

Russia has over the last twenty years in the major demographic changes.

When the Russians were still the early 1990s, 149 million, had them in 2007, seven million less. Population is estimated to continue to decrease around 400 000 a year.


The situation is very different in areas with a Muslim majority. There, the population grows, and, for example, average male life expectancy is significantly higher than in traditional Russian regions.

It is estimated that, if demographic trends continue unchanged, in 2015 the Russian army alokkaista majority are Muslims. In 2020 the fifth country's citizens should be Muslims.

If nothing changes, the Russian population in the largest part of it may be Muslims around three decades later.


The Soviet Union broke up, Russia's 20 million Muslims, self-esteem and identity has intensified. This is reflected even in the fact that while in 1991 there were three hundred mosques, now they are already about 8 000.

A large proportion of new mosques have been financed from abroad, including Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia, the assets of duties.

Muslim schools are now estimated to be in Russia, sixty, and they are studying an estimated 50 000 students. In 1991 such schools were not at all.


In percentage terms the largest Muslim population in the Volga-Ural region, Bashkorstanissa and Tatarstan, the North Caucasus, and perhaps somewhat surprisingly, the Republic of Karelia.There is a Muslim population of about three percent, or around 20 000 people.

Statistics suggest that Russia's Muslim population is growing importance in both internal and foreign policy. Russian, for example, is now the Islamic countries in OIC Organization of the observer. (http://74.125.39.113/translate_c?hl=fi&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%25C3%25A4j%25C3%25A4%2Bsaattaa%2Btulevaisuudessa%2Bolla%2Bmuslimienemmist%25C3%25B6inen%2Bmaa/1135243199336&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhjLkUMbxAHa2J4PW3mE3yeMlhpSLg)"


Good News !

[Flamming_Python]

USSR 1989 = roughly 33% muslim
Russia 2009 = roughly 15% muslim

Enough said.

[Karaahmetoglu]

USSR 1989 = roughly 33% muslim
Russia 2009 = roughly 15% muslim

Enough said.


I see what you did there.

[AmoebaProject]

She openly said she's a Muslim who never practiced Islam. That I don't understand.

Whats not to understand?
Russia is a successor of SU which was a little anti-religious.
In 80's Religion became a fashionable blast from the past, in Russian Part of SU many started openly baptize their children( it happened before, but not in masses), but they never actually tried to raise theie children in a religious manner.

For example I was baptized, I have a crusifix somewhere but I never knew a prayer, technically I'm Orthodox but acuall... dunno.
Most Russian Muslims are pretty much the same( assimilated ones).
Those who grew up in Muslim republics are different, most still refuse cross-religious(?) marriages.

[Jippo]

Good News !

Change always causes friction and problems, but that does not mean change itself is bad. Might well be good, if it ever happens.

[1curious]

Whats not to understand?
Russia is a successor of SU which was a little anti-religious.
In 80's Religion became a fashionable blast from the past, in Russian Part of SU many started openly baptize their children( it happened before, but not in masses), but they never actually tried to raise theie children in a religious manner.

For example I was baptized, I have a crusifix somewhere but I never knew a prayer, technically I'm Orthodox but acuall... dunno.
Most Russian Muslims are pretty much the same( assimilated ones).
Those who grew up in Muslim republics are different, most still refuse cross-religious(?) marriages.
Thanks for explaining.

Perceptions of religion, ethnicity and nationality differ from country to country…here (informed few that pay attention) accept that there is certain duality in defining “Jewish”. We understand it’s both a religion and an ethnicity. Reading about a non-practicing Jew is something we are used to. When the same duality is extended to defining a Muslim who is a Tatar by ethnicity and a Russian by nationality it gets out of the convention we're used to. The absolute majority of American Christians attend their church. Even when it's infrequent and they don't feel like ardent followers we don't call them non-practicing. They are often either atheists or agnostics.

[zg18]

What a stupidity , how can 15-20 million community out breed 115 million community , with exception of Caucasus muslims other muslim communities don't have big birthrates plus not to mention that Russian muslims are integral part of Russian nation , in Tatarstan 1/3 of marriages are mixed between muslims and orthodox christians.

I know that some Western strategists want Russia to have problems with it's muslim community but this articles about "muslim majority" and " 50 million Russians in 2050" are plain stupid even for them.

[F16]

I know that some Western strategists want Russia to have problems with it's muslim community.
I think the main point is that one.
Just for information. Our Interior Minister (Police) is a Muslim.
We also have a Muslim woman in government, she is minister for social relations or something like that. Our minister for emergencies isn't also of slavic background. And those are only few examples.

[Flamming_Python]

I think the main point is that one.
Just for information. Our Interior Minister (Police) is a Muslim.
We also have a Muslim woman in government, she is minister for social relations or something like that. Our minister for emergencies isn't also of slavic background. And those are only few examples.

Rashid Nurgaliyev, Minister of the Interior
Elvira Nabiullina, Minister of Economic Development and Trade
Sergei Shoigu, Minister of Emergency Situations (Russian equivalent of FEMA), but he's Buddhist not Muslim :)

[AlexMartin2]

I think the main point is that one.
Just for information. Our Interior Minister (Police) is a Muslim.


Well, our Interior Minister is Tatar by birth, but hardly a muslim. His wife is Russian, his first son has russian first name, he lived in non-muslim regions.

BTW, he is a good example of a person, who could be considered as muslim by
western media, but in reality he is ordinary Russian with non-russian nationality.

So, when we talk about 15-20 mln of muslims in Russia, probably only 2-3 millions are real muslims.

[intelligenzija]

do your friends drink vodka? :p

[Arbody]

do your friends drink vodka? :p

Those who don't drink vodka usually are traitors p-)

[User_Name]

do your friends drink vodka? :p

Sometimes they (muslims in GUS-States) drink even more than russians:):):).
Btw Turks in Germany also drink alcohol.

[intelligenzija]

Sometimes they drink even more than russians:):):).
Btw Turks in Germany also drink alcohol.

yes and they can't handle it very well:p

[F16]

I think in this part, I mean relations with other religious or ethnic groups we have far better situation than in Europe. In Russia there is just no background restrictions to get promoted, in any field. That's why we have no special integration programm, we just need no integration. As for Europe, I think they have several problems with their muslim community because they just don't consider them as equal members of their society. They just don't allow muslim citizens to get promoted, or to become say part of the government, say, for example, how many muslim members there are in German government, or in french government? That's why they have problems such the riots in Paris and France. We will never face such a situation in our country, because everybody is equal, nobody cares who you are, where are you from, and so on...

[a_very_ex_STAB]

What is it with the neurotic 'oh noes the muslim hordes are invading us' crowd these days? Why are you having a go at the russkis now - aren't us Brits good enough for you any more?

Please come back and tell us again how we'll soon have OBL on our pound notes instead of Her Maj.:roll:

[Arbody]

:slap:
What is it with the neurotic 'oh noes the muslim hordes are invading us' crowd these days? Why are you having a go at the russkis now - aren't us Brits good enough for you any more?

Please come back and tell us again how we'll soon have OBL on our pound notes instead of Her Maj.:roll:
idiotic comment like usually

[a_very_ex_STAB]

:slap:
idiotic comment like usually

OK Einstein let's hear your words of wisdom on the ridiculous notion in the OP then? :roll:

[Flamming_Python]

:slap:
idiotic comment like usually

lol he was attacking islamaphobes not russians

[Johnny_H02]

Come on guys, lets all just get along :)
/agree's with the man who has Obamicon'd *******.

[khalsa1699]

do you think russian muslims will be easy recruits for white Al Qaeda?

[1curious]

http://www.harvardir.org/articles/1746/3/

Any English speaker seriously interested in the subject of “Russian Muslims” must read this comprehensive research review by Gallup. It’s non-ideological and non-partisan. Full of bare facts gleaned from polls and condensed by competent analysis. They also provided interesting comparisons to other moderate Muslim societies - Turkey, Indonesia etc. They explain why Russian Muslims eat pork and drink vodka. Their main conclusion:

"Looking ahead, Russia will not become Muslim, but the "Islamic factor" in Russian society may well become more noticeable with the passage of time."

[Mousepad]

So what's this about?




http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3101/kerpe1.d/0_1fdc3_1484c61e_L.jpg

[ggk]

oh come on!

[Lazy Lob]

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3101/kerpe1.d/0_1fdc3_1484c61e_L.jpg

Lulz, I submitted to that many years ago. I have proof, look no liver.

[Mousepad]

Lulz, I submitted to that many years ago. I have proof, look no liver.

Forget "Essentiale Forte", take fish-fat in capsules (cheap as dirt) and vitamin A and it will be back in no-time. This Vodka thing was my mousepad too for a few years.

[gazell]

You know, what people makes russian isn't religion, or nationality or ethnic background, to be russian means that you have some specific culture of life (presented only in former SU countries).
That specific culture, or better said, way of life (we call it raspizdiaystvo) bonds all the people living in Russia or in former SU countries, so nobody considers religion, say muslim religion, as a threat to the state security, that's the difference I think between Russian and West European countries like say Germany, or Nordic countries.
Our society has much fewer restictions concerning religion, ethnic background, and so on.
Just nobody cares who you are, where did you come from, or are you muslim or jews, you just have to be a normal man and everything will be just great. In most cases, anyway.
Once a russian, you will always be russian, no matter where you live...

Huh, do you actually have any connection with the real world?:)

[Lazy Lob]

Forget "Essentiale Forte", take fish-fat in capsules (cheap as dirt) and vitamin A and it will be back in no-time. This Vodka thing was my mousepad too for a few years.

I will be giving that a bash. thanks.

[Van Gogh]

let me be the first to say it, if muslims take over russia, we are f*cked.

[gustav]

I just realised that with all these scary threads about the Muslim peril, if you just replaced the word "Muslims" with "Jews", it would really look like your average discussion on Stormfront.

[Lethal Lou]

Muslims are just one group. Many ethnic groups see Russia as a safe haven (!) or as a place providing better economic prospects. Check "illegal mmigration" on Wikipedia and you see see:

Russia experiences a constant flow of immigration. On average, 200,000 legal immigrants enter the country every year; about half are ethnic Russians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians) from other republics of the former Soviet Union. In addition, there are an estimated 10-12 million illegal immigrants in the country.[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-64) There has been a significant influx of ethnic Georgians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians), Armenians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians), Azerbaijanis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijanis), Tajiks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks), and Uzbeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbeks) into big Russian cities in recent years, which has been viewed very unfavorably by many citizens, and has given rise to nationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist) sentiments.[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-65)[67] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-66)[68] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-67) Many immigrant ethnic groups have much higher birth rates than native Russians, further shifting the balance. Some Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people) flee the overpopulation and birth control regulations of their home country and settle in the Far East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Far_East) and in southern Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia). Russia’s main Pacific port and naval base of Vladivostok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladivostok), once closed to foreigners, today is bristling with Chinese markets, restaurants and trade houses.[69] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-68) Experts predict that the Chinese diaspora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_diaspora) in Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) will increase to at least 10 million by 2010 and Chinese may become the dominant ethnic group in the Russian Far East region 20 to 30 years from now.[70] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-69)[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-70)[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-71)

Figure you guys can tell me what you think of Wikipedia at your leisure. However, what I see as a medium term threat to Russia's stability is not just the changing percentage of Muslim adherants in the middle of the country, but the Chinese immigrants in the Far East. Folks that I chat with there comment on the prevelance of Chinese in border towns. Russia is lightly populated east of the Urals. If the Chinese continue to migrate illegally into Russia in large numbers, this combined with the declining Russian birthrate may quickly lead to the Chinese ethnic people reaching a plurality. Then they can simply vote themselves 1) legal and 2) create formal / lasting ties between Irktsk/Kamchatka/Baikal/etc area (Eastern Russia) and the PRC. Especially easy to do if everyone has their eye on the Muslim incursions elsewhere.

[ren0312]

Muslims are just one group. Many ethnic groups see Russia as a safe haven (!) or as a place providing better economic prospects. Check "illegal mmigration" on Wikipedia and you see see:

Russia experiences a constant flow of immigration. On average, 200,000 legal immigrants enter the country every year; about half are ethnic Russians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians) from other republics of the former Soviet Union. In addition, there are an estimated 10-12 million illegal immigrants in the country.[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-64) There has been a significant influx of ethnic Georgians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians), Armenians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians), Azerbaijanis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijanis), Tajiks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks), and Uzbeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbeks) into big Russian cities in recent years, which has been viewed very unfavorably by many citizens, and has given rise to nationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist) sentiments.[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-65)[67] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-66)[68] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-67) Many immigrant ethnic groups have much higher birth rates than native Russians, further shifting the balance. Some Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people) flee the overpopulation and birth control regulations of their home country and settle in the Far East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Far_East) and in southern Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia). Russia’s main Pacific port and naval base of Vladivostok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladivostok), once closed to foreigners, today is bristling with Chinese markets, restaurants and trade houses.[69] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-68) Experts predict that the Chinese diaspora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_diaspora) in Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) will increase to at least 10 million by 2010 and Chinese may become the dominant ethnic group in the Russian Far East region 20 to 30 years from now.[70] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-69)[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-70)[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#cite_note-71)

Figure you guys can tell me what you think of Wikipedia at your leisure. However, what I see as a medium term threat to Russia's stability is not just the changing percentage of Muslim adherants in the middle of the country, but the Chinese immigrants in the Far East. Folks that I chat with there comment on the prevelance of Chinese in border towns. Russia is lightly populated east of the Urals. If the Chinese continue to migrate illegally into Russia in large numbers, this combined with the declining Russian birthrate may quickly lead to the Chinese ethnic people reaching a plurality. Then they can simply vote themselves 1) legal and 2) create formal / lasting ties between Irktsk/Kamchatka/Baikal/etc area (Eastern Russia) and the PRC. Especially easy to do if everyone has their eye on the Muslim incursions elsewhere.

I do not see how 200,000 for a country of 140 million is too much, Australia, which has a population of 20 million, took in 300,000 immigrants in 2007, the US takes in approximately 2 million illegal and legal immigrants annually, Canada, which has a population of only 31 million, takes in 250,000 immigrants per year, and unlike in the case of Russia a majority of the immigrants in the countries I mentioned do not share the same culture or ethnicity with the dominant population groups of the countries they are immigrating into.

[timetraveller]

Google translation of a Finnish magazine.

http://74.125.39.113/translate_c?hl=fi&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%25C3%25A4j%25C3%25A4%2Bsaattaa%2Btulevaisuudessa%2Bolla%2Bmuslimienemmist%25C3%25B6inen%2Bmaa/1135243199336&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhjLkUMbxAHa2J4PW3mE3yeMlhpSLg





Interesting point of view, especially so as it is in an official defense study. What do you all think?



Original source is Finland's Defense Ministry's study "Meeting the challenges in Russia"

Russia will always be Russia

end of story

[matthew.manhorn]

Well with the OMON and Russian skinheads I guess the muslims in Russia are very moderate and well behaved

[INAT]

That is why Slavs need to unite and stop the BS.
We must survive.

Muslim Russia= Russia no longer defender of Slavs.

[Holycrusader]

:slap:
idiotic comment like usually


Do not agree... That was excellent post by a _very_ex.

[intelligenzija]

You are absolutely right. Chinese have the highest chance of any other ethnicity to become the dominant race here. Many people are talking and worrying about it, this problem is real and something must be done before all Russians start eating with chopsticks. Siberia is already overcrawling with them.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oKjSTlsYn4M

[Flamming_Python]

That is why Slavs need to unite and stop the BS.
We must survive.

Muslim Russia= Russia no longer defender of Slavs.

Well Russia is not exactly defender of the Slavs now either; especially as most of the Slavic countries are members of a military alliance designed to contain Russia.

BTW Slavs are in no danger of dying out, don't worry ;)

[Arbody]

Well Russia is not exactly defender of the Slavs now either; especially as most of the Slavic countries are members of a military alliance designed to contain Russia.

BTW Slavs are in no danger of dying out, don't worry ;)

http://p2o2.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-carve-up-new-slavs-trade-empire.html some guys dreaming about Slavs Empire p-) 400 mln slavic people

[matthew.manhorn]

While Russians populated Easten Ukraine, Estonia, Kazakhstan, and other former Soviet states?

Are the Russians gonna be afraid of Muslim passports next?

[AlexMartin2]

While Russians populated Easten Ukraine, Estonia, Kazakhstan, and other former Soviet states?

Russian population are steadily decreasing in all states. Most of them move to Russia. For example, two or three days ago I read an article about Kazakhstan. Their government extremely worried about leaving Russians, because many of them worked in industry and have good education.
In time of crisis this issue became critical to their stability.



Are the Russians gonna be afraid of Muslim passports next?

What do you mean? What is Muslim passports?

[Holycrusader]

Russian population are steadily decreasing in all states. Most of them move to Russia. For example, two or three days ago I read an article about Kazakhstan. Their government extremely worried about leaving Russians, because many of them worked in industry and have good education.
In time of crisis this issue became critical to their stability.



What do you mean? What is Muslim passports?

When I was in Kazachstan I need Russian transit visa. Queque of Russian from Kazachstan wanting to go back was quaite large.

Im not suprised. At least once I was attacked as an "Russian" with Kazakh girl. Of course nobody notice that Im from Poland, until I respond say them few not nice poilsh words...

[Flamming_Python]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oKjSTlsYn4M

Those are Kazakhs from KVN I believe :)

[Ulytau]

^^^^

Dude with glasses make me scared.



The ancestors of many of today’s Russians adopted Orthodox Christianity in the 10th century.[181] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#cite_note-encarta-180) The 2007 International Religious Freedom Report published by the US Department of State said that approximately 100 million citizens consider themselves Russian Orthodox Christians.[182] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#cite_note-181) According to a poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCIOM), 63% of respondents considered themselves Russian Orthodox, 6% of respondents considered themselves Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) and less than 1% considered themselves either Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant or Jewish. Another 12% said they believe in God, but did not practice any religion, and 16% said they are non-believerFrom Wikipedia

As i know Russia is the Observer Country at Organisation of the Islamic Conference..

True question must be what kind of Islam going to be majority in Russia cause they dont give any f**k to who singing moderate Islam songs or Wahabi issues.As i know Sufi ideology is the strong at Russian Muslims also when ethinical groups care bout religion same time they know very well it must be between God and Person herself/himself.

When a country solve their problems when a country do serious things for solvin problem between people..

My personal idea Russia - Georgia war must be serious example to everyone cause if you guys check pics you can see many ethnic people at Russian Army too.

[Laworkerbee]

As i know Russia is the Observer Country at Organisation of the Islamic Conference..

Always found that organization strange, it is the only world body where religion is the basis for membership.

[ggk]

Always found that organization strange, it is the only world body where religion is the basis for membership.


ohhh yeah islam strong........