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daily666
02-03-2009, 07:26 PM
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The European Union warned the US yesterday against plunging the world into depression by adopting a planned “Buy American” policy, intensifying fears of a trade war.

The EU threatened to retaliate if the US Congress went ahead with sweeping measures in its $800 billion (£554 billion) stimulus plan to restrict spending to American goods and services.

Gordon Brown was caught in the crossfire as John Bruton, the EU Ambassador to Washington, said that “history has shown us” where the closing of markets leads — a clear reference to the Depression of the 1930s, triggered by US protectionist laws.

Last night Mr Obama gave a strong signal that he would remove the most provocative passages from the Bill.

“I agree that we can’t send a protectionist message,” he said in an interview with Fox TV. “I want to see what kind of language we can work on this issue. I think it would be a mistake, though, at a time when worldwide trade is declining, for us to start sending a message that somehow we’re just looking after ourselves and not concerned with world trade.”

Mr Brown does not want to join criticism of President Obama’s stimulus proposals, which he sees as vindicating his own, but the Prime Minister remains strongly anti-protectionist, resisting calls yesterday for more safeguards for British workers.

Trade unions demanded a tightening of the law on the use of foreign workers as hundreds again walked out at the Lindsey oil refinery in protest at the hiring of Italian and Portuguese workers, and energy workers around the country followed suit.

A spokesman for the Prime Minister refused to condemn the “Buy American” clause. When pressed, the spokesman said that Mr Brown had repeatedly made clear that he was opposed to protectionist measures. He would not say, however, whether Britain was lobbying the new Administration to drop the clause.

Mr Brown remained in favour of President Obama’s decision to inject cash into the economy. “We are supportive of the approach in the US in terms of their fiscal policy.”

The EU warnings came in letters to US political leaders in Congress, Timothy Geithner, the Treasury Secretary, and Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State. Mr Bruton urged them to respect the decision taken by the G20, the world’s leading economic nations, in Washington last November to resist protectionism as a defence against the crisis. They are expected to meet again in London in April.

“Failing this risks entering into a spiral of protectionist measures around the globe that can only hurt our economies further,” he wrote.

“Open markets remain the essential precondition for a rapid recovery from the crisis, and history has shown us where measures taken contrary to this principle can lead us.”

Under the “Buy American” clause passed by the US House of Representatives, American iron and steel must be used in construction projects that form part of the recovery plan. The US Senate wants to extend the scope of the clause before the Bill goes to the White House for approval.

The European Commission’s powerful trade department, a bastion of open markets formerly headed by Lord Mandelson, said yesterday that the “Buy American” clause was “the worst possible signal” that could be sent to world trade.

A spokesman said: “We are particularly concerned about the signal that these measures could send to the world at a time when all countries are facing difficulties. Where America leads, many others tend to follow.”

The Commission believes that the US move would violate international trade rules policed by the Geneva-based World Trade Organisation (WTO). The Commission also made clear that it was keeping an equally vigilant eye on protectionist moves within Europe as France prepared to insist that its motor manufacturers buy their parts only from French companies.

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Romulus
02-03-2009, 07:47 PM
"Buy American" doesn't mean squat anymore to the average American consumer. I can understand the EU getting pissed and would love to see more products I purchase say made in Germany, UK, Italy. Unfortunately, we love to buy cheap **** here in the US that breaks easily or gives me some sort of cancer and made by a 10year old boy in Communist China.

Bottom line..... I think the EU may be making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

NuckmasterJ
02-03-2009, 08:23 PM
"Buy American" doesn't mean squat anymore to the average American consumer. I can understand the EU getting pissed and would love to see more products I purchase say made in Germany, UK, Italy. Unfortunately, we love to buy cheap **** here in the US that breaks easily or gives me some sort of cancer and made by a 10year old boy in Communist China.

Bottom line..... I think the EU may be making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

The "Buy American" plan does not target the American consumer. It targets big business. Obama's plan was to force anyone who wants a piece of the billion dollar boondoggle infrastructure fund to use American made raw materials.

Consumer products never even blipped on that mans radar.

Flagg
02-03-2009, 08:44 PM
The EU is completely hypocritical.

While they are whingeing about promoting Made in the USA, they are caving in to uncompetitive European dairy farmers crying and bleating about the need for subsidies and tarriffs.

Do as I say, not as I do.

deagle
02-03-2009, 09:25 PM
i say how about an even split of import/export volumes ??

Hollis
02-03-2009, 09:26 PM
EU needs to bail out their own business.


The bail out is for Americans, from American money, I don't know what is hard to understand.

Flagg
02-03-2009, 09:53 PM
Use Warren Buffett's very simple idea:

Issue Import Certificates to every Exporter for an equal amount of that which they export.

Exporters, then sell Import Certificates to Importers on the open market.

Cost of Import Certificates would force more balanced and sustainable trade.

Yin/Yang.....balance restored to The Force.

ren0312
02-03-2009, 09:57 PM
Use Warren Buffett's very simple idea:

Issue Import Certificates to every Exporter for an equal amount of that which they export.

Exporters, then sell Import Certificates to Importers on the open market.

Cost of Import Certificates would force more balanced and sustainable trade.

Yin/Yang.....balance restored to The Force.

Or why not just raise the savings rate of Americans to 10% or so in a gradual manner, say by 1.5% per year, that would automatically result in the balanced trade balance.

sinophile
02-03-2009, 09:59 PM
The "Buy American" plan does not target the American consumer. It targets big business. Obama's plan was to force anyone who wants a piece of the billion dollar boondoggle infrastructure fund to use American made raw materials. Consumer products never even blipped on that mans radar.

It doesn't work that way. Use your brain, research the issue and THINK about this:

FACT: countries that enacted tariffs on foreign goods during the great depression took longer to recover than countries who did not.

FACT: import tariffs worsened the severity and length of the great depression.

FACT: the US needs to lead in opening markets, and demanding open markets, for worldwide unemployment to decrease and for the worldwide economy to improve. Overcapacity - which is the central cause of the "super recession" is ultimately resolved by increased global consumption (increased standard of living).

Anything else is b.s. pandering for political purposes and is going to involve a lot more unnecessary pain. So far, Obama is an amateur.

BearInBunnySuit
02-04-2009, 12:04 AM
Or why not just raise the savings rate of Americans to 10% or so in a gradual manner, say by 1.5% per year, that would automatically result in the balanced trade balance.

It's a great idea but probably difficult to implement. You would have to raise interest rates to do that and given that the American economy is fueled with borrowed funds to begin with, it would be too much of a challenge.

WarDancer
02-04-2009, 02:31 AM
Everytime BHO turns around he gets slapped by political reality. Easy to make campaign promises, its another thing once you get into office and find out those promises are not so easily kept.

JRT
02-04-2009, 02:44 AM
The EU is completely hypocritical.

While they are whingeing about promoting Made in the USA, they are caving in to uncompetitive European dairy farmers crying and bleating about the need for subsidies and tarriffs.

Do as I say, not as I do.

The question was not about farming products here, but of industry raw materiel and products. Of these, I can hardly see an EU hypocricy, but feel free to educate.

Secondly the sudden disappearing of EU farming subsidies would lead to higher food prices all over the union, leading to increased poverty. Food prices really hurt only those whom food price is an issue = the poor. Giving up on EU subsidies wouldn't likely lead to massive food imports outside the union, as there aren't that much surplus capacity elsewhere.

The EU farming subsidy system is indeed far from perfect and the EU is in the process of renewing the system, but it is a slow process, like everything that influences all 27 member states.

Farming and the ability to grow food is also a matter of national security, as many countries cannot depend on foreign food in times of crisis. That is one of the reasons otherwise uneconomical forms of food production must be supported through subsidies in the good, peaceful times. Nations need self-sufficiency in certain areas.

bugkill
02-04-2009, 11:35 AM
Everytime BHO turns around he gets slapped by political reality. Easy to make campaign promises, its another thing once you get into office and find out those promises are not so easily kept.

Dude, it is the norm for every president and it was expected that he would not be able to do what he said on the campaign trail. President Obama is not the first president to make promises and not fulfill all of them, and he won't be the last.

perdurabo
02-04-2009, 12:19 PM
The EU is completely hypocritical.

While they are whingeing about promoting Made in the USA, they are caving in to uncompetitive European dairy farmers crying and bleating about the need for subsidies and tarriffs.

Do as I say, not as I do.
it was succesfull european strategy since times of acient greeksp-)

perdurabo
02-04-2009, 12:22 PM
Use Warren Buffett's very simple idea:

Issue Import Certificates to every Exporter for an equal amount of that which they export.

Exporters, then sell Import Certificates to Importers on the open market.

Cost of Import Certificates would force more balanced and sustainable trade.

Yin/Yang.....balance restored to The Force.
great idea to milk importers and their customers :roll:

0rphie
02-04-2009, 12:46 PM
Use Warren Buffett's very simple idea:

Issue Import Certificates to every Exporter for an equal amount of that which they export.

Exporters, then sell Import Certificates to Importers on the open market.

Cost of Import Certificates would force more balanced and sustainable trade.

Yin/Yang.....balance restored to The Force.
and let him execute all the trades to earn a commission

1curious
02-04-2009, 01:32 PM
It’s an interesting development - EU threatened a retaliation.

The way I read it, it was less about the specific protectionist measures but rather a warning - "do not take the road that irritates,us,Europeans so much, specifically, the US unilateral economic policies in the world already dominated by the dollar. The G-20 loose agreements are at play here.

Trade, finance and economic decisions are the only areas where Europe is still capable of effective, independent policies (as opposed to listless drift in foreign policy and military matters).

Adux
02-04-2009, 01:56 PM
Do as I say, not as I do.


The very basis modern day imperalism.

CPLHUNTER
02-04-2009, 02:30 PM
Dude, it is the norm for every president and it was expected that he would not be able to do what he said on the campaign trail. President Obama is not the first president to make promises and not fulfill all of them, and he won't be the last.

I don't recall 1 Obama supporter and I have the pleasure of know at least 20 that thought for one second that Obama was not going to be able to perform up to his promises once he hit office.

If people thought he was lying he wouldnt have gotten the majority vote.

So far he has done a really crappy job and its not only been a month.

Mackie
02-04-2009, 02:58 PM
So far he has done a really crappy job and its not only been a month.

Says who? FoxNews? rofl

Flagg
02-04-2009, 05:35 PM
and let him execute all the trades to earn a commission

Actually, I reckon make it as "frictionless" as possible.

Simple, robust, internet based import certificate exchange.

Market determines value of certs.

Exporters, earn the money.

Importers, pay the cost.

To me it sounds like a fair and simple way for letting the market develop balance of trade equilibrium.

sinophile
02-04-2009, 09:47 PM
Actually, I reckon make it as "frictionless" as possible.

Simple, robust, internet based import certificate exchange.

Market determines value of certs.

Exporters, earn the money.

Importers, pay the cost.

To me it sounds like a fair and simple way for letting the market develop balance of trade equilibrium.

The idea does nothing to prevent a country from manipulating its currency to offset the increased cost of the import certificates. It also erects massive barriers to free trade in countries whose currencies are comparatively high. I could go on. Its a dumb idea.