Mexico drug gangs threaten cops on radio, then kill them

[Dragunov]

Mexico drug gangs threaten cops on radio, then kill them
Lizbeth Diaz, *******
Published: Friday, February 06, 2009
TIJUANA, Mexico - Mexican drug gangs near the U.S. border are breaking into police radio frequencies to issue chilling death threats to cops which they then carry out, demoralizing security forces in a worsening drug war.

"You're next, bastard ... We're going to get you," an unidentified drug gang member said over the police radio in the city of Tijuana after naming a policeman.

The man also threatened a second cop by name and played foot-stomping "narcocorrido" music, popular with drug cartels, over the airwaves.

"No one can help them," an officer named Jorge said of his threatened colleagues as he heard the threats in his patrol car.

Sure enough, two hours later the dead bodies of the two named policemen were found dumped on the edge of the city, their hands tied and bullet wounds in their heads.

Cartels killed some 530 police in Mexico last year, some of them corrupt officers who were working for rival gangs. Others were killed in shoot-outs or murdered for working against the gangs or refusing to turn a blind eye to drug shipments.

Violence has hit shocking levels in Tijuana, over the border from San Diego, since President Felipe Calderon launched an army crackdown on traffickers in late 2006, stirring up new wars between rival cartels over smuggling routes.

The drug war is scaring tourists and investors away from northern Mexico, forcing some businesses to shutter just as the country heads into recession this year.

Badly-paid Tijuana municipal police, often accused of collaborating with rival wings of the local Arellano Felix cartel, are badly demoralized, senior officers say.

"These death threats are part of the psychological warfare that organized crime is using against officers," said Tijuana police chief Gustavo Huerta.

"Before, the gangs began infiltrating the radio after a police execution, which was bad enough, but now they are doing it beforehand and the force feels terrorized," he said.

Officers in threadbare uniforms and worn-out body armor say they are no match for drug gangs with powerful weapons and state-of-the art technology. Some police cling to religious trinkets and pray for protection, but many others have taken early retirement.

"I and many of my colleagues are thinking our time in the force is over," said Olivia Vidal, a Tijuana policewoman with 15 years in the force. "I have three kids. Two are at university. I would never let them follow in my footsteps."

Drug hitmen are brazenly using pirate radio decoders to flag police murders in advance on the airwave, often playing the brassy accordion-led "narcocorrido" ballads that lionize the escapades of heavily armed, womanizing traffickers.

The gangsters use the decoder to access the radio frequency and then use a transmitter linked to a CD player and a microphone to transmit the narcocorrido music and the threats.

In one recent attack, hitmen killed two officers in their vehicle in Tijuana and then blasted drug ballads over police radio while naming their next targets, just as officers were reaching the first crime scene.

Some gangs sarcastically offer their "condolences" over the air after an execution, broadcasting messages like: "We are so sorry."

(Writing by Robin Emmott; Editing by Catherine Bremer and Kieran Murray)

© The Vancouver Sun 2009
http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/saskatoon/story.html?id=1261834

http://www.youtube.com/v/7H7cQPRx13w

[Laworkerbee]

Okay, enough already, find these bastards and execute every last one of them. Mexico, it's time to reinstate the death penalty and perhaps a few death squads as well, this has gone on for far too long and has gone way too far.

I can't even get people to visit Mexico with me any longer :|

[Ordie]

Ya Basta!!!

[Clearday-TRForce]

Mexico Drug Gangs...unnecessarily long draw out tale. A serious country must easily handle to solve that kind of long story but it seems Mexico enjoys being a headline with same issues.

Definetely absurd...

[LineDoggie]

Time to turn the Army Loose, anyone caught with drugs or a Narcotrafficker gets the Gibbet.....

[SBL]

Ya Basta!!!
I agree. That's about as brazen as you can get. Something drastic is in order.

[Laworkerbee]

I agree. That's about as brazen as you can get. Something drastic is in order.

Nuevo Los Pepes http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9498/nodbr2.gif

[SiEMpre_Leal]

what your gonna read by me is probably you read a hundred times, the problem is the corruption in the government and police force! if only there was a reset button to deal with the corrupt officials.

[SBL]

Nuevo Los Pepes http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9498/nodbr2.gif
Siiiiiiiiii .

There do seem to be parallels with Colombia in the 80s adn 90s.

[Laworkerbee]

Siiiiiiiiii .

There do seem to be parallels with Colombia in the 80s adn 90s.

Let's just hope Mexico is spared the car bombings Bogota went through.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Hopefully so.

[SBL]

Let's just hope Mexico is spared the car bombings Bogota went through.
Yeah, hopefully. We'll see how it pans out, I guess.
Weren't there reports of IEDs being found not too long ago, or am I thinking of someplace else?

[clean]

The recession will drive down the street value of narcotics. And with less cash in their pockets, it will take away the strength of the traffickers.




Hopefully.

[zad]

Los Pepes were formed by rival narcos like Carlos Castaño, a few years later many of them funded the AUC the paramilitary group that killed tens of thousands civilians in Colombia.

[jupiter]

Time to kill the bastards on sight, no trial, no jail, just dust.:fork:

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Los Pepes were formed by rival narcos like Carlos Castaño, a few years later many of them funded the AUC the paramilitary group that killed tens of thousands civilians in Colombia.

what he said, and we do not need those kinds of casualties.

[Brosulus]

As i see this Drug Gangstas are the enemy of the State of Mexico and they declared war on it by killing Policemen. I wonder why the Mexican government does not respond with its military.

[Laworkerbee]

what he said, and we do not need those kinds of casualties.

The casualties are already in the thousands now, how much worse does it need to get?

[SiEMpre_Leal]

The casualties are already in the thousands now, how much worse does it need to get?

what im referring to is Innocent civilians , i really dont give a sh*t about the corrupt police or narcos that are killing eachother. f**k'em

[Breakfast in Vegas]

If Mexico can't solve this problem, they're a bunch of pussies.

Feeling motivated Mr.Machismo?

[SiEMpre_Leal]

If Mexico can't solve this problem, they're a bunch of pussies.

Feeling motivated Mr.Machismo?

whoa! dont step over the cyber line now.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

whoa! dont step over the cyber line now.Mexicans must be interested in solving this problem, no? Or is it open season on cops "cuz they're as corrupt as the drug cartels". I honestly am curious.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Mexicans must be interested in solving this problem, no? Or is it open season on cops "cuz they're as corrupt as the drug cartels". I honestly am curious.

its mostly corrupt cops who worked with drug cartels vs. honest cops

and drug cartels vs. honest cops ( for not accepting there bribe)
but its more complex then what you see on television.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

and yes MEXICANS are interested in solving the problem. its hard to deal with the government since mostly of them are corrupt to the bone.

[SoSo]

Mexicans, stop fighting this war with one hand tied behind your back! Arresting these criminals and bringing them to trial obviously isn't working because your legal system has been thoroughly compromised. It's a certainty that jurors, judges and prosecutors will be bribed or terrorized. That's how powerful and rich these drug gangs are. Only extrajudicial execution of the narcotrafficantes by the armed forces can save Mexico. The Mexican people know their police are ineffective, but everyone respects the professionalism of the armed forces. Give these criminals the war they've been asking for, hunt them down and kill them all before they destroy your country. Your time is running out.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

its mostly corrupt cops who worked with drug cartels vs. honest cops

and drug cartels vs. honest cops ( for not accepting there bribe)
but its more complex then what you see on television.When honest cops die, or people working for the betterment of their country die (like so many in Iraq for example), that hurts me the most.

I realize this is simpliflying things, but essentially honest cops who aren't bought off are being killed? And can't the federal government do anything?

I'm outside looking in, but this seems a serious threat to Mexico's development as a nation.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

When honest cops die, or people working for the betterment of their country die (like so many in Iraq for example), that hurts me the most.

I realize this is simpliflying things, but essentially honest cops who aren't bought off are being killed? And can't the federal government do anything?

I'm outside looking in, but this seems a serious threat to Mexico's development as a nation.

once again, its the federal government thats corrupt, some say the government is aligned(sp) with the Sinaloan cartel to get rid of the rest of the competition, others say its the government who wants to get rid of cartels all together. so many conspiracys so little time.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

once again, its the federal government thats corrupt, some say the government is aligned(sp) with the Sinaloan cartel to get rid of the rest of the competition, others say its the government who wants to get rid of cartels all together. so many conspiracys so little time.Damn. I wonder how the honest cops deal with the pressure. Like prohibition America 1920s/30s.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

I wouldnt want to be in there shoes, I really dont know how to answer that question.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

I wouldnt want to be in there shoes, I really dont know how to answer that question.Neither do I. It saddens me every time I hear about it, and it seems to be every week. Does it get that much press in Mexico as it does in the US? Excuse my ignorance... but I don't follow the Mexican press as I don't read Spanish well.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Neither do I. It saddens me every time I hear about it, and it seems to be every week. Does it get that much press in Mexico as it does in the US? Excuse my ignorance... but I don't follow the Mexican press as I don't read Spanish well.

Dont worry, and yes it does get much press in mexico, and in the u.s.? i would yes. but not like a "BREAKING NEWS" story, you should watch CNN with Lou dobbs, i really dont like the man but hey ..television is good entertainment.

[RomanS]

Disgusting !!!

Kill them all, dont ask questions, dont give comments. DECLARE war on those thugs. Put their families away, if they share a plate with scum like that.

Come on Mexico .....

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Dont worry, and yes it does get much press in mexico, and in the u.s.? i would yes. but not like a "BREAKING NEWS" story, you should watch CNN with Lou dobbs, i really dont like the man but hey ..television is good entertainment.It gets a fair degree of press in the US.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

yeah i would say so.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Disgusting !!!

Kill them all, dont ask questions, dont give comments. DECLARE war on those thugs. Put their families away, if they share a plate with scum like that.

Come on Mexico .....

RomanS, love the piks you posted on your russian military thread by the way!

[RomanS]

RomanS, love the piks you posted on your russian military thread by the way!

Thanks

now imagine some drug thugs threaten my Russian friends you see on my photos, and than kill a few of them....

[neophyte77]

It's an endless war, it makes me sad and angry the same time...

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Thanks

now imagine some drug thugs threaten my Russian friends you see on my photos, and than kill a few of them....

i could imagine that. Does russia have its own " War on drugs" im really curious about that. since mostly its fighting with the chechnyans( sorry for diff subject on this thread)

[Shurik SST]

What a hard situation. Poor people will accept bribes. And this is all about billions of dollars in a poor country.

We need to think hard about de-criminalizing at least pot or small amounts of other stuff to take some of the money out of the equation. While there is all this money in it, there will be people desperate enough to do this kind of disgusting act. Couple this with the cult of Machismo, you got a volatile mixture of poor people trying to prove themselves in a very brutal and violent way.

It happened with the prohibition where there were high incetives to be as brutal as possible in order to make money in a highly profitable business. These people make easy billions and will stop at nothing and the culture and the poverty add to the appeal of these extremely brutal people so they will always have fresh recruits from the lowest and most impoverished level of society.

RIP to the policemen.

[RomanS]

i could imagine that. Does russia have its own " War on drugs" im really curious about that. since mostly its fighting with the chechnyans( sorry for diff subject on this thread)

No drug war, there was a mafia war 91-99

that got solved fast

they tried to **** with police a few times, than human rights watch got involved "Russian police ... brutal this, brutal that...

What ever is left of thugs they now pay taxes, and donate money to charities.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

No drug war, there was a mafia war 91-99

that got solved fast

they tried to **** with police a few times, than human rights watch got involved "Russian police ... brutal this, brutal that...

What ever is left of thugs now pay taxes, and donate money to charities.

same sh*t is going on with the human rights watch with the army, and the U.N.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Criminals have no rights. Your criminals wear a uniform. I've been robbed twice by the militia and every single one of my business partners pays to stay in business. Not to mention the GAI. It's petty, but annoying as hell.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

What a hard situation. Poor people will accept bribes. And this is all about billions of dollars in a poor country.

We need to think hard about de-criminalizing at least pot or small amounts of other stuff to take some of the money out of the equation. While there is all this money in it, there will be people desperate enough to do this kind of disgusting act. Couple this with the cult of Machismo, you got a volatile mixture of poor people trying to prove themselves in a very brutal and violent way.

It happened with the prohibition where there were high incetives to be as brutal as possible in order to make money in a highly profitable business. These people make easy billions and will stop at nothing and the culture and the poverty add to the appeal of these extremely brutal people so they will always have fresh recruits from the lowest and most impoverished level of society.

RIP to the policemen.

while i agree with your opinion, trying to make maryjuana legal will be a challenge, even the cartels will probably kill politicians going with the idea.

[RomanS]

Your criminals wear a uniform. I've been robbed twice by the militia and every single one of my business partners pays to stay in business. Not to mention the GAI. It's petty, but annoying as hell.

thats because cops won against criminals, now they are trying to see what its like to be in a dark costume.

hopefully proper people will take the costume away soon from those motherless fuks.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

thats because cops won against criminals, now they are trying to see what its like being in a dark costume.

hopefully proper people will take the costume away soon from those motherless fuks.x2. Soglasen.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

And luckily, I haven't felt the edge of the sword from the criminals in uniform. Me and my friend successfuly have a small bussiness here and are going to hopefully open a second one soon wootSooner or later they'll come. The fire department will be one of the first. Everything must be "according to regulations" because you "wouldn't want to have a problem".

Good luck though man, the only way to get through life is to attack.

[RomanS]

Sooner or later they'll come. The fire department will be one of the first. Everything must be "according to regulations" because you "wouldn't want to have a problem".

Good luck though man, the only way to get through life is to attack.

I agree Breakfast too, its a lot EASIER in the states.

Here you only have to worry about big corporations moving you the fuk out, the LEGAL Way

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Sooner or later they'll come. The fire department will be one of the first. Everything must be "according to regulations" because you "wouldn't want to have a problem".

Good luck though man, the only way to get through life is to attack.

oh and "BREAKFAST in VEGAS" watch the movie "Traffic" with michael douglas it will give you a lil tiny piece of whats going on in mexico and in the u.s., great movie.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Mexico Drug Gangs...unnecessarily long draw out tale. A serious country must easily handle to solve that kind of long story but it seems Mexico enjoys being a headline with same issues.

Definetely absurd...

Well said, well said! :roll: However, Turkey isn't right next door to the biggest drug consuming country in the world and the largest weapons market in the world. As long as the demand exists there will always be suppliers willing to reap huge profits and risk whatever it takes. Besides, just north of the border, and with relative ease they can get their hands on any sort of weapon desired and any other sort of toy that they wish.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

oh and "BREAKFAST in VEGAS" watch the movie "Traffic" with michael douglas it will give you a lil tiny piece of whats going on in mexico and in the u.s., great movie.Seen it... great film. You feel it has an element of truth? del Toro's character?

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Well said, well said! :roll: However, Turkey isn't right next door to the biggest drug consuming country in the world and the largest weapons market in the world. As long as the demand exists there will always be suppliers willing to reap huge profits and risk whatever it takes. Besides, just north of the border, and with relative ease they can get their hands on any sort of weapon desired and any other sort of toy that they wish.

except a battle tank or attack helicopter ( sarcasm)
submarines...been there done that.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Seen it... great film. You feel it has an element of truth? del Toro's character?

I wouldnt doubt it. my belief is they make movies for a reason. and del toro's character is unique trying to stay legit while his freind gets involved in the BS.

[Shurik SST]

while i agree with your opinion, trying to make maryjuana legal will be a challenge, even the cartels will probably kill politicians going with the idea.

I think this should be done in the US... We need to look into taking out the money out of the equation. All of this si driven by profits to be made in the US. Somehow, the flow of money must be reduced. We need to move the equation so that there is less incetive.

"Wars on Drugs" fail as they are not adressing anything of value and they just criminalize the whole thing wchich make is so highly profitable.

[socom6]

I already know what to do with nasty scum like those gangs.

But the howls of protest about how the govt. are too brutal would ensue. Do the damn thing like Singapore Iran Malaysia and kill the wicked bastards.

Also its time to reconsider the so called "war on drugs" on the American side. All this crap about illegal narcotics is putting money in the wrong hands, its time national governments and pharmaceuticals make money from LEGAL narcotic sales since America and Europe governments cant control their own drug using population without committing political suicide.

[SoSo]

It's really sad, the harm drugs do to society. They don't appeal to everyone, some people wouldn't try drugs even if they were legal; it's just not their thing. But they generate such enormous sums of money that even those who aren't interested in taking drugs will either be bought off, or if they are uncorruptable, murdered by someone who can be bought off. It's not the drugs that are causing so much harm, but rather the criminalization of drugs. For every addict who overdoses on cocaine or heroin, how many non drug users have been killed in this ruinous war against drugs?

[rOjOdogg]

What all of you dont seem to understand is that there would be no cartels if the USA would quit using and buying all the drugs that are smuggled through my country. And secondly almost all of the arms and ammo are being smuggled into Mexico from the USA. So we have 3 major problems, the worst is the corruption we have and the other two problems are the USA. They say they secure the borders but everytime a police officer dies its with a gun and ammo from the USA.

When we try to send in the military, they do a great job, but the corrupt police in all levels of goverment cry out and get the goverment to pull them back, its a no win situation in Mexico right now, and its just getting worse, yesterday they tryied killing the head of the Federal Police in Tijuana in a running gun battle troughout the city streets.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

^^^^ DUDE... don't blame US for your country's faults. Your country could eliminate this problems if they want to. They have the strength to wipe out the cartels, but they're not!


And from where in the US are they going to get weapons? I would think most of the illegal weapons in US come from Mexico.

:cantbeli:

Edit to add: If US didn't buy drugs, someone else would.

dude! come on now, do you think all illegal weapons in the U.S. come from mexico? are you high? no disrespect. but just think about it, Mexico sends the drugs to U.S. Markets, U.S. sends guns to Mexican cartels. Theres even reports of U.S. military personnel sending Military issue weaponry to Mexico. you need to do some studying. :cantbeli:

[Dragunov]

^^^^ DUDE... don't blame US for your country's faults. Your country could eliminate this problems if they want to. They have the strength to wipe out the cartels, but they're not!


And from where in the US are they going to get weapons? I would think most of the illegal weapons in US come from Mexico.

:cantbeli:

Edit to add: If US didn't buy drugs, someone else would.

http://www.youtube.com/v/aiDAmGSao7Y
That will inform you.

[Airgun_Hunter]

IF only those piojosos were as good working honestly as they are learning radio codes this would be a different country.

SHoot the piojosos on sight. Enough is enough!!!

[Spaz]

This is really a sad thing, but just goes to show Mexico should have attempted to fix the problem when it first arose. Then again Mexico can't really take care of themselves much in the first place.

[helomech]

This whole Mexico situation reminds me so much of Colombias' drug wars of the 80s' and early 90's,open warfare bordering on civil war

As someone else said,how many more people have to die before the Mexcian goverment can pull itself out of the corruption to fightback and win?

And the US is not sole cause of Mexicos' problems,wherever in the world has a demand for narcotics the problems will follow;don't blame the the US for your rampant problems-if your law enforcement and federal officials were not so easily swayed/bought with the enticement of money and power you may not have been so deep into this sh1tpile you're currently in

RIP to the honest people who have died fighting this long battle for both Mexico and the US

[Airgun_Hunter]

This is really a sad thing, but just goes to show Mexico should have attempted to fix the problem when it first arose. Then again Mexico can't really take care of themselves much in the first place.

Just like the U.S. of A. is the worlds biggest drug consumer and haven't gotten any better. So the situation goes hand to hand in both of our countries sadly.

As long as there's a humongous amount of junkies needing the stuff someone will find a way to provide it to them.

Who better than your next door neighbors eh? :-(

[SiEMpre_Leal]

Thank you for the video and it proved the other guy's point.
This video talked about people buying legal guns legally in US because in Mexico it is almost impossible to legally purchase a gun. But what about ILLEGAL weapons? Like automatic assault rifles, machine guns, submachine guns, weapons that fire armor-piercing bullets, anti-material rifles, grenades, grenade launchers, and missile launchers. Where do they get those from? Just wondering. Thanks in advance.

U.S. aint the only source, The cartels can get any portable weapon they wish. they got connections everywhere. Russia, Brazil , Italy, and much more, what i just typed down was a letter supposebly from the Sinaloan cartel to Los Zetas.

[Dragunov]

Thank you for the video and it proved the other guy's point.
This video talked about people buying legal guns legally in US because in Mexico it is almost impossible to legally purchase a gun. But what about ILLEGAL weapons? Like automatic assault rifles, machine guns, submachine guns, weapons that fire armor-piercing bullets, anti-material rifles, grenades, grenade launchers, and missile launchers. Where do they get those from? Just wondering. Thanks in advance.


The video basically responded to all your questions. 90% of the firearms ( including tactical gear) come from the US. Some of them are stollen from US military depots.

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[rOjOdogg]

Americans from the USA dont want to admit it but they are the largest consumers of drugs in the world, Fact! Yes you can obtain arms from other countries but why when it is so easy to get them in the USA. The love of guns is crazy in the USA, why does a person need 10 automatic rifles and 20 different handguns? I will admit our corruption is a major problem, it is easy for the cartels to buy of the police when Tijuana has the highest paid police force in Mexico and they earn 13k to 15k an month in peso´s, for you that would be about 1k in dollars a month. So the poor pay along with the corruption is one reason the cartels are here to stay. The military does a fantastic job but you cant stop the supply when demand is so high. The USA Goverment aknowledges this and has given Mexico Billions of Dollars in Aide to help fight the cartels in Mexico, because as they said better Mexicans die than americans, which from there point of view I understand, the war has crossed over into the states now with kidnappings and murders. Last year there were more kidnappings in Tijuana than all of Iraq!

[Spaz]

Americans from the USA dont want to admit it but they are the largest consumers of drugs in the world, Fact! Yes you can obtain arms from other countries but why when it is so easy to get them in the USA. The love of guns is crazy in the USA, why does a person need 10 automatic rifles and 20 different handguns? I will admit our corruption is a major problem, it is easy for the cartels to buy of the police when Tijuana has the highest paid police force in Mexico and they earn 13k to 15k an month in peso´s, for you that would be about 1k in dollars a month. So the poor pay along with the corruption is one reason the cartels are here to stay. The military does a fantastic job but you cant stop the supply when demand is so high. The USA Goverment aknowledges this and has given Mexico Billions of Dollars in Aide to help fight the cartels in Mexico, because as they said better Mexicans die than americans, which from there point of view I understand, the war has crossed over into the states now with kidnappings and murders. Last year there were more kidnappings in Tijuana than all of Iraq!
America has acknowledged it, but the best way for the United States to help fight the drug problem is to cut it off at the source, the source happens to be Mexico. Besides, not all Americans have automatic weapons or 20 different handguns.

[rOjOdogg]

America has acknowledged it, but the best way for the United States to help fight the drug problem is to cut it off at the source, the source happens to be Mexico. Besides, not all Americans have automatic weapons or 20 different handguns.

To cut it off at the source you need to go to south America, Afganistan, china, vietnam, cambodia, thialand, ect... Mexico is just a transport source for the drugs.

[LongShot]

To cut it off at the source you need to go to south America, Afganistan, china, vietnam, cambodia, thialand, ect... Mexico is just a transport source for the drugs.


Mexico is not just a condiut....


http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL34215.pdf

http://www.mexidata.info/id1924.html

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2699.cfm

[Airgun_Hunter]

America has acknowledged it, but the best way for the United States to help fight the drug problem is to cut it off at the source, the source happens to be Mexico. Besides, not all Americans have automatic weapons or 20 different handguns.


The source of the problem is the millions and millions of junkies in the U.S.A. desperate to get their hands on drugs.

If the demand in the U.S.A. is suffocated then there's no need to supply eh?

[helomech]

To cut it off at the source you need to go to south America, Afganistan, china, vietnam, cambodia, thialand, ect... Mexico is just a transport source for the drugs.

If Mexico is the transport,maybe the transport (your word) needs to be put out of commision;sure the demand is in the US,but the US is not the only country in demand of illicit drugs but take the transport (as you put it) out of the picture,it will make it that harder for the demand to be met

[jupiter]

America has acknowledged it, but the best way for the United States to help fight the drug problem is to cut it off at the source, the source happens to be Mexico. Besides, not all Americans have automatic weapons or 20 different handguns.
Why we don't see in the news how many operations against narcos, or zeisures of pot andf coca and so on here in USA? I'm wonder: the offer and demand should be erradicted, not just the offer. Here, In the metroplex, are many customers of pot , but you don't see so many operations against them.

[SBL]

Why we don't see in the news how many operations against narcos, or zeisures of pot andf coca and so on here in USA? I'm wonder: the offer and demand should be erradicted, not just the offer. Here, In the metroplex, are many customers of pot , but you don't see so many operations against them.
Drug busts happen all the time.

[SoSo]

Decriminalization of drugs would be a better idea. Our prisons are already overfilled with nonviolent drug offenders. Treating drug addiction as a medical problem rather than as a legal one would make it easier for addicts to receive treatment, without risk to themselves. And of course, decriminalizing drugs would make selling them much less profitable, taking the wind out of the sails of the narcotrafficantes.

[rOjOdogg]

If Mexico is the transport,maybe the transport (your word) needs to be put out of commision;sure the demand is in the US,but the US is not the only country in demand of illicit drugs but take the transport (as you put it) out of the picture,it will make it that harder for the demand to be met

They have been using planes and ships for over 30 years to get the drugs into the USA, its just in the last 10 years that they figured it was easyier to use mexico as a land bridge into the unguarded border area.

Again it comes down to demand and supply, as long as there is demand someone will supply.

[LongShot]

They have been using planes and ships for over 30 years to get the drugs into the USA, its just in the last 10 years that they figured it was easyier to use mexico as a land bridge into the unguarded border area.

Again it comes down to demand and supply, as long as there is demand someone will supply.


The last ten? Try the last twenty. I posted some articles previously that I think you should read...the problem is just as much Mexicos as it is Americas.

[Shock_T]

there was a time when U.S. military involvement was making a big difference because the narcos didn't know what to expect

then a teenager was killed outside El Paso during a mission, which bureaucrats jumped all over because of posse commitatus

then we found ourselves fighting 2 wars

we called off the dogs and let them regroup, and now we have to deal with the effects

[I can't think of a name]

Control the Border better.

Makes guns running south harder

Makes Drug running north harder

But some people want cheap labor and a certain political party wants more votes.

[Felix U. Gómez]

This is really a sad thing, but just goes to show Mexico should have attempted to fix the problem when it first arose. Then again Mexico can't really take care of themselves much in the first place.

Wow, that's an ill-informed statement if I ever read one. What the hell do you mean by we can't take care of ourselves much in the first place? What have you done to solve your end of the problem? It takes two to tango. If you look at your very own CIA worldfactbook you will see that the US is a very large part of the problem. The world's principal Cocaine consumer, consumer of all sorts of drugs and producer of marijuana and methamphetamines. Drugs not only come into the US from Mexico, they come in from Canada (major marijuana producer) and they come in from the coasts. They've been going in for decades. You can't control your gun sales, just about anyone in your country can own just about any sort of firearm that they want, even a .50 cal barret. 95% of the guns captured from criminals in Mexico have been traced to the four US border states. You don't even have the ability or will to create a national gun registry and you say that we can't take care of ourselves? You can't even keep your teenagers (or your olympic gold medal winners) from seeing smoking pot as a right of passage. Control your drug consumption and your gun market and then tell us that we can't take care of ourselves.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Control the Border better.

Makes guns running south harder

Makes Drug running north harder

But some people want cheap labor and a certain political party wants more votes.

Control guns at the places where they are sold. Have a national gun registry so that guns can be traced and people can be made responsible for what they buy. If you don't do that then I can simply pay someone to buy something for me then I just smuggle it into Mexico. Do something (besides red ribbon week at the local elementary :roll:) to reduce the demand for drugs in the US. Hit the cartels in your own country, they do exist, or how else do the drugs get from wherever they enter your country to every major town and city in the US? You do have cartels, and you do have big bosses too. Hit them, arrest the capos, make big busts. We see that all the time in Mexico, but in the US we only hear of the small time smugglers and pushers being arrested. Do something about money laundering in the US also, according to the CIA Worldfactbook the US is a major money laundering center. Do your part on your side of the border, then point the finger at us.

[Felix U. Gómez]

there was a time when U.S. military involvement was making a big difference because the narcos didn't know what to expect

then a teenager was killed outside El Paso during a mission, which bureaucrats jumped all over because of posse commitatus

then we found ourselves fighting 2 wars

we called off the dogs and let them regroup, and now we have to deal with the effects

Yes, I remember that, but the teenager was outside of Presidio, not El Paso. He was herding goats and had a .22 cal rifle for coyotes. He got bored and started target practicing. He was unaware that there was a group of four marines hidden in the brush near to his position. The marines got trigger happy and shot him because they thought he was a smuggler or something. Instead of blowing their cover they just decided to blow him away. Poor kid, he never knew what hit him.

[Eye]

Decriminalization of drugs would be a better idea. Our prisons are already overfilled with nonviolent drug offenders. Treating drug addiction as a medical problem rather than as a legal one would make it easier for addicts to receive treatment, without risk to themselves. And of course, decriminalizing drugs would make selling them much less profitable, taking the wind out of the sails of the narcotrafficantes.

x2
I completely agree. If alcohol was non-legal, we would have to fight against alcohol gangs. Instead of it, we can by alcohol at the shop paying quite big taxes at the same time. The same could be with cocaine.

[Shock_T]

Yes, I remember that, but the teenager was outside of Presidio, not El Paso. He was herding goats and had a .22 cal rifle for coyotes. He got bored and started target practicing. He was unaware that there was a group of four marines hidden in the brush near to his position. The marines got trigger happy and shot him because they thought he was a smuggler or something. Instead of blowing their cover they just decided to blow him away. Poor kid, he never knew what hit him.

i know where it was and i understand you may have a different opinion about it

however, the fact is that incident was the catalyst to scaling back our involvement to support missions only

[Dragunov]

Control guns at the places where they are sold. Have a national gun registry so that guns can be traced and people can be made responsible for what they buy. If you don't do that then I can simply pay someone to buy something for me then I just smuggle it into Mexico. Do something (besides red ribbon week at the local elementary :roll:) to reduce the demand for drugs in the US. Hit the cartels in your own country, they do exist, or how else do the drugs get from wherever they enter your country to every major town and city in the US? You do have cartels, and you do have big bosses too. Hit them, arrest the capos, make big busts. We see that all the time in Mexico, but in the US we only hear of the small time smugglers and pushers being arrested. Do something about money laundering in the US also, according to the CIA Worldfactbook the US is a major money laundering center. Do your part on your side of the border, then point the finger at us.

I thought they had a Firearms registry in the US. In Mexico the Army is the one who takes care of that registry.

[Bia]

Okay, enough already, find these bastards and execute every last one of them. Mexico, it's time to reinstate the death penalty and perhaps a few death squads as well, this has gone on for far too long and has gone way too far.

I can't even get people to visit Mexico with me any longer :|I wouldnt go. Dusk to Dawn..... fukc that.

[SoSo]

I wouldnt go. Dusk to Dawn..... fukc that.

I might go. Drugs aren't worth dying for. But Salma Hayek is! She can bite me anywhere she wants.

[kaos revo]

If Mexico can't solve this problem, they're a bunch of pussies.

Feeling motivated Mr.Machismo?

Who is this bola de cabron!!? and what the f@** does he know about mexico? and what's that supposed to mean.

[kaos revo]

El ejercito mexicano has more huevos than all those pinches narcos-de-poop together.They think the're invincible with their pinches rolas de poop. They think that they are heroes. Pinche cultura en la que estamos. Todo se trata de dinero.