Former President Clinton Advocates New Gun And Magazine Ban

[MaverickCowboy]

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4405
No Surprises Here: Former
President Clinton Advocates New Gun And Magazine Ban Friday, February 06, 2009 With President Barack Obama stating that his "urban agenda" (http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/) includes reimposing the former federal ban on "assault weapons" and "large" magazines, it's out-of-date to refer to that law as it was known at the time--the Clinton Gun Ban (http://clintongunban.com/).
On second thought, maybe not just yet.
In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit (http://usmayors.org/77thWinterMeeting/videolink.asp?video=Monday/amplenary/04_clinton) for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.
Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:
"[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"
After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."
Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.
Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically.
It's going to be an interesting four years, to say the least.
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[Bro Jangles]

Do we really need a new thread for everyone of these? it really shouldn't surprise anyone that clinton wants to reestablish the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban.

[MaverickCowboy]

Do we really need a new thread for everyone of these? it really shouldn't surprise anyone that clinton wants to reestablish the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban.

i just thought its worth noting when hes out and about , on about it.

i'm sorry i guess?

[Walter Sobchak]

Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."This is chilling.

I am NOT a "communitarian". I will not join their f***ing "community" and be assimilated into their "village". The statement above just says that the "community" will select which parts of the Bill of Rights it will uphold and support.

Bubba is as arrogant as ever...

Thanks, Mav!

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Just throwing this out there.

What did they used to do before firearms become readily available to the general public?

There was no police force. People policed themselves.

Therefore it could be argued that with the rise in private gun ownership governments have seen the need to provide policing, encroach on peoples lives with censorship, more laws, loss of liberty and the like.

Therefore if we ban all guns except those used by the military. It may well be very feasible that the only thing governments would need to provide is health, defense, social welfare and a taxation service.

We could basically do away with most of the bureaucracy and LE. Taxes could be lowered to next to nothing since we would hardly need to be paying this bloated government machine.

Think about it.

[Bro Jangles]

Is that before or after the unicorns show up?

[MaverickCowboy]

Just throwing this out there.

What did they used to do before firearms become readily available to the general public?

There was no police force. People policed themselves.

Therefore it could be argued that with the rise in private gun ownership governments have seen the need to provide policing, encroach on peoples lives with censorship, more laws, loss of liberty and the like.

We could basically do away with most of the bureaucracy and LE. Taxes could be lowered to next to nothing since we would hardly need to be paying this bloated government machine.

Think about it.

What about the criminals who don't turn in their guns? and the fact that all criminals get guns smuggled across the border, the same way they get banned Drugs?

BTW, we've always had a police force.
Therefore if we ban all guns except those used by the military. It may well be very feasible that the only thing governments would need to provide is health, defense, social welfare and a taxation service.

"Leading up to the ratification of the Second Amendment,[5] English and American political writers stated that society and government rests upon the popular possession of arms,[6] that arms are the primary means by which individuals affirmed their social power and political participation,[7] that arms are necessary for an individual to protect himself from vicious fellow citizens and corrupt authorities,[8] that citizens must be able to defend themselves against rulers[9] and that the possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave.[10] Madison, in composing the Second Amendment, merged these two distinct yet related rights--the individual possession of arms and the need for a militia made up of ordinary citizens.[11]"

""[T]he people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed..."[55"

[Flagg]

Just throwing this out there.

What did they used to do before firearms become readily available to the general public?

There was no police force. People policed themselves.

Therefore it could be argued that with the rise in private gun ownership governments have seen the need to provide policing, encroach on peoples lives with censorship, more laws, loss of liberty and the like.

Therefore if we ban all guns except those used by the military. It may well be very feasible that the only thing governments would need to provide is health, defense, social welfare and a taxation service.

We could basically do away with most of the bureaucracy and LE. Taxes could be lowered to next to nothing since we would hardly need to be paying this bloated government machine.

Think about it.

I did....that's about the most retarded thing i've read in years....firearms crime is extremely low in Australasia...we also have low per head of population policing numbers....firearms and firearms crime is not the cause of government encroachment into our lives......

Coming from a nation that has banned millions of firearms, collected few of them, sending the rest underground, making millions of Australians criminals overnight......yeah......let's do more of that.

your government doesn't trust you....ours still does for the moment....please keep your bat**** crazy ideas on firearms control to yourself or actually bother to run the math on them.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Dude my response was not serious.

It's just one of those things though. With the rise in gun ownership in the late 18th century came the introduction of police and more powerful central government.

Coincidence maybe. Food for thought none the less.

:)

[Mikhael]

Be happy that they want to ban ONLY "assault weapons" what is ofcourse false statement ... in UK they want to ban having a knife with a pointy tip having IN YOUR HOME. In few years they will be eating with plastic knives p-)

[vryhpyammoadded]

I have no issue with the state governments “temporarily” escalating gun control in troubled areas but this blanket banning across the nation punishing everyone, along with the preponderance of “permanent” laws and regulations of fire arms requiring acts of god to rescind is outright wrong and unconstitutional in my opinion.

Clinton and his corrupt sort do this because they’re cheap bastards who don’t give a sh*t about people. These managerial elite only use terms like communtarianism to hoodwink people into feeling “I’m on your side” and would rather take the easy road, blame guns and spend a hundredth as much spinning propaganda, making speeches, subverting, pacifying new generations of willing sheeple constituents thinking they are dependent on these snake oil peddlers.

You know, if they spent that energy on helping people get mature, civilized and bust a*s to provide for themselves there wouldn’t be a need for violating or rewriting the Constitution. But, here’s the rub. His sort makes a living fostering these needy children to guarantee regular new generations of nanny state crack addicted constituency and, therefore, gain reelection to climb the pole smoking, a*s kissing political ladder into the lame, mile wide, inch deep, look at me, love me history books.

It’s not egalitarianism, it’s not fairness, it’s not really all greed, and in my opinion it’s more managerial laziness and wasteful spending with a bit of narcissistic need for adoration. Its bad management and piss poor leadership with an amateur’s use of the philosophy behind the Constitution that once served us so well.

The infrastructure they should be concentrating on is empowering people to excel in maturity and thinking for themselves. It’s too bad the neglect of this one item will cost a hell of a lot more than fixing the roads and bridges or paying billions to a*sholes who saw the crash coming yet forged ahead knowing they were “too big to fail”. Money can’t make up for the coming liberties lost that follow disenfranchisement and the blood that will eventually be shed.

[CG51]

Yeah, if you ban guns there will be no more crime or murders. When Cain killed Able he used a Glock.

[California Joe]

Why is this even news? He advocated it the first time, did someone actually think that he was going to start building ARs in his basement once he retired?

He doesn't see it as a failed, retarded policy. Duh.

[Johnny_H02]

World would be a better place if everyone just had Martini-Henry's :) .

[commanding]

What would you expect from Clinton, the draft dodging, slimey, raping, lying, stealing, never worked a day in his life piece of dog droppings.

[LineDoggie]

he Best piece of evidence against the re-instatement of the bill was the Statistics from DOJ

More people are killed with Bare hands, feet, blunt instruments, than with AR-15's, or AKM's

But when the public gets it's info from Movies and TV they will ban it


Look at "Switchblade Knives" Banned since the "Blackboard Jungle" Came out because of a Fear from a Movie

[Hot Lips]

Why is this even news? He advocated it the first time, did someone actually think that he was going to start building ARs in his basement once he retired?

He doesn't see it as a failed, retarded policy. Duh.

Exactly. He believed it in then and continues to. And he'll continue to push his agenda openly because his political agenda now includes the potential to be a backseat driver in a potential Hilary presidency someday.

[Bia]

I figured Bill would be chasing college girls and getting high playing Sax instead of worrying about hunks of metal projected at high velocity via expanding gases.

What a nerd he turned into

:P

[Hollis]

Who needs extra capacity magazines anyway?






Haven't they heard of belts?


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/DSCN0053.jpg

[epictetus]

Who needs extra capacity magazines anyway?






Haven't they heard of belts?


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/DSCN0053.jpg
:)My thoughts exactly

[Walter Sobchak]

Here's some food for thought: require all adults over 18, except for convicted felons, mental patients or conscientious objectors to be trained with weapons and armed when they are in public. This does two things. First, it evokes Heinlein's, "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Second, it provides a ready pool of armed persons, in the spirit of a well-regulated militia, when faced with a crisis such as Mumbai or even the Virginia Tech shootings.

Also, it constantly reminds our elected officials that the government works for the people, and when a government no longer respects the rights of its citizens, that there may be an accounting.

[LineDoggie]

Who needs extra capacity magazines anyway?






Haven't they heard of belts?


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/DSCN0053.jpg You know in NY state, even a Fabric belt is Illegal for a Browning if it's cut longer than 10 rds.


You see we had this rash of Hand held Browning Machinegun Robberies :roll: and Bloomberg, Cuomo, Spitzer, Pataki, Silver all tought we need to protected....

[Bia]

Here's some food for thought: require all adults over 18, except for convicted felons, mental patients or conscientious objectors to be trained with weapons and armed when they are in public. This does two things. First, it evokes Heinlein's, "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Second, it provides a ready pool of armed persons, in the spirit of a well-regulated militia, when faced with a crisis such as Mumbai or even the Virginia Tech shootings.

Also, it constantly reminds our elected officials that the government works for the people, and when a government no longer respects the rights of its citizens, that there may be an accounting.Where do I sign?

:P

[phigment]

I never asked this to anyone but wondered about it a little. In the event that the 2nd amendment is ever somehow repealed or diluted into nothing by extremely tight by-laws, how many of us would choose to break the law and own firearms anyway?

[Flagg]

I never asked this to anyone but wondered about it a little. In the event that the 2nd amendment is ever somehow repealed or diluted into nothing by extremely tight by-laws, how many of us would choose to break the law and own firearms anyway?

Research Australia for a rough historical precedent......the number of just Mini 14 and SKS imports is a low multiple of the actual number of total destroyed rifles.

HUGE volumes of now illegal firearms went underground.

[AroundTheCorner]

welcome to the new democratic US

[Bro Jangles]

I never asked this to anyone but wondered about it a little. In the event that the 2nd amendment is ever somehow repealed or diluted into nothing by extremely tight by-laws, how many of us would choose to break the law and own firearms anyway?Im sorry officer, i sold alll those guns awhile ago.

*Goes to get 55 gallon drum and a shovel.*

[commanding]

Exactly. He believed it in then and continues to. And he'll continue to push his agenda openly because his political agenda now includes the potential to be a backseat driver in a potential Hilary presidency someday.

Oh cripes....Hot Lips...you didn't have to say that out loud!! Jeez...I hope I am dead before that happens. I don't think I could take it.

[commanding]

Im sorry officer, i sold alll those guns awhile ago.

*Goes to get 55 gallon drum and a shovel.*

Large diameter PVC pipes with PVC caps sealed, lots of cosmoline, etc. BTW .....I have 3 - 55 gallon drums here already with sealing lids. :-)

[LineDoggie]

Im sorry officer, i sold alll those guns awhile ago.

*Goes to get 55 gallon drum and a shovel.*

Make sure it's Plastic food grade and get about 30 gal of Cosmoline with shrink wrap and dessicant packs


so I've heard

[LineDoggie]

Oh, and remember to sow the area with Brads to **** with the metal detectors

[Hollis]

Make sure it's Plastic food grade and get about 30 gal of Cosmoline with shrink wrap and dessicant packs


so I've heard


Vacuum pack.............. Food saver.

http://www.foodsaver.com/Index.aspx

[Geezah]

i just thought its worth noting when hes out and about , on about it.

i'm sorry i guess?

No need to say sorry, there was a time that I posted just about every anti-gunite thread I came across. It's better to be aware of the threats ahead than sit back and do nothing. Now is the time to start emailing/writing/calling your Senators/Reps and let them know that the since the ban expired that the news and stats have proven there is no need for a new ban.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Oh, and remember to sow the area with Brads to **** with the metal detectors
One of my favorites was the damn simple wood laminated hollow metal door frame with the weapons wrapped in old shirts hanging off coat hangers from the top.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Research Australia for a rough historical precedent......the number of just Mini 14 and SKS imports is a low multiple of the actual number of total destroyed rifles.

HUGE volumes of now illegal firearms went underground.

One of my favorite gun control stats from the US was the registering/banning of privately owned anti tank guns and how many remain unaccounted for.
And people are all skittish over black ugly "lethal semi-automatic assault weapons" Hah, Oh to own a missing 37mm ATG! rofl

[Pappy]

Yeah, if you ban guns there will be no more crime or murders. When Cain killed Able he used a Glock.

Hahaha. I'm going to use that in the future if you don't mind.

Oh yeah. According to McCarthy, M1 Garands are assault rifles? WTF?

[marktigger]

Mr Clinton was bound to stick his head over the parapet he sees himself as the leader of all things democratic and will still be aiming at the next election for hilary to be elected.
Democrats are pro gun control and they seam to want to put their flagship guncontrol package back into federal law.
I still can't see what the issue is? Assualt rifles are fun to shoot yes but that would appear to be all. Is the US likley in the next 10-15 years be invaded by a foreign power? is the US president going to suspend the constitution and rule as a dictator?........Don't think so.
Do any of you feel the US has a Gun crime problem? Personally I think the time and money that will be spent by your government would be better spent else where in your economey or on better criminal/crime control measures.

[MaverickCowboy]

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4405&issue=


re's what Mr. Clinton had to say:

"[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"

After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."

Is it me, or does "communitarianism" sound like communism? be discarding Individualism for the "CAUSE" of the common? For the motherland? hello?

Am i mis-reading?

[commanding]

One of my favorites was the damn simple wood laminated hollow metal door frame with the weapons wrapped in old shirts hanging off coat hangers from the top.

you lost me on the description there friend. is this an indoor deal, or outdoor? do you mean the weapons are in a door, in a frame, hanging fom a door or ???
sorry to be so dense, just sounds interesting.

[commanding]

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4405&issue=



Is it me, or does "communitarianism" sound like communism? be discarding Individualism for the "CAUSE" of the common? For the motherland? hello?

Am i mis-reading?

Thanks for the original post on this Mav, I missed hearing him, which is odd cause he was in TX yesterday or friday I think chasing skirts for Valentines. (bubba Bill) I despise him. It is safe for him and his commie wife to do away with guns cause he has SS protection forever.
I would hate to be one of his SS agents protecting him while he nails everything with a skirt on in each city he visits and try to keep a straight face when he cozies up to Hillary "Cankles" Clinton.