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2RHPZ
06-22-2004, 04:50 AM
US warns against 'fortress Australia'

By John Kerin
June 22, 2004

THE US and Australia could lose the war on terror if they adopted a fortress mentality and failed to go after the terrorists in their global strongholds, US ambassador to Australia Tom Schieffer warned yesterday.

Mr Schieffer's backing for the use of expeditionary forces to fight terrorism comes as a bipartisan parliamentary committee released a report recommending Australia modernise the defence doctrine, which has served it for the past 20 years to include tackling terrorism and weapons of mass destruction around the globe.

In a speech that could inflame a row between the Bush administration and Labor over the future of the alliance, Mr Schieffer said that terrorism was the "bane of our time" and warned that "countries could not limit their efforts to the region or their neighbourhoods".

"This is not a time for us to pull apart . . . but a time for us to pull together. The stakes are too high, the risks too great for us to be comfortable in going our separate ways," Mr Schieffer told a joint Defence, Foreign Affairs and Trade committee hearing in Canberra.

"In this new world our enemies will not always wear uniforms or fly national flags.

"We may see them crossing the street before we realise they have crossed our borders.

"They plan their attacks in one country, prepare for their execution in another and carry them out wherever the innocent may gather."

Mr Schieffer's comments follow John Howard on Friday night accusing Mark Latham of increasing the risk of a terrorist attack with his promise to withdraw Australian troops from Iraq by Christmas.

Senior members of the Bush administration have also attacked Mr Latham's stance, suggesting it poses a threat to the future of the 53-year-old ANZUS alliance.

The Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade recommends the Government draft a new defence white paper in 2005-06, updating the doctrine of defending Australia and the immediate region to include tackling global terrorism and trafficking in weapons of mass destruction.

"Australia's interests are not just limited to our territory but stretch throughout the region and globally," the report says.

The subcommittee looking at maritime strategy is chaired by former National Party veterans affairs minister Bruce Scott and includes former Labor defence minister Kim Beazley. "What the committee found is that since 9/11 the world has changed," Mr Scott said last night.

"Terrorists know no boundaries as we saw in 9/11 attacks on New York or the attacks in Bali in 2002 ... so we've got to have defence of Australia, but also a strategy that includes acquisitions and capabilities to operate globally in areas outside our immediate territorial interests."

The report also says the Government should consider buying a naval version of the F-35 joint strike fighter as part of the $16 billion project.

While Australia doesn't have aircraft carriers, it is believed the short takeoff and landing version of the aircraft could be carried by one of the new generation of amphibious ships due next decade. However, if delays and cost overruns continue on the JSF beyond 2006 it suggests the Government should consider extending the life of the existing F111s and F/A-18s or purchasing an interim fighter as a stopgap.

OB Kenobi
06-22-2004, 05:48 AM
US warns against 'fortress Australia'

By John Kerin
June 22, 2004

THE US and Australia could lose the war on terror if they adopted a fortress mentality and failed to go after the terrorists in their global strongholds, US ambassador to Australia Tom Schieffer warned yesterday.

So Iraq is a terrorist's stronghold now that the US invaded? It wasn't before. Funny how all the real terrorist strongholds (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, Bosnia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, etc) have been untouched by Bu$h.

Maybe because the Iraq invasion was planned BEFORE 9/11 and any of this "war on terror" stuff.

Yes, it was a brilliant idea to make Iraq an example. An example to all the terrorists that Bu$h is a freakin' idiot!

Tengu
06-22-2004, 05:55 AM
its called militairy overstretch general kenobi :roll:

ShotOver
06-22-2004, 06:03 AM
Yeah OB, how can the USA send troops to all of those countries? impossible.

I am more than sure in Bush's next 4 year term, he will send troops to other countries to get em`.

seruriermarshal
06-22-2004, 09:00 AM
Australia is our great friend , we must attack enemy , don't waiting that sh*t use WMD attack our !

usa320
06-22-2004, 10:22 AM
OBkenobi, go play KOTOR and leave military business to those with high school diplomas. faygit.

Operation Ivy
06-22-2004, 10:26 AM
OB you do know we have military plans for almost every country, so if something were to happen we would have a plan ready

pinkeye
06-22-2004, 10:58 AM
OBkenobi, go play KOTOR and leave military business to those with high school diplomas. faygit.

usa320, go join your airsoft friends and leave the military business to those with graduate and post-graduate degrees...

seruriermarshal
06-22-2004, 11:16 AM
OBkenobi, go play KOTOR and leave military business to those with high school diplomas. faygit.

usa320, go join your airsoft friends and leave the military business to those with graduate and post-graduate degrees...

:roll:

GazB
06-23-2004, 04:08 AM
Senior members of the Bush administration have also attacked Mr Latham's stance, suggesting it poses a threat to the future of the 53-year-old ANZUS alliance.


Technically it should be ANUS as New Zealand is not really an active member due to our no nukes policy.


The report also says the Government should consider buying a naval version of the F-35 joint strike fighter as part of the $16 billion project.


$16 billion!!! that is about $1,000 for every Australian citizen!!! For a carrier they might use a couple of times?

n4292936
06-23-2004, 07:02 AM
OBkenobi, go play KOTOR and leave military business to those with high school diplomas. faygit.

usa320, go join your airsoft friends and leave the military business to those with graduate and post-graduate degrees...

I second the motion
any objections from those worth listening to?...... no?
motion carried.
Marshal and USA320, you'll invariably appear much wiser if you refrain from writing.

OB Kenobi
06-23-2004, 08:33 AM
OB you do know we have military plans for almost every country, so if something were to happen we would have a plan ready

Yes, it's called the draft. :)

My point was, not that we need to invade all those countries, it was that we need to cut off, isolate, then destroy the terror networks. Bush isn't doing that. US firms continue to do business with states and foreign businesses that support terror. If you want to stop the terrorists, stop buying their oil, their real estate, their drugs, and stop supplying them with weapons and training. The terrorists have America addicted, American CEOs and stockholders can't resist that terror $$$.

Sayeret
06-23-2004, 01:39 PM
Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, Bosnia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, etc

Bush is trying to make the Saudis and Pakistani goverments do more to fight terrorism. Syria has been warned about its support of terrorism. The other countries Bush already knows they have terrorists. I doubt John Kerry would go to war with any of the countries you listed and I bet he wouldn't have sent ground troops into Afghanistan.

Brozozo
06-24-2004, 12:17 AM
OBkenobi, go play KOTOR and leave military business to those with high school diplomas. faygit.

usa320, go join your airsoft friends and leave the military business to those with graduate and post-graduate degrees...

How many of the dead from the war on terror had these graduate and post-graduate degrees? How many of the soldiers walking the beat in Baghdad have these degrees? Are they not taking care of the military business?

PS. Giving life to an old topic...just because I can!

Sir Zach of R.
06-24-2004, 01:11 AM
OBkenobi, go play KOTOR and leave military business to those with high school diplomas. faygit.

usa320, go join your airsoft friends and leave the military business to those with graduate and post-graduate degrees...

How many of the dead from the war on terror had these graduate and post-graduate degrees? How many of the soldiers walking the beat in Baghdad have these degrees? Are they not taking care of the military business?

PS. Giving life to an old topic...just because I can!

I fully support that statement. :P My cousin was in Iraq last year and he's only 19. He earned the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star for rescuing a fellow soldier after he'd been shot.

cqbrdy
06-24-2004, 11:06 AM
So Iraq is a terrorist's stronghold now that the US invaded? It wasn't before. Funny how all the real terrorist strongholds (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, Bosnia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan, etc) have been untouched by Bu$h.Yes, it was a brilliant idea to make Iraq an example. An example to all the terrorists that Bu$h is a freakin' idiot!The Middle East has always been a terrorist stronghold.Saudi is handling its own for now and so is Pakistan. As for Syria and Iran, just wait.As for Bush, its funny how when we invaded Iraq, the great saddam Hussein the man of the year for 25 years ran away from Bush and hid in the ground, not to mention his his poor 3rd world country that would rather terrorize,kidnap and excute the humanatarian for turning on their lights to cook, clean and survive then to help him out.
i guess your just ignorant and not an idiot.

Black Dots
06-24-2004, 02:20 PM
US warns against 'fortress Australia'

Translation: “US to Australia: Please Keep Your Troops in Iraq and Help Us Out in Future Ill-Advised Adventures.”

Sir Zach of R.
06-24-2004, 02:40 PM
Don't you feel a little satisfied that the US, UK, Austrailia, and other countries that supplied troops freed 25,000,000 people. I sure as hell do.

Black Dots
06-24-2004, 02:47 PM
Don't you feel a little satisfied that the US, UK, Austrailia, and other countries that supplied troops freed 25,000,000 people.

That remains to be seen. We ain’t out of the woods yet, not by a longshot.

Pooga
06-24-2004, 03:01 PM
OB Ken, did McNamara have a PhD?

You're going to have to try harder to tell moi that out of all the Middle-Eastern countries, Iraq is the sole country with zero terrorists, other than via the single piece of evidence that you hate everything "Bu$h." Sorry bud, just doesn't work out.