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Jeremiah
02-09-2009, 08:36 PM
system is ****ed up. Illegals have NO civil rights in America!


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.

Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.

The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."

In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."

The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.

Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.

Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.

Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.

He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.


ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.

His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.

"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."

Blue_0
02-09-2009, 09:25 PM
Good man. The illegal by definition doesn't have a leg to stand on. His presence on the property was clearly illegal.

deagle
02-09-2009, 09:33 PM
if the US legal system allows for illegals w/ NO civil rights in USA (after all, they're not citizens), then the rancher should counter-sue the govt

phigment
02-09-2009, 10:04 PM
He's turned in 12,000 illegals since '98? How about giving him an award instead of allowing him to be sued by losers like this?

Squeezee
02-09-2009, 10:08 PM
I know, really. WTF is wrong with these people? That's like me running into a wall and suing the mason for putting it up.

Bro Jangles
02-09-2009, 10:09 PM
if the US legal system allows for illegals w/ NO civil rights in USA (after all, they're not citizens), then the rancher should counter-sue the govtNo civil rights is questionable, because the US constitution applies to anyone on US Soil. But still good on this guy for literally defending his home.

Gunge
02-09-2009, 10:12 PM
that judge should be tared and feathered and ran out of town
and the illegals lawyers too

BLUE THOR
02-09-2009, 11:44 PM
Unfortunately, since the death of COMMON F**KING SENSE this is what we are left with. Im not going to get drawn into this at all. I will just get too upset about it.
bloody sad the way our world is headed

Aerosoul
02-09-2009, 11:45 PM
I would have shot them and buried them.

phigment
02-09-2009, 11:53 PM
I would have shot them and buried them.He does have a lot of space...

RECON DOC
02-10-2009, 12:02 AM
I would have shot them and buried them.

Yeah, but christ! think of all the holes you'd have to dig. Maybe someone can come up with a hand held disintegrator ray or...something. Then you'd just have to wait for a stiff breeze to shoo off the dust.

Aerosoul
02-10-2009, 12:04 AM
He could just keep a few enslaved to dig for him.
That's what most of them are here for anyway.

AmericanAirman
02-10-2009, 12:14 AM
How come these people are defending the illegals;

"Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF)"

Why is American in there if they are not going to defend the AMERICAN in this case.

RECON DOC
02-10-2009, 12:14 AM
He could just keep a few enslaved to dig for him.
That's what most of them are here for anyway.

True, very true, and you could seperate out the hot chicks too, but then it gets into Human Trafficking, which he could get nailed for by the god damned, commie ACLU. So if you just disintegrate them right off there's no 'corpus delicti', hence no worries. Of course you could still keep a few hot chicks around till you get bored with them, then Phffffft, time for a new batch. Simple.

PALADIN
02-10-2009, 12:21 AM
How come these people are defending the illegals;

"Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF)"

Why is American in there if they are not going to defend the AMERICAN in this case.

I know, they're not Mexican-Americans, they're illegals, and they don't belong in this country.

alphasixfour
02-10-2009, 12:24 AM
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.


Okay so if this one man show can spend 30k on sensors and protect 20k+ acres, why can't the US Border Patrol do the same for the whole border(at least in remote areas)? 1 man (part-time) + 30k$(non reoccurring) = more than 1k illegals nabbed per year....

Cipher
02-10-2009, 12:24 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?

Alpheus
02-10-2009, 12:27 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?



I wonder what ever happened to legal immigrants?

Cstafford
02-10-2009, 12:36 AM
I wonder what ever happened to legal immigrants?
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boet faas
02-10-2009, 12:36 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?


You must be joking. Sure lets take all the lame, sick and dead, the criminals the jobless and all the riff raff you can find and bring them to this country to prosper in what ever it is they do. Lets see, gangs, prostitution etc etc. What do you get? A society falling apart where murder, rape and robbery is founded in the constitution. Everything a nation aspires too.

Zoomie
02-10-2009, 12:41 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?


Whatever happened to obeying the law? :roll:

phigment
02-10-2009, 12:42 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?

It's hard to feel sorry for people when they trespass on your property to steal and break things while they willingly and knowingly undermine the law of your country.

PALADIN
02-10-2009, 12:45 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?


We still have that ideal, you just have to go about it legally.
Why should one group of immigrants get in so easily by illegal means when there are tons more going about it patiently and doing it legally.

Invisigoth
02-10-2009, 01:38 AM
if the US legal system allows for illegals w/ NO civil rights in USA (after all, they're not citizens), then the rancher should counter-sue the govt

(Un)fortunately civil rights are extended to non-citizens aswell.

EZFEED
02-10-2009, 04:01 AM
Like I said before.....MINES

That would solve this :p

el borracho
02-10-2009, 04:06 AM
This guy is determined, I'll give him that. Most people would have sold the land and moved. Illegals and their coyotes change tactics a lot, you would think they would avoid this guy's property after he caused so much trouble for them, but then again the coyotes already got paid so what do they care.

Guam_Guy
02-10-2009, 06:03 AM
ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.


That one hell of a hobby

Fiber
02-10-2009, 08:50 AM
The ranch owner deserve praise for his effort to uphold the integrity of his own land.

However if the alleged abuse did take place, although somewhat understandable, should not go unpunished. I'm no expert on law but I would think kicking or threatening to shoot people under citizens arrest is illegal. The same way trespassing is illegal.

Encountering a large group of desperate people on your land, not knowing if they are armed or not, must be a very stressful situation and resorting to threats is a natural response. I know I would have felt threatened myself in such a situation. Maybe he can claim self defence?

graureiter
02-10-2009, 09:00 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"




I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?


Come through the door, don't sneak in through the back yard.

Hogan
02-10-2009, 10:00 AM
How come these people are defending the illegals;

"Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF)"

Why is American in there if they are not going to defend the AMERICAN in this case.

There's a decent sized support base in Arizona among other border states for illegals from activists and business owners who like to use the illegals for labor because they can pay them so little. They do everything from sue people who try to stop or report immigrants to leaving out aid stations with water and food in desert as well as providing maps. At least one rancher to my knowledge has already lost his land to illegals because he detained them for border patrol and one of these activist groups sued.

Since Sheriff Joe Arpio has been cracking down on immigration as well as new legislation and mass raids, many have been returning to Mexico as of late.

This rancher deserves a medal.

Jobu
02-10-2009, 11:37 AM
"My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."

The town should build a monument to him (and his dog) with this quote on it.

jupiter
02-10-2009, 11:51 AM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?

The ideal remains, but the way to get that ideal is the problem. You can do the things in the right way or in the wrong way. The resul will come acordingly.

phigment
02-10-2009, 11:54 AM
The ranch owner deserve praise for his effort to uphold the integrity of his own land.

However if the alleged abuse did take place, although somewhat understandable, should not go unpunished. I'm no expert on law but I would think kicking or threatening to shoot people under citizens arrest is illegal. The same way trespassing is illegal.

Encountering a large group of desperate people on your land, not knowing if they are armed or not, must be a very stressful situation and resorting to threats is a natural response. I know I would have felt threatened myself in such a situation. Maybe he can claim self defence?Remember this is also going on the word of the people he detained and had deported after they spent money trying to come over, so the truth of the claims is probably minimal at best.

LEGEND
02-10-2009, 12:00 PM
Why dont states use National Guard to help the border patrol?

Zoomie
02-10-2009, 12:05 PM
Why dont states use National Guard to help the border patrol?
What good can they do, as they can't carry weapons?

Hogan
02-10-2009, 12:18 PM
What good can they do, as they can't carry weapons?

National Guard troops have been deployed down at the border....and they've been insulted, harassed, assaulted, and shot at by illegals, drug traffickers, and in at least one case; the Mexican army.

Since they couldn't shoot back they had to fall back....

kalamazan
02-10-2009, 12:43 PM
The protects his home and gets slapped with a lawsut....WTF????? Take a look at this link and give the man a medal.....If the tree huggers commies had this in their agenda, it would be an downhill battle....


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e8_1234232513

Shoot them all.....

Cstafford
02-10-2009, 03:09 PM
National Guard troops have been deployed down at the border....and they've been insulted, harassed, assaulted, and shot at by illegals, drug traffickers, and in at least one case; the Mexican army.

Since they couldn't shoot back they had to fall back....
not to smart to shoot at the National Guard when Mexico can only wage open war for about a week...


so why cant the NG carry weapons, doesn't that defeat the purpose

Hot Lips
02-10-2009, 07:13 PM
The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

God bless him. He should be put on the Govt payroll.


No civil rights is questionable, because the US constitution applies to anyone on US Soil. But still good on this guy for literally defending his home.

Agreed, good for him. They are criminals trying to use our own system to try and keep those that would prevent them from committing their crimes at bay. I hope they use this and similar cases to change our laws to give even less consideration to illegals.

You don't want a cranky old dude with a gun and a dog harrassing you? DON'T CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY!

Bruisercruiser
02-10-2009, 07:16 PM
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



I wonder what ever happened to that ideal?


It went out the window after 9/11.

California Joe
02-10-2009, 07:19 PM
I too, like "buttocks". Too bad Joe Horn wasn't his neighbor.

wicked_hind
02-10-2009, 07:33 PM
"Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF)"

Why is American in there if they are not going to defend the AMERICAN in this case.

Because they only defend them, so long as the word "Mexican" comes before American. Most, if not all, of the people who work for the MALDEF are wing nuts. Sad that a man seems to longer have the right to protect his property.

jupiter
02-11-2009, 01:14 PM
Because they only defend them, so long as the word "Mexican" comes before American. Most, if not all, of the people who work for the MALDEF are wing nuts. Sad that a man seems to longer have the right to protect his property.
That's the main point here, do we have the right to protect ourselves or not?. Or maybe the rights of the trespassers are higher than the right of the ranchers.

seraosha
02-11-2009, 01:17 PM
We'll just have to be patient and see what a grand jury decides. So far, in Texas, they back the homeowner/property owner.

As CJ mentioned, too bad Mr. Horn wasn't next door.