I need a picture of Palestinians in Rafah.

[sethen]

I am looking for a picture that was posted on the forum several months ago. It has four Palestinians in mixed gear and b.d.u.'s. One soldier was wearing captured Israeli gear. I think it was in Rafah. Does anyone have that pic?

[Javehn]

That will be the day when they would have our captured gear , mein fuhrer . rofl rofl

[Moledet]

That will be the day when they would have our captured gear , mein fuhrer . rofl rofl
Yeh captured LOL.
It's not captured uniforms, you can buy them in many places and you can even create them yourself.
if you want to buy some:
http://www.zahal.org/gear/p1.htm

[Raistlin]

Err, I don't think he meant anything insulting.

But I rememeber that pic - it had a militant in an IDF warm jacket and another in US chocolate pattern. Don't remember where I saw it though.

[W(M)D]

Perhaps that is like their street dress 'style', rather like in the IDF 'americai' was all the 'fashion' (is it still?).
Keep an eye out for the latest terrorist fashion statements hot from the Gaza Strip! LOL

[Javehn]

Err, I don't think he meant anything insulting.

But I rememeber that pic - it had a militant in an IDF warm jacket and another in US chocolate pattern. Don't remember where I saw it though.

You should read some of his previous posts , you will have real enlightment :roll: .

[W(M)D]

Err, I don't think he meant anything insulting.

But I rememeber that pic - it had a militant in an IDF warm jacket and another in US chocolate pattern. Don't remember where I saw it though.

You should read some of his previous posts , you will have real enlightment :roll: .

He probably wants to turn the photo into a poster for his bedroom or something LOL

[/McH\]

If the US decides to invade anyone else, they'll have to go it alone. (unless it's Israel, then I'll come and help)

My Favorite.. :slap:

[Mark_Aspen]

Laugh if you must. But they're not buying those new M4s at IsraelSurplus.com or Mr. T on Ben-Yehuda. Its no secret that the best examples of Israeli-Palestinian cooperation are in the criminal fields. If you're already selling hashish and heroin, why not maadim and tziud (equipment)?

I think its still too easy to fall into underestimating the Arab's capabilities. They have proven they can do small unit actions, and they don't always run away at the first shot. What's the old Oldsmobile ad? "These aren't your father's Palestinians."

[W(M)D]

Of course, they should not be underestimated, but they are an enemy that does not deserve the same considerations as conventional enemies (e.g. arab 'uniformed' armies). They should not be made to look better than they are, they dont deserve it.
Mark - If you want that veteran website PM me.

[IDFM203]

Perhaps that is like their street dress 'style', rather like in the IDF 'americai' was all the 'fashion' (is it still?).
haha :lol: yes I think it still in :roll: .....I mean if not just the longing for those "may'eel americai's" then I think its now those chocolate pattern helmet covers that I see some have (including my brother) that I find to be very absurd, especially in comparison to the rest of the OD colour that those soldiers have on :roll:

And then you have those “baseball caps” and it goes on and on………

Anyways I could go on, but this is an international forum, so Ill save it for another place ;)





Laugh if you must. But they're not buying those new M4s at IsraelSurplus.com or Mr. T on Ben-Yehuda. Its no secret that the best examples of Israeli-Palestinian cooperation are in the criminal fields. If you're already selling hashish and heroin, why not maadim and tziud (equipment)?

I think its still too easy to fall into underestimating the Arab's capabilities. They have proven they can do small unit actions, and they don't always run away at the first shot. What's the old Oldsmobile ad? "These aren't your father's Palestinians."I agree with you and indeed not all of their “maddim” or their “tziud” do they get at those tourist shops in Jerusalem or on those tourists sites online.

Though I would add, on M16 or weapons like that, well besides what you said above, they also got alot simply from the weapons that we stupidly gave to them before :roll:

Though on capabilities, like W(M)D, I don’t think any of us are underestimating them and indeed I like to think those of us that served know full well or at least have a good idea of what we face, though at the same token, I don’t think we need to give overdue credit to them, especially in the past four year of conflict, when I believe a lot (not all but as I said, a lot) of their “little” successes were more to do with our own failings then any great capabilities that they had (and hopefully we learn from our mistakes and improve on it so we don’t allow it to happen again).

Shalom :D

[Mark_Aspen]

Thats my point. Someone fails beacuse they are either lazy, or they don't think the "enemy" can do or accomplish something. Maybe its feeling they don't have the training or ability, or don't have the technical ability; it makes you feel safer or less of a target.

How long have we gone along (Javehn is a better judge then me) thinking our armor isn't in danger from the Palestinians, they don't have tanks or Saggers (?), so where is the danger.

Didn't about 6 of us talk about the sniper several months ago? Even then the gut reaction was: he was IRA, not Arab. Maybe its my bias; the Arabs I work with (shotrim and avaryanim) are just as capable and imaginative as we are. ;)

[Javehn]

No one is saying they are not capable .
But look how this question was asked :
"One soldier was wearing captured Israeli gear"

First , suddenly they became soldiers .
And second , total bellieve that it's indeed captured uniforms - as taken from killed soldier . And the chance for it is very very very small . Indeed , they came from stealing (that's one thing they are good at , as you said yourself - One of the strangest things I saw in Palestinian cities were cars with stickers on them "Golan is ours" and that stuff) , contraband , buying , you name it .

P.S: You still work in Police ? Where , not in Israel ? I also want to go work in Police . Thought I have been said it's one lowsy job .

[IDFM203]

Mark,

I think on this we generally agree, though I guess where we might differ a bit is when you say "they" as if in general "they are very capable”, whereas I think its more like a few individuals (like that sniper case where even on this forum in the past as well as I believe also that sniper thread, that indeed I do recognize that they have SOME good snipers and it’s a fact that the IDF fully recognizes that, but for the most part, most of the pali shooters are not of high quality) or even a few small competent groups, but overall in general, I wouldn’t give "they" too much credit, for as I said, I believe its more so "we" (or rather just some of us ;) ) that has allowed a lot of them to succeed when in reality they shouldn’t have been able to.

Shalom :D

[W(M)D]

............ Someone fails beacuse they are either lazy, ...........

And that is one of the main reasons the enemy succeed (mitnadvim ma'al mitgayasim), however, our weaknesses are best left to our own introverted review and not put on display to the world at general.