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Lt-Col A. Tack
02-13-2009, 06:48 PM
In Spy Case, Obama's Justice Department Holds Fast to State Secrets Privilege

By David Kravets
February 13, 2009 | 1:29:51 PM

The Obama administration on Thursday invoked the state secrets privilege for the second time in a week, this time in a closely watched spy case weighing whether a U.S. president may bypass Congress and establish a program of eavesdropping on Americans without warrants.

The move came days after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced the department was reviewing all the litigation it inherited from the Bush administration in which the privilege was invoked.

Also this week, the Justice Department invoked the privilege before a federal appeals court to scuttle a case brought by five U.S. prisoners who claim the CIA was behind their kidnapping, which brought them overseas where they claim they were tortured.

The litigation tactics underscore that, while the Obama administration has denounced many of the policies of the Bush administration, it has so far not changed litigation tactics in defending lawsuits challenging those policies.

The state secrets privilege was first recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in a McCarthy-era lawsuit in 1953, and has been increasingly and successfully invoked by federal lawyers seeking to shield the government from court scrutiny. Generally, lawsuits in which national-security information may be divulged are usually tossed by judges, at the request of the government.

The latest move for state secrets came when the Justice Department urged a San Francisco federal judge to stay enforcement of a ruling admitting key evidence in a case — evidence the government claims is a state secret. Justice Department lawyers asked U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to permit the government to ask a federal appeals court to review his Jan. 5 ruling.

The government wrote (.pdf (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/haramainobama.pdf)) that the exposure of the evidence could pose "grave harm to national security."

The Justice Department took the same position in the same case on Jan. 22, two days after President Barack Obama was inaugurated. Many pundits, bloggers and civil rights groups suggested at the time that it was not the administration's true position.

The legal brouhaha in the spy case concerns Walker's decision to admit as evidence a classified document allegedly showing that two American lawyers for a now-defunct Saudi charity were electronically eavesdropped on without warrants by the Bush administration in 2004.

The document's admission to the case is central for the two former lawyers of the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation charity to acquire legal standing so they may challenge the constitutionality of the warrantless-eavesdropping program Bush publicly acknowledged in 2005.

Link (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/obama-invokes-s.html)

Hippie Homer
02-13-2009, 06:57 PM
If you have a problem with eavesdropping then you have something to hide. Its that simple !

Laworkerbee
02-13-2009, 07:15 PM
If you have a problem with eavesdropping then you have something to hide. Its that simple !

I have a problem with ease dropping because I don't like my rights infringed upon, those rights have been paid for with the blood of countless thousands.

So no pal, it's really not that simple.

Gat0r
02-13-2009, 07:22 PM
No, this is a country where people shouldn't fear the government violating their constitutional rights, this isnt the Soviet Union it's suppose to be America, the militarist and collectivist seem to ignore that pesky piece of paper though. Change we can count on, wow people were really duped by the oldest political slogan.

Laconian
02-13-2009, 07:31 PM
There are a bunch of legal ways to monitor a non-consensual conversation w/o a "warrant." Based on the article, there is a bunch of factual information missing from it to render a decision this was an "illegal wiretap."

ronnieraygun
02-13-2009, 07:40 PM
If you have a problem with eavesdropping then you have something to hide. Its that simple !

Check the thumbs-down action on this post.

MaverickCowboy
02-13-2009, 09:08 PM
If you have a problem with eavesdropping then you have something to hide. Its that simple !

Some one Ban him already! Jesus Christ. its called the constitution the right to privacy!

SuperCavitator
02-13-2009, 10:13 PM
Maybe Obama's people reviewed the facts and, using proper guidelines for what is an actual state secret, decided that an actual state secret needed protecting, and properly weighed the damage from divulging the secret against the value of nailing the people who did something wrong, and properly decided that, in this instance, the secret was the greater value.

Isn't that's what a responsible, competent government employee is supposed to do when performing his/her job?

stevej
02-15-2009, 05:12 AM
If you have a problem with eavesdropping then you have something to hide. Its that simple !

When you take a dump, do you do it with the bathroom stall door open or closed? I close it, not because I think I am doing something wrong or unnatural, but it is not an experience I want to share.

Same with communication. I have a right to privacy, and the govt does not have a right to invade it. Not because I am doing something wrong, I just don't want to share it with anyone.