Afghans behead Taliban in revenge for beheadings

[seruriermarshal]

Afghans behead Taliban in revenge for beheadings

22 Jun 2004 16:46:13 GMT

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, June 22 (*******) - Afghan soldiers beheaded four Taliban fighters after guerrillas cut off the heads of an Afghan interpreter for U.S.-led forces and an Afghan soldier, a government commander said on Tuesday.

The interpreter and the soldier were beheaded after becoming separated from a patrol of Afghan and U.S.-led foreign troops in the Arghandab district of Zabul province on Monday night, Namatullah Tokhi, commander of the government's 27th division in the province, told *******.

He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."

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From (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL14858.htm)

[American Patriot]

woot woot

Go Afghan National Army

[seruriermarshal]

Got four sh*t head !

woot

[DPGLAW]

In my opinoin, this is what we (the United States) need to be doing in Iraq. I think that this might put some fear into these ragheads that are running around terrorizing innocent people. I am isck of the PC way we pussyfoot around not wanting to offend the world-community, it is obvious that this approach is not working so we need to be as ruthless and violent as the,

[seruriermarshal]

In my opinoin, this is what we (the United States) need to be doing in Iraq. I think that this might put some fear into these ragheads that are running around terrorizing innocent people. I am isck of the PC way we pussyfoot around not wanting to offend the world-community, it is obvious that this approach is not working so we need to be as ruthless and violent as the,

Just one method . when our enemy uses this method, they must
understand : FAIR!

[lion of afghanistan]

Nice move from the afghan army...Talibans seem to copy the damn arabs and thats the only way to stop this foolish act.

[anonymous individual]

I don't think that is an encourage sign with people like to beheaded others.

Edit: grammar

[scm77]

woot Take that Taliban! :fork:

[memphiz]

woot

[Fintin]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

[ZeroPositive]

sweet off with there heads I say!!!

[Secret Squirrel]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?

[Fintin]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?

if you kill them all....well the situation is fixed....hopefuly it doesnt come to that...but there are more of us then there are of them

[Pille1234]

Great! More heads cut off! The coaliton wanted to establish the rule of law and a modern democratic state and those new afghan army soldiers start cutting off heads! More good news from Afghanistan as someone else stated before.

Reading the comments here in the forum makes me think there is as much nauseating rabble in the west as is in iraq. You ppl make me proud of the so called sophisticated western world with its high morale standards! :slap:

[Fintin]

im not saying cut there heads off....im saying if they kill....they should be killed....the problem is...there isnt the technology or the founding avalible in afganistan for other options....seems the choices are shoot them....behead them...or hang them....

[usa320]

SOmetimes a little force is what these fools need to get the message through their thick taliban skulls.

[Vance]

Whatever the cause of death, I'm glad 4 of our enemies are gone.

[Jack Mehoff]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?

Let's just give them flowers and make peace with terrorism. Besides, it was the Afghan Army cut off the Taliban heads and I have no problem with that.

[Secret Squirrel]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?

Let's just give them flowers and make peace with terrorism. Besides, it was the Afghan Army cut off the Taliban heads and I have no problem with that.

dont be an idiot making pointless "black and white" statements; I dont think you belong in this part of the forum so go back to your pointless offtopic posts. woot

[ibstolidude]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?
it isn't however, it is, however, those of kindred epistemology view the solution. This is not shocking from an Afghan perspective.

[NcDeuce]

Fighting fire w/ fire, an eye for an eye. Bring back the French guillotines.

[Romulus]

dont be an idiot making pointless "black and white" statements; I dont think you belong in this part of the forum so go back to your pointless offtopic posts



Secret Squirrel who the **** died and made you moderator. Shut yer pie hole and keep posting your anti-western drivel. :-*$

[Secret Squirrel]

dont be an idiot making pointless "black and white" statements; I dont think you belong in this part of the forum so go back to your pointless offtopic posts



Secret Squirrel who the f*** died and made you moderator. Shut yer pie hole and keep posting your anti-western drivel. :-*$

Shouldnt you be on a street corner? rofl Anti-western? rofl Are you honestly this stupid or is it just act?

[seruriermarshal]

dont be an idiot making pointless "black and white" statements; I dont think you belong in this part of the forum so go back to your pointless offtopic posts



Secret Squirrel who the f*** died and made you moderator. Shut yer pie hole and keep posting your anti-western drivel. :-*$

Shouldnt you be on a street corner? rofl Anti-western? rofl Are you honestly this stupid or is it just act?

Seems like yourself .

:roll:

[Midav]

Good.

[Keyboard]

Fighting fire w/ fire, an eye for an eye. Bring back the French guillotines.

Nah, too painless for them...

[SOG]

well..... honestly the afghans may simply see something we dont, how easy and sleazy our prison system is compared to thiers. for a great amount of time the middle east has seen our prison system as lazy lax and really not harsh. so when you impose your "democratic will" on a country saying it should feed its prisoners, not kill them and treat them humane and locked up for long periods of time, thats fine but these new establish ments have no money to do it short term or long term let alone the overwhelming support for the citizens to approve and follow through also.

i may disagree with thier methods and do no overly cheer them but to think they can simply adopt our methods with no money or approval wont happen unless you get jails more squalid than mexico where in afghans case youd die from disease or mayhem. you can only bring so much democratic practice to these countries. beheading may seem harsh but tough ****, its life to them. i may not approve but im sure they see me in very different eyes also. ah well.

[RavenW]

You know, it's funny and sad at the same time that I have to explain such simple thing to people. But, are you crazy? "eye for an eye"?!

Do you actually put an equal sign between eye of innocent person who went to Iraq to help with reconstruction and evil terrorist who commited numerous acts of terror?

How can someone be so blind and not realize that if it would be true eye for an eye... then americans would take an innocent Iraqi civilian and would cut his head, Israelis would grab a car, go to Gaza and explode themselves in the cafe or schoolbus full of innocent children and Afghani would take just a regular guy and would cut his head.

Then it would be "eye for an eye".


I personally don't think that cutting Taliban's head is a good solution. I just don't think that it can be honestly called "eye for an eye" revenge, since other side targets and murders innocent people on purpose, and the most we would do is gonna kill some terrorists the same fashion they slaughter our civilians.

P.s. Want real biblical revenge? Take an innocent Iraqi guy and cut his heads on camera and show it in the States. That would be real eye for an eye.

[NcDeuce]

Difference: We don't murder innocent civilians...

Justice is needed, not revenge.

[Scottie]

Why dont people get pissed at the Afghans for doing that and only at coalition for peeing on some terrorists? :roll:

[seruriermarshal]

A kind of fair .

[GazB]

Difference: We don't murder innocent civilians...


Yes, you do... but you don't purposely target them and you call them collateral damage... they still die though.

[n4292936]

Why dont people get pissed at the Afghans for doing that and only at coalition for peeing on some terrorists? :roll:

what makes you think people dont get pissed off at the Taliban for doing it. People were pissed off at the Taliban for just about everything.

[SFontaine]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. ****.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

[American Patriot]

Difference: We don't murder innocent civilians...


Yes, you do... but you don't purposely target them and you call them collateral damage... they still die though.

You make an omelette, you break a few eggs. How else would you destroy vital Iraqi infrastructure?

It is sad that Iraqis were misled by Saddam into taking cover in AAA sites or Ba'ath party headquarters but maybe this time Iraqi people will learn not to b e ruled by a terrorist supporting, WMD-building terrorist.

[American Patriot]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

Let me ask you, what is wrong with beheading a Taliban? The Afghans have their own way of doing things, something few 'Western' people will never understand.

[SFontaine]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

Let me ask you, what is wrong with beheading a Taliban? The Afghans have their own way of doing things, something few 'Western' people will ever understand.

Well for one decapatation with a knife is barbaric and two these men were from the looks of things suspected Taliban. It's Taliban-style justice

Besides Islamic Terrorists have their own way of doing things (IE: Decpatatating non-believers) and you guys all condemn this. Just because the Afghanis are on our side doesn't make it right.

[Secret Squirrel]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

Let me ask you, what is wrong with beheading a Taliban? The Afghans have their own way of doing things, something few 'Western' people will never understand.

1) dead men tell no tales

2) this is sending the same message that was perverted by Macedonia when they faked a terrorist raid and murdered 7 illegal immigrants.

[seruriermarshal]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

Let me ask you, what is wrong with beheading a Taliban? The Afghans have their own way of doing things, something few 'Western' people will never understand.

1) dead men tell no tales

2) this is sending the same message that was perverted by Macedonia when they faked a terrorist raid and murdered 7 illegal immigrants.

You have proof ?

:roll:

[Secret Squirrel]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

Let me ask you, what is wrong with beheading a Taliban? The Afghans have their own way of doing things, something few 'Western' people will never understand.

1) dead men tell no tales

2) this is sending the same message that was perverted by Macedonia when they faked a terrorist raid and murdered 7 illegal immigrants.

You have proof ?

:roll:

1) I dont know what you're into (and frankly i dont want to know if you really have to ask) but i've never had a dead person talk to me.

2) Macedonia faked 'militant' raid

Macedonian officials have admitted that seven alleged Pakistani militants killed in March 2002 were in fact illegal immigrants shot in cold blood to "impress" the international community.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3674533.stm

[seruriermarshal]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..

Let me ask you, what is wrong with beheading a Taliban? The Afghans have their own way of doing things, something few 'Western' people will never understand.

1) dead men tell no tales

2) this is sending the same message that was perverted by Macedonia when they faked a terrorist raid and murdered 7 illegal immigrants.

You have proof ?

:roll:

1) I dont know what you're into (and frankly i dont want to know if you really have to ask) but i've never had a dead person talk to me.

2) Macedonia faked 'militant' raid

Macedonian officials have admitted that seven alleged Pakistani militants killed in March 2002 were in fact illegal immigrants shot in cold blood to "impress" the international community.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3674533.stm

My meaning is you have proof about behead are't Taliban ?

:roll:

[Tengu]

These guys understand that ruling with a soft hand does not work with these ****ers. :fork:

[iflu]

it is really complicated. terrorists cut ur head off and u cut their head off...

if u sentence sb to death by law, u may use a rifle or use a knife. does it make difference? no idea, the dead wont talk...

the real difference is if u should sentence that man to death. if u kill sb who should not be killed, r a terrorist, or otherwise u just use what u want to get rid of him, nobody cares what u use...

anyway if it is just for revenge...what do u think?(this news contains too little info for me to judge, i m not sure if those 4 men should be sentenced to death)

[seruriermarshal]

it is really complicated. terrorists cut ur head off and u cut their head off...

if u sentence sb to death by law, u may use a rifle or use a knife. does it make difference? no idea, the dead wont talk...

the real difference is if u should sentence that man to death. if u kill sb who should not be killed, r a terrorist, or otherwise u just use what u want to get rid of him, nobody cares what u use...

anyway if it is just for revenge...what do u think?(this news contains too little info for me to judge, i m not sure if those 4 men should be sentenced to death)

Just Fair .

[FallenAngel]

Difference: We don't murder innocent civilians...


Yes, you do... but you don't purposely target them and you call them collateral damage... they still die though.

I believe murder has the added factor of intent.

The US doesn't MURDER civilians as a general rule. Do civilians die in military operations despite the best efforts of modern technology and training? Sadly, yes.

If we wanted to MURDER civilians, we could turn Iraq into a glass parking-lot.

[SFontaine]

These guys understand that ruling with a soft hand does not work with these f***. :fork:

So stooping to their level will work while in the process loosing crediblity and the moral high ground? I see by your profile that your interests are "War" and that you're a "Student".. Makes sense.


War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it
- Deciderius Erasmus

[Gringo]

Were they already dead when the heads were cut off?

[Roger Rabbit]

Nice move from the afghan army...Talibans seem to copy the damn arabs and thats the only way to stop this foolish act.

Really? To think there i was under the belief that Afghans had been cutting off heads for centuries but it turns out its something new that they learnt from the Arabs.

[Tengu]

So stooping to their level will work while in the process loosing crediblity and the moral high ground? I see by your profile that your interests are "War" and that you're a "Student".. Makes sense.


War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it
- Deciderius Erasmus
I didnt say i like it i said it works

[Brandon]

I have to be honest here. I dont see the point of stooping to the terrorists level. Yes, Im as happy as anyone that there is 4 less terrorists in the world, but not sure that this was the greatest approach. It kills me everytime I read, see or hear of an American, or whoever else, sitting in front of 4 mother f***ers with towels around their head and the next thing see them holding the poor guys head like a trophy. A more disturbing scene I cant think of.

Now that "revenge" has been taken, imagine with they terrorists are going to do now. I never thought they could out-do beheading someone on video, but Im sure they will try, especially now. We called the terrorists savages and animals, and now a nations army is doing the same thing.

That being said, I dont even think that there should be prisoners taken that are known terrorists. Apart from trying to get info outta them for a day or two, they should all be excecuted immediately. Excecuted in the good old fashion way, firing squad. I have so much to say on this topic, and apart from people not wanting to listen to me forever, I gotta get to work.

[Jack Mehoff]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?

Let's just give them flowers and make peace with terrorism. Besides, it was the Afghan Army cut off the Taliban heads and I have no problem with that.

dont be an idiot making pointless "black and white" statements; I dont think you belong in this part of the forum so go back to your pointless offtopic posts. woot

Hey dip****, who appointed you for the moderator position? woot

[Gringo]

I find it a little disturbing that quite a few of you a cheering.

I don't like this cutting off head **** no matter what the guys politics, religion, nationality, race, whatever. I just don't like it full stop.

[iflu]

Were they already dead when the heads were cut off?

oh i m sorry Gringo, it seems that they were alive, coz a-stan army said it was a REVENGE. OMG. (but it is just my assumption)

[wormie]

We dont behead captured insurgents because we're better than them. That's what makes us the good guys.

[iflu]

We dont behead captured insurgents because we're better than them. That's what makes us the good guys.

yes, exactly. this makes difference. of course u can sentence them by law and if the law says they should die for their sin, then ''cook'' them. but if u just do it for REVENGE, u have the substantial to be another terrorist or u have became. I think the lord of rings tells the same story. be away from the evil or be evil's slave by being evil.

[Secret Squirrel]

an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth...it makes sence when you think about it....its a nessisary evil if you ask me....its sad that it has to happen, but it must

How exactly is this a solution to defeating or surpressing terrorism?

Let's just give them flowers and make peace with terrorism. Besides, it was the Afghan Army cut off the Taliban heads and I have no problem with that.

dont be an idiot making pointless "black and white" statements; I dont think you belong in this part of the forum so go back to your pointless offtopic posts. woot

Hey dip****, who appointed you for the moderator position? woot

Well you rarely post in the general discussion forum, and if your above comment is like any of your other comments in this section, then they're pointless for these kinds of discussions. "Let's just give them flowers and make peace with terrorism." <-- hopefully you realize that the world isnt black and white and that there are other options besides either letting the terrorists roam free or trying to cut all their heads off. You, like a few others, fail to grasp that terrorism is a tactic and not a finite number of individuals that you can simply kill and get rid of them that way.

[Jack Mehoff]

I was 10 miles away from the WTC when it went down. I think i grasped enough the meaning of terrorism. So **** you!

[oldsoak]

I know I get a gut feeling sometimes that an eye for an eye approach is something every b*gger understands, however this leaves me cold. The Taliban were killed in reprisal - not because they were guilty of that particular crime. I'm absoulutely no fan of the Taliban, but we want to move Afghanistanis away from a culture of revenge and reprisal into one following proper judicial process, to ensure only the guilty get punished. If there is a fair trial and the law of the land says they loose their heads, so be it.

[Secret Squirrel]

I was 10 miles away from the WTC when it went down. I think i grasped enough the meaning of terrorism. So f*** you!

apparently you havent if you see the world in black and white.

[Jack Mehoff]

Why don't you enlist in the Taliban's army rofl so I can go back to Ghanny one more time to see you through my cross-hair?

[Secret Squirrel]

Why don't you enlist in the Taliban's army rofl so I can go back to Ghanny one more time to see you through my cross-hair?

Why dont you go back to the offtopic section instead of cluttering up threads that are outside your intellectual boundaries

[Gringo]

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!!

[Jack Mehoff]

And leave you here to make more anti-American bull****?

[n4292936]

Jack, Mr. secret has a point about the nature of terrorism.
cool avatar by the way

[percell_086]

What is the problem if a member of MP posts in the general discussions?? lighten the f*** up man! I say Jack is right! And good job by the afgh.

woot Percell

[Jack Mehoff]

If it's a tradition to cut off your enemy heads in Afghan then so be it, who am I telling them not to do that? I'm not as ethnocentric as you think.

[iflu]

If it's a tradition to cut off your enemy heads in Afghan then so be it, who am I telling them not to do that? I'm not as ethnocentric as you think.

but they have said it was a REVENGE. apparently they did not follow their tradition. so i think if they did it for revenge, u should really worried for that. coz u have to think of the initiative of the this war in a-stan.

[Secret Squirrel]

Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

[seruriermarshal]

Ok , I remember have a post is U.S. soldiers help wounded Taliban , then some people said it's for information . Now kill 4 Taliban , because they behead some afgh soldiers (So to afgh people that's fair) .

:slap:

[RomanS]

Hey Squirrel

what is your genious solution to end terrorism?

Lest hear it.

[Secret Squirrel]

Hey Squirrel

what is your genious solution to end terrorism?

Lest hear it.

Grass routes and quiet ops as well as exposing financial ties and account freezes. It's certainly not trying to take revenge on a tactic or simply trying to muscle your way through. And also not torturing for information; theres more than enough historical research that points out the failure of torture to garner the desired results.

[RomanS]

Hey Squirrel

what is your genious solution to end terrorism?

Lest hear it.

Grass routes and quiet ops as well as exposing financial ties and account freezes. It's certainly not trying to take revenge on a tactic or simply trying to muscle your way through. And also not torturing for information; theres more than enough historical research that points out the failure of torture to garner the desired results.

what makes you think that this will work?

[Secret Squirrel]

Hey Squirrel

what is your genious solution to end terrorism?

Lest hear it.

Grass routes and quiet ops as well as exposing financial ties and account freezes. It's certainly not trying to take revenge on a tactic or simply trying to muscle your way through. And also not torturing for information; theres more than enough historical research that points out the failure of torture to garner the desired results.

what makes you think that this will work?

If you're looking for a 100% guarantee that this will work, look elsewhere. Nothing that hasnt been tested or proven to be true can be guaranteed. But if you want my opinion, i think this way because terrorists need money, if its possible to find where the funds are held or being transfered then its logically possible to starve them a little. Also, terrorists need atleast some degree of oraganization. A solid grass routes system allows you to ensure, or at least attempt to ensure, that the terrorists arent saturating the general population. Thus if you track groups moving around a certain area, and you believe that they shouldnt be there, you can bag yourself some more bad guys. A certain amount of force is obviously necessary, but do you know what military is? or at least what it should be? Controlled violence. Terrorists will attack whatever they can, because thats how they have to operate. The military has the benefit of controlling and directing its violence. So if you can win the hearts and minds of the local populas, you can alienate the terrorists and direct your controlled violence against them. Convincing a population that it's more to their benefit to be on our side can work wonders. As far as using the quiet ops or SF guys, well a multinational group of them worked quite well during operation Task Force K-Bar (115 Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters killed and 107 captured senior Taliban leaders over a six-month period was a good showing for a 7 nation SF op).

[Black Dots]

I agree. We should start beheading. Nothing makes a PR campaign sing like beheadings. Except having a snappy name for the whole affair like, "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Think about this: Many Iraqis were pissed at the US occupation prior to the Abu Gharib scandal. Do you think more Iraqis would rally to the cause if heads, literally, began to roll? Don't you think beheading POWs would be a bit conterproductive from a "hearts and minds" perspective? Especially with that pesky transfer of power around the corner?

[Black Dots]

One more thing. Do you really think it would be bright for the US to go out of its way to create martyrs? I understand that most Arab males in the region are interested in that kind of work at the moment, but that's no reason to put them in the limelight unduly. Here's an example: Ireland, 1916. Easter uprising fails. Had the British simply jailed those involved, the whole thing would most likely have been remembered as nothing more than another failed attempt to kick the Brits out. Instead, they decide to shoot the ringleaders. That angered enough of the Irish populace to support rebel action for the next few years. By the early 20s, most of Ireland was free of British rule. By going to the extreme, the British turned an event that had occured about every 50 years or so in Ireland into a turning point. I don't think we should make a similar mistake.

[oldsoak]

One more thing. Do you really think it would be bright for the US to go out of its way to create martyrs? I understand that most Arab males in the region are interested in that kind of work at the moment, but that's no reason to put them in the limelight unduly. Here's an example: Ireland, 1916. Easter uprising fails. Had the British simply jailed those involved, the whole thing would most likely have been remembered as nothing more than another failed attempt to kick the Brits out. Instead, they decide to shoot the ringleaders. That angered enough of the Irish populace to support rebel action for the next few years. By the early 20s, most of Ireland was free of British rule. By going to the extreme, the British turned an event that had occured about every 50 years or so in Ireland into a turning point. I don't think we should make a similar mistake.

True.

[SFontaine]

So stooping to their level will work while in the process loosing crediblity and the moral high ground? I see by your profile that your interests are "War" and that you're a "Student".. Makes sense.


War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it
- Deciderius Erasmus
I didnt say i like it i said it works

Does it? And besides even if it does it's still stooping to their level. Droping dozens of MOABs on Iraq would suceed in getting rid of the terrorists there but we'd lose all credibility and the moral high ground we as Westerners enjoy. What makes us better than them is our dicipline and our civility. If the US stooped to terrorist levels after 9/11 the War on Terror would be over right now and a lot more people would be dead but no.. The US responded with dicipline and controlled, justifiable violence.. Not this bull****.

(Oh and for the record I hate being on the side of Secret Squirrel. Then again he's right here, just for the wrong reasons)

[chauncy republicans]

Hey Squirrel

what is your genious solution to end terrorism?

Lest hear it.

Grass routes and quiet ops as well as exposing financial ties and account freezes. It's certainly not trying to take revenge on a tactic or simply trying to muscle your way through. And also not torturing for information; theres more than enough historical research that points out the failure of torture to garner the desired results.

what makes you think that this will work?
Well, what makes you think it wont? I'm sure Russia should be example enough as to why brute force doesnt work against terrorism.

[chauncy republicans]

Normally I love the news that more asshole terrorists have died.. That movie of the tank mowing down the RPG Gunner? I laughed. Hamas Leader Al-Wheel Chair guy getting blown up. I got a kick out of that.

This? What. The. f***.

The Americans, Canadians and Australian who have died bringing democracy, freedom and civility to Afghanistan died to prevent this sort of bull****.. And now the very men who they liberated are doing exactly what we tried to stop while you guys are hooting, cheering and hollering. That's not the Western way and that's not the ethically sound way.


He said government troops later captured and killed four Taliban guerrillas in the same way. "They cut of their heads with a knife, so when our forces arrested four Taliban, we cut off their heads too."


What I got from there is some Afghan soldiers captured four people assumed to be guerrillas (Did they shoot at the Afghan soldiers? Did they have proof they were guerrillas? Not from the looks of this report) and then proceeded to summarily execute them. What happened to innocent until proven guilty as we have here in the West? What these soldiers showed was utter contempt for the law and a complete lack of dicipline. This is the sort of behaviour we as Westerners do not participate in because we havecivility and we have dicipline, two qualities that elevate us from our enemy. When our enemies do this to us our job is to grit our teeth and fight back, with grace, dicipline and civilty.. Not chop off heads of suspected terrorists.

Christ..
I could'nt have said it better myselfe, excellent post, Fontaine. woot

[chauncy republicans]

so I can go back to Ghanny one more time to see you through my cross-hair?
?? Yeah right... :cantbeli:

[RavenW]

Difference: We don't murder innocent civilians...


Yes, you do... but you don't purposely target them and you call them collateral damage... they still die though.

exactly.

and this is what makes all the difference.

TERROR vs ERROR

While errors happen during ANY armed conflicts and we don't want to hurt innocent bystanders (in fact, we wished they would stay out of harm's way), our enemies (Chechen terrorists, Palestinian terrorists, Saddam's fanatics, Al Qaeda thugs) target civilians on purpose.

And that's precisely the difference between Collateral damage and Terrorism.