FYROM: The Case of Vasko Gligorijevic

[cortico]

The case of Vasko Gligorijevic
Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
February 06, 2009
It has been a few days since the night of 28th January 2009 where concordantly to his own testimony, the FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) police came into Vasil Gligorov´s aka Vasko Gligorijevic apartment in Skopje and arrested him purposedly because of his activist actions. While watching the aftermath of Vasko´s apparent arrest, i couldn't help from noticing how his own countrymen reacted to his plea for help. Normally someone would be deeply concerned for the physical safety of an individual calling desperately for help. In our case we had the exact opposite. The entirety of users coming from the state of FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) displayed a powerful vested interest in demeaning and demonising him. In fact a few of them showed to harbor a feeling of intense hatred both for him personally and what he stands for.

This certainly reveals the general mentality which prevails nowadays in FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) over their own countrymen that happen to think differently. Especially those, not necessarily buying the widely-imposed propaganda and decide not to stay silent. It seems also a safe conclusion that FYROM´s state has already taught its followers to discredit all the possible alternative sources of thought. Like Vasko´s case, not only they are being demonised but also discredited and casted as "enemies/traitors" of their country. This unhealthy tendency is familiar in such regimes. They say if you cannot attack the claim, attack the arguer instead. This dogma has found nowadays its safe shelter in FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) where aggressiveness and demonisation of the opponent seems to be the safest way of protecting core identity myths from any open discussion that might challenge them. Usually a claim should be treated on its merit and should stand or fall solely by its own quality. In our case its entirely the opposite. Anything someone said against the widely imposed dogma – even statements of established fact– would be dismissed or ignored simply by attacking the source. Likewise Vasko has been portrayed as a paid agent, a liar, someone who doesnt…exist, a sick person and all those petty types of abuses to discredit the so-called "enemy". I am certain this campaign of demonising the "enemy" will be culminated in the
upcoming days as it usually happens.

Full article: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/90234

This is an example of what happens to someone who opposes the pseudo-"Makedonism" of Gruevski's unfortunate government. This is sad. Sad for the people of FYROM and a serious obstacle to the negotiations between two neighbouring countries.

[Mordoror]

and your point is ?

let me guess :
*open a new gate for trolls on this very forum (aka as Balkan Bulls**t time)
* demonize a whole population on the action of few
* excuse the fact that the other party is not less responsible for a part of the stalemate situation

or i am missing something
i you want to attack the FYROM's gov it is OK : you can say that it is corrupt, nationalist, unreasoned or what ever you want

but obviously that article is attacking the people and from the (in)action of few is drawing a picture for the whole country
hum biased to say the least

[cortico]

and your point is ?

let me guess :
*open a new gate for trolls on this very forum (aka as Balkan Bulls**t time)
* demonize a whole population on the action of few
* excuse the fact that the other party is not less responsible for a part of the stalemate situation

or i am missing something
i you want to attack the FYROM's gov it is OK : you can say that it is corrupt, nationalist, unreasoned or what ever you want

but obviously that article is attacking the people and from the (in)action of few is drawing a picture for the whole country
hum biased to say the least

It is not my problem if you cant take criticism or if you are annoyed by specific, rather pathetic, events.

What i posted is a fact. You are by all means welcomed to comment about the issue at hand instead of speculating on my intentions.

Regards,
S

[Mordoror]

commenting what ?
that nobody tried to make an interposition between police and a personn ?
what is unsual here ? (moreover concerning Balkan states police that are more entitled to hit first and ask the questions after ...)

that this article is not enterly true as i travelled in FYROM this summer and heard a lot of people criticizing openly the gov and its actions in the street/bars/coffee shops ?

the event is pathetic yes it is like when anybody is arrested for opinions but why are you astonished ?
i told you that this gov is (and well known for that) corrupt and nationalist (often both coming together) and that as a gov it has full control of police

before drawing conclusions let's wait the trial to see if the Justice there is independant or under ties too

[cortico]

commenting what ?
that nobody tried to make an interposition between police and a personn ?
what is unsual here ? (moreover concerning Balkan states police that are more entitled to hit first and ask the questions after ...)

that this article is not enterly true as i travelled in FYROM this summer and heard a lot of people criticizing openly the gov and its actions in the street/bars/coffee shops ?

the event is pathetic yes it is like when anybody is arrested for opinions but why are you astonished ?
i told you that this gov is (and well known for that) corrupt and nationalist (often both coming together) and that as a gov it has full control of police

before drawing conclusions let's wait the trial to see if the Justice there is independant or under ties too

This preposterous arrest is a blow to your pseudo-"Makedonism", fueled by a radical ultranationalist government that promotes nothing but a selfish and quite myopic agenda.

You are trying to downplay it, which is equally sad.

I hope Vasco is fine and that more like-minded people with a sound head on top of their shoulders speak their minds. There are voices of reason in FYROM. But their mouths are being systematically kept shut. I believe you should first establish a working democracy, free from fascist-like ultranationalist practices and then join any table of international negotiations.

[themacedonian]

wow I did not realize that Greece was interested in mental cases.

In the Republic of Macedonia one is free to criticize the government as much as you want. There are TV shows like K-15 mocking just about every minister and president.

In other countries like Australia one will get sued for libel if speaking in public against a public figure.

[Mordoror]

@The Macedonian

Don't ever bother to reply
Greeks paranoia seems to be well fueled concerning Makedonism
Just have a look at how much thread concerning that were open by "open minded, freedom loving, greek members" on this board
And do a ratio with how much threads were open from the members of the other side of the border
to sum it some Greeks are more interested in what happens in Macedonia (juts for the purpose of bashing) that some macedonians are interested in what happens in Greece

no need to feed the troll here, it is already gorged

@cortico
before giving lessons go through the border to see with you open eyes (i will not say open mind as you are obviously already biased) what really happens (like i did in FYROM as well as in Greece)
anyway discuting with you even after 3 posts is pointless .... i will let you mumble about the "Makedonism and ze evilz mazedonianz ......and wait you next thread about Turkey/Cyprus or anything that make that forum go on flames as usually

Have a nice forum and a nice day ..........

PS ; that thread doesn't even deserve the bandwith it is consuming, i will ask the mod to close it before it transforms itselfs as usual in a trench war between stubborn and not very educated nationalists from both countries