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Blue387
02-17-2009, 11:43 AM
As the rare liberal Democrat here, let me rant about the Quinnipiac poll out today. Governor David Paterson (D-NY) and the progun Senator Kirsten Gilibrand (ditto) struggling to hold on.
Linky:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1263&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0


The Caroline Kennedy caper continues to bedevil New York Gov. David Paterson as he trails Attorney General Andrew Cuomo 55 - 23 in an early look at a 2010 Democratic primary for Governor, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

In a general election matchup, Gov. Paterson ties former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, a possible Republican challenger, 43 - 43 percent, with 10 percent undecided, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Paterson leads 70 - 18 percent among Democrats, while Giuliani leads 80 - 9 percent among Republicans and 47 - 38 percent among independent voters. New York City voters go with Paterson 52 - 35 percent, while Giuliani leads 48 - 36 percent among suburban voters and 47 - 38 percent upstate.

Polling for 2010 this far out is extremely difficult. That said, as a New York Democrat who was fond of Eliot Spitzer, I don't like most of the choices here. I don't like Cuomo so much - I met him once and I always found him distant and arrogant, with his eye on the governor's mansion. What concretely has Cuomo done to merit becoming governor in the first place? Cuomo is an uncharismatic schmoozer with more ambition than brains. Giuliani is not a good choice to become governor - he has no interest in campaigning upstate as seen with his lazy 2000 Senate run and lacks a clear, coherent plan for the state or even a rationale for running for governor. (You want to cut taxes? With our budget deficit? Cut services? With all our entrenched special interests? Fight corruption? With the Bruno bus?) Even if he won, he would face a heavily Democratic legislature and few Republican allies anywhere. He can't run on 9/11* as governor.


2. (If registered Democrat) If the 2010 Democratic primary for United States Senator were being held today and the candidates were Kirsten Gillibrand and Carolyn McCarthy, for whom would you vote?
Gillibrand 24%
McCarthy 34
SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2
DK/NA 39

Gillibrand was seriously not my choice to be senator. I agree with here on most issues but don't know if she could appeal to downstate and urban voters. The last thing I would like to see would be a bruising Democratic primary where the downstate/urban voters are thrown against suburban/rural voters, hurting the party's chances in the general election and in 2012.


Sen. Gillibrand gets a 28 - 10 percent job approval rating, with 62 percent undecided. Similarly, she gets a 24 - 9 percent favorability with 65 percent who haven't heard enough. A possible challenger in the 2010 Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, has a 24 - 9 percent favorability with 66 percent who haven't heard enough. And U.S. Rep. Peter King, a possible 2010 Republican challenger for the Senate seat, has a 21 - 10 percent favorability, with 68 percent who don't know enough to decide.

Rep. Pete King, the possible Republican nominee might win if he raised $50million and could raise his name recognition outside his own district and were not so old. Although I like Gilibrand and McCarthy but neither of them should be senator as both would have been better off in the House for their respective districts; the NY-20 is Gillibrand's old House district, is a conservative district and I predict Jim Tedisco (R) will probably win it. And Tedisco is a creature of Albany - Assembly Republican leader - who I don't particularly like much.

Someone needs to push the reset button on this state government.

*9/11 is a registered trademark of Giuliani and Associates.

Jobu
02-17-2009, 11:47 AM
Yea that Giuliani was such a lazy ass back in 2000 after he was diagnosed with cancer.

:roll:

Blue387
02-17-2009, 11:54 AM
Yea that Giuliani was such a lazy ass back in 2000 after he was diagnosed with cancer.

:roll:

Giuliani ran a bad campaign before he dropped out with his cancer. I read he had an event upstate but cancelled it to take in a Yankees game. I ask you when was the last time Giuliani ever ventured north of the Tappan Zee bridge?

LineDoggie
02-17-2009, 12:09 PM
Face it, Gillibrands main problem is Guns

Bloomberg and the Other Democratsp-) are infuriated that Citizens should have the right to possess Firearms

She was against the Tiahart Ammendment and that drove Bloomy and the Libs berserk

the Daily News even Lied in the Editorial, claiming the Bllomberg line that it would prevent Police from Tracing Illegal Guns.

Any Police officer knows you can run Serial Numbers for a Firearm, but the Mayor, City Council, State cant use that data to sue Manufacturers, Distributors, etc.


NYC thinks the entire state should fall in lockstep with its beliefs, and you can see where no other line of thought will be tolerated in the Party. Instead of Blaming Parents who fail to instill Morals in their kids, so they emulate Gangsta's, lets blame the firearm. Instead of Holding Teachers/Parents responsible for Children actually being able to read & write, Lets blame something else.


How about when you see your kid going out with his pants around his balls, you correct him

How about when your kid uses "N_gger" like a Comma, you slap him and explain how that will not be tolerated in any fashion.

How about not complaining why your 14 year old was shot at 0300 in a Club, instead you get charged with Negligence for letting your child go out to a Club

How about being a Goddammned Parent

Until then, expect it to get worse here

By the By, Guiliani was the same with respect to firearms ownership, as was Dinkins before him and Ed Koch.

Dinkins by far was the worst.

Jobu
02-17-2009, 12:11 PM
Giuliani ran a bad campaign before he dropped out with his cancer. I read he had an event upstate but cancelled it to take in a Yankees game. I ask you when was the last time Giuliani ever ventured north of the Tappan Zee bridge?

He didn't have to. Rudy had most of upstate NY sewn up already plus he may have already known he was going to drop out by then.

So does he take in possibly his last Yankees' opening day or does he go to a campaign event?
Hell I'd go to the game too if I suspected I could be dead in a few months.

dlat83
02-17-2009, 04:26 PM
Im as far north in NY as you can get and ya know , we don't see any of the A-Holes !! I don't think Caroline should have evan been consider, Cuomo should have been the pick. Paterson wants my state job and Washington has forgotten its promises during times of need. So whats new ??

philbob
02-17-2009, 07:42 PM
**** Patterson, i hope all the best for Gilibrand though