GROM (Polish SF Unit)

[peter.pl]

wodnyfilar --> Grom (500), 1.PSK (700), "Formoza" (60)
So we already have more than 1000 SF :)

[corran.pl]

GROM has 3 battle groops ("green", "sea" and the third, new).
1. pspec has 3 battle groops (A, B and C, fromer battalions)
"Formoza" is the size of one battle groop

+ logistics, support, training etc.

[wodnyfilar]

I'm not expert that's why I wrote "probably" :) Thanks for correct.

[Ravage]

Great, way to give up intel on the net....

[Stormz_STA]

Great, way to give up intel on the net....

This info was floating on the net before Corran.pl posted it.

[Ravage]

That does not give you the right to throw them out the minute some one asks you to.

[Stormz_STA]

Why so serious, Ravage? I feel negative energy coming from you, soldier.

[Ravage]

I had a lot of sugar this morning.

[Mrufka]

A rough translation

Surgeons at hospital in Trzebnica transplantated two hands in a single operation. Patient is a GROM soldier and according to current information operation was a success. This is the best gift for the 20th anniversary of GROM. This is a very hard man. I am happy as a father, who rescued his son - said tvn24.pl Gen. Slawomir Petelicki, former head of the elite unit.
This is the first such complicated surgery in Poland. For 17 hours five surgeons fought to help him - says Sławomir Petelicki, who is in constant contact with doctors and a soldier.

In an interview with tvn24.pl Slawomir Petelicki was very critical of the Department of Defense. The operation was made possible by the long chain of people of good will, not by MOD.
It is a real human relationship, not the bulls***** PR-men, which we are short f*ckup - bluntly says a former commander of GROM-u.

In Polish only http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1660762,0,1,przeszczepili-obie-rece-oficerowi-grom_u,wiadomosc.html

[Switek]

Good news! Thanks for sharing Mrufka!

And HAPPY 20th BIRTHDAY GROM!!!!!!

[Smok]

Hospital in Trzebnica is one of the best in the world in transplantations. They can attach every body part, that was cut off, torn off or removed in other way.

[Mrufka]

Afganistan.
GROM with partnership of the Independent Air Group carried out an operation through which managed to break free two local police officers from the hands of the taliban.
As reported by lieutenant Sebastian Kostecki, the action was carried out on Sunday in the Andar district of Ghazni province.

Source ( in Polish) http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/2190679,11,sukces_grom_w_walce_z_talibami,item.html

[Ravage]

Where did they say it was the Taliban?

[Mrufka]

Where did they say it was the Taliban?
C'mon! You are a Pole and you have a problem with reading comprehension in Polish ? :roll:
I can't believe it.
At the top in bold letters p-) http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/2190679,11,sukces_grom_w_walce_z_talibami,item.html

[goat89]

Where did they say it was the Taliban?

C'mon! You are a Pole and you have a problem with reading comprehension in Polish ? :roll:
I can't believe it.
At the top in bold letters p-) http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/2190679,11,sukces_grom_w_walce_z_talibami,item.html
Too busy looking at chicks from the NVG in his Little Bird. Do forgive him.

[Ravage]

They do give you tunnel vision.
Btw, jurno talk is...jurno talk.

[Mrufka]

Two days ago GROM carried out an operation in Mogur in Ghazni province through which managed to break free high-ranking military from the hands of the taliban.
Abducted a former Afghan government army colonel and his son with them, the Poles found abducted a few days earlier an Afghan policeman.
This is another successful action to free hostage in June, GROM recaptured two Afghan police officers in Andar district.

Source: Gazeta Wyborcza

[marlowe]

Probably some reposts, but:

Training:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8159/czarna04.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5581/niebieska02.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3316/niebieska04.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1740/niebieska05.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6929/nurkowe.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7760/nurkowe3.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2272/paramedyk.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4471/paramedyk02.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9804/paramedyk03.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6640/piro03.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3387/piro04.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7959/pirotechnik.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8396/spadochron02.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1637/spadochron03.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9427/spadochron04.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3302/wysokosciowe02.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3954/zielona06.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7581/zielona07.jpg

Iraq/Kuwait:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9490/irak1.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6886/irak4.jpg

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8996/irak5.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/412/irak8.jpg

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8295/irak9.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1346/kuwejt.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2046/kuwejt1.jpg

Afghanistan:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4981/afganistan.jpg[/img]


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8859/afganistan1.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1792/afganistan2.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1604/afganistan5.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4559/afganistan6.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9496/afganistan7.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9225/afganistan8.jpg

Photos from: http://www.grom.wp.mil.pl/pl/1.html

[Stormz_STA]

Thanks marlowe for posting these pics.

[muttbutt]

147450

"Polish airsofter's dedication to re-enacting scenes from COD modern warfare II was legendary"

;)

[M90_FFS]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2272/paramedyk.jpg

-this image makes me cónfused. the woman has SUEZ & the H&K USP in a safariland and those 2 factors are GROM -style. Have i missed something? since when are women allowed in JW2305?

[Stormz_STA]

since when are women allowed in JW2305?

Since the creation of that unit.

[corran.pl]

http://merlin.pl/GROM-Sila-i-honor_Slawomir-Petelicki-Michal-Komar,images_big,19,978-83-08-04538-1.jpg

I have just finished this book and Sławomir Petylicki has other opinion on this.

BTW When Grom was created it was 14 men. No women.

[Stormz_STA]

I have just finished this book and Sławomir Petylicki has other opinion on this.

BTW When Grom was created it was 14 men. No women.

Ok, let me rephrase my last post: since early years of that unit's existence.

[corran.pl]

You are still wrong. At least if you don't count secretarys.

[Stormz_STA]

You are still wrong. At least if you don't count secretarys.

So tell me, when did women start to serve in GROM?

[corran.pl]

Who said they did?

[Stormz_STA]

Who said they did?

Women do serve in this unit, you know that.

[M90_FFS]

as what? coffe makers? as far i know women werent allowed in GROM at all. due to the lower tolerances of a womans Physics. And this picture makes thing wierd.
several special units dont accept women at all by the simpel fact that they cant take the same beating as a male body. if a male and a female train same things, same exersices etc. the male will be more supperior due more muscel mass.

this thing made me think on a thing over here in my country, firefighters over here must train to carry a 100Kg doll. not drag only carry. but if a woman wants to join she only needs to make it of with 60kg.. and that woman will put other lifes at risk if she accepts the lower expectations on her & her Physics. if a woman should join a physically demanding force & job they CAN´T demand an easiers course than they male colleagues.

So the question is how did she end up in GROM & are you sure that women are allowed? i am not so sure

[Switek]

It's commonly and widely known fact that women used to serve in GROM. The key is if there is just one woman serving there right now.

[M90_FFS]

can you prove it with a source?

[HadesssLoakoon]

can you prove it with a source?

"Noszą w sobie grom" Agnieszki Litorowicz-Siegert który ukazał się w "Twój Styl" luty 2006 (nr. 187), oraz "Komandos płci żeńskiej" Krzysztofa Chrapka z "MMS Komandos" luty 2005

[cdr marcinko]

It's commonly and widely known fact that women used to serve in GROM. The key is if there is just one woman serving there right now.


That maybe true, but in what role? Support ? Technical, maybe intelligence cell

I highly doubt they are assaulters

[corran.pl]

Lets say, there were some woman in Grom, at some point (but never in combat elements, only in recon/inteligence gathering elements).

Petylicki was not a big fan of women in Grom (as operators).

[corran.pl]

It's commonly and widely known fact that women used to serve in GROM.

Yeh... commonly and widely known fact. Just like that Rosomak is drawning and that F-16s are alwasy broken. Commonly and widely known fact my ass.

[Switek]

You're still kid, who never grows up....

[corran.pl]

And you're ignorant fanboy that knows only commonly and widely known facts that have nothing to do with real life.

[Switek]

Stop crying boy...

[corran.pl]

Go post somethng about ketchup.

[mack pl]

as what? coffe makers?

Your first question was not precise enough, you have asked only If womens are allowed to serve, so the short answer is yes. If you are asking "as what", please think a little bit, do you think womens would have to pass selection course to become coffe makers? And as far as I know some have passed selection. GROM would be the most hardcore unit on the world to allow coffe makers to serve only If they would pass selection, dont you think so?:)


as far i know women werent allowed in GROM at all.

Who told you that? I have read and heard different things.


due to the lower tolerances of a womans Physics. And this picture makes thing wierd.

Weird in what aspect? Lady might be paramedic, or even doctor, she doesn't need to be 190 cm tall and 100 kg weight to help wounded guy.



several special units dont accept women at all by the simpel fact that they cant take the same beating as a male body.

Maybe GROM have different point of view? Maybe.



if a male and a female train same things, same exersices etc. the male will be more supperior due more muscel mass.

If a 162 cm, and 58 kg male and 189 cm, 89 kg male will train same things, same exercises etc. the male who is 189 cm, and 89 kg will be more supperior due to muscle mass......at least he suppose to be. It still doesn't proof that female can not serve in GROM. Muscles are not everythng.


this thing made me think on a thing over here in my country, firefighters over here must train to carry a 100Kg doll. not drag only carry. but if a woman wants to join she only needs to make it of with 60kg.. and that woman will put other lifes at risk if she accepts the lower expectations on her & her Physics. if a woman should join a physically demanding force & job they CAN´T demand an easiers course than they male colleagues.

I have heard that the best commandos are not very tall and aren't too big. I don't know how many of them can carry 100 kg, and I don't kow If they need this skill at all. Maybe it's not that important factor in GROM, so women can serve in this unit, and maybe she has other important skills? More important then carrying 100 kg. Maybe.


So the question is how did she end up in GROM & are you sure that women are allowed? i am not so sure

There are two options, first, she has passed selection course, second, she was allowed to serve because she has some unique skills(language etc.). I don't think shes just a coffe maker who was asked to take part in a photo show for press. But it's just me. Just to make it clear, this photo doesn't mean she is in one of the combat teams, she may be in some kind of support team. But does it matter? Womens who served in GROM(coffe makers, intelligence etc.) have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. My point is, even If they dont serve in combat teams, they can serve in many other roles, also in hostile enviroment, and they may be helpfull for their male collegues from combat teams.

PS

Corran,

Petelicki, not Petylicki.

[Kunal Biswas]

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9703/sgtavor1.jpg


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3809/163615.jpg
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?186169-Today-s-Photos-Thursday-September-16-2010/page3



Nice thread..
I still miss Anders thread...


Keep up posting nice pics..

[Stormz_STA]

^

These are not pictures of GROM.

[Frutzel]

^

These are not pictures of GROM.

Isn't BOA police special forces?

EDIT:

Yes it is

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?6077-Polish-Police-unit-%28SPAT-BOA%29-training

[~~~~]

"Gunnery Sergeant John A. Dailey, leader of reconnaissance team 4, took charge of the mission. He headed what could be called a small combined joint task force, which consisted of Dailey, Gunnery Sergeant William M. Johnston from the counterintelligence section, a SEAL assigned to HUMINT duties, and an operator from the Polish special forces unit, the GROM, reportedly the best sniper in that organization. The GROM member was also a woman, an important factor since they were dealing with a female
target. (...)"

page 51:
http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/HD/PDF_Files/Pubs/OIF/Det%20One%20Boards_Det%20One.pdf






that should end your dispute.
besides, who told you the soldier on the picture is a woman? it's only a guess

[Stormz_STA]

^
I was looking today for that document you posted.
Thanks.

[~~~~]

it's plenty of interresting facts concerning GROM engagement in Iraq.
just ctrl F "grom", "thunder" or "Poles".

[corran.pl]

Sniper women of extrodynary skill? Interesting.

In the period this document is covering (i assume Polko command) there were many reports of women in the unit, so we can assume for sure that there were women in the unit at that time.


Since the creation of that unit.

No hard feeling, but from what I can remember from the book the Petelicki I can assume that there were no woman in assault teams (but there were no clear statements). Later I will try to find some citations.

The first team was men only for sure ;) There was a woman as units RTO.

Anyway my advice is to read Siła I Honor, Grom2.PL was also a great. Books are much better source o information then commonly and widely known forum assholes.

[mack pl]

In the period this document is covering (i assume Polko command) there were many reports of women in the unit, so we can assume for sure that there were women in the unit at that time.

There are even pics of female GROM soldiers in Iraq(A. Kwasniewski visit in Iraq). I remember one of MP.et Mod's(Deuterium) talking about GROM female soldier in Iraq. What more, there are pics of female combat team from 1990s as well(training in Poland).




No hard feeling, but from what I can remember from the book the Petelicki I can assume that there were no woman in assault teams (but there were no clear statements). Later I will try to find some citations.

Check page 204. However, I think in interview for Playboy(December 2010?) he stated that he created small female combat team, but unfortunately he showed it to prime minister L. Miller and Miller couldnt keep information about this female unit for himself, so there was no sense to keep this unit. According to Petelicki such unit is sensible only If noone knows about its existence. I don't have this number of Playboy so there will be no citations;-)

[corran.pl]

Check page 204.

- Podobno w GROM-ie służą też kobiety.
- No, nie wiem...

Anyway, shouldn't we stop discussing this subject because of OPSEC reasons?

[mack pl]

Haha, yeah, OPSEC/PERSEC/****SEC/EOT

[mack pl]

Grom2.PL

Page 300p-)

[M90_FFS]

who told you the soldier on the picture is a woman? it's only a guess

If you look youl see several female drafts in that persons body.

However, to end an discussion i want to request fresh pictures with WZ.93 & H&K 416. i know that GROM are free to use gear that the situation needs BUT to convince airsofters everything must be on picture.. A Ex-soldiers words are not enough & imagination seems to stop working as fast someone comes with information that dosent comply with theirs point of view.

[mack pl]

If you need wz. 93 and HK416, I think you should start reenact 1 PSK, not GROM.

[muttbutt]

Can I ask a question?. What is the main difference between 1 PSK and GROM?....SF, Delta force kind of relationship?

[mack pl]

Yes........

[Stormz_STA]

Can I ask a question?. What is the main difference between 1 PSK and GROM?....SF, Delta force kind of relationship?

You can ask, yes. You don't have the necessary security clearance to get an answer though.

[corran.pl]

Grom was created in early 90s as an elite force, an was like this from the begining - first combat team was very small, the unit grew over time. In the begining it was part of ministry of interior, not the ministry of defense. The main tasks were Counter Terrorism ant Anti Terrorism Operations as well as VIP Protection. As the unit grew (the second - see combat team was created) unit had more combat capbilities. From the begining (mid 90s) unit was using wetern weapons (like MP5 and KAC or Buschmaster M4 clones).

1st Commando Regiment was created by joining "special" companys from the PRL era, for very long unit was well into Land Forces structure using standard gear and had conscripts (well selected but nevertheles). Afther creation of SOCOM unit started to recive some real good weapons like HK416 - earlier standard eqquipment were Beryl or AKM rifles.

[mack pl]

You can ask, yes. You don't have the necessary security clearance to get an answer though.

He has Arnold on his avatar, so he has clearance to everything.

[monolit]

Grom was created in early 90s as an elite force, an was like this from the begining - first combat team was very small, the unit grew over time. In the begining it was part of ministry of interior, not the ministry of defense. The main tasks were Counter Terrorism ant Anti Terrorism Operations as well as VIP Protection. As the unit grew (the second - see combat team was created) unit had more combat capbilities. From the begining (mid 90s) unit was using wetern weapons (like MP5 and KAC or Buschmaster M4 clones).

Wasn't "Grupa Realizacyjna Operacji Most" the protoplast of GROM?

[OG.d.R. Timmy]

GROM (In Polish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_language): Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno-Manewrowego "Operational Mobile Reaction Group"; the acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym) itself means "thunderbolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt)") is the primary special forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_forces) unit of the Polish Land Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Land_Forces)

Says Wikipedia

[monolit]

Says Wikipedia

Polish Wiki says also about "Grupa Realizacyjna Operacji Most" and that "Operacja Most" ("Operation Bridge (http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOST_%28%C5%BBydzi%29)") was the primary reason to establish GROM.

source (http://zarmiiswiata.note.pl/grom/128-dowodcy/152-grom-wywiad-z-gen-bryg-sawomirem-petelickim.html) in Polish

[Switek]

GROM (In Polish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_language): Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno-Manewrowego "Operational Mobile Reaction Group"; the acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym) itself means "thunderbolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt)") is the primary special forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_forces) unit of the Polish Land Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Land_Forces)

Says Wikipedia

Wikipedia needs to be updated. GROM is a part of SOF not Land Forces. BTW Most folks is clueless that initially it was created as Internal Affairs Ministry unit.

[vinny_121_ND]

Wikipedia needs to be updated. GROM is a part of SOF not Land Forces. BTW Most folks is clueless that initially it was created as Internal Affairs Ministry unit.

you can edit it if you wanted to. There's a edit function within wikipedia.

[Switek]

you can edit it if you wanted to. There's a edit function within wikipedia.

Sure but I leave it for smarter than me, folks.

[corran.pl]

Wikipedia needs to be updated. GROM is a part of SOF not Land Forces. BTW Most folks is clueless that initially it was created as Internal Affairs Ministry unit.

The fact is GROM was never part o Land Forces.

[BarmaLINI]

"Wojskowa Formacja Specjalna GROM podlega bezpośrednio pod rozkazy ministra obrony narodowej."
http://www.grom.wp.mil.pl/pl/index.html

GROM is part of Wojska Specjalne Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej (Special Forces of Republic of Poland), and not a Land Force

[M90_FFS]

If you need wz. 93 and HK416, I think you should start reenact 1 PSK, not GROM.

thats not the point, the point is that those ppl only think that everthing a 'sof-unit are using is pictured and writen down on official document that the public can access.
so, to shut them up i need a picture to stop the flame war beacuse it´s ridiculous that a simple fact like they are a SOF-unit and everything does not get pictured seems to escalate everything in a flamewar

[corran.pl]

HK416 and wz. 93

I'm not sure if its grom or 1. psepc.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2oCsQyJoJ1g/TSIV6FErB2I/AAAAAAAAAJ8/ZJddGWO-y_k/s1600/fz95dd.jpg

[Ravage]

Regiment

........

[BarmaLINI]

HK416 and wz. 93

I'm not sure if its grom or 1. psepc.


that is BOR

[~~~~]

this is straż miejska

[Stormz_STA]

this is straż miejska

Nope, that is Straż Leśna.

[~~~~]

they may also be municipal transport ticket controllers.

[Switek]

You all forgot airsofters...

[muttbutt]

they may also be municipal transport ticket controllers.
Jesus even your ticket collectors are hardcore in Polandp-)

[Switek]

Railway Security Guard SOF:

http://www.kow.com.pl/galerie/?tx_wtgallery_pi1

and then

click
SOK szkoli się przed Euro 2012


;)

[mack pl]

so, to shut them up i need a picture to stop the flame war beacuse it´s ridiculous that a simple fact like they are a SOF-unit and everything does not get pictured seems to escalate everything in a flamewar

Good luck amigo.

[M90_FFS]

Sorry but that picture was PSK1 not BOR or others :/

Well i can atleast try to stop it? it´s pretty obvious that everything aint pictured. but that aint obvious for others :(

[Stormz_STA]

Sorry but that picture was PSK1 not BOR or others :/


No, it was definitely Railway Security Guard Tactical Team.

[corran.pl]

PSK? Pułk Strzelców Konnych/Horse Riflemen Regiment?

I can't see ther horses!

[Stormz_STA]

PSK? Pułk Strzelców Konnych/Horse Riflemen Regiment?

I can't see ther horses!

Those horses served as shooting targets. All died doing what they loved.

[monolit]

Those horses served as shooting targets. All died doing what they loved.
I wonder what kind of stimulants do you take? ;)

[Stormz_STA]

I wonder what kind of stimulants do you take? ;)

None.
Seriously.

[corran.pl]

Where do they sell this "none" thing?

[~~~~]

Railway Security Guard SOF:

http://www.kow.com.pl/galerie/?tx_wtgallery_pi1

and then

click
SOK szkoli się przed Euro 2012


;)

no ****, ordinary railway guards are now armed with G36c?!?!?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/728/zrzutekranu20110204godz.png (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/zrzutekranu20110204godz.png/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Switek]

no ****, ordinary railway guards are now armed with G36c?!?!?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/728/zrzutekranu20110204godz.png (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/zrzutekranu20110204godz.png/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

I'm not sure what's worse... to arm them with G36c's or let them play it their ASG replicas...

[corran.pl]

This sopused AT teem is ridiculous, even if we would had hostage sytuacion in train car first on the site would be local Police SPAT, and in a few hours we should have BOA or even GROM there.

Nobody would allow them to take action.

[mack pl]

SPAP or SAT

PS

What's the correct name of 1 PSK(1 Pułk Specjalny Komandosów), just wondering because you seem to not accept "1 PSK"? Is it 1 PS, 1 psk, 1 ps, 1 ps im. "komandosów"?

[Robal2pl]

1. There are no police units called "SPAT" ;-) Official name is SPAP.
2. The SOK teams - despite unwise posing with asg repilicas - are not AT/Hostage rescue units. They are just intervention teams, better prepared and armed than "stardard" railway guard. Hostage situation? No. Active shooter/armed robbery on railway area - yes.

Robal2pl

[Stormz_STA]

2. The SOK teams - despite unwise posing with asg repilicas - are not AT/Hostage rescue units. They are just intervention teams, better prepared and armed than "stardard" railway guard. Hostage situation? No. Active shooter/armed robbery on railway area - yes.

Robal2pl

Silly me, there I was thinking they are on a par with GROM or BOA.
You learn something new every day :)

[corran.pl]

1. Pułk Specjalny Komandosów - 1. pspec

SOCOM is going to change the name on jednostka specjalna komandosów \

[Granit]

Ok. There is one AKMS or AKS-47. I think it's the only real gun (maybe except handguns). Rest are ASG/Paintball replicas.

[~~~~]

Ok. There is one AKMS or AKS-47. I think it's the only real gun (maybe except handguns). Rest are ASG/Paintball replicas.

how can you know that? (besides obvious paintball gear)

[Granit]

how can you know that? (besides obvious paintball gear)

Because I don't have any info about G36 in Straż Ochrony Kolei service. Here is a link to the discussion (in Polish) about these pics:
http://specops.com.pl/forum/szkolenia-dla-sluzb-panstwowych-i-agencji-ochrony-vt8913.htm?view=previous

If G36 is a real weapon it could be borrowed from other service participated in exercises.

[Stormz_STA]

^
That's you on those pics, Granit?

[zapatero]

Because I don't have any info about G36 in Straż Ochrony Kolei service.
And who are you to know that amigo?

[Granit]

^
That's you on those pics, Granit?

Yes, but I posted it by mistake. Sorry for this :oops:

[Granit]

And who are you to know that amigo?

I didn't say that I know for sure. I said I don't have any info about that. If you know better correct me.

[Stormz_STA]

I didn't say that I know for sure. I said I don't have any info about that. If you know better correct me.

zapatero, reading comprehension fail?




;)

[zapatero]

Not at all. Just for your consideration Granit's sentence was suggesting that he alone is the alpha and omega on the issue, which at the end would give the impression that he is some kind of airosoft-OMFG-delta-genetic-mishap. This thread deserves better than this. As it is more an unfortunate choice of words this is not the case. And stop being such a smart ass Stormz.

[Stormz_STA]

Granit's sentence was suggesting that he alone is the alpha and omega on the issue.

No it wasn't suggesting that.

[zapatero]

No it wasn't suggesting that.
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac342/Dervatt/GIFs/1103247_o.gif

[Stormz_STA]

^
Exactly.
I see you've finally got it that I was right and you were wrong.
Let's not talk about it anymore as I understand this whole affair is a bit embarrassing to you.

[zapatero]

Ha! So you admit it! You fail, I win. That's splendid that adult people can have a mature conversation on the internet using well thought and balanced arguments on really important issues. Thank you and good bye. And now, to something completely diffferent...

[Stormz_STA]

Ha! So you admit it! You fail, I win.

Again.


zapatero, reading comprehension fail?




Thank you and good bye. And now, to something completely diffferent...

Not so fast, ese. I still wanna bash and ridicule you.

Edit: Gotta get back to work, I'll finish with you later, hombre.

[zapatero]

Jeez, Stormz... You are like a freakin' Alec Baldwin. You just don't know when to stop acting like a fool.

[Stormz_STA]

Don't tell me you're getting all pissy here.
Fvck, because of you I can't work now. See how angry you made me!

[zapatero]

Who's the cry baby now, huh? :D Ok, enough of this BS. Someone please post something relevant to this thread.

[peter.pl]

Guys... Make just fist fight and stop talking...

[mack pl]

SOCOM is going to change the name on jednostka specjalna komandosów \

Where have you heard/read that?

[GottLuft]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0z5FXbXS8k

[OG.d.R. Timmy]

awesome way to enter a couch, awesome! destroying the windows and looking inside. cool.

[peter.pl]

I love movies in style which I can call 'DeltautrlacommandoWTStronG1!1111!' made by ASG funboys

[Pro-Tec]

ASG replicas :>
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9176/57945886.jpg

- Little gear in magazine (like Hi-cap)
- Black magazine
- Sig 552?!
- Typical, airsoft red-dot :>

[mack pl]

Pics from Today. I see new helmets.

http://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/grafika/488298,60045,grom_w_akcji_zobacz_zdjecia.html

[Switek]

Pics from Today. I see new helmets.

http://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/grafika/488298,60045,grom_w_akcji_zobacz_zdjecia.html

Couldn't you upload just one pic?

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8370/339540.jpg

Lazy man!

[Mr Fischer]

There are copies of polish Uniform-Trousers on the go through the internet by a company called Helicon. Made in "Camogrom". Can someone tell a place where to buy original polish gear?

[mr_ffox]

http://www.miwo-military.pl/?p=9.38.*-NEWS-*

Uniforms

[Switek]

http://www.miwo-military.pl/?p=9.38.*-NEWS-*

Uniforms

They were ordered by 1st Special Commando Regiment.

[mack pl]

Couldn't you upload just one pic?



No, because I'm on holidays, haha

[muttbutt]

Pics from Today. I see new helmets.

http://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/grafika/488298,60045,grom_w_akcji_zobacz_zdjecia.html
Ops-core helmets...all the rage at them moment with those kind's of folk.

[Stormz_STA]

...all the rage at them moment with those kind's of folk.

What?
.........

[muttbutt]

What?
.........it's gibberish just go with it....

[Stormz_STA]

it's gibberish

Thought so.
Damn Irish are always drunk.

[muttbutt]

Anyhow, the ops-core helmet is very much in fashion with various SF units, the Brits have them now, the yanks, Italians ect....

[muttbutt]

Thought so.
Damn Irish are always drunk.
It'd 1:45 PM sir.....I'm quite sobeeeeeeeer *hic*

[FREEDOM]

Thanks mr_ffox.

[mr_ffox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUs9jJhYQvY


Thanks mr_ffox.
No problem :)

They were ordered by 1st Special Commando Regiment.

Oh really ? I saw GROM today and yesterday wearing them.

[mack pl]

If you look youl see several female drafts in that persons body.

However, to end an discussion i want to request fresh pictures with WZ.93 & H&K 416. i know that GROM are free to use gear that the situation needs BUT to convince airsofters everything must be on picture.. A Ex-soldiers words are not enough & imagination seems to stop working as fast someone comes with information that dosent comply with theirs point of view.

http://www.grom.wp.mil.pl/pl/8.html

http://www.grom.wp.mil.pl/plik/image/szkolenie/zielona06.JPG

third guy from the right, I guess he is wearing wz 93

[OG.d.R. Timmy]

looks lil bit like british dpm oO

[mack pl]

The fourth guy who is standing behind the HMMWV has jacket in DPM, fact, but I was talking about third guy who is kneeling behind next HMMWV(he has HK416 with underbarrel grenade launcher), he wears wz 93.

[wwjs]

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/d7e30aae.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/3727fb8d.jpg
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http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/de48f1ca.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/41974692.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/360604e8.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/fdf8391a.jpg
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http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/1c19d970.jpg
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Polish%20Army/3dac19ca.jpg

[Mrufka]

Today is the 21st anniversary.
Happy Birthday GROM

[Switek]

So from today GROM can legally drink booze in US!

[SuperBootie]

Why are u getting mad? Serisouly? Its a forum..............grow up

MY RESPECT IS FOR THose COUNTRIES THAT FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM in the PAST who fought real wars that were worth fighting.

UNITED KINGDOM, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND I FORGOT THE GREAT LAND OF RUSSIA!!!

Listen tosser, quite a few of us operate with GROM especially in the STAN....I have and do trust my own as well, more importantly, my teams security in joint ops with the GROM lads. At no point has this trust been broken. Your a civvy with a somewhat gay crush on the Rangers....BTW the 75th are a different operational type. They are extremely good at what they do however; to spout crap not even being a serving pointy stick chap is quite plainly pathetic!

[mack pl]

Hi, you do realise he posted this crap almost 8 years ago? :) Hopefully he grown up already.

Rgds,
Mack

[widi243]

Hi, you do realise he posted this crap almost 8 years ago? :) Hopefully he grown up already.

Rgds,
Mack

And educate himself ;)

[Stormz_STA]

Listen tosser, quite a few of us operate with GROM especially in the STAN....I have and do trust my own as well, more importantly, my teams security in joint ops with the GROM lads. At no point has this trust been broken. Your a civvy with a somewhat gay crush on the Rangers....BTW the 75th are a different operational type. They are extremely good at what they do however; to spout crap not even being a serving pointy stick chap is quite plainly pathetic!

Nice post SB, kinda late though ;)


Anyway, here's an article about GROM's 21st anniversary, in Polish only, but there are a couple of interesting pics of GROM's gear:

http://www.altair.com.pl/start-6420

[trytan]

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/5981/96630283.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/96630283.jpg/)
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/4439/57865378.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/57865378.jpg/)
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http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5743/55996150.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/55996150.jpg/)
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http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/9162/98430774.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/864/98430774.jpg/)
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/176/44310344.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/806/44310344.jpg/)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5521/69548672.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/69548672.jpg/)
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http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6145/10771686.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/10771686.jpg/)

[Switek]

No English subtitles available...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGEXgyqhfYI

[Stormz_STA]

I see our MoD is doing everything it can to promote our Armed Forces
:)

[HadesssLoakoon]

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8557/11128276.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1512/36482973.jpg

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http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6748/91753927.jpg


Members of Poland's Elite Special Forces Unit, GROM, fly over the city of Gdansk (http://www.daylife.com/topic/Gdansk?__site=daylife) November 29, 2011. Poland's Elite Special Forces Unit, GROM, in conjunction with Poland's Antiterrorist Police Force and Railroad Defence Guard took part in a week-long exercise involving different hostage rescue situations at disclosed locations in Northern Poland. Commandoes have been simulating a multiple hostage situation in case criminals target the world's second largest football tournament, which is being co-hosted with Ukraine (http://www.daylife.com/topic/Ukraine?__site=daylife) next June. Picture taken November 29, 2011

[HadesssLoakoon]

Troopers storm a train as Poland's Elite Special Forces Unit (GROM), Poland's Antiterrorist Police Force and Railroad Defence Guard take part in an exercise involving a hostage rescue situation on a train at an undisclosed location in northern Poland prior to the Euro 2012 (http://www.daylife.com/topic/Euro_2012?__site=daylife) soccer championships, December 1-2, 2011. Poland is investing heavily in security for next year's European football championship despite downgrading the number of visitors it expects. Commandoes have been simulating a multiple hostage situation in case criminals target the world's second largest football tournament, which is being co-hosted with Ukraine (http://www.daylife.com/topic/Ukraine?__site=daylife) next June. Picture taken December 1-2, 2011

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4834/32490164.jpg

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http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1253/80037964.jpg

[Big Mo]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9483/80220422.jpg


us trainers maybe? because ACU, no weapon in the holster....just guessing into the blue...

[Stormz_STA]

us trainers maybe? because ACU, no weapon in the holster....just guessing into the blue...
No.
It was a joint exercise of POLSOF, Police and the Railway Guard. The guy in ACU is most likely a cop.

[peter.pl]

Most likely from BOA

[innsbronx]

Which ones are the Railroad Defence Guard? Can someone link to some pics and info about them? Btw. is there a reason why the GROM guys wear desert cam?

[lupus]

...and weapon can be in hand not in a holster.
That is not the first photo of BOA in ACU. Some says it is because it is similar to plamiak. Other camo used by Polish Police.


Railroad Defence Guard - black suites. Not all of black ones, most of them are Police.
http://www.kgsok.pl/
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straż_Ochrony_Kolei
- both in Polish language.

[wwjs]

BOA was wearing ACU in Elite World Cops program
167848

[innsbronx]

Railroad Defence Guard - black suites. Not all of black ones, most of them are Police.
http://www.kgsok.pl/
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straż_Ochrony_Kolei
- both in Polish language.

According to their site, they can only use physical strength, batons, gas spring air weapons and handcuffs (if the translation was correct). How does that go together with what we see above? I don't know if any of those sporting SMGs and rifles are actually SOK, but they seem to be armed.

Plus, isn't it exaggerated to have an anti-terrorism squad within your railway protection service?

edit: I guess it's these guys that we see above:
http://www.kgsok.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=82

[thanamestolga]

Plus, isn't it exaggerated to have an anti-terrorism squad within your railway protection service?

No kidding, thats what I call dedication to ones railway system :)

[rhino]

railroad system is still a major means of transporting goods and people in europe, why not have a dedicated protection force instead of localized police force to deal with crisis?

[innsbronx]

Afaik this special operation squad is located in Warsaw. Poland is quite a big country, how'd they get to the site of a potential attack? I'm sure local police/swat will reach the location much faster. And for Warsaw alone? I've been there in early September. There are three large railway stations and additional local SKM (suburban train) ones. Hardly enough to justify their own anti-terror squad, right?

Just for clarification: I wasn't questioning the existence of the Railway Guard in general, just this special unit.

[peter.pl]

They are created for taking out groups of railroads thieves wich is big problem in Poland. Probably some of them had guns so they created own group. I think it's better than waiting days for permition to use local SPAP.

[Smok]

According to their site, they can only use physical strength, batons, gas spring air weapons and handcuffs (if the translation was correct). How does that go together with what we see above? I don't know if any of those sporting SMGs and rifles are actually SOK, but they seem to be armed.

Plus, isn't it exaggerated to have an anti-terrorism squad within your railway protection service?

edit: I guess it's these guys that we see above:
http://www.kgsok.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=82

No. They can also use firearms including machine weapons. each guardsman is armed with pistol during normal duty.

[wwjs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqtoORG31uU
:cantbeli:

[Stormz_STA]

The guy is just trying to make a living...;)

[Arbody]

The guy is just trying to make a living...;)
Yup " hostile takeover" literally

[mr_ffox]

For me, a guy who doesn't know how wear tie, and fastens all the buttons on a suit is not a person i can trust in a business and give him a money.

[Stormz_STA]

For me, a guy who doesn't know how wear tie, and fastens all the buttons on a suit is not a person i can trust in a business and give him a money.

:) He does look like a moron in that suit

[peter.pl]

Why he is useing military unit name in private businnes? Even in book's name GROM is marked. It's not his own circus, he can't make money by well-known name, civilians can't wear uniform parts but ret. general is bitching around with whole unit..

[mack pl]

Why he is useing military unit name in private businnes?.

The unit name is JW GROM im. Cichociemnych spadochroniarzy Armii Krajowej or smth like that. Anyway, he used the word GROM because he can, its not a trade mark, same like word Delta in US.

[Stormz_STA]

Go back to your hole, attention whore.

:)

[peter.pl]

I know he can, but IMO that's not right,that's all :)

[mack pl]

I know he can, but IMO that's not right,that's all :)

I know, that you know ;-)

[wwjs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE8oE5y6dSw

[wwjs]

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2rrncs4.jpg
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http://oi42.tinypic.com/1622us5.jpg
http://oi41.tinypic.com/k16ufs.jpg

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2l8jgxl.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cichociemni

http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/index.php?option=com_morfeoshow&task=view&gallery=127&Itemid=180

[wwjs]

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2wnprwg.jpg
http://oi44.tinypic.com/2ebhh1i.jpg
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2vjsrkg.jpg
http://oi44.tinypic.com/ngy790.jpg

The original pics are not persec'ed so I hope that no one will post them

[Ravage]

Last guy is not GROM.

[wwjs]

Thank you for your precious info that he's from Formoza. As always very helpful...

[Ravage]

http://funnyfreepics.com/images/chill_pill.jpg

[Stormz_STA]

You children play nice or else...

[Mrufka]

GROM operator killed in diving accident during training. He served in unit since 1998, he was 37.
RIP
http://www.grom.wp.mil.pl/pl/2_14.html

[bloublougong]

hi men, can you post some pics of GROM operators with czech LRM ANTOS mortar and RPG-75TB, please?

[corran.pl]

No, we can't.

[bloublougong]

No, we can't.


thanx, well, corran cannot into space (because he is ministry of defence of the Earth, of course), that´s well know fact long time, so back to the topic...

[Stormz_STA]

thanx, well, corran cannot into space (because he is ministry of defence of the Earth, of course), that´s well know fact long time, so back to the topic...

Don't worry about corran, he's a grumpy asshole.

[rhino]

oi, corran sais haram, so it's haram

****


head

[lupus]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/05/30/remington-acr-deployed-in-afganistan-with-polish-sf/

Any one know any thing about this?
True or some internet........?

Specially with such internet finds like:


Samopalresponded to rick on May 31st, 2012 at 7:28 am Link To Comment (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/05/30/remington-acr-deployed-in-afganistan-with-polish-sf/#comment-97804) | Reply To Comment (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/05/30/remington-acr-deployed-in-afganistan-with-polish-sf/?replytocom=97804#respond)Not so much. Here’s a snippet out of an interview with Travis Haley. You can find similar problems in virtually every other written and video review on the ACR.
—-
Tyler Long: travis quick question and anyone can answer to if they please, Im taking a poll SCAR L or ACR
Travis Haley: SCAR is far more accurate and reliable. I could certainly do without the reciprocating CH but I can get over that considering I have been very happy with the performance of the SCAR in classes and testing. I have broke every ACR I have ever touched with simple weapons manipulation.
Ed Driver: Travis what broke on the ACR
Travis Haley: short answer: Cant put any pressure on the mag when firing, spring tension issues, true barrel issues, accuracy issues, over insertion of mags, eats Pmags, weird malfunctions, just a lot of no go criteria issues that unfortunately haven’t been fixed yet.
David Alayon: So the Remington “milspec” variant is the same?

Travis Haley: yes that was the MIL variant…

[Dave76]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/05/30/remington-acr-deployed-in-afganistan-with-polish-sf/

Any one know any thing about this?
True or some internet........?
Probably intel guys attached to Special Forces, has already been discussed in the Polish SOF thread.

[lupus]

thx for quick answer.

[Mrufka]

Gen. Sławomir Petelicki, founder and first commander of GROM is dead, apparently committed suicide.
RIP

[corran.pl]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XW7ep4_noRA/TaHJ1PVIweI/AAAAAAAANR8/8NfK5wXR1Jo/s800/Petelicki_plk.jpg

R.I.P.
13.09.1946 - 16.06.2012

[Stormz_STA]

A short news clip in whcih you can see some nice GROM helmet cam footage

http://www.tvp.pl/publicystyka/tematyka-spoleczna/panorama/reportaze/grom-w-afganistanie/8267749