GROM (Polish SF Unit) [Archive]

REMOV

07-18-2003, 02:07 PM

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The President of the Republic of Poland, Mr. Aleksander Kwasniewski (left) with col. Polko, CO of the GROM.
http://www.sfd.pl/1/images/20030616194541.jpg

The GROM members and the Polish Prime Minister, Mr. Leszek Miller.
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Ekhm... and a little exclusive picture - the GROM operator (rear) in Afghanistan ;)
http://www.remov.com/inne/_GROM.jpg

...and as the guest star, Austrian GEK operator ;)
http://www.sfd.pl/1/images/20030224191332.jpg

lax07

07-18-2003, 02:24 PM

nice post remov, keep up the good work
jus wondering if Grom was the polish unit the worked withthe seals in iraq?

Gringo

07-18-2003, 02:32 PM

Very nice pics.

REMOV

07-18-2003, 02:33 PM

jus wondering if Grom was the polish unit the worked withthe seals in iraq?That's right.

ted

07-18-2003, 02:43 PM

hi
i m a new member.
my english is very bad. sorry :roll:

the man who is coming thru the window is a austrian gek(antiterror unit) member.

ted

REMOV

07-18-2003, 02:48 PM

the man who is coming thru the window is a austrian gek(antiterror unit) member.You're probably right, this picture doesn't fit to the rest, but I wasn't sure (someone described it as GROM operator). Thanks for the correction!

Trigger

07-18-2003, 04:28 PM

GREAT PICs REMOV!
I love the first one. Badass woot

Sundowner

07-18-2003, 06:06 PM

hi
i m a new member.
my english is very bad. sorry :roll:

the man who is coming thru the window is a austrian gek(antiterror unit) member.

ted
Are you sure about that?

I know that it's not a GROM operator, but I have info that it's an member of Polish/Australian paramilitary group: GreenDevils

More photos of them:
http://www.greendevils.pl/galeria_zdjec/sabotaz/anty_i_sabotaz.html
http://www.greendevils.pl/galeria_zdjec/nieregularne/nieregularne.html

Splinter26

07-18-2003, 09:41 PM

REMOV you're in the military?

GLax

07-18-2003, 10:37 PM

REMOV, this may seem like a stupid question but what does GROM stand for? Thunder or Lightning? i could be completely wrong on either come to think of it...

rob

07-18-2003, 11:07 PM

it means thunder but it is also an acronim for something. i think it was just a coquinsidence.

ted

07-19-2003, 05:27 AM

@sundownder
i m sure.
thats a einsatzkommando cobra(earlier gendamerieeinsatzkommando)member.
ted

REMOV

07-19-2003, 05:40 AM

it means thunder but it is also an acronim for something. i think it was just a coquinsidence.The truth is that the name GROM was first - to commemorate col. Gromoslaw C. one of the GROM founders (also famous for successful operation getting American agents out of Iraq in 1991) - and than someone try to invent and fit acronym into the name (by force a little). So, in Polish GROM stands for a "thunder", but acronim is expanded in at least three ways as: Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno Manewrowego (Maneuver Operational Reaction Group) - most official, and also Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno Mobilnego (Mobile Operational Reaction Group) or Grupa Rozpoznania Operacyjno Manewrowego (Mobile Operational Reconnaissance Group) depending on source.

Jooglae

07-19-2003, 07:52 AM

Awesome.....(They almost look like Americans!) p-)

I guess I should post some pictures of the 707th Special Battalion.....really hard to find their pics...

REMOV

07-19-2003, 08:25 AM

More pictures... (Thanks again, Tomek!)
http://www.remov.com/inne/_GROM2.jpg
http://www.wp.mil.pl/photoGallery/2001_10-12/9_listopada_2002/grom2_2.jpg
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CO of GROM, Lt. Col. R. Polko.
http://www.wp.mil.pl/photoGallery/2001_07-09/6_sierpnia_2001/polko1_2.jpg

CovOps

07-19-2003, 09:08 AM

way to go remov
very nice pics
the more pics you post, the more i like to have their gears and uniforms
excellent post, keep it coming

GLax

07-19-2003, 09:33 AM

thx for the answer rob and REMOV, i feel more edumacated now :petting:
awesome photos REMOV, keep em comin in

Argyll

07-19-2003, 09:54 AM

Excellent pics again Remov!
Can I ask what colour of beret the CO of GROM is wearing?It looks a bit like the sand coloured worn by SAS/SASR and US Rangers!

REMOV

07-19-2003, 11:06 AM

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REMOV

07-19-2003, 11:51 AM

Can I ask what colour of beret the CO of GROM is wearing?It looks a bit like the sand coloured worn by SAS/SASR and US Rangers!The GROM traces its history to the Cichociemni (means "The Dark-and-silent Ones", it's hard to translate this word) Polish special unit of Armia Krajowa (Country's Army or State Army the underground military organization in occupied Poland, which functioned in all areas of the country from the fall of 1939 until its disbanding in January 1945) during World War II, they was forgotten heros, redeploy to occupied country to fight with Nazis. The problem was that Cichociemni's were called "the soldiers without uniforms", deeply undercover warriors with no insignias or badges, but they were trained (a parachuting training) by the 1. Samodzielna Brygada Spadochronowa (http://www.robspad.republika.pl/index1.html) (1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade Group led by General Stanislaw Sosabowski, famous for Operation Market Garden; if you remeber the movie "A Bridge too far" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0075784), Gene Hackman played the Sosabowski role) site. And the 1SBS was wearing gray berets, so the traditions stays.

One thing - after the World War II in Poland the berets of parachute units changed their color form gray to deep-red, so now only the GROM is wearing gray ones.

Argyll

07-19-2003, 02:40 PM

Thanks Remov!

REMOV

07-19-2003, 05:23 PM

GROM during Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan 2002)
http://grom.wp.fm.interia.pl/grom92.jpg
http://grom.wp.fm.interia.pl/grom93.jpg

Gringo

07-19-2003, 05:42 PM

I like that camo. Looks a lot like the USMC Urban MARPAT.

Argyll

07-19-2003, 06:01 PM

Screaming,
It looks nothing like the USMC Marpat ,there are better pics posted elsewhere,it looks more like Woodland BDU's if theres any similarities !

bartek308

07-19-2003, 06:10 PM

Screaming,
It looks nothing like the USMC Marpat ,there are better pics posted elsewhere,it looks more like Woodland BDU's if theres any similarities !

Polish deset camo, the same which is use in Iraq.

Argyll

07-19-2003, 06:46 PM

Thats what I said! If there were any similarities,they'd look more like Woodland BDU's,but there aren't any so hence the comment!! ;)

He219

07-21-2003, 11:34 AM

Great pic's REMOV! woot

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=375844

Polish troops from the 25th Air Cavalry Brigade train at a range in the central Polish city of Tomaszow Mazowiecki on Friday, July 18, 2003, before they go to Iraq on a peacekeeping mission next month. Poland is sending some 2,300 troops to lead a multinational stabilization force in central Iraq. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)

JiJoMacLE45

07-21-2003, 12:40 PM

You're going to send an airsofter into data overload.

Herrmannek

07-21-2003, 03:37 PM

Yea, How to get such nice airsofty chopers...

Argyll

07-21-2003, 03:58 PM

Remov,
Where can I find unit patches etc of the Polish Armed force?
I'm looking for Airborne/SF unit patches and insignia

Sundowner

07-21-2003, 06:14 PM

www.ranger.pl (sorry it's in Polish language only)
look at the left, under "Naszywki WP"

I'm not sure if they could send them to you... but you can always ask: ranger@ranger.pl

http://www.ranger.pl/nasz_duze/1038-b.jpg http://www.ranger.pl/nasz_duze/1038.jpg
Nice huh? ;) It cost something around 6Eu each (without shipping)

CovOps

07-22-2003, 05:13 AM

Great pic's REMOV!

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=375844

Quote:
Polish troops from the 25th Air Cavalry Brigade train at a range in the central Polish city of Tomaszow Mazowiecki on Friday, July 18, 2003, before they go to Iraq on a peacekeeping mission next month. Poland is sending some 2,300 troops to lead a multinational stabilization force in central Iraq. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)

is that a Sokol helicopter they're using?

nice GROM patch.

Argyll

07-22-2003, 05:22 AM

Sundowner
Thanks thats exactly what I was looking for!

=75th=RANGER

07-22-2003, 07:48 AM

WHO GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT THE POLISH?????????

SPECIAL FORCES MY ASS

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!

HOOOOOOAAH!!!!

Argyll

07-22-2003, 08:15 AM

What an asshole Ranger!!

Gringo

07-22-2003, 08:34 AM

What the hell's up with u Ranger!
U post a video up claiming it's "Green Beret's in Vietnam" but turns out to be someone getting there arse kicked.
WHY!!!???

Royal

07-22-2003, 10:32 AM

WHO GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT THE POLISH?????????

SPECIAL FORCES MY ASS

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!

HOOOOOOAAH!!!!

If you really are in the 75th Ranger Rgt (& I very much doubt it), you would know full well of GROM's involvement in Iraq and Afganistan. I suspect you're yet another DigitalAdam.

Don't talk crap about stuff you know **** about.

=75th=RANGER

07-22-2003, 04:07 PM

Im not a Ranger.........i like the RANGERS but i dont give any respect to any other country's Military except for Canada, UK, USA and Australia thats it.

HOOAH!!

Argyll

07-22-2003, 04:31 PM

Then you ain't worth jack sh*t Ranger,because the GROM have performed very admirably ALONGSIDE all thse troops mention,and in particular at Um Qasar,at the beggining of the war in Iraq!
You're just a typical wannabe who posts absaloute garbage in these forums.....................get a life!

madmike

07-22-2003, 04:38 PM

It's easy to belive that's you're the best when you're sitting in front of TV watching all propaganda news. Wake up Ranger... I've a lot of respect to US, UK, Canada and Austalia Military, but there are many others good units. Like polish Grom, Dutch SF, German KSK.

=75th=RANGER

07-22-2003, 04:42 PM

Splinter26

07-22-2003, 05:35 PM

75th you're a fukin idiot dude.

Sundowner

07-22-2003, 05:40 PM

Why are u getting mad? Serisouly? Its a forum..............grow up

MY RESPECT IS FOR THose COUNTRIES THAT FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM in the PAST who fought real wars that were worth fighting.

UNITED KINGDOM, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND I FORGOT THE GREAT LAND OF RUSSIA!!!
C'mon kid, tell us when you last time read a history book?

Over 1000 years of Polish history, we ware still betwen countres that wanted our lands - the Russia, Germany, Austria, ... till 1772 we were still at fight with them... and guess what, we ware winning... (Damn, even Sweden invade us...)

Then **** happened, and Poland was divided betwen Russia, Germany and Austria... for over 200years we were fighting for our freedom... after first WW we finely got our freedom, and a part of our home land.

1922 - again Russians, we won... everything was ok till 1939 when as we all know... the WW2 begin... Poland was invaded by Germans, and Russians (ever heard about Ribenrtrop - Molotov pact? I doubt) for 6 years we were fighting alongside any nation that was fighting with Germans on every single front line, and guess what - we all won, then we got back our land, and again **** happend - the world was divided to 2 parts - the west, and east (remmeber that cold war stuff...ahh.. finely something you remember) till 1989 we were under the "help" of Russians (very healthy to us... everything we done was shipped to "mother Russia" ).

I don't need your respect but don't you dare telling me we know jack obout fighting for our freedom

PS. This is veeeeeery simplified Polish history.
PS2. Don't look at the gramar I have a long brake in using that language ;)

Argyll

07-22-2003, 05:44 PM

Ranger, You must be all of 12 years old,cause it shows a sever lack of maturity in your contents
Exactly what wars are you refering too?
GROM have been EVERYWHERE the US SOF have been for the last 15 years,that includes Iraq 91,Somalia,Haiti,Afghanistan,and lately Iraq,what fuc*king wars of freedom you talking about ,you're talking so much crap,it's unbeliveable..................stay off the crack and listen to others,you're fast falling into the same crap that DG,Adamballbag,and DG 55 used to post...............wise up or ship out!

rob

07-22-2003, 05:53 PM

why do you even dignify that with a response?

seventy6er

07-22-2003, 07:04 PM

GROM have been EVERYWHERE the US SOF have been for the last 15 years,that includes Iraq 91,Somalia,Haiti,Afghanistan,and lately Iraq

that's just not right.

Chris1

07-22-2003, 07:10 PM

Argyll

07-22-2003, 07:15 PM

seventy6er

07-22-2003, 07:24 PM

Can you elaborate a bit on that remark seventy6er,apart from South America,where have the NOT operated,that the US SOF have done?
Because they've been deployed to all these place I mentioned,90% of the time alongside US SOF

ok lemme see. GROM was founded in 1990, so "the last 15 years" is wrong. but it's right they operated in haiti, former yugoslavia, afghanistan and iraq. but definitely not "EVERYWHERE the US SOF have been for the last 15 years". the didn't operate in somalia either.

Argyll

07-22-2003, 07:31 PM

Cheers for that 76!
I just used the 15 years thing to make a point to Ranger!,I couldn't remember when GROM were founded!
I wasn't sure about the Somalia thing,I just threw it in,I seem to remember reading somewhere that there were a few non US SOF working inside Somalia at some stage,it wasn't a US Exclusive TAO!Perhaps some attache personnel!?........I can't remember!

Splinter26

07-23-2003, 02:11 AM

Lmfao Argyll! You shouldn't have said a word at all dude

Splinter26

07-23-2003, 02:55 AM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/653hsdpu.asp

IT CAME AS A SURPRISE to many when the U.S. postwar plans for Iraq were finally revealed. Like Gaul, Iraq would be divided into three parts: an American zone, a British zone, and a Polish zone. But what role did Poland play during the war? It turns out a very important one--albeit one that was kept mostly secret.

One of the primary objectives during the early stages of Operation Iraqi Freedom was the port at Umm Qasr. Without it, delivering adequate humanitarian aid to the rest of Iraq would have been nearly impossible for the coalition. Not long after the start of the war, the port was secured--in large part thanks to GROM, Poland's elite commandos.

Who even knew Poland had special forces? For a while, not many. The Polish government waited three years before publicly disclosing GROM's existence. Standing for Grupa Reagowania Operacyjno Mobilnego (Operational Mobile Response Group), the name actually stems from a special-forces commander, Gromoslaw Czempinski, who, during the first Gulf War, led a Polish unit into Western Iraq to rescue a group of CIA operatives. One of the other men on that secret mission was Slawomir Petelicki--the father of GROM.

"I had a lot of candidates at first" says the general. "That first team I assembled from people I knew well. They were all in their 30s. Now the age of recruits is about 26." According to Jane's Intelligence Review, "GROM candidates were first subjected to a grueling psychological examination meant to search for confident and innovative soldiers as well as those who, though they might be lacking in physical strength, possessed the rare gift of internal iron will." The candidates then undergo back-breaking training deep in the Carpathian Mountains.

Only 1 to 5 percent of these candidates actually get into GROM. But once they are in, the real training begins: GROM operators practice "killing house" entries (with commanders often serving as hostages), storm hijacked commercial airliners complete with mannequin terrorists and bullet traps, and lead raids onto ships and offshore platforms. All of this is done with live ammunition. The commandos are trained in paramedics and demolitions and many are SCUBA experts. They mostly work in four to six-man assault teams except for the snipers who are separate because, as Petelicki explains, "that is a job for special people and they are very hard to replace."

Radek Sikorski, Poland's former deputy minister of defense and now executive director of the New Atlantic Initiative, recently told me he witnessed the snipers at their best during a training exercise in 1999. "The GROM operators were working alongside the Delta Force and were tasked with rescuing the chairman of the National Bank of Poland. He was being held hostage by terrorists in possession of a nuclear device." Sikorski says the snipers waited for days in complete disguise. "They just followed the terrorists' routines and then started to pick them off one by one."

GROM operators are said to be martial arts experts and capable of "cold killing." "We created our own style of martial arts," says Petelicki. "I have an old friend who is a master of karate and jujitsu and is a sixth degree black belt. He created the style with other specialists--it is most similar to what the Israelis do."

PETELICKI says that GROM is a mixture of the Delta Force, SAS, and the Navy SEALs. "We took what we found best from each group." (GROM trainers have been to Fort Bragg as well as Hereford--home of the SAS.)

For the past twelve years, GROM operators have engaged in numerous operations, including peacekeeping in the Balkans and Haiti. In 1997, they successfully captured Slavko Dokmanovic, aka, "the Butcher of Vukovar" who was held responsible for the murder of 260 Croats. Despite being well-protected by Serb commandos, Dokmanovic was successfully captured alive (his bodyguards didn't fare so well).

Since GROM's creation 12 years ago, only 4 commandos have been killed in operations. I asked General Petelicki if, during those years, there is one mission that stands out. "Although 70 percent of our operations are still top secret, the one operation I liked best was this last one at Umm Qasr. That was definitely my favorite. [He sighs.] I was jealous I could not be there instead of Colonel Polko [the current commander of GROM]. Umm Qasr was a very risky operation--a lot of explosives were used--but there were no casualties for us." He adds, "I liked it because we were able to help our friends, the Americans, who helped us create GROM. It was a real masterpiece."

http://www.allenprather.com/archives/004064.php

Known operations in which GROM took part:

1991 - GROM operators manages to get out six CIA-agents out of Iraq during the "Desert Storm".

1992 - ,,Macierewicz briefcases" affair (escorting duty during political problems in Poland)

1992 - Assault on residence and arrest of one of the bosses of Art B (Another great political and economic scandal)

1992-93 - Actions against Russian Mafia in Poland (details unknown , but the operation was stopped by the Polish authorities, allegdly because of GROM's overzealous approach to the former KGB agents that turned into mob after the Soviet collaps)

1994 - Operation ,,Restore Democracy" on Haiti The unit saw quite a bit of action during the savage riots.

1996 - UNTAES mission in Eastern Slavonia (arrest of Slavko Dokmanowic - they have since manged to arrest at least six more yugoslavian war-criminals)

1996 - Bodyguard duties during US ambassador W.G Walker's mission in Kosovo and Macedonia

1999 - Bodyguard duties during US ambassador W.G Walker's mission in Kosovo and Macedonia. Also they were (inofficially)reported to operate behind Yugoslavian lines to identyfy artillery fire targets etc.

2000 - Unknown mission in Northern Ireland

2001 - Hunt for war criminals in Kosovo

2001 - Recon mission in Afghanistan before the arrival of Polish troops

2002 - Mission in Afghanistan (VIP bodyguarding and base protecting duties)

2002 - Mission in Persian Gulf. At the beginning of September, some GROM members were seen training on US ships near Bahraim coast.

2003 - GROM soldiers take part in anti-Iraq operation

Known operations in which GROM possibly took part:

1994 - Rescue of four Polish engineers taken hostages in Angola

1995 - Rescue of two Polish officers taken hostages and used as live shields by Bosnian Serbs near Sarajevo

1997 - Arrest of Polish prime minister Jozef Oleksy

1998 - Rescue of five Poles taken hostages in Chechnya in the Caucasus.

Splinter26

07-23-2003, 03:54 AM

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/llare/pics/seals_and_polish_sf_3_001.jpg

Argyll

07-23-2003, 04:29 AM

Nice one Splinter!! LOL!
Yeah well 90% of what I said was accurate though :lol:

Splinter26

07-23-2003, 10:50 AM

REMOV

07-23-2003, 04:39 PM

Since GROM's creation 12 years ago, only 4 commandos have been killed in operations.Hmm... AFAIK no-one was killed in action, the four dead GROM members had lost their lifes in some training accidents (i.e. helicopter crash and one in parachute accident).

REMOV

07-23-2003, 05:00 PM

MY RESPECT IS FOR THose COUNTRIES THAT FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM in the PAST who fought real wars that were worth fighting.Hmm... past Polish real wars. In 900s, 1000s, 1100s, 1200s, 1300s, 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, 1900s or maybe 2000s? Hmm... I didn't remember those hundreds of wars we fought, over and over again ;) Real wars for freedom, hmm... Poland always send our men to fight for others freedom. Let's see... Gen. Pulaski and Gen. Kosciuszko in 1700s helped some guys - wanna-be-Americans - with their fight for freedom and independence. And back to Russians, tell me how many times anyone win with them? And for example - the capturing of Moscow? Hitler not succeeded, Napoleon also, and hmm... guess who did it? Twice ;)

Giersik

07-23-2003, 06:47 PM

Greetings Remov, you told the tosser well. And these are really nice photos, would you happen to know some operator?..

=75th=Ranger - could you please explain me, what wars for freedom did Canada and Australia fought in the past? I'd like to tell you about a book, you might have never heard of before - it's called "History"; there are many of this or similiar title, but they all have something in common - they describe past, including wars. Even the freedom wars. Try to read alittle of one of those books, then come back and write about "fighting for freedom in the past".

ESCOBAR

07-23-2003, 07:49 PM

Um.....I have no business about what RANGER said, but Im offended by you to question what wars Canada and Australia have fought, thats freakin ignorance.

Lets see Battle of 1812, Boar WaR,WWI where Canada kicked German ass such as in Vimy Ridge just to name one. WW2 where Canada was in Dieppe, D-DAY, North Africa, Italy, Germany, Holland, Belgium etc. The KOREAN WAR, Canadians also fought in Vietnam, Gulf War 1 and AFghanistan.

I aint Australian so i dunt know much about them but I know they fought in WWI, WWII, KOREAN WAR, VIETNAM(I think), Gulf War, AFghanistan, Gulf War 2.

Man you probaly think Canada has poorly trained troops and that we have nothing in it........ignorance.

Just to let you know.......after WWII and during the 50's Canada had the 5th largest Army in the world and 3rd largest NAVY.

Seiyuuki

07-23-2003, 08:11 PM

.......after WWII and during the 50's Canada had the 5th largest Army in the world and 3rd largest NAVY.

...If Canada still has those kind of number now...couple with the U.S.'s arm forces now...Just imagine, North America would have a very very potent military.

Kitsune

07-23-2003, 08:24 PM

Well, as a German I can just say: We are nothing like the Polish. They have fought for everyones freedom since a thousand years.
We didn't. Since the days of the old germanic tribes we just wanted to conquer, plunder and opress the people around us. We never fought for freedom. We even send troops abroad to prevent others from getting free, like the Hessians that tried to prevent american indepence. (Didn't work...too many English, too few Hessians).
So why should we start now?

And there is a good thing about all this. I mean where would Hollywood's war movies be without us Germans? Or what do you think? Polish as bad guys? :lol:
Even the Imperial Strormtroopers as well as Darth Vaders helmet design were inspired by us. You could at least appreciate this.

p-)

Seiyuuki

07-23-2003, 11:01 PM

ESCOBAR

07-23-2003, 11:35 PM

Seiyuuki, I wish things were like that today in Canada but there not. People in Canada do not really see the value of Freedom and its preservation.....its sad. Im still in high school and once im out im enlisting.

People in Canada tend to focus on education, poverty, equal rights etc. The government puts more money in those branches and few monies into the military. Guess its juss the way things are up here maybe one day it'll change.

Giersik

07-24-2003, 05:42 AM

ESCOBAR: sorry, mate, you got me wrong. I never ment to say, that Canadians and Australians haven't ever gone to some war; the only thing on my mind was that, the've never had to fight for their own freedom. But of course I am aware of the fact, that they took part of many other wars - Aussies in Gallipolli for instance, but, once again, I had wars for own freedom on my mind. Never underestimating countries and people that die for some other country and people.

Kitsune: LOL! High five, man! :o)

Knave

07-24-2003, 06:02 AM

Just to let you know.......after WWII and during the 50's Canada had the 5th largest Army in the world and 3rd largest NAVY.

That was the 50s.

Now, Canada has one of the smallest militaries in NATO, and one of the lowest per-capita military spending of any Western nation - save for Iceland. And they don't have a military.

Our soldiers are overworked and underpaid. Some - not all - of our equipment is in poor shape, and replacements are held up because of politicking at a high level. Meanwhile, soldiers' lives are put at unnecessary risk.

And... Canada's involvement in Vietnam was not official; the government at the time was very much against the War, not unlike Canada's government position during Iraqi Freedom. The participation of Canadians in Vietnam was due entirely from individuals heading south to enlist in the US military. There were a few visits to Canadian universities by US military recruiters, looking for pilots and so on.

In fact, due to the fact that those Canadians in Vietnam did not participate in a "Canadian" war, they were denied veteran's benefits and recognition by the Canadian Legion until quite recently.

Shadow

07-24-2003, 07:17 AM

Giersik

07-24-2003, 08:28 AM

And we don't fancy sh#t eating movies. Be careful with prejudices and stereotipes, Shadow, you Germans are not really on the top recently.

Shadow

07-24-2003, 08:56 AM

Fact : The polish car mafia is very activ in Germany.
Is know that! Belive me! :D

Sundowner

07-24-2003, 09:03 AM

Fact : The polish car mafia is very activ in Germany.
Is know that! Belive me! :D
nah... nobody want your Merc. and BMW anymore... now everybody want Rovers ;)

Kitsune

07-24-2003, 10:29 AM

It may be surprising to some...but in Poland theft (even car theft) is prohibited by the law. It's true.

;)

com.bat

07-24-2003, 11:05 AM

Well, as a German I can just say: We are nothing like the Polish. They have fought for everyones freedom since a thousand years.

,,Polish Soldiers fights for freedom of other Nations, but dies only for Poland'' - gen. S.Maczek (right sund;)

Shadow

07-24-2003, 02:36 PM

Fact : The polish car mafia is very activ in Germany.
Is know that! Belive me! :D
nah... nobody want your Merc. and BMW anymore... now everybody want Rovers ;)

And Porsche?
http://www.autointell.com/sports_cars/porsche/gt-road-100.jpg

Mikolaj

07-24-2003, 06:15 PM

Known operations in which GROM took part:

Well, there is few errors and I would like to comment it.

1992 - "Macierewicz briefcases" affair (escorting duty during political problems in Poland)

In fact GROM soldiers were used as bodyguards in Poland not only in 1992, but later too. It is a big prestige for politician to be guarded by GROM soldiers and they often demand such escort. Well, people dislike most politicians, but they are not so endangered as they think ;)

2000 - Unknown mission in Northern Ireland

Some rumours claims that these missions were only training ones together with SAS teams.

Known operations in which GROM possibly took part:

1997 - Arrest of Polish prime minister Jozef Oleksy

Well...
In December 1995 Lech Walesa lost presidential elections and in attempts to keep some political power started very dirty game. Polish prime minister Jozef Oleksy was accused to be a Soviet spy, but it was not true. He had to resign, but after few months all accuses were withdrawn and he never was arrested.

1998 - Rescue of five Poles taken hostages in Chechnya in the Caucasus.

Polish team worked togheter with Russian agents from FSB - Federal'naya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti (Federal Security Service) and these guys were claimed to be from one of Polish Departments and shown in TV.

HTH

Gruppenfuhrer

07-28-2003, 08:21 AM

Here are so many polish members ..lets write in polish!!!!(i cant write in english very well)

Seraphim

07-28-2003, 08:24 AM

My favorite car...Porsche Carrera GT, too bad I could never afford that 600 thousand dollar car.

Mikolaj

07-28-2003, 08:42 AM

Here are so many polish members...

Well... I'm damn sure that most members are English speaking people and Polish is a little bit difficult to understand for them.

lets write in polish!!!!(i cant write in english very well)

I'm still learning English too and I don't want to see posts written in Italian, German or Greek, because I don't speak these languages or speak poorly.

Gruppenfuhrer

07-28-2003, 11:13 AM

Grom Rulez , but my favourite unit is american 101st paratroopers division. They have tradition!!!( World war two-Bastogne)

dyliaoge

07-28-2003, 11:50 AM

cool !!!I love this.

Jooglae

07-28-2003, 11:58 AM

Grom Rulez , but my favourite unit is american 101st paratroopers division. They have tradition!!!( World war two-Bastogne)

1st Marine Division......101st Air Assault isn't the only one with the tradition.

Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Saipan, Okinawa, Iwo Jima.....

Plus, they're marines!!!! :)

Mikolaj

07-28-2003, 12:21 PM

Grom Rulez, but my favourite unit is american 101st paratroopers division.

Well, IMO both units are excellent but uncomparable :P

They have tradition!!! (World war two-Bastogne)

Screaming Eagles have long tradition - not only Bastogne but also Normandy, Operation "Varsity", Vietnam, Gulf War and others. Don't forget that other units also have tradition - i.e. from certaint point of view GROM has tradition since 1937 when first Polish military paratroop training was made :P

REMOV

07-28-2003, 12:40 PM

Here are so many polish members... and some of them have very disgusting nicknames (passing over the spelling mistake in silence :| ). And... ekhm... not "polish" but Polish, difference is, well, immence.

Shadow

07-28-2003, 12:45 PM

Gruppenführer is written correct.
Do you have ÄÜÖ on a polish keyboard?

Gruppenfuhrer

07-28-2003, 01:38 PM

Well Im watching now Band of Brothers(pl>Kompania Braci), and I must say that this film is wonderful...But the best is Private Ryan.

MORE PICS OF GROM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!:)

Sundowner

07-28-2003, 02:27 PM

Gruppenführer is written correct.
Do you have ÄÜÖ on a polish keyboard?
No, we don't , but we have: ą , ć , ę , ź , ż , ś , ń , ł , ó ;)

Mikolaj

07-28-2003, 03:40 PM

Gruppenführer is written correct.
Do you have ÄÜÖ on a polish keyboard?

Of course we've got - äöü - but it seems that some have no idea about it ;)

Herrmannek

07-28-2003, 04:33 PM

Gruppenführer is written correct.
Do you have ÄÜÖ on a polish keyboard?

Of course we've got - äöü - but it seems that some have no idea about it ;)

Polish highlanders says: "There are 3 trues:
saint true, too true & **** true".

In that way we can write on our keyboard in one(This doesn't take language with no diacritics like english) language without any troubles, in some with small difficulties, or in ~all with large difficulties.

REMOV

07-28-2003, 05:01 PM

In that way we can write on our keyboard in one (...) language without any troublesBut the Germans, may write down their words without diacritics i.e. ä as ae (e.g. Maedchen), ö as oe (eg. koennen) and ü as ue (eg. Fuehrer) it's well-known and formal way. There aren't such possiblities in Polish I'm afraid, and writing without diacritic sometimes leads to many funny mistakes (e.g. a word "kąt" means in Polish "an angle", but without diacritic write in this way "kat" means "a executioner"). And this is only a tip of the iceberg ;)

Herrmannek

07-28-2003, 05:13 PM

Saint true REMOV, saint true....

Gruppenfuhrer

07-29-2003, 02:20 AM

Remov are you in the Army?(Polish of course :))

I was one month ago in the Ukraina (correct?). In Lwów (what is Lwow in english?) There are many uniforms to buy, in the market or in the military shops, eg. Ukrainian complete army uniform costs ~ 80 $. But the best is computer games and hardware! One original(!!) game costs 3 $. Laptop (2GHz 512 ram ) costs 800$.

I have bought a Soviet army furażerka and czapka oficera(prosze o translate bo nie wiem jak)

Mikolaj

07-29-2003, 07:55 AM

In Lwów (what is Lwow in english?)

Lvov

There are many uniforms to buy, in the market or in the military shops, eg. Ukrainian complete army uniform costs ~ 80 $.

Few years ago my friend tried to buy some uniforms in Odessa, but clerk informed him that he can have real problems from customs.

I have bought a Soviet army furażerka

Soviet Army side cap

and czapka oficera

Soviet Army oficer's cap

(prosze o translate bo nie wiem jak)

Albo pisz po polsku, albo po angielsku, bo jak się czyta taki melanż, to język cierpnie :P

Steve Andrews

07-29-2003, 04:24 PM

We have a lot of Polish workers in Jersey at the moment. One night when I was out - and very drunk - I thanked a Polish girl who was working in the chip shop for everything that the Poles did at Monte Cassino.
That's beer for you!!

Mikolaj

07-29-2003, 06:03 PM

One night when I was out - and very drunk - I thanked a Polish girl who was working in the chip shop for everything that the Poles did at Monte Cassino.

I guess that she was really very surprised :D

That's beer for you!!

Cheers!

lekomin

07-30-2003, 05:39 AM

>1991 - GROM operators manages to get out six CIA-agents out of Iraq >during the "Desert Storm".

well.. that is not true. It was the polish military inteligence and surely not GROM, which by that time was only a scratch of AT unit.

>1992 - ,,Macierewicz briefcases" affair (escorting duty during political >problems in Poland)

HUGE operation ;) maybe 10 operators and couple of armoured land rovers. don't mention it

>1992 - Assault on residence and arrest of one of the bosses of Art B >(Another great political and economic scandal)

:) neither big scandal (enron was a big scandal :) nor "an assault" It could have been managed by normal police AT and the use of grom was an overkill mainly for political (=stupid, PR) reasons.

>1992-93 - Actions against Russian Mafia in Poland (details unknown , but the operation was stopped by the Polish authorities, allegdly because of GROM's overzealous approach to the former KGB agents that turned into mob after the Soviet collaps)

I want comment on that except of saying that somebody was taken by UFO and after this semi pleasant experience must have felt ready to invent such crap :)

>1994 - Operation ,,Restore Democracy" on Haiti The unit saw quite a bit of action during the savage riots.

well.. thats true.

>1996 - UNTAES mission in Eastern Slavonia (arrest of Slavko Dokmanowic - they have since manged to arrest at least six more yugoslavian war-criminals)

True.

>1996 - Bodyguard duties during US ambassador W.G Walker's mission in Kosovo and Macedonia

True.

>1999 - Bodyguard duties during US ambassador W.G Walker's mission in Kosovo and Macedonia. Also they were (inofficially)reported to operate behind Yugoslavian lines to identyfy artillery fire targets etc.

couple of facts. NATO artillery havent fired a single shot. It can be presumed that brits and yanks were deep in kosovo especially when it turned out that airpower cannot see through tree cover :P. Secondly there was i think a AFP agency tape, on which a local KLA commander thanked british and polish SF soldiers for their help. That was before KFOR entered the province and one must wonder what soldiers were those :)))

>2000 - Unknown mission in Northern Ireland

strongly doubt it.

2001 - Hunt for war criminals in Kosovo

no idea but possible.

>2001 - Recon mission in Afghanistan before the arrival of Polish troops

>2002 - Mission in Afghanistan (VIP bodyguarding and base protecting duties)

yeah. both AFAIK are true.

>2002 - Mission in Persian Gulf. At the beginning of September, some GROM members were seen training on US ships near Bahraim coast.

that was the GROM's boat troop.

>2003 - GROM soldiers take part in anti-Iraq operation

we hardly know what GROM did in iraq (except for the boat troop in reality probably fewer then 16 people).. we dont know what they did inside iraq... btw. have you seen data about designated targets for airpower? Task Force 20 must have been bloody busy doing their work (SF in western iraq are counted separately)

Known operations in which GROM possibly took part:

>1994 - Rescue of four Polish engineers taken hostages in Angola
no idea. strongly doubt it

>1995 - Rescue of two Polish officers taken hostages and used as live shields by Bosnian Serbs near Sarajevo

GROM planned for the operation but those officers were freed by the serbs with other UN official held hostage at the time. There was no direct action to free them.

>1997 - Arrest of Polish prime minister Jozef Oleksy

UFO again? Oleksy was never arrested and thus i can say that GROM had no involvement with his arrest :)))

>1998 - Rescue of five Poles taken hostages in Chechnya in the Caucasus
b****** :)
take care

Steve Andrews

07-30-2003, 05:40 AM

More than 1000 Polish soldiers are buried in the War Cemetery located on mount Cairo across from the abbey. A white marble obelisk was raised in their remembrance. It bears an inscription which reads: "We, Polish soldiers have given our bodies to Italy, our hearts to Poland and our souls to God for our own freedom and for the freedom of others."

http://touritaly.org/tours/montecassino/jewish-graveyard.jpg

Cpl.Roldan

08-04-2003, 12:54 AM

Chris O`Crooh

08-04-2003, 03:54 AM

Hello friends!!

I`m freshman at that forum, so let me introduce myself. My name is Krzysztof, but English-speaking people can call me Chris. I`m 26 y.o. fan of firearms and camouflage, as well as i`m interested in military planes and SF of the world.

Cpl. Roland: the matter of misunderstanding is that Canadians had never had to fight on Canadian soil for freedom of Canada. Ok, there were wars between England and French in 18th century, there were wars with Indians, there was even war with USA in 1812... but as far I had learned in school, Canada was established in 1867, as a federation of territories.

Nobody says that Canadians had not fought for freedom - but their fight took place in Europe, Asia, Africa. We all know and appreciate the attack at Dieppe, then during D-Day; and we know about Canadian squadrons in RAF. Moreover, Poles and Canadians fought arm-by-arm in France, taking Falaise, and Polish pilots learned to fly in Canadian schools.

But, as everyone knows, Canada was occupied neither by Germans, nor by Japanees, nor by Italians. There were no resistance movement in Canada, and there were no Konzetration Lagers in Ontario or Manitoba. Canadians fougt for freedom of many countries, because they did not want to fight for freedom of Canada - IN Canada.

And that`s why Polish and Australian soldiers, side-by-side with Americans and Brits, fight for freedom of Iraq - IN Iraq.

God bless all of Them.

P.S. I ask Brits, Canadians, Americans, Aussies and Kiwis to correct any mistake I would make due to my English competence.

Cpl.Roldan

08-04-2003, 01:11 PM

Ya your right Chris glad somebody know's something, but you forgot to add what they did in WWI such as in Vimy, the Somme etc.

Chris O`Crooh

08-04-2003, 04:34 PM

Yes, Cpl. Roldan, I also did not write about Korean War, about some Canadians in Vietnam, about combined US-Canadian SF group during WWII... Well, we talk here about GROM and Polish armed forces...

I hope, You and the other Canadian "military morons" will start topic about Canadian SF and army, and I`m quite sure there is many people that would read sth interesting `bout 1st Airborne Regiment, for example... :)

According to Steve`s post... We, Poles, consider Mte Cassino in the same way as you, Americans, especially Marines, consider Iwo Jima... Now you know... Polish soldiers, from mechanized cavalry, and American Marines, gave the same tribute of blood and lives... That we may live in peace...

Wieczne odpoczywanie racz im dać, Panie, a światłość wiekuista niechaj Im świeci...

Ekie

08-05-2003, 10:49 PM

Thanks for sharing the pictures REMOV. Am sure you all ready figured out that poster is a goof ball. There is a gallery now up of joint SEAL and GROM units in Iraq:

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_album.php?set_albumName=Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Navy_SEALs_Polish_Special_Forces_GROM

Ekie

08-05-2003, 10:55 PM

Oh yeah, almost forgot, where are the Beryl rifles?

Chris O`Crooh

08-06-2003, 03:31 PM

Bery rifles... oh,yes, our soldiers took them to Iraq... I`ve heard that they are to bury those junks deep in the desert...

REMOV

08-06-2003, 04:23 PM

I`ve heard that they are to bury those junks deep in the desert...Pardon, what? Have you ever touch kbs Beryl or shoot single bullet from it? It's just a question...

REMOV

08-06-2003, 04:32 PM

Oh yeah, almost forgot, where are the Beryl rifles? GROM like majority of SF Units uses US assault rifles (and a few German and Swiss models) i.e. M4A1. Among other things to simplify logistic for international operations.

Chris O`Crooh

08-13-2003, 02:04 PM

I have never shot with Beryl rifle, but I know it quite good. In my opinion, it would be good gun in the `80 (do you remember those years, fellows?), but it is obsolescent at the moment.

First of all, I think that someone was given a bribe (from whom??) and made the worst selector/safety device ever. Long time ago, there was Polish rifle named Tantal. This rifle was Polish answer for AK-74, but with the stock copied from EGerman`s MPis, with Polish muzzle brake and 1-3-Full Auto selector. SEPARATED from safety... well-know, AK-style lever was saved as safety device, and selector was transfered on the left side of the receiver.

Tantal went into service, but Poland started applying to NATO. Some drawbacks of Tantal were clearly seen, and we had to accept 5,56 mm round, so there was a good moment to do a serious modification of service rifle. The "serious" mods meant the change of stock, applying new handguard and grip, new flash hider... and that`s all... Le Tantal est mort, vive le Beryl.

Stock is much, much better than Tantal`s one, but I think, that it should be covered with plastic tube or rubber foam, to protect from hot (in Afganistan and Iraq) or cold (winter in Poland is sometimes really severe).

I wonder why we did not adapt Beryl to be fed from M-16 magazines. It would help our soldiers that fight or serve arm-by-arm with American, Brits, Canadians, Dutch, Dannish and soldiers from many more countries. It would also increase export chances.

The other thing that is strange, is a sight. The U-notch, slide and ramp, scaled 100-1000 by 100 meters. I would like to know if there is at least one soldier in Poland that can hit the target from 1000 meters. In my opinion, the flip aperture scaled at 200 and 400 meters would be the best, although the main advantage of the notch is the easiness of cleaning after crawling in mud.

And the worst is selector/safety. The same as in Tantal... You are patrolling a hostile terrain, and suddenlu you are under attack... Your gun is on "safe"; with M-16, FNC, G-36, AUG, ..., it`s one move of finger to change mode into "fire", with Beryl, you have to let the grip fall, lower the lever, catch the grip again and then you can fire... unless you are dead... I wonder if we could not imitate at least safety/selector from Galil...

That`s why I consider Beryl as a junk.

I WILL CONTINUE, DON`T ANSWER THIS POST, PLEASE.

robmika

08-13-2003, 03:14 PM

:fork: Canada never fought for its own freedom???

Wake up kids... and you other Canadians on this board should ALL know this...

There is a little nation to the South that tried taking us over... and it was the Militia of Canadians that rose up (in conjunction with the Brits) and drove them back ot the border... and then kept on going...

AFTER BURNING THE WHITE HOUSE to the ground, they returned to the pre war borders...

Now that I have mentioned this... you all can start searching the net for the history on this...

Jeeze.... WAY TOO many people on this board that have NO IDEA of what they are taking about, and do NOT do any research before opening their mouths!!

Trigger

08-13-2003, 04:10 PM

um, thanks for sharing. :roll:

Rantanplan

08-13-2003, 05:20 PM

ROBMIKA is right, the Canadians really kicked some US invader Asses.

But the US revenge two years later war realy Cool too.

Andy Jacksos knocked down a hole Highlander Army at New Orleons only with the help of some scruffy looking Militia Men.

It's such a shame that the War was over at this time ;)

Kitsune

08-13-2003, 08:35 PM

@robmika:

They just wanted to free Canada from the British.

Rantanplan

08-13-2003, 08:59 PM

Realy? Had the Brits any Weapons of massdestruction at this Time? ;)

REMOV

08-14-2003, 02:19 PM

SEPARATED from safety... So what? Do you know where both devices are placed? And the second question - in the battlefield the only safety selector you have is your own finger. It only one fault that you've found? ;)

Tantal went into serviceTantal was used only in small numbers, not on a large scale. Poland in late '80 had problems with the inermediate ammunition (5,45mm) not a rifle.

and that`s all... It's not true. The changes are larger - don't compare 5,45mm Tantal wz.88 with 5,56mm Tantal wz. 90 but the first one with 5,56mm Beryl wz. 96.

Stock is much, much better than Tantal`s one, but I think, that it should be covered with plastic tube or rubber foam, to protect from hot (in Afganistan and Iraq) or cold (winter in Poland is sometimes really severe).Have you ever heard of gloves? ;)

I wonder why we did not adapt Beryl to be fed from M-16 magazines.Simple - because it was connected with large rifle modifications.

The other thing that is strange, is a sight. The U-notch, slide and ramp, scaled 100-1000 by 100 meters. What is strange in it?! The same situation was in AKM sight (0-1000m), and listen - within 50 years - you're the first person surprised by this :lol:

I would like to know if there is at least one soldier in Poland that can hit the target from 1000 meters. It might be used to cover area target not individual. In, well, hypothetical situation ;)

And the worst is selector/safety. The same as in Tantal... You are patrolling a hostile terrain, and suddenlu you are under attack... Your gun is on "safe"Ekhm... excuse me, are you always patrol hostile terrain with gun in safe state? Interesting... :D

That`s why I consider Beryl as a junk.Beacuse of the selector, sight that can be set to 1000m and (like G36 and FA MAS) mags not interchangeable with M16 rifle family? :D You know the author of the article that you selectively and a little bit wrongly quoted has more to say, and his conclusions were slight different. The Beryl has got his own faults but the real ones are different than yours ;)

Herrmannek

08-14-2003, 02:41 PM

I've "touched" Beryl few times but haven't chance to shoot yet ;(. I've noticed that folding stock catch is very hard to operate, if this is general problem or only related to new rifles?

Kitsune

08-15-2003, 08:29 AM

@Rantanplan:

The English used a lot of bagpipes at that time. Does that count?

Rantanplan

08-15-2003, 10:24 AM

Autch! This Point goes to you.

But they still use Bagpipes!

And don't forget Chips and Fish!!!

Isn't it Time to liberate the English People
from this Hannoverian Monarchs!!!

Operation British freedom ;)

Argyll

08-15-2003, 03:38 PM

English using Bagpipes.........what an insult ye sassenach!!!
Try the Scottish for the bagpipes .........it's our national instrument.....I play them!!!

Kitsune

08-15-2003, 04:14 PM

@Argyll&Rantanplan:

So, do we have to classify the Scots as WMD's then ? Well, anyway, THEY are used by the British...

p-)

Rantanplan

08-15-2003, 05:23 PM

Well, let's Nuke Scotland too. I don't care a pap for it. p-)

Kitsune

08-15-2003, 09:30 PM

@Rantanplan

This was just about the question wether it had been OK for the Americans back then to attack Canada because these could use Scottish bagpipers within 45 minutes.

p-)

(Its a shame that there is no smiley with a bagpipe ;) )

Apogeumus

09-03-2003, 03:47 AM

Ranger, maybe you don't now but polish army took important role during WWII. Poles broke Enigma. Something about 141 polish pilots from 302 and 303 polish fighter division were figting in battle of England. Do you know that those words "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few" said by Winston Churchill after Battle of England, were said to polish 303 fighter division? Poles find Penemunde, and capture V2 in Poland. Polish 1panzer division closed boiler at Falais. Poles capture Monte Casino.
Polish soldier during WWII fight for polish and your freedom
- 1939 battle for Poland. We were invided by German and Russia, nobody helped us. We fight 1 month and 5 days (how long France were defending. hea?). We for exemple destroyed about 1000 german tanks.
-1940 battle for Norwegia, capture Narvik
-1940 battle for France
-1940 battle for England
- fights in North Africa (Tobruk for example)
- battle for Atlantic ( hunting for Bismarc for exemple)
- figts in Italy (Monte Casino for example)
- fights on Eastern front (Lenino, Studzianki, Berlin for example)
- polish planes and ship tooke part in operation overlord
- battle for france 1944 (Falaise for example). Polish 1st tankd division, not Canadian or English, killed Michael Wittman
- 1944 Warsaw uprising, 63 days of fight
and many mores

So what Ranger, we don't fights for freedom?

PS: GROM is the best SF on the world!!! :-)
Check my site : www.grom2.prv.pl

Haiw

09-03-2003, 04:08 AM

- battle for france 1944 (Falaise for example). Polish 1st tankd division, not Canadian or English, killed Michael Wittman

michael wittman (and his tank) was taken out by a RAF airplane (a typhoon)...

Apogeumus

09-03-2003, 04:52 AM

michael wittman (and his tank) was taken out by a RAF airplane (a typhoon)...

Ha! It's next example of post war propaganda against polish (because we wera in the eastern block). I've heard that Wittman were killed by canadian, or british tanker. This wersion is new for me :-) But true is that Wittman died in fight with 2 tank regimet of polish 1 tank division (CO gen. Maczek) (8.VIII.1944). This day Poles lost 32 of 36 Sherman. That is true!!

Apogeumus

09-03-2003, 05:54 AM

Wittman was hit 5 times by Poles. Before his death, he destroyed 4 polish tank.

PS: RAF destoyed some takn at Falais, for example .... some polish sherman

TacoDelRio

09-03-2003, 07:34 AM

Actually, yeah. Mike Wittman's Panzer (a PzKw VI Panther Ausf G right?) was knocked out by a British-built Typhoon. I don't know if it was piloted by a Brit, or a Canuck, but who gives a damn? An allied pilot kicked a great leaders ass.

I doubt there is any "propoganda" about it, other than capitalizing on the success of a kill. C'mon, aren't we all allies? :petting:

How many members of this forum are Polish? I feel like I'm in Warsaw or something...

Herrmannek

09-03-2003, 03:15 PM

Just few...I think that no more than...30 :)

Haiw

09-03-2003, 03:32 PM

the thing about the tank being knocked out by shermans was a hoax...the typhoon thing was found out later when they examined the wreckage...btw taking out a tiger with shermans wud seem rather impossible to me, even if it was 5 of em (unless they cud flank or take the tiger behind)

Haiw

09-03-2003, 03:33 PM

Mike Wittman's Panzer (a PzKw VI Panther Ausf G right?)

no thats 2 different tanks...theres the PzKfw VI Tiger (the one wittman used) and the PzKfw V Panther (ausf G mening Ausführung G (as far as i know) meaning something like Model G)

Herrmannek

09-03-2003, 04:07 PM

TacoDelRio

09-03-2003, 05:21 PM

Thanks. I always got the PzKw marks messed up (V, VI, etc.).

seventy6er

09-03-2003, 05:48 PM

We for exemple destroyed about 1000 german tanks.

Ummm - nope.

German losses during campaign against Poland:
10.572 KIA
3404 MIA
30.322 wounded

217 tanks
285 aircraft

Luftwaffe:

Pilots: 189 Tote
Pilots MIA: 224
Pilots woundedt: 126
ground personal: 42 KIA, 24 wounded

AA-units:

48 KIA
10 MIA
74 wounded

Quite low numbers for battles 60 years ago - compared to the large amount of troops and material; for example only 0,69 % of the german soldiers died in that campaign... (10.572 of 1.516.000 soldiers). Just to clear that up a little bit. I'm not biased cause I'm German, these are numbers you can find on every international homepage that deals with WWII.

PS: GROM is the best SF on the world!!! :-)

Umm - :-) o.k. ;)

Apogeumus

09-04-2003, 04:23 AM

CieńPolski

07-09-2006, 10:52 AM

I have the beret of Roman Polko from his first retirement.. When he was Pułkownik... Here is a photo of his beret along with my Polish paratroopers combat knife..

adlep

07-09-2006, 11:48 AM

I agree with number of planes. I don't know german loses in people, so I can say nothing. Ok, I don't wrote precision, polish didn't destoyed nearly 1000 tanks, but german losses were 997 machine. All german losses were 675 tanks and 319 armored car, I agree that 217 of them was vehicule destroyed during battle. Rest of them were dameged and they had to be out from unit (on short or long time). Apropo propaganda, do you watch Discovery Channel? In almost all movies about Battle of Poland polish cavalary are show as "ancien" unit with sabre "who could do nothing to german tanks". It's not true, polish cavalery was good weaponed to fight with tanks (37 mm AT Bofors cannon, 75mm cannon, Kbk UR - the best AT carabine in WWII). In battle of Mokra first day of Invasion 4Panzer Dizision lost nearly 100 tanks and armored car in fight with Wolynska Cavalery Brigade and polish armored train "Smialy"(my grandfather was fighting there). In this same "historic" movies are said tthat polisch hadn't tanks (or all of them were destoyed on train platform before platform - ,,Blitzkrig" ) or all polish planes were destroyed on airfields. It's all not true. Polish planes were hiden on field airfield, 30% of polish planes were destoyed were destoyed in first day of invasion on airfield, but it was mainly dameged or "ancien" planes. Ok Let's stop with discussion. Is forum about GROM.

POLAND STRONG

Dude, Loose the attitude, really...

And now something in Polish... (Sorry)

<Polish> Apogeumus - Piszesz lekko nie na temat, prosze wroc do tematu GROM. Takze jezeli operujesz liczbami, musisz podac specyficzne zrodla historyczne. W przeciwnym wypadku, to co wypisujesz wyglada nieco smiesznie i niewiarygodnie...
Pozatym, my jako narod, przegralismy Druga Wojne Swatowa. Polscy zolnierze i Politycy w tym okresie zostali totalnie wykorzystani zarowno przez Aliantow jak i przez Rosjan. Wiec mimo tego ze mielismy troche bohaterskich epizodow, caly bilans jest gleboko niekozystny niestety i nie ma z czego byc za bardzo dumnym...
Pozdr, </End of Polish>

Pan_Grzegorz

07-09-2006, 12:15 PM

Quite low numbers for battles 60 years ago - compared to the large amount of troops and material

Germany strong !!!!!!1111

Paiste

07-09-2006, 12:47 PM

it seems like the pics have been removed:-(

Brzeczyszczykiewicz

07-09-2006, 01:40 PM

This thread is three years old! :cantbeli:

playtym

07-12-2006, 06:20 PM

Sorry, but the quality's not great - the best I could do though.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2530/grom011wv.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/633/grom051rt.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/237/grom069cd.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4449/grom076yj.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3880/grom083bv.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6558/grom110kx.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2047/grom134lk.jpg

Royal

07-13-2006, 03:46 AM

This maybe was hoax, but we are very sensitive to "propaganda" of our allies because thru 60 years brits were syaing that they've cracked enigma, under pressure of facts they admited polish participation, plz read that...
http://home.us.net/~encore/Enigma/enigma.html

If you visit Bletchly Park (the centre of British code breaking in WWII - where the film Enigma was set) you'll see that the Poles get full credit for their work on cracking Enigma.

~~~~

08-04-2007, 09:30 PM

a couple new pictures (from different locations) I found recently:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9359/foto01eo2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7938/foto02dz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7564/foto03lw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9770/foto04am4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4917/foto05qd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1599/foto06np1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ravage

08-05-2007, 08:45 AM

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2981/desantbk2.jpg

Cco. 1/160th SOAR(A) with 2305, training in Poland (CAG was present there).

Good post ~~~~, especially the M21.
(noticed You cut the photos a bit)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7564/foto03lw2.jpg

MFF sign ?

Mrufka

08-05-2007, 10:55 AM

More photos from exercises in mountains before departure for A-stan.
Unfortunately, I do not remember source of origin.

Ravage

08-05-2007, 11:04 AM

Those ones are from "Dziennik". Hell I've posted them on Shadow Spear, gues it was Your turn to post them here woot

deagle

08-05-2007, 08:07 PM

i still can't believe i had to wait until pgs 9,10 to see some good pics ,a nd i hope to see more contributions (except from a wannabe RANGER)

jocker_89

08-05-2007, 10:18 PM

http://www.grom.mil.pl/galeria_pliki/GALERIA.HTM

On this page you can see many but little old photos of GROM

Rumcajs

08-06-2007, 12:44 AM

Damn, great photos....thanx

tony6

11-01-2007, 06:40 AM

Probably a repost but I couldn't find these photos among Polish Army related threads: some photos from Polish minister of defence visit in A-stan in September.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9525/afgan1109763aja4.jpg

Gen. Polko (former GROM commander):
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2453/afgan1109629aer2.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/899/afgan1109377fh6.jpg

One of GROM's recon UAVs:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8277/afgan1109204ayv0.jpg

Gen. Polko and Polish MoD (or I should say "former MoD" now):
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1844/afgan1109189pn0.jpg

Former and present GROM commanders:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2312/afgan1109171dw8.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8636/afgan1109018amb1.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9978/afgan818alr2.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9932/afgan529pg9.jpg

The whole article:

http://www.bbn.gov.pl/index.php?lin=2&idtext=1065&gal=1

-Julik- 4.GdKp

11-01-2007, 08:15 AM

They are well equiped!Thx for the pics!

ludzikuff

11-01-2007, 05:47 PM

So! THUNDERS uses ukm-2000. Well well well, I would never thought they have chosen them. It's interesting - I thought there was some problems with those rifles after conversion to NATO ammunition. And now this photo - maybe it's old model with old ammunition. I now it's controverisal but it's posible. After all they don't waste much ammunition;) So backing to point, it's good for this rifle it was appreciate. After all appreciate over M240 or HK21.
Good. They become more Poland nor USofA unit.

rhino

11-01-2007, 05:55 PM

I see the general is expecting to assist in few arrestsp-)

Switek

11-01-2007, 06:01 PM

Rather winnig hearts and minds mission... read: distribution of sweets among Afghan kids.

rhino

11-01-2007, 06:03 PM

Rather winnig hearts and minds mission... read: distribution of sweets among Afghan kids.

on his vest, in the pic, he's got a bunch of zap straps, I dont think its for flying kitesp-)

Switek

11-01-2007, 06:06 PM

on his vest, in the pic, he's got a bunch of zap straps, I dont think its for flying kitesp-)

at first glance I can assure he could keep about 6 kg of candies there ...

-Max2-

11-01-2007, 08:29 PM

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2312/afgan1109171dw8.jpg

FN F2000 in use with GROM, interesting... :)

Ravage

11-02-2007, 01:44 AM

tony6

11-02-2007, 03:18 AM

FN F2000 in use with GROM, interesting... :)
I assume they bought few pieces for testing. I haven't seen any other pictures of this rifle being in use.

Mrufka

11-02-2007, 07:00 AM

Just to compare the size
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/217/358lh3.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=358lh3.jpg)

Morris

11-02-2007, 07:56 AM

Good pictures.

Btw. Am I the only one that sees Multicam in the new pics? Or did I miss something?

ludzikuff

11-02-2007, 04:45 PM

Dude, don't mix Polish and English please.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2981/desantbk2.jpg

Cco. 1/160th SOAR(A) with 2305, training in Poland (CAG was present there).

When was this photo made, Revage? Or any more infos about that visit (in Poland i think) ?

Ravage

11-02-2007, 06:30 PM

I gues it was made when Delta came to cross train with 2305. At least our boys had a chance to fly with the worlds best helicpoter unit.

Duydin

11-02-2007, 09:48 PM

that's just not right.

Dude don't worry, he's dreaming only.:):)

daily666

11-03-2007, 06:37 AM

Dude don't worry, he's dreaming only.:):)

You quoted a post from 4 years ago :bash:

manchovie

11-05-2007, 12:37 AM

a couple new pictures (from different locations) I found recently:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9359/foto01eo2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

can anyone tell me more about this? are grom snipers training with m14's or am i under the wrong impression?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31973&d=1186325036

what is that crazy gun the soldier on the left is carrying?

Ravage

11-05-2007, 02:18 AM

Iconic rifle, what's to ask about ? p-)

jocker_89

11-06-2007, 03:00 PM

I have hope this isn't repost

http://youtube.com/watch?v=00eD5P2IckQ

Made by LSI26

Ravage

11-06-2007, 04:37 PM

nevermind, not worth it

Yankee_Delta

01-03-2008, 10:25 AM

for some reason i cant get the pics, any suggestions?

~~~~

01-03-2008, 10:35 AM

for some reason i cant get the pics, any suggestions?

open your eyes wider

YANKEEBOBB

01-03-2008, 12:05 PM

for some reason i cant get the pics, any suggestions?

Is your computer ON? :cantbeli:Yeah, I know F*ckin' smartasses! rofl

marlowe

04-13-2008, 02:42 AM

New GROM equipment shown during the visit of Admiral Eric T. Olson in Warsaw:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6578/grom010151gq7.jpg
FN P90 TR

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2397/grom020149os6.jpg
FN F2000

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1698/grom030184alp8.jpg
HK416D10RS with ELCAN SpecterDR (SU-230/PVS) and Laser Devices DBAL-A2 (AN/PEQ-15A)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1635/grom040189do9.jpg
HK416D145RS with AG-HK416(ELM) and EOTech HWS.553 (SU-231/PEQ) and DBAL-A2 (AN/PEQ-15A)

HK416 will be the new standard assault rifle in GROM

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6449/grom050181yf9.jpg
M107 and 60 mm LM-60K mortar

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8379/grom060133nh0.jpg
Carl Gustav M3

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9885/grom033ny3.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/130/grom044sn7.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1614/grom055om3.jpg
AN/PVS-21

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7877/grom00mf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1249/grom088ok2.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3880/grom077lz4.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7167/grom111og8.jpg

photos: http://www.altair.com.pl/

mikec62001

04-13-2008, 11:29 AM

tony6

04-13-2008, 11:40 AM

....

04-13-2008, 10:09 PM

GROM has always been a different story.
The unit has it's own budget and buys the equipment on it's own.
NATO membership had no impact on that.

The most interesting part of the article is fact that Polish Special Forces Command officers will be trained in US at operational-strategic level which should raise their level of commanding skills and special operations planning in Poland. Also US SOCOM will participate in Polish Special Forces development plan.

http://www.altair.com.pl/cz-art-1660

Tony, I'm sorry, stupid question, not trying to hijack the thread, but do you know if 1 PSK and Formoza are proposed to get new gear, weapons, vehicles, electronics, anytime soon? I would think so since you guys have a SOCOM like formation now. Thanks.

eques

04-13-2008, 11:20 PM

I would think so since you guys have a SOCOM like formation now. Thanks.
This "SOCOM like formation" is treated by politicians like a toy, previous minister of defense moved it from Bydgoszcz to Warsaw few days before leaving the ministry, just after his party lost the election, without any good reason (there are some political and personal reasons, but explaining his dislikes is too complicated). Current government is planning to move it again, but they can't decide where. As a result Special Forces Command can't work as it should, because they have only few tiny rooms without sufficient communication equipment.

tony6

04-14-2008, 01:04 AM

Well, the beginning is always hard. The fact that they created a SOCOM at all was a big mental breakthrough in Polish Amry.

....:
Formoza has already got some new weapons: their primary weapon is now G36. As for 1st PSK there were no decisions yet (they still use Beryls and other Polish made guns).
Maybe now since Special Forces have their own budget and command something will change in this matter.

~~~~

04-14-2008, 05:27 AM

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3880/grom077lz4.jpg

huhuh, I've seen this Hilux in Warsaw just a couple of days ago. it made me laugh at how it is pimped out. now I know why it is...

Abbadon the Despoiler

04-14-2008, 05:50 AM

really nice!
i wish Czech SF, or better yet whole army, had more money to spend. Czech goverment suck ass ...

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1635/grom040189do9.jpg

daily666

04-14-2008, 07:36 AM

really nice!
i wish Czech SF, or better yet whole army, had more money to spend. Czech goverment suck ass ...

This is exactly what we say about ours... p-)

-Max2-

04-14-2008, 07:38 AM

Holy sh*t, GROM has some nice toys.

~~~~

04-14-2008, 12:47 PM

I've noticed that GROM seems to have an impressive array of modern weapons and equipment pretty much on the par with richer countries such as the US and UK Spec Ops Forces.

Question - Have the Polish goverment always had this money for it's military or has this got any link to Poland becoming part of NATO or the EU and thus have more cash available or is there another reason for how GROM can purchase state of the art weapons and kit?

such equipment is affordable in that small quantity for every single country.
GROM is supposed to have only around 300 operators. it's not a big deal for a country like Poland to buy 300 HK416s

....

04-14-2008, 07:17 PM

K, thanks guys.

Smok

04-15-2008, 06:08 PM

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3880/grom077lz4.jpg

huhuh, I've seen this Hilux in Warsaw just a couple of days ago. it made me laugh at how it is pimped out. now I know why it is...

I saw a column of 2 or 3 cars like this one in Wroclaw. Probably they were driving to the airport and than to Iraq or Afghanistan.

~~~~

04-24-2008, 12:05 PM

close protection duties in Afghanistan:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9277/picture4ef5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

NoDoze-29

04-24-2008, 06:25 PM

http://www.centuriontraininggroup.org/site/images/stories/defender_project/richards_grom_motivationalposter.jpg

Juszi

04-24-2008, 07:15 PM

Should be "doesn't it?", you made a mistake. ;)

mikec62001

04-24-2008, 08:06 PM

close protection duties in Afghanistan:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9277/picture4ef5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that an M4 Carbine he's carrying?

NoDoze-29

04-24-2008, 08:20 PM

If it was grammatically correct, it would be "doesn't". However, I was going for more slang vernacular. Like saying "Do this mean what I think" as opposed to "Does this...", or 'gonna' instead of 'going to'. Nice though that the first comment is about a perceived mistake instead of constructive criticism on the artwork itself...still, I guess if you're not familiar with American slang or incorrect syntax used for emphasis, it would kinda stand out, wouldn't it? Probably a lesson learned there for future efforts...stick to proper grammar & syntax. Anyway, it's my little homage to some high speed operators (from what I've been able to see, anyway).

Edit: JFR, not being pissy there, I can see the misunderstanding and will take the possibility of same under advisement in the future. Figured I ought to make it clear that I wasn't overreacting to your comment Juszi!

muttbutt

04-24-2008, 09:20 PM

Is that an M4 Carbine he's carrying?
It's a HK416 isn't it?

~~~~

04-24-2008, 11:41 PM

It's a HK416 isn't it?

it is. .

mikec62001

04-25-2008, 04:31 AM

Cheers Guys

Nephilim

05-24-2008, 05:18 AM

http://www.centuriontraininggroup.org/site/images/stories/defender_project/richards_grom_motivationalposter.jpg
if you want to make fun of that, at least get the spelling right......
its pure FAIL.

NoDoze-29

05-31-2008, 07:10 PM

http://www.centuriontraininggroup.or...onalposter.jpg (http://www.centuriontraininggroup.org/site/images/stories/defender_project/richards_grom_motivationalposter.jpg)
if you want to make fun of that, at least get the spelling right......
its pure FAIL.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. I wasn't making fun of GROM, I was paying tribute to them. If you're talking about the don't/doesn't thing, we already covered that.

Nikodem

06-29-2008, 05:22 PM

What vests/plate carriers GROM operators use? It's hard (for me) to tell from the pictures, and it's even harder to find some more photos/info that would be fresh.

Pro-Tec

07-01-2008, 03:55 AM

NFM Grizzly
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7796/p1040283ti6ne2.jpghttp://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4861/p1010011le2.jpg

JanySport MOSS 25
http://grom.mil.pl/galeria_pliki/Irak_pliki/Kaska.jpg

JanySport KSW
http://www.wp.mil.pl/galeria/517/zdjecie_517_6426.jpg

Nikodem

07-01-2008, 04:32 AM

And I guess, that all of them are not obtainable by a civilian with not-so-huge budget? (I know, that this is not a good topic to ask that, but I don't wan to create other topics)

Pro-Tec

07-01-2008, 04:45 AM

You can't buy any GROM vest - but Grizzly is very similar to RAV :)

M90_FFS

07-23-2008, 09:42 AM

yes you can buy JanySport wests and MIWO stuff. or otherwise you need conections. but i dont remember the name of the store.

Switek

11-19-2008, 07:36 AM

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2830/z5963028xhz1.jpg

Picture taken on September 2008 during exercises Anakonda 08 in Ustka (Poland).

Mrufka

11-19-2008, 04:58 PM

0,05 sek before p-)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5169/08925160qh8.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08925160qh8.jpg)http://img221.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

ludzikuff

01-27-2009, 06:41 PM

Enjoy...

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9170/65282138ox9.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/813/24531141jl5.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5636/55129890hu4.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9837/64035165gh7.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2729/48938817dx1.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7724/20410361ue3.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8193/92676428ca5.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9004/89504551wh6.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5997/63858938jz1.jpg

Ravage

01-28-2009, 06:22 AM

Enjoy...

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9170/65282138ox9.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/813/24531141jl5.jpg

Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase: "no mater what you do, as long as you look COOL doing it" p-)

Argyll

01-28-2009, 06:35 AM

Hi Res? good pics mate

Switek

01-28-2009, 06:42 AM

Hi Res? good pics mate

I'm afraid no hires available...

here is direct link to the source:

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/5,80829,6207230,Cwiczymy__cwiczymy___.html

tactical73

01-28-2009, 09:03 AM

wow ,very nice pics ,good job;-)

mack pl

01-28-2009, 09:52 AM

Enjoy...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/813/24531141jl5.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9837/64035165gh7.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8193/92676428ca5.jpg

What kind of rifle is it? HK416/SR16/SR25/M4 with long barrel?

manchovie

01-28-2009, 11:04 AM

my guess is one of their bushmaster m4's (based on the yhm ff ras and vert grip and 6-pos stock) with a longer barrel and low profile gas block.

fantastic pics!

IDF_TANKER

01-28-2009, 11:08 AM

The guys look fantastic. Could be easily mistaken for Deltas etc (I hope I don't offend anybody :)).

kinney_bmx

01-28-2009, 11:32 AM

What kind of rifle is it? HK416/SR16/SR25/M4 with long barrel?
Unless my eyes are bad this morning it looks like it has a 16 inch barrel

Ravage

01-28-2009, 11:41 AM

What kind of rifle is it? HK416/SR16/SR25/M4 with long barrel?

You didn't have to quote every ****ing pic you know :cantbeli:

my guess is one of their bushmaster m4's (based on the yhm ff ras and vert grip and 6-pos stock) with a longer barrel and low profile gas block.

Don't guess.

Argyll

01-28-2009, 11:56 AM

Ravage, that's a very condescending attitude you're displaying, calm down son, I know you mean well!!

Terabyte

01-28-2009, 12:01 PM

Great photos! Thnx for sharing! Are GROM Army? or Navy?

Ravage

01-28-2009, 12:08 PM

Ravage, that's a very condescending attitude you're displaying, calm down son, I know you mean well!!

Roger, I'll go lie down and think about my actions.

Switek

01-28-2009, 12:16 PM

great photos! Thnx for sharing! Are grom army? Or navy?

socom

12345678

mack pl

01-28-2009, 01:02 PM

You didn't have to quote every ****ing pic you know :cantbeli:

chill down kid, I quoted them to make my question clear, not to pissed you off....:petting:

BTW

You are allowed to quote 2 pics, but when I quoted 3 of the whole set you jumped on me....I love you Ravage:)

mack pl

01-28-2009, 01:04 PM

editedxxxxxxxxxx

~~~~

01-29-2009, 11:57 AM

Enjoy...
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2729/48938817dx1.jpg

is it me or one of the guys has this sign on his helmet?

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4842/polskawalczacavz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mack pl

01-29-2009, 01:25 PM

is it me or one of the guys has this sign on his helmet?

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4842/polskawalczacavz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Possible, I have seen similar thing on arm patch used by one of the ambasador Pietrzyk bodyguard(from GROM).

btw

good eye

peter.pl

01-29-2009, 01:27 PM

Poland Fighting, he is patriot :)

ludzikuff

01-29-2009, 02:22 PM

is it me or one of the guys has this sign on his helmet?

You're just grate. I have to say that. I've been watching for half an hour on this mark and maybe I wanted to see too hard some skull on there, maybe it's my lcd but now it's so simple :cantbeli:. Thanks. Besides, cool painting, in good taste.

peter.pl

01-30-2009, 11:12 AM

ludzikuff (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=43190) next time just use IrfanView or even paint :) we have XXI century, don't use eyes just use technology and zoom photo ;)

mack pl

01-30-2009, 05:22 PM

Possible, I have seen similar thing on arm patch used by one of the ambasador Pietrzyk bodyguard(from GROM).

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/10,88721,5039475,5_lat_misji_w_Iraku.html

1:17 sec

Ravage

01-30-2009, 05:41 PM

God I hope the Iraqis forgot that CCCP 'kate' thing.

rhino

01-30-2009, 08:56 PM

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/10,88721,5039475,5_lat_misji_w_Iraku.html

1:17 sec

holy moses man, you got a good eye, that thing flushes for less then a second:)

manchovie

01-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Don't guess.

it's good to be skeptical on the internet, but please don't be a jerk about it. here's some evidence to back up my "guess":
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9837/64035165gh7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/choved/afgan1109377fh6.jpg

here we see a very similar rail unit (not positive about model but both are yhm rails which are also sold by bushmaster).

the six position stock is included with the bushies they picked up and not with the sr-16s

same bushmaster/yhm vert grip

http://www.grom.mil.pl/uzbrojenie_pliki/BushmasterM4.jpg

different ras, but shows the bushmaster supplied accessories present on the gun. it's probable that it's this same rifle but with a different barrel.

mack pl

01-31-2009, 05:23 AM

holy moses man, you got a good eye, that thing flushes for less then a second:)

Haha, I am blind like a bat. I have seen this movie on different forum, with comment about Polska Walczaca patch.

Mrufka

02-09-2009, 06:17 PM

Some older GROM pics at http://www.wojskaspecjalne.mil.pl/53,open,11-grom.html?ln=en

Jass

02-09-2009, 07:24 PM

In basic training we learned every weight you ad to the front of the weapon efect your shot.. my instructors should have seen this baby.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1635/grom040189do9.jpg

Switek

08-02-2009, 06:37 AM

"GROM the true story" (http://www.onet.tv/grom-prawdziwa-historia,5345069,5,klip.html)

Nice footage, unfortunately only in Polish :(

Stormz_STA

08-02-2009, 11:43 AM

"GROM the true story" (http://www.onet.tv/grom-prawdziwa-historia,5345069,5,klip.html)

Nice footage, unfortunately only in Polish :(

Thnx Switek, I've been looking for it for a while.

zapatero

08-02-2009, 02:56 PM

Awesome find Switek. Thx for sharing.

Mrufka

10-01-2009, 03:34 PM

GROM member warrants officer Ewa B. (41) died September 21 in hospital in Warsaw.
She came back from Afganistan at the end of March 2009, felt worse and worse and lost weight continually.
Conducted after tour of duty medical tests did not show nothing disturbing.
She end up in hospital in July.
Woman passed four operations, which did not improve her state of health.
RIP

lupus

10-01-2009, 03:40 PM

Sad news. Wieczne odpoczywanie...

W Gdyni w "Tropikanie" niestety bywa sporo takich przypadków. Ameby, bakterie i inne gnójstwa z innych klimatów niż nasze zbierają swoje żniwo.

Wieczne odpoczywanie...
RIP

W Gdyni w "Tropikanie" niestety bywa sporo takich przypadków. Ameby, bakterie i inne gnójstwa z innych klimatów niż nasze zbierają swoje żniwo.
There is a Hospital in Gdynia (city in North of Poland) specializing in field of "Tropical disises" where sadly such cases are not so rare (mostly non military). Amoebas, bacterias and other are getting it's harvests.
(hope its understandable 'cose my English)

wodnyfilar

10-01-2009, 03:42 PM

Smok

10-02-2009, 08:04 AM

In english, please...

There are more accidents like this in Tropicana in Gdynia (specialistic hospital of tropical illness). Amoebas, bacteria, and other sh!t from different climates make this.

Mrufka

01-05-2010, 07:00 AM

Mass poisoning touched soldiers 29 December 2009 year.
Crisis in individual came after dinner in military canteen. – This was in horseradish sauce, in our jargon the art of meat called with sole – one of soldiers said to "Rzeczpospolita".

Source (in Polish) http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1636630,0,1,niestrawnosc-spadla-na-zolnierzy-jak-grom,wiadomosc.html

daily666

01-05-2010, 08:20 AM

The article says that one civilian catering company completely defeated the whole GROM unit. There goes the OMFG super uber SF, anti-terrorist unit...

not funny.

zapatero

01-05-2010, 12:34 PM

Oh yes, the fatal horseradish souce. They should pic KFC instead.

StarskiPL

02-25-2010, 04:36 PM

[QUOTE=Pro-Tec;3357334]NFM Grizzly
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7796/p1040283ti6ne2.jpghttp://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4861/p1010011le2.jpg

BTW - I saw this man on the street of Warsaw. It was the first and last (at least for now) GROM demonstration.

Big Mo

02-25-2010, 04:40 PM

BTW - I saw this man on the street of Warsaw. It was the first and last (at least for now) GROM demonstration.

so to say like FBI HRT or GSG9

StarskiPL

02-26-2010, 03:59 AM

No Big Mo, I was wrong, it is actually GROM operator. CBS looks very alike but this is not a CBS member.

OG.d.R. Timmy

04-11-2010, 11:08 AM

Does GROM complete changed there uniform from PENTERA Pattern to SUEZ Pattern (a copy of MultiCam)? Or are they still using both?

Switek

04-11-2010, 11:24 AM

Does GROM complete changed there uniform from PENTERA Pattern to SUEZ Pattern (a copy of MultiCam)? Or are they still using both?

Pantera is an official camo of all Polish Armed Forces field uniforms... so GROM as well. Suez and other patterns are used as training overalls ;)

corran.pl

04-11-2010, 11:38 AM

GROM is SOF unit, operators can use all kind of patterns depending on situation.

Pantera and Desert Pantera are the ONLY official patterns of polish armed forces, this includes SOF.

OG.d.R. Timmy

04-11-2010, 07:26 PM

Thx Guys, i like this answear. Make it easier for me. :)

www.miwo-military.com
(http://www.camostore.de/advanced_search_result.php?XTCsid=3jdq4m55o8plt6cmcnqob0jiu0&keywords=polnisch&x=0&y=0)

Stormz_STA

05-03-2010, 05:41 AM

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/585/gromtavor.jpg

GROM soldier testing israeli X95

source:
http://www.altair.com.pl/cz-art-2871

a bit off-topic (couldn't find the proper thread about polish police/LEO) but here are pictures of polish border guard testing various israeli weapons, including X95
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5593/sguzi.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9703/sgtavor1.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8325/sgtavor.jpg

source:
http://www.altair.com.pl/cz-art-2871
http://www.altair.com.pl/start-4408

Th3Rul!ng@sS

05-03-2010, 05:51 AM

Nice thread guys! (subscribed)

marc83

05-19-2010, 01:01 PM

sorry for the quality of the last ones, my scan must be probably 10 years old :lol:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM1.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM2.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM3.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM4.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM5.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM7.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM8.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM9.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM10.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM11.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM12.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM13.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM14.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM15.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM16.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM19.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM20.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM21.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM23.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM25.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM28.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM29.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM30.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM31.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM32.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM33.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM34.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM35.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM36.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM37.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM38.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM40.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM42.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM43.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM44.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/GRROM45.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/RZgromscan1.jpg
GROM & Formoza Combat Divers just captures Iraki Saillors

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/RZgromscan2.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/RZgromscan4.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/marcuscov/Poland/GROM/RZgromscan3.jpg
March 2003 GROM Commandos, Formoza Divers, Navy SEALS and British SBS captured the Iraki Oum Sar port