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Fage
02-18-2009, 02:33 PM
15 Feb 2009, 0355 hrs IST, Debasish Roy, ET Bureau

There are two ways of looking at it. The Union government in India has banned all toys being manufactured in India for any import to India. We may talk about the supposed reasons later but can we ask two simple questions. What about people in India who were importing from factories owned by companies in the United Kingdom, Italy, France or the United States but stationed in China to save costs?

These factories always followed international safety norms and should be relied upon when making a bulk import. Two, is it more safe or less safe to import toys which have been imported by companies in Vietnam (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=1#), Thailand or Indonesia from the same factories in China that the government is trying to ban? Does this make any sense?

Currently, the ban on Chinese toys has happened from January 25 for a 6-month period. Is this ban with a view to safeguard domestic industry? If so, then why only six months? Is there any other hidden agenda at some end, which we have not been able to find out in having a six-month ban? Will someone's goose be cooked and eaten by the time these six months are over? We don't know.

We all agree that other than basic teddy bears, there is no comparable product available in India that was imported from China, of the design and product quality required.

Toys have categories, such as plastic toys, dolls, plush toys, toys of educational nature, garden toys etc. Toys could be categorized in many ways. The first which is obvious to the buyer is in terms of price. So you have radio-controlled cars and planes worth Rs 50,000 each to basic and static plastic toys worth Rs 50, attractive only for their shape and colour and maybe for the thing they represent.

Now we wonder, was the ban only for keeping out toxic products from China. Well, if that was indeed the reason, most companies in India who make toys import the plush fabric or other stuff from China and uses them in their own factories here. The same filling is used by other industries such as furnishings such as sofas etc. It is also used by companies making quilts and blankets, which kids nibble while asleep and lie in throughout the night when they are most vulnerable.

Well, we would like to believe that our government has more intelligence than that and discount the fact that everything about the ban was done in an ad-hoc and slip-shod manner.

So this begs the questions : Why have a blanket ban? Why not implement rules that are already in place with regards to safety standards?

For one thing, the United States, the United Kingdom (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=1#) and the European Union already have safety guidelines in place for each category of toy. These same guidelines are actually in place at our port and air customs as well, which requires certain tests to be carried out on the import of a toy.

So won't it be more just and equitable for the government to make sure that the government departments such as the Customs carry out these rules? These rules are good enough for citizens of advanced countries; they can be applied to imports to India as well.

Banning is not the answer. These goods cannot be replaced with goods from the Indian market, as comparable products are just not available.

THE ARCHIES PERSPECTIVE

We at Archies import all our plush toys through official channels, after choosing and evaluating them ourselves . We do not sell items bought in the open market in India (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=2#). These usually include goods which have been brought into India under various misrepresentations and falsification of documents . All the items imported by us have our labels, which are stitched onto the toys using our brand name. In addition these items are also tagged with price details and our complete address and contact numbers mentioned on them. Therefore, we don't really see how we can deceive or harm our buyers in India if we import from China (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=2#). Just being toys and that too from China cannot be a ground for banning an import.

BRANDS WE IMPORT

In addition to toys under our own brand, we also sell toys under other brands, which are category leaders in the US and the UK. We are exclusive representatives of these brands in India under legal contract. These items are imported by us in two ways.

The goods are either shipped to us directly from the factories in China or Indonesia (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=2#) manufacturing these products for these western brands, or they are shipped to us from warehouses in the USA and UK.

In both these cases, the country of origin on the bill of lading is China, as no one in the USA or UK makes items under these categories. Needless to say, these items conform to the standards prevalent in the USA, the UK and the EU as they have been designed and manufactured for those markets. They even come tagged for those markets stating that they meet the safety norms required in the USA, UK and the EU.

These brands are Gund (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=2#) Inc. (USA), established in 1898; Keel Toys ( U K ) , established in 1947; Russ Berrie, (USA), established in 1964; Me to You, (UK), established in 1987 and Fizzy Moon (UK).

These brands have a combined global retail sale of an excess of $4 billion. Well, needless to remind the reader that as of now even these items are banned. The same is true for the Mattel (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=2#), Hot Wheels, Barbie and all Disney toys as all those are also made in China.

What the current ban, in effect would do, is put a stop to all legitimate imports that are being brought into the country by companies, resulting in a huge loss to the exchequer, while the grey market would continue to flourish. The sad part is that the grey market with no controls over it would be bringing in the very same toxic products that this ban is allegedly trying to control.

Source:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/Financial-Times/A-blanket-ban-of-toys-from-China-serves-no-purpose/articleshow/4130645.cms?curpg=1

Laworkerbee
02-18-2009, 03:15 PM
No offense but I stopped buying Chinese toys for my nieces, I just can't trust your manufacturing and materials in the PRC.

I hope in the future it gets better and more care is taken.

Hispeed1
02-18-2009, 04:21 PM
No offense but I stopped buying Chinese toys for my nieces, I just can't trust your manufacturing and materials in the PRC.
I hope in the future it gets better and more care is taken.

True, but remember LAWB-money talks in China; you got a lead painted train to sell? No problem! Baby formula with melamine? No problem! Toothpaste made with diethylene glycol? Hooray! They just pay whomever to get things done.

Hippie Homer
02-18-2009, 07:07 PM
I know buying cheap things saves money but I rather buy something expensive than buying something cheap that will kill my kids.

LineDoggie
02-18-2009, 08:07 PM
Helps My Nephews and Neices from Getting:

A- Lead Poisoning

B- Melamine Poisoning

C- Poisoning from chemical to be named later

If it's a Choice between those Kids and Helping the PRC's factorys

You Lose....

Captain China
02-18-2009, 11:04 PM
No offense but I stopped buying Chinese toys for my nieces, I just can't trust your manufacturing and materials in the PRC.

I hope in the future it gets better and more care is taken.
Neither do I, I worked as a quality supervisor years ago, and I really don't want to talk that experience anymore, so I gave my nephew all kinds of wargames downloaded or ordered from Ebay as gifts for new year, forcing him to get some military doctrine studies instead of waste time on online games like WOW
Maybe he will become prfessional general 20 years later, and have a chance to defeat U evil american on battlefieldp-)

And, one more thing, don't be too hard on toxic Chinese toys, poisioned Chinese milk powder. o
Men, I can tell U, my government force us to survive on these staff, guess what's next, we are going to mutant, and become the only group of people who could survive after the nuclear war.
Yeah, this is PRC government's conspiracy. it's time for U american to take action, make our next generation mutant together, then they can fight war on the nuclear wasteland after they get out of those damn vaults.
LOL

TheMiddlePath
02-19-2009, 12:40 AM
Helps My Nephews and Neices from Getting:

A- Lead Poisoning

B- Melamine Poisoning

C- Poisoning from chemical to be named later

If it's a Choice between those Kids and Helping the PRC's factorys

You Lose....


Better not use your made in China computer anymore. Bye bye.

Walter Sobchak
02-19-2009, 12:51 AM
We better stop buying *** toys made in the PRC. No telling what they will f**k up!

It's the Ambien's fault!!!! Honestly. :oops:

LineDoggie
02-19-2009, 12:51 AM
Better not use your made in China computer anymore. Bye bye.

Athlone, Ireland


So Sorry

And again, what you care? You Maylasian, Remember?

TheMiddlePath
02-19-2009, 12:56 AM
Athlone, Ireland


So Sorry

And again, what you care? You Maylasian, Remember?

Oh...you better stop listening to your ipods. Your ear might turn green.

LineDoggie
02-19-2009, 01:03 AM
Oh...you better stop listening to your ipods. Your ear might turn green. No Ipod, again, So Sorry

TheMiddlePath
02-19-2009, 02:22 AM
No Ipod, again, So Sorry


What ? No ipod, no itouch, no cell phones for your nephews nieces.....so sad.

Laworkerbee
02-19-2009, 02:25 AM
What ? No ipod, no itouch, no cell phones for your nephews nieces.....so sad.

I know I'm a bit drunk right now so I'm just going to come out and say I think your location sucks donkey balls.

Carry on,

Niels
02-19-2009, 02:51 AM
I know buying cheap things saves money but I rather buy something expensive than buying something cheap that will kill my kids.
Controversial philosophy, man.

digrar
02-19-2009, 03:30 AM
Better not use your made in China computer anymore. Bye bye.


What ? No ipod, no itouch, no cell phones for your nephews nieces.....so sad.


We're all adults we know not to lick things. I'll be keeping my nephews safe because they're little enough to not know that licking lead based paint is bad for them.

TheMiddlePath
02-19-2009, 11:44 PM
Rhetoric does not score points. Facts do.

FACTS: BEIJING - U.S.-based toy giant Mattel Inc. issued an extraordinary apology to China on Friday over the recall of Chinese-made toys, taking the blame for design flaws and saying it had recalled more lead-tainted toys than justified.

FACTS: On Friday, Debrowski acknowledged that “vast majority of those products that were recalled were the result of a design flaw in Mattel’s design, not through a manufacturing flaw in China’s manufacturers.”

FACTS: Among the recalled 20.2 million toys, 85% were caused by faulty designs that were either provided by Mattel or met Mattel's design standards. That means Mattel should be the only responsibility holder for this part of the recalls. China companies should be responsible for the other 15% of the toy recalls.

FACTS: Japanese government released some data about food imports in 2006.
The data show that only 0.58% of the food from China could not meet Japanese standards. But 1.31% from US caused safety concerns. 0.62 from EU were substandard.


Action also speaks louder.

China has shutdown plants; factories imposed fines and jail time for all those responsible. Even the Sanla milk company is not spare. Shutdown and bankrupt without as much as a blink.
In addition China has send delegations to US to explain preventive actions. China has invited US reporters and US official to China to see the controls that has been setup.

A crisis is also an opportunity. And China made good use of this opportunity… to be better.

On the other hand. What has US based Toys companies and their CEO done?
Nothing. No Quality Director has been fired. No CEO has been sack. Nobody has taken responsibility. All happy to see China takes all the blame.
In fact these CEOs and Quality Directors probably got their bonus too.



It appeared your congressman has no backbone when it comes to confrontation with your arrogant corporation elite. Preferring to blame everybody else.

LineDoggie
02-20-2009, 12:15 AM
Rhetoric does not score points. Facts do.

Fact: Many Americans will no longer purchase toys made in China, if there is a Chance their Children could be harmed by the Lead Content.

Fact: Many Chinese Toys now come under scrutiny from the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

Fact: Many Chinese Toy Manufacturers had no problem exposing children to a dangerous substance.

Fact: there are Chinese Apologists here on MP.net Excusing the conduct of those unscrupulous manufacturers

TheMiddlePath
02-20-2009, 12:57 AM
Rhetoric does not score points. Facts do.

Fact: Many Americans will no longer purchase toys made in China, if there is a Chance their Children could be harmed by the Lead Content.

Fact: Many Chinese Toys now come under scrutiny from the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

Fact: Many Chinese Toy Manufacturers had no problem exposing children to a dangerous substance.

Fact: there are Chinese Apologists here on MP.net Excusing the conduct of those unscrupulous manufacturers


There are all kind of people in this world. People that will do what ever to make money.

Just like there are Australian that start bush fire just to watch other people houses burn to the ground.

And they do that JUST FOR FUN.

digrar
02-20-2009, 02:46 AM
Don't move the attention elsewhere, stick on the topic. Dodgy toys from China that hurt and kill kids.

Laworkerbee
02-20-2009, 12:03 PM
Don't move the attention elsewhere, stick on the topic. Dodgy toys from China that hurt and kill kids.

Or Chinese toothpaste in Central America that sickens hundreds :|

GNR
02-20-2009, 12:08 PM
Or Chinese toothpaste in Central America that sickens hundreds :|

Or Chinese office chairs that kill people anally.

Hollis
02-20-2009, 12:09 PM
Or Chinese toothpaste in Central America that sickens hundreds :|


Also wasn't there pet food too?

I am getting tired of tools, that just spout the party line regardless of reality and even when they have been proven wrong many times. China needs to become more proactive in consumer protection. China has come a long ways since WWII, but still has a ways to go, especially in areas like consumer protection, environment, freedom of political expression, etc.

A very tiresome fact:

"Fact: there are Chinese Apologists here on MP.net Excusing the conduct of those unscrupulous manufacturers"

Laworkerbee
02-20-2009, 12:49 PM
The Chinese will come around eventually once their markets have matured and the rule of law and not the party becomes the standard, or at least I hope so.

Captain China
03-28-2009, 10:09 PM
Rhetoric does not score points. Facts do.

Fact: Many Americans will no longer purchase toys made in China, if there is a Chance their Children could be harmed by the Lead Content.

Fact: Many Chinese Toys now come under scrutiny from the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

Fact: Many Chinese Toy Manufacturers had no problem exposing children to a dangerous substance.

Fact: there are Chinese Apologists here on MP.net Excusing the conduct of those unscrupulous manufacturers
Another fact is, no one pointed a gun to your head to force you american buying low quality Chinese goods. We also manufactured uncountable high quality goods too, and theorgically, your country have freedom to purchase toys from any country, but why your market only provide you toxic toys?
Blaming Chinese working class? not going to solve the problem.
It's a tragic that both Chinese and United States working class suffered. Don't let those jerk step away, I mean, those Communist party member who have betrayed their idealogist, and those greed Capitalists fat cats.

Connaught Ranger
03-29-2009, 02:57 AM
Another fact is, no one pointed a gun to your head to force you american buying low quality Chinese goods. We also manufactured uncountable high quality goods too, and theorgically, your country have freedom to purchase toys from any country, but why your market only provide you toxic toys?
Blaming Chinese working class? not going to solve the problem.
It's a tragic that both Chinese and United States working class suffered. Don't let those jerk step away, I mean, those Communist party member who have betrayed their idealogist, and those greed Capitalists fat cats.

Chi Com Alert!!!! woot

Blue_0
03-29-2009, 07:08 AM
Another fact is, no one pointed a gun to your head to force you american buying low quality Chinese goods. We also manufactured uncountable high quality goods too, and theorgically, your country have freedom to purchase toys from any country, but why your market only provide you toxic toys?
Blaming Chinese working class? not going to solve the problem.
It's a tragic that both Chinese and United States working class suffered. Don't let those jerk step away, I mean, those Communist party member who have betrayed their idealogist, and those greed Capitalists fat cats.

How could the American executives known there was lead paint before the whole scandal went down? They did not contract for lead paint. That was a substitution to save cost on the Chinese end. How can you blame a US executive or designer for this? Our fault was we didn't test Chinese products with a fine tooth comb. And error in judgement not likely to be repeated again.

-- Bluelight

Bia
03-29-2009, 01:00 PM
One word....

LEGO

/thumbsup

ltrowley
03-29-2009, 01:48 PM
The old man managed to impart just a small shred of wisdom to me. Always buy quality, save for it,'get the good 'un'. You'll appreciate more, it'll do you more good and it'll last you longer.

tea drinker
03-29-2009, 03:54 PM
The old man managed to impart just a small shred of wisdom to me. Always buy quality, save for it,'get the good 'un'. You'll appreciate more, it'll do you more good and it'll last you longer.
He wasn't wrong... especially for an obsessive person like me - I'd really get fed up with poorly designed stuff, and then get depressed that I bought the wrong stuff :)

About the Chinese situation like LAWB I don't buy Chinese products for kids - I knew long ago of quality problems in that region.
Quality costs money, good quality costs, and bad quality too (when people find out that your quality is crap and stop buying it). Perhaps this temporary halt to rampant consumerism will focus some minds on longevity and adaptability of products. My own thoughts are that household goods should go back to being local shop repairable - and upgradeable.

Chinese electronics I accept, I think they are reasonably good in this area. I also accept that some Western companies rabidly focussed on profit, and making an overpriced share seem reasonable, are in some measure to blame.

wildcat
03-29-2009, 04:04 PM
No offense but I stopped buying Chinese toys for my nieces, I just can't trust your manufacturing and materials in the PRC.

I hope in the future it gets better and more care is taken.
so you don't buy them toys anymore? just kidding, it is very hard to find toys not made in china, at target they sell the German brand Schleich, In Germany they are made in Germany, in the USA they are made in china, same brand, a shame because if they were made in germany I would of purchased them.

Bia
03-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Headquarters Billund, Denmark
According to the Lego Group, only eighteen bricks out of every million fail to meet the standard required.

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn437/biaaib/bialeg.jpg

Morboute
03-29-2009, 04:55 PM
strange, there is no uproar about "made in china" toys here. Guess they sold the bad stuff to you guys. p-)

Connaught Ranger
03-29-2009, 05:11 PM
'A blanket ban of toys from China serves no purpose'

I disagree if it saves the life of one child from lead poisoning its a ban worth implementing.

The sooner China sets standards and fully implements them to the fullest,

then they can re-enter the worlds markets and play with the big boys.

Bia
03-29-2009, 05:31 PM
We briefly looked over lead poisoning in school and death is ultra rare... the common concern for decades is in children and infants... it can severely restrict key brain development. Among many other ailments. But still C Ranger... you're correct... no need for even a risk of that.

Captain China
03-29-2009, 10:47 PM
Chi Com Alert!!!! woot
Bah! :bash:Chi Com is going to arrest me for my blasphemy speech, and then send me to Changping(昌平) to dig sand.woot
Since Chi Com became revisionism after "culture revolution", all they concern is how to cooperate with western Capitalists to make money.

especially with their best US friends---- US Republican Party and former President Bush. woot

deagle
03-30-2009, 02:50 AM
the US distributor should ask and check that the manufacturer be held accountable to higher standards

Connaught Ranger
03-30-2009, 04:37 AM
Bah! :bash:Chi Com is going to arrest me for my blasphemy speech, and then send me to Changping(昌平) to dig sand.woot
Since Chi Com became revisionism after "culture revolution", all they concern is how to cooperate with western Capitalists to make money.

especially with their best US friends---- US Republican Party and former President Bush. woot

Obvious attempt @ Chi Com reverse propaganda!!!rofl

Fiber
03-30-2009, 07:06 AM
the US distributor should ask and check that the manufacturer be held accountable to higher standards

I agree. If you ban all Chinese products because some are bad you also kill off the companies who make a decent product. Blame the American company who imports them and sell them on the American market.

Force the importers to test their products before putting them on the market. It might make the toys a bit more expensive, but doesn't your kid have too many toys already?