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Gat0r
02-20-2009, 08:51 PM
By Tom Woods
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=15&discuss=1

So the "stimulus" package, a dagger through the heart of the economy, has passed. The geniuses who govern us, who insist that seizing the produce of the voluntary economy and devoting it to arbitrary projects will make us wealthy, have had their victory.

Much of the debate turned, unfortunately, on how much "pork" was in the bill. This or that spending program was silly or an obvious waste of money, critics said. All too true, of course, but unless we're looking to be hired by the Titanic's Department of Deck Chair Rearrangement, we're missing the point with arguments like this.

The primary fallacy of the tooth-fairy economics at the heart of the stimulus is the very idea that economic health is the product of government spending, which is financed either by borrowing (which leaves private businesses with a smaller share of the pool of savings for them to borrow from), printing money out of thin air, or direct seizure from the population. Whatever government spends the money on is necessarily arbitrary -- government lacks the profit-and-loss feedback mechanism that keeps the private sector from squandering resources and employing factors of production in ways that do not cater to consumer wants. It can seize its resources from the people without their consent, and it makes no difference to government whether or not people actually want or wind up using the things it produces. Meanwhile, the economy loses the goods that would have been produced by the voluntary sector had the government not seized these resources for its own use.

The more sophisticated Keynesians, if that isn't an oxymoron, will come back with the argument that while they really do agree with you in cases when the economy is experiencing "full employment," your point doesn't apply when there are "idle resources." In that case, we can "stimulate" those idle resources into action without drawing resources out of alternative employments. These resources currently have no alternative employments.

Nice try. But whatever projects our wise planners come up with to put these "idle resources" to work will inevitably draw complementary resources away from alternative employments that are more urgently desired than what the government intends to use them for. Resources will unavoidably be drawn from current employments in the attempt to kick-start "idle resources." So the "idle resources" argument doesn't really manage to evade the opportunity-cost problem.

Beyond that, pro-stimulus thinkers show remarkably little curiosity about why the so-called idle resources are idle in the first place. They are idle because of some previous entrepreneurial miscalculation. What might have caused systemic miscalculation of this kind? Could it be the Federal Reserve's manipulation of interest rates, which leads investors to make incorrect assessments of profitability and provokes false economic booms, as F.A. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing in 1974?

Consider a circus that comes to town for a few weeks. A restaurant owner may expand his seating capacity in the false expectation that the circus and the related demand for his food that it brings in its wake will last forever. But when the circus leaves town, he'll find he has "idle resources" on his hands. We should not want to put these idle resources to work. Doing so would only draw labor and other resources away from other sectors of the economy, where they are employed in the satisfaction of real consumer demand. The expansion of the restaurant should not have occurred in the first place. We should want this bubble activity to shrink back down to size, in order that other, non-bubble activities in the economy can be correspondingly strengthened.

In the wake of a previous, unsustainable boom brought about by the central bank's credit expansion, the market economy and its price system, left to their own devices, will adopt another arrangement of resources that employs available factors in the service of producing goods and services that correspond to real consumer demand. During the bust, free individuals interacting within the market nexus sort out which projects and business ventures are healthy and sustainable, and which are bubble activities that cannot survive without a constant artificial increase in the money supply, and cannot (and should not) survive now that reality has reasserted itself.

That's what the market was allowed to do in the long-forgotten depression of 1920-21. Instead of a "fiscal stimulus" package, the government cut its budget. The Fed, for its part, did little. Meanwhile, the economy was allowed to clean out the malinvestments of the false boom of previous years, thereby making a robust recovery possible.

The artificial housing boom made Americans feel wealthier than they really were. As a result, they consumed more than they would have if the Fed-created housing bubble had not distorted their assessments of their net worth. What the economy needs now, therefore, is not "spending" per se. Too much spending and debt caused the initial problem. People bought more house than they could afford, and on the basis of its seemingly incessant appreciation they went out and purchased more consumer goods than they now realize they should have. Americans are in more debt than they can pay back -- credit-card defaults will provoke calls for the next round of bailouts. How can "spending" solve this problem?

Meanwhile, part of the reason the American savings rate has been so low is that for many Americans, saving seemed superfluous: after all, they possessed an asset that (they falsely believed) was guaranteed to appreciate over time. That, after all, is what the experts told them. The dramatic rise in housing prices isn't an unsustainable bubble that has to burst, Fed economists said. It is a sustainable increase based on real factors.

Oops.

We should not want to "stimulate" an economy based on debt and overconsumption back into existence. We should want to restructure it along sustainable lines.

For instance, we're now learning that Starbucks, at least in its one-store-every-ten-feet business model, was a bubble activity. With the housing bubble having burst, people now have a more accurate estimate of their real level of wealth. They're now less likely to buy a $5 cup of coffee -- or, in the case of the ailing Cold Stone Creamery, spend $6 for an ice cream cone. These are resources that need to be freed up so business firms carrying out genuine, non-bubble activities can be strengthened and the recovery accelerated.

In his recent press conference, President Obama cited the case of Japan as if it were evidence for his side of the argument. Exactly the opposite is true. Japan has done everything to itself that our government has done and is threatening to do to us, and with no results. From partial nationalization of its banking system to "stimulus" packages amounting to trillions of yen, from propping up zombie companies and dropping interest rates to zero, they've tried it all.

Naturally, the Keynesian response is that Japan simply didn't spend enough. Oh? Thanks to the misnamed "stimulus" packages that the Japanese government imposed on its hapless people, Japan is the most indebted country in the developed world. So becoming the most indebted country in the developed world -- and that's saying something -- still isn't enough spending for Keynesians?

What would be enough, then? A quadrillion dollars? A googol dollars? Infinity minus one dollars? It'd be interesting to know what "stimulus" figure might make a Keynesian declare, "Now that's too much!"

If there's one silver lining to the crisis, it's that more and more people are figuring out that so-called respectable opinion has been dead wrong, and for a long time. The economics profession, by and large, has embarrassed itself with a Keynesianism so crude it would not satisfy a bright sixth-grader. People trotted out as experts, who failed to see the crisis coming and have no idea how it occurred -- "excessive risk-taking!" they say, in a non-explanation that merely begs the question -- have no idea how to solve it.

This, incidentally, is why I wrote my new book Meltdown, which gives a free-market overview of what caused the problem, where we are now, and how we get out. People are ready to listen to reasonable, previously neglected ideas, especially if the people who hold them managed to predict the current crisis -- as indeed the economists of the Austrian School did. It's up to us to bring them these ideas.

Walter Sobchak
02-20-2009, 09:03 PM
This makes way too much sense! What he missed was the political opportunists of all political stripes who know that bringing back the "good times", or even an illusion of them, will get them votes. Also, the only way to create a truly socialist America is to break the country so badly and create so much chaos as to guarantee that everyone will literally be in the same boat, which will be run by a "benevolent" government, bent on "social justice".

Welcome to Charles ****ens' America!

ZeroZen
02-20-2009, 09:09 PM
Gov't Stimulus "We got the pork, you got the beans"

toad
02-20-2009, 10:02 PM
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Haha...I stacked the deck with with this stimulus for ACORN, and I'm stacking the deck for the next census....It's gonna be run right out of my White House.

The pork and earmarks are there to support my Democratic base, and as a bonus the media seems to be oblivious or they are obtuse. I've got them fawning over me....!

Get ready....47 more months of this....:)

Gat0r
02-20-2009, 11:03 PM
This makes way too much sense! What he missed was the political opportunists of all political stripes who know that bringing back the "good times", or even an illusion of them, will get them votes. Also, the only way to create a truly socialist America is to break the country so badly and create so much chaos as to guarantee that everyone will literally be in the same boat, which will be run by a "benevolent" government, bent on "social justice".

Welcome to Charles ****ens' America!

Indeed its too much common sense for politicians and bureaucrats to comprehend. "You mean we up here in D.C. can't centrally plan for society, that a market is made up of every individual and their daily decisions?"

Walter I believe Dr. Woods addresses the political opportunist as well in his new book "Meltdown", Community Re-Investments Act and so on...

And toad that avatar made me laugh!

Flagg
02-20-2009, 11:53 PM
it's quite similiar to those who went into the water when the Titanic went down.

Those wearing tuxedos froze alongside those in workers overalls....kinda similar today.....rich and poor are neck deep in poop with the exception of the rare few who planned as best as possible for this mess.

Anyone who planned ahead and ensured they had an economic life preserver or lifeboat will be forced to share it.

perdurabo
02-21-2009, 09:58 AM
enojoy your socialism comrades! ;)
Sadly keynesism in politics is popular cause it gets your votes, noone ever won campign saying i will cut spending, cut all social benefits, you lazy btards beter start working and using your brains to plan ahead, thats why democracy sux.

commanding
02-21-2009, 11:29 AM
I was struck by the number of pages of verbage in the bill..they say even though it is "double spaced" etc, that the bill was the size of a phone book..I saw photos of it and it was bigger than that.
It occurs to me, that these elected leaders, maybe should spend their time READING the fvcking bill, rather than debating and attending cocktail hours set up by lobbyists.

Maybe they should read it and vote on the bill two pages at a time.
that should cut down some of the pork (if they were forced to not vote on more than 2 pages at a time.)

commanding
02-21-2009, 11:33 AM
enojoy your socialism comrades! ;)
Sadly keynesism in politics is popular cause it gets your votes, noone ever won campign saying i will cut spending, cut all social benefits, you lazy btards beter start working and using your brains to plan ahead, thats why democracy sux.

Okay Buddy. I know you aren't in the USA, and English is not your first language,. ...but I don't know what "Keynesism" means?

Keynesism in politics?? Huh?

As for socialism and democracy...we are have a certain amount of socialism in governments...it is a matter of degrees (Percentages).

tercio67
02-21-2009, 11:41 AM
Okay Buddy. I know you aren't in the USA, and English is not your first language,. ...but I don't know what "Keynesism" means?

Keynesism in politics?? Huh?

Keynes was an English economist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

I believe he spoke English....:)

Gleipnir
02-21-2009, 11:46 AM
He is referring to Keynesian economics, based on the work of a British economist John Maynard Keynes.
He is probably best known for his book The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money.
Keynesian is becoming quite a bit of a buzz word ever since this economic crisis.

Jeremiah
02-21-2009, 11:48 AM
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vryhpyammoadded
02-21-2009, 12:08 PM
I find this all amazing to watch. Metaphorically speaking, the tight fisted Kulak ants (smart working, fiscally wise), always being wise enough to not fall for the quick risky win, the party propaganda and outright threats of the commissars, who provide the abundance of grain (wealth) for the grasshoppers to flourish and multiply, inevitably become the villain as the wasteful, live for today grasshoppers always manage to consume all the grain and then demand the ants join them in starving to death by devouring the seed grain (savings) or be hung as an example.

What I find even more amazing is how the traditional recourse of the Kulak to overly excessive, harmful grain taxes, hiding it, (tax loopholes and innovation) has been usurped by fiat money. Today the Kulak ant hasn’t a chance as the commissars own all the food storage (the dollar) and can simply take the grain (devaluation) when everyone refuses the taxes and there’s not a damn thing anyone can do to stop them!

It looks to me like the usual breach of trust has occurred with the onus squarely on the wasteful, looting grasshoppers shoulders. They’ve forced the government into a machine of oppression for the Kulak ant to keep the party going by eating the seed grain. They've split the nation in two with ignorance and avarice.

In my opinion, all this attempted looting of my future screams of being UNCONSTITUTIONAL and therefore continued actions stretch my ability to tolerate the grasshopper thin. What the government has been doing fiscally/socially is deeply, culturally, philosophically wrong to the nation and the economy continues to plunge because of it. There is no game they can play to stop it as all faith in their funny money has about run out. In about another 2.6 Trillion or if some nasty unexpected, external event occurs, it will be everyman for himself. Personally, I'm beginning to think that this is the ultimate goal of the government anyway. The nihilistic European Marxist slavery and denial poison is simply rooted too deep into a significant portion of the voting population.

A number of us saw the berg coming, built our rafts, loaded supplies and started rowing years ago. Now we’ve rafted together, taken over the meager local government, economy and stand ready to repel all borders. Hopefully if we can push them back long enough, the traditional event will occur where the left and lefter will devour each other as we try to keep out of the way then come back to kill the weakened survivor and get back to living again.

perdurabo
02-21-2009, 01:09 PM
Okay Buddy. I know you aren't in the USA, and English is not your first language,. ...but I don't know what "Keynesism" means?

Keynesism in politics?? Huh?

As for socialism and democracy...we are have a certain amount of socialism in governments...it is a matter of degrees (Percentages).
Sorry i used Polish term for it, it's theory in macroeconomics. We have basicly 3 big schools A. Keynesian(Keynes and his followers) B. Monetarism (Friedman and rest of his mates from Boston School) C. Austrian (from von Mises and moust notably von Hayek). Keynesians advise spend and spend and spend they are "bible" for all socialist out there...

Walter Sobchak
02-21-2009, 09:27 PM
I was struck by the number of pages of verbage in the bill..they say even though it is "double spaced" etc, that the bill was the size of a phone book..I saw photos of it and it was bigger than that.
It occurs to me, that these elected leaders, maybe should spend their time READING the fvcking bill, rather than debating and attending cocktail hours set up by lobbyists.

Maybe they should read it and vote on the bill two pages at a time.
that should cut down some of the pork (if they were forced to not vote on more than 2 pages at a time.)

That was part of the problem! Remember PeloSSi's statement that without the "stealfromus" bill, 300-million American a month would lose their jobs! That's why she strong-armed the House to vote on it without reading it, and Reid did the same in the Senate. After PeloSSi caught some heat, she promised to post it for a full 48-hours prior to a final vote (yes, two days to digest the entire 1100+ pages), but in reality, it was posted between 9pm-11pm with the full House voting at 2pm the following day!

Obama, Reid and PeloSSi are about "open and transparent" government? Yeah, right.

(Note: Nancy PeloSSi is not affiliated with the NSDAP, the Schutzstaffel or any known WWII re-enactor group.)

commanding
02-21-2009, 10:01 PM
Sorry i used Polish term for it, it's theory in macroeconomics. We have basicly 3 big schools A. Keynesian(Keynes and his followers) B. Monetarism (Friedman and rest of his mates from Boston School) C. Austrian (from von Mises and moust notably von Hayek). Keynesians advise spend and spend and spend they are "bible" for all socialist out there...

Heh, no problem, i know NOTHING about economics, and sounds like you have a good handle on it. I have never heard of this Keyne guy.
And i don't know any Polish either...so you have me beat two ways!

Gleipnir
02-21-2009, 10:07 PM
Sobchak, what does Pelosi have to do with the Schutzstaffel?
(honest question, curious to the allusion)

commanding
02-21-2009, 10:25 PM
Sobchak, what does Pelosi have to do with the Schutzstaffel?
(honest question, curious to the allusion)


the answer is the SS in the way the name is displayed?
PeloSSi

I think he is making an allusion to the senators political heavy hand.

Macs.
02-21-2009, 10:46 PM
it's quite similiar to those who went into the water when the Titanic went down.

Those wearing tuxedos froze alongside those in workers overalls....kinda similar today.....rich and poor are neck deep in poop with the exception of the rare few who planned as best as possible for this mess.

Anyone who planned ahead and ensured they had an economic life preserver or lifeboat will be forced to share it.

...with the difference that those who have "alot" and fall will experience a gigantic fall. People at the very bottom of western society, who live off welfare or a low-paying job will not experience much of a change IMO, if the system doesn't totally crash... They still have a roof over the head, eat cheap food and have their minimum entertainment. Not much change there.