Drug War in Mexico

[bigvig]

Does anyone have any clue how many these narco-insurgents number? The police and military seem to have a huge problem with them. How extensive are they exactly?

[Trouble]

There quite a few of them running around. But the real problem is Money. The Narcos have money to burn (literally), the MX Govt. does not. The Narcos can buy just about anything including the Local Cops, Federal Police, and Military, why? the Narcos can pay better and if you say no to them they kill you and your extended family.

[AroundTheCorner]

I read somewhere that their are 300.000+ members of drug cartels in all over mexico.

[Annihilator9112]

**** thats like a fkn army!!

[Tokamak]

Probably you should try this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101145&page=488

As far as I know some of them are from or have connections with the army, federal police and government.

[jupiter]

Probably you should try this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101145&page=488

As far as I know some of them are from or have connections with the army, federal police and government.
Sadly it's like a web, you don't know where it begins nor the end. And you don't know who is with what side. You see, either the bribes or the guns, are powerful.

[jupiter]

I read somewhere that their are 300.000+ members of drug cartels in all over mexico.
Nobody knows for shure, but in arms, could be easily 50,000. The rest 300,000 its the labor force.

[Dragunov]

Yeah, most of it is laborers; street drug dealers, transporters, farmers, firearms importers, etc. And about 30% are paramilitary groups that each cartel has to protect their territories and eliminate their enemies. Some of them even have ''military'' type ranks and use tactical gear. They have a wide knowledge of psychological warfare.

The main cartel organizations are the Gulf Cartel/Zetas, Juarez Cartel, La Familia Michoacana, Beltran Leyva, Tijuana Cartel and The Federation.

[Dragunov]

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[Ordie]

**** thats like a fkn army!!

But its not an Army in the traditional sense.

Drug cartels are at war against each other more often than against the authorities.

[Airgun_Hunter]

Does anyone have any clue how many these narco-insurgents number? The police and military seem to have a huge problem with them. How extensive are they exactly?

How difficult is to fight an organzied crime that have a bigger budget than the DEA and other U.S. Agencies. :|

[Dragunov]

But its not an Army in the traditional sense.

Drug cartels are at war against each other more often than against the authorities.

That has changed over the years. Now they don't give a ****. They will eliminate anyone who is on their way. Specially since president Calderon took office and started to cracxk down on them.

[Cornerstone]

**** they are armed to the FVcking gums

[LongShot]

**** they are armed to the FVcking gums


I wonder if someone has managed to put a trace on where these weapons came from? I see quite a bit of hardware that doesnt look like it flowed south from the US.

[Cornerstone]

I wonder if someone has managed to put a trace on where these weapons came from? I see quite a bit of hardware that doesnt look like it flowed south from the US.Maybe the same people who are arming the farc...

[Walter Sobchak]

Maybe the same people who are arming the farc...

El Diablito, Jugo Chavez is definitely not doing anything to discourage the cartels from doing what they want. He also had to make a deal with them, otherwise Venezuela would also be in the middle of the whole thing! He's making war on the US through encouraging violence on the border and helping the cartels import drugs.

Find where he sleeps and send a couple of Predators in the night...

[Dragunov]

I wonder if someone has managed to put a trace on where these weapons came from? I see quite a bit of hardware that doesnt look like it flowed south from the US.


Like what?

[LongShot]

Like what?


Crew serve weapons, grenade launchers.....those dont fall off of trucks very often.

[Cornerstone]

El Diablito, Jugo Chavez is definitely not doing anything to discourage the cartels from doing what they want. He also had to make a deal with them, otherwise Venezuela would also be in the middle of the whole thing! He's making war on the US through encouraging violence on the border and helping the cartels import drugs.

Find where he sleeps and send a couple of Predators in the night...
We'll get that fvcker, we can piss way farther than he can

[PeterG]

El Diablito, Jugo Chavez is definitely not doing anything to discourage the cartels from doing what they want. He also had to make a deal with them, otherwise Venezuela would also be in the middle of the whole thing! He's making war on the US through encouraging violence on the border and helping the cartels import drugs.

Find where he sleeps and send a couple of Predators in the night...

The US has also dealt with these druglords ( and still is, who knows? ). The reality here is that the severe penalties given to those caught dealing in drugs, aren't enough to discourage them. Even the very likely chance that they'll end up dead in the drug war, aren't enough to discourage them obviously. So what to do?

Pull the rug from under the druglords by legalizing drugs. There will be drawbacks, sure - like there is a severe social cost from the legal consumption of alcohol, by all the violent sociopaths beating their wife and kids, DUI related accidents, disease related to alcoholism... But just like with drugs, we can't stop it anyway. Might as well try to regulate it to the best of our ability, and recoup some of the massive economic cost to society from the use of illegal drugs, by taxes. Just like we do with alcohol.

It's about being pragmatic. The use of tobacco and alcohol - and even junk food, causes far, far more deaths in the US than drugs. This 'war on drugs' is pathetic. Get some perspective on things, it's quite interesting. Like the fact that tobacco, kills about 20 times more americans than drugs. Still, we fight the use of tobacco with rational means, education, being one of them - but insist on idiotic 'wars' to fight drugs.

[commanding]

You want to know why the US and Mexico both have been unsuccessful in stopping the flow of drugs north, the flow of cash and guns south? Money.
Look at this link on snopes, and this one is a true.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp

[eugenlitwin]

does anyone have any clue how many these narco-insurgents number? The police and military seem to have a huge problem with them. How extensive are they exactly?

10 000 - 20 000,

[rOjOdogg]

Its hard to put a number on the cartels when everyone and his brother has ties with someone who works or recieves aid from the cartels. In Tijuana and Northern Baja California its the CAF or Cartel Arellano-Felix, in joint operations the US and Mexico captured or killed the head of the cartel which just made the problems increase 1000%, because now you have a organization which generates billions of dollars without a boss, and everyone wants to be the boss, then you have rival cartels who want to take over, and all it did was create more violence, and Tijuana has never been the same. So to fight the cartels they need to think out thier actions first, its not as easy as the news and movies would lead people to think. And yes 90% of the weapons used in the north come from the USA, and they can always find someone in the military to loose something for the right price. You must understand that the municiple police in Tijuana are the highest paid law enforcement in Mexico and 13,000 peso for a month, which is around $900 dollars a month. You figure out the problem.

[PeterG]

The problem is of course this ridiculous 'war' on drugs. We might as well have a 'war' on beer, since the cost to society from people who do stupid things after drinking beer, and damage their health drinking too much beer, runs in the billions. We don't of course, since everyone knows it would be dumb.

The use of alcohol and drugs, is a social issue and a health issue. That's it. It would be best if nobody used them at all ( well, probably not entirely true, since millions actually manage to get by because of a drink or some weed now and then, it helps brighten up a boring life, and/or helps many cope with issues they might have ). There is nothing to 'declare war' on. Our own stupidity, perhaps. What we need to do, is to regulate it as best we can. And to tax it, as i said before.