Gunmen tried to kill Chihuahua governor

[Dragunov]

Google translation*

Redacción
El Universal
Chihuahua, Chih. Lunes 23 de febrero de 2009
01:10

An intense shootout that occurred Sunday night left a governor's bodyguard dead and two others wounded when gunmen tried to kill Chihuahua governor José Reyes Baeza.

At a press conference at the Government House, the governor explained that the convoy that escorted him, on his way to his house was attacked by individuals who were traveling aboard two vehicles, who began to shoot directly to the vehicle transporting bodyguards.

He commented that he was traveling in a SUV, escorted by two vehicles, and the last of them was attacked by criminals who were traveling aboard a car and a Jettta Bora.

He said he was driven out of the attack, while the other two vehicles stayed to repel the aggression.

Before the attack, the governor of Chihuahua canceled his visit to Mexico City scheduled for Monday, which was scheduled a reunion with the Interior Minister, Fernando Gomez Mont, to review the Joint Operation Chihuahua and more security issues.

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http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9719/portada230209509574.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/578848.html

RIP.

[Dragunov]

This is the second time they failed to kill him. My respects to the brave and pro bodyguards.


BTW, they also want to kill the Juarez mayor.

[LineDoggie]

Jesus, they really need to hunt these fvckers down and terminate them, in a Very Public Manner.

[LongShot]

RIP to the men that gave their lives.

[dacanadianbomb]

Their attackers obviously werent just a bunch of idiots.
Anyone operating down there must feel like they are in bloody Baghdad of 4 years ago lately.Before anyone has any ideas of PMCs moving around there, Mexico has restrictive laws on who can and cannot do protection work.
Expats etc can only be "assistants" or "drivers" etc, but not be armed.
What was that last week in the weekly pics where an attacker had a 10,5 M4, m90o weapon light and a Beta C mag? Crazy.

[LongShot]

Their attackers obviously werent just a bunch of idiots.
Anyone operating down there must feel like they are in bloody Baghdad of 4 years ago lately.Before anyone has any ideas of PMCs moving around there, Mexico has restrictive laws on who can and cannot do protection work.
Expats etc can only be "assistants" or "drivers" etc, but not be armed.
What was that last week in the weekly pics where an attacker had a 10,5 M4, m90o weapon light and a Beta C mag? Crazy.


Expats can be armed, but it takes a mountain of paperwork and they must be working in concert with local authorities or protecting Mexican nationals.

[SpecOpsGrandChild]

RIP bodyguard. I wish a speedy recovery to the wounded ones.

[dacanadianbomb]

Expats can be armed, but it takes a mountain of paperwork and they must be working in concert with local authorities or protecting Mexican nationals.

Ah OK, I had read, and reread many a times people talking about not being able to be armed whilst in Mexico as an expat.I wonder how the situation might change the way biz is done down there.

[LongShot]

Ah OK, I had read, and reread many a times people talking about not being able to be armed whilst in Mexico as an expat.I wonder how the situation might change the way biz is done down there.

Generally they cant be, even bringing along a less-lethal kit like an ASP baton/O.C. spray etc. can get a person in trouble, but with sponsorship, its just a matter of paperwork, the client, and time. If you are not protecting a local/government offical or someone with pull, its a no-go.


A buddy of mine who still works down there said that there has been talk at the local level of attempting to make it easier so that expat companies can be brought in. The logic is that being expats, they are less likely to be corrupt and are better equipped/trained than those that can be hired locally.

[CFD Ambos]

Generally they cant be, even bringing along a less-lethal kit like an ASP baton/O.C. spray etc. can get a person in trouble, but with sponsorship, its just a matter of paperwork, the client, and time. If you are not protecting a local/government offical or someone with pull, its a no-go.


A buddy of mine who still works down there said that there has been talk at the local level of attempting to make it easier so that expat companies can be brought in. The logic is that being expats, they are less likely to be corrupt and are better equipped/trained than those that can be hired locally.

Good idea, but nothing really new if you remember the famous Dan Sommer articles...

I've never been in South America, however will go pretty soon... it just seems that being above laws is just a matter of knowing the right people...

[LongShot]

Good idea, but nothing really new if you remember the famous Dan Sommer articles...

I've never been in South America, however will go pretty soon... it just seems that being above laws is just a matter of knowing the right people...


Also depends on the country.

[CFD Ambos]

Yup !

Cool to see you again Longshot, didn't recognize you at first.

[LongShot]

Yup !

Cool to see you again Longshot, didn't recognize you at first.


Yes sir...gotta change avatars every now and then.

[Felix U. Gómez]

How the hell did this post go from a possible attempt on the life of the governor of Chihuahua to expats being armed in Mexico? Certainly one thing has nothing to do with the other. One, we are in no shortage of people capable of being bodyguards, two, we're not interested in adding foreigners to our problems, and three, you guys watch way too many movies.
P.S. Mexico isn't in South America.

[LongShot]

How the hell did this post go from a possible attempt on the life of the governor of Chihuahua to expats being armed in Mexico? Certainly one thing has nothing to do with the other. One, we are in no shortage of people capable of being bodyguards, two, we're not interested in adding foreigners to our problems, and three, you guys watch way too many movies.
P.S. Mexico isn't in South America.


4. Im an Expat, ive worked in Mexico, and I can both argee and disagree with the above statement.

[CFD Ambos]

How the hell did this post go from a possible attempt on the life of the governor of Chihuahua to expats being armed in Mexico? Certainly one thing has nothing to do with the other. One, we are in no shortage of people capable of being bodyguards, two, we're not interested in adding foreigners to our problems, and three, you guys watch way too many movies.
P.S. Mexico isn't in South America.

Accept it or not, lots of foreign security professionals WANT to work in Mexico, whatever their reasons.

Whether it's beneficial or not, ask the potential clients directly. Methinks there's a need.

Reacting emotionally won't give more credit to your concept of bodyguarding.

[Laworkerbee]

How the hell did this post go from a possible attempt on the life of the governor of Chihuahua to expats being armed in Mexico? Certainly one thing has nothing to do with the other. One, we are in no shortage of people capable of being bodyguards, two, we're not interested in adding foreigners to our problems, and three, you guys watch way too many movies.
P.S. Mexico isn't in South America.

I wonder how much the people who need bodyguards trust other Mexicans to guard them.

I think that's a legitimate question.

[rOjOdogg]

I agree that Mexico needs to make it easyier in these days for all to obtain weapons permits for those in security details, no matter what nationality. And We need to do something to protect our elected officials better, the Cartels seem to have more firepower than our local police who for the most part are the bodyguards.

[CFD Ambos]

definitely

[LongShot]

I agree that Mexico needs to make it easyier in these days for all to obtain weapons permits for those in security details, no matter what nationality. And We need to do something to protect our elected officials better, the Cartels seem to have more firepower than our local police who for the most part are the bodyguards.


The military can also be hired as personal protection, for a rather resonable rate.

[BAJACAL]

AUTHORITIES ARRESTED A MAN IN CONNECTION WITH THE MURDER OF THE BODYGUARD, THE DETAINEE WAS IN THE MEXICAN ARMY AND HAD BEEN DISCHARGED IN 2001.
http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.php?notaid=cbd05980d02c2f4fd14052affd9ddc78

[Felix U. Gómez]

I wonder how much the people who need bodyguards trust other Mexicans to guard them.

I think that's a legitimate question.

Let me answer your question. Mexico has a lot of millionaires, including the world's second richest man. A few years ago it was said that we had more millionaires than any other country in the world except the U.S. I don't know if that still the case, but the point is we have a lot of people that need protection, can afford it, and who most likely already have it. Do you know of a lot of foreigners who work as bodyguards in Mexico? I don't. Why? Because most body guards in Mexico are Mexicans.
There are many levels of security than can be hired in Mexico, they go from ex-policemen all the way up to retired members of the Estado Mayor Presidencial. Those guys are as good as it gets and they are extremely well trained and professional.

But back to my original point. I believe that this thread has been taken off track and that even if it were about personal security in Mexico I believe that allowing foreigners to work as bodyguards in Mexico would contribute zilch towards solving our problem.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Btw, I've lived in Ciudad Juárez for four decades, you might have heard of it. I know of people who have personal security details, the Zaragoza's, Bermudez, and Fuentes families come to mind. I believe that all of their bodyguards are Mexicans and that in the current crisis they haven't done that bad. It's those of us who can't afford bodyguards that have the problems, problems which an expat bodyguard will not solve.

[Laworkerbee]

I believe that allowing foreigners to work as bodyguards in Mexico would contribute zilch towards solving our problem.

I completely agree my man, I'm heading down there this weekend myself for some cervezas and photography woot

[Felix U. Gómez]

Now, that would be more helpful! :)

[cbreedon]

Btw, I've lived in Ciudad Juárez for four decades, you might have heard of it. I know of people who have personal security details, the Zaragoza's, Bermudez, and Fuentes families come to mind. I believe that all of their bodyguards are Mexicans and that in the current crisis they haven't done that bad. It's those of us who can't afford bodyguards that have the problems, problems which an expat bodyguard will not solve.

Not sure about the other two but the Bermudez family is probably on the take anyway so they don't need body guards to protect them from the drug lords.

My wife's family is from Juarez/El Paso and I remember hearing stories of the Bermudez family in the 1980's.

[Sinaloense]

I think guns need to become legal in Mexico.

[LongShot]

Let me answer your question. Mexico has a lot of millionaires, including the world's second richest man. A few years ago it was said that we had more millionaires than any other country in the world except the U.S. I don't know if that still the case, but the point is we have a lot of people that need protection, can afford it, and who most likely already have it. Do you know of a lot of foreigners who work as bodyguards in Mexico? I don't. Why? Because most body guards in Mexico are Mexicans.
There are many levels of security than can be hired in Mexico, they go from ex-policemen all the way up to retired members of the Estado Mayor Presidencial. Those guys are as good as it gets and they are extremely well trained and professional.

But back to my original point. I believe that this thread has been taken off track and that even if it were about personal security in Mexico I believe that allowing foreigners to work as bodyguards in Mexico would contribute zilch towards solving our problem.

I do know of more than a handful of Expats working in Mexico, I also know of entire details of American/British Expats working for Mexican Nationals because their client does not trust his own countrymen. Certainly, this situation is more of an exception than a rule though.

I don't think making Expat access to the Mexican market would improve the situation, though it certainly couldn't hurt. I suppose I'm just a supporter of someone having access to exactly what they want, IE skilled personnel, regardless of what country they come from.

Having said that, I can second your opinion of some of the professionalism available locally...there are some fine professionals born and raised in Mexico, and they often have unique advantages over Expats in that they have personal knowledge of their working environment and social aspects therein that would take an outsider years to develop, if at all.

[rOjOdogg]

I think guns need to become legal in Mexico.

They are legal, it just takes a mountain of paperwork to get them and you cant always get what you want, for example .45 cal is not allowed for normal people, rifles and shotguns are easier to obtain if you are in a gun club.

[Dragunov]

I think guns need to become legal in Mexico.


Dude you are from Mexico and dont even know that firearms are legal for civilians?:roll:

[Dragunov]

Photos of the scene.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6321/foto1105.jpg
Police agent KIA
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http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3272/foto1103.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6148/foto1108.jpg

Convoy was reinforced.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4176/3304932331a71998a7c5o.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/678/foto1106.jpg

[Dragunov]

The governor is serioulsy concerned.His protective team has increased. They included the Juarez Police tactical group.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8843/foto1110.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/331/foto1109.jpg

[Laworkerbee]

Dragunov,

Thanks for the posts my man.