Idiocy of Assault Weapons Ban

[Old300]

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I hadn't seen it:

http://www.ont.com/users/kolya/AR15/awc.htm

There are good (but not necessarily convincing) arguments that can be made in favor of various forms of gun control, but I think that we can all agree that the laws that we have in place now are ridiculous.

[Black Dots]

I live in the People's Republic of California, so even if the AWB sunsets, it will have no effect on the laws here. :(

[American Patriot]

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[Geezah]

That's a new one for me :D hopefully Dianne Feinswine will drop off the face of the Earth and the AWB will go away quietly and prove that Bilary Klinton is stealing our oxygen ;)

[VorpalDoom]

Romanian Semi-Automatic AK47: $200.00
AK47 Full auto Kit: $35.00
Having an illegal fully automatic weapon with two legal products: Pricless.



California is amusing... makes exactly NO sense to me with the whacko restrictions on certain weapons, especially when the legal weapon is more effective. some other laws really confuse me. I could walk down the street with a FULL-AUTO aks74u, as long as: Its not loaded, and there is no magazine in it. My finger is NOT on the trigger, the safety is on, and its in plain sight... any age, any one, perfectly legal... makes no sense to me. whereas you can go to Big 5, buy a Kar98 for 70 bucks, load it, have extra ammo, have a bayonet attatched to it, finger on the trigger, and walk around, as long as you don't point it at anyone, ur set.

gun laws are just about the only thing that pisses me off about this state (california) :(

[scm77]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

You would have to have the police turned into a military unit, with armoured vehicles etc. just to keep up with criminals.

[Geezah]

Dianne Feinswine's common sense???



Common Sense Gun Regulations

As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Feinstein authored laws such as the Assault Weapons Ban and the Gun Free Schools Act, which have helped keep thousands of weapons out of the hands of criminals and children. Senator Feinstein's record includes:

The Assault Weapons Ban

Senator Feinstein fought the gun lobby and won passage of a landmark ban on the manufacture and sale of 19 types of military-style assault weapons. This legislation was signed into law on September 13, 1994.

When the gun lobby tried to repeal the 1994 assault weapons ban in December 1995, Senator Feinstein threatened the "mother of all filibusters" and the repeal bill, which had been passed by the House, was never brought to the Senate floor.

Senator Feinstein convinced President Clinton in 1998 to sign an executive order to stop the importation of 59 types of cosmetically adjusted assault weapons, helping to block 1.8 million of these guns from being sold on our streets.


The Gun Free Schools Act

Senator Feinstein cosponsored the Gun Free Schools Act of 1994, which was legislation to remove all firearms from schools by requiring school districts to expel students that carry firearms to school. This bill was signed into law on October 22, 1994.

And this stopped the Columbine murderers........how????? I'm sure getting expelled was the last thing on their minds! :cantbeli:


Other Common-Sense Regulations

Licensing and Registration - In April 2000, Senator Feinstein introduced legislation to license owners of all firearms except common hunting rifles and provide a record of all future firearm sales and transfers. We register cars and license car owners, it's common-sense to do the same with guns and gun owners.

Prohibition on the Importation of Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines - Senator Feinstein introduced legislation, passed by the Senate and House, but held in Conference Committee, to ban the importation of high-capacity ammunition magazines by closing the loophole in the 1994 assault weapons ban, which prohibited the domestic manufacture of these magazines, but allowed their continued importation and sale.

Military-Sniper Weapons - Senator Feinstein sponsored legislation to curb the sales of .50 caliber military sniper rifles in order to make it more difficult for terrorists, drug-traffickers and other criminals from obtaining these deadly weapons, which can pierce concrete from four miles away.

Enforcing Firearms Laws - Senator Feinstein introduced legislation to give law enforcement enhanced technology to solve crimes, including gun fingerprinting, and devote more prosecutors to enforcing existing federal firearms laws.

Saturday Night Specials - Senator Feinstein supports a ban on "Saturday Night Specials," which are inexpensive and unsafe guns that do not meet federal standards and are often used in crimes.

Body Armor Ban - The Senate recently approved legislation by Senator Feinstein to increase the penalty for wearing body armor while committing a crime. It would also ban violent felons from possessing body armor and facilitate the donation of Federal surplus body armor to State and local law enforcement.

Background Checks - Senator Feinstein supported the Brady Bill, signed into law on Nov. 30, 1993, and strongly advocates background checks for anyone attempting to buy a gun anywhere at anytime, including at gun shows and on the internet. The Brady Bill has kept more than 350,000 felons and other prohibited persons from buying firearms.

Trigger Locks - Senator Feinstein voted in favor of requiring all handguns sold in the U.S. to include a child safety lock or lock box with the purchase of the handgun.

Juvenile Justice Reforms

Improper Storage - Senator Feinstein voted in favor of criminal penalties for an adult who improperly stores a gun, thereby allowing a juvenile to access the gun and use it criminally.

Transfers to Minors - Senator Feinstein sponsored the Federal Gang Violence Act, which increases penalties for transferring a handgun to a minor. This legislation was incorporated into the Juvenile Justice Bill and was passed by the Senate.

Prior Offenders - Senator Feinstein supports prohibiting anyone who has committed a violent felony as a juvenile or adult from owning a firearm, and she supports prohibiting anyone convicted of a crime involving domestic violence from possessing firearms.

Recognition

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence gave Senator Feinstein their top award in 1999 for her efforts to reduce the number of assault weapons in the United States and she received the Celebration of Courage from Handgun Control.

Feinswine (http://feinstein.senate.gov/gun_regulations.html)

[Geezah]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

You would have to have the police turned into a military unit, with armoured vehicles etc. just to keep up with criminals.

I take it you're joking???

[Black Dots]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

Are you being sarcastic?

[Abolith]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

You would have to have the police turned into a military unit, with armoured vehicles etc. just to keep up with criminals.


Ya because we all know that criminals all obey the proper gun laws but are willing to break any of the others.

[SwissGrenadier]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

You would have to have the police turned into a military unit, with armoured vehicles etc. just to keep up with criminals.


Ya because we all know that criminals all obey the proper gun laws but are willing to break any of the others.

EXACTLY

1 out of 3 or 4 swiss citizens is armed however the "so called refugees", who btw have a new hobby: murdering people in front of the city hall, still break in into our houses and appartments...

you know why; because some moron instated a law which prohibits you from shooting an intruder who is breaking into your house :cantbeli:
we should have the same kind of home defense act here, probably the intruders would think twice before breaking into a home armed with a 5.56 rifle hehe

btw i'm not racist but what i stated above is the truth, it happened 3 weeks ago in switzerland's 2nd largest city...

[Mongrel]

scm77 wrote: "Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis. "

M: The Criminals already use these, and worse, and guess what...they don't give a crap about the laws...esp' the Canadian ones. Don't believe me? Well make a little trip out here to Vancouver, and have a little peek around our 54% Asian community with its imported gangs, and mafias.

Your in Toronto..things must be about as bad.

Also Personaly I don't feel any safer after our government spent Billions on our stupid gun registry program. You can't legislatie common sense into people...they either have it or they don't.

[Geezah]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

You would have to have the police turned into a military unit, with armoured vehicles etc. just to keep up with criminals.


Ya because we all know that criminals all obey the proper gun laws but are willing to break any of the others.

EXACTLY

1 out of 3 or 4 swiss citizens is armed however the "so called refugees", who btw have a new hobby: murdering people in front of the city hall, still break in into our houses and appartments...

you know why; because some moron instated a law which prohibits you from shooting an intruder who is breaking into your house :cantbeli:
we should have the same kind of home defense act here, probably the intruders would think twice before breaking into a home armed with a 5.56 rifle hehe

btw i'm not racist but what i stated above is the truth, it happened 3 weeks ago in switzerland's 2nd largest city...

You'd be suprised how much of a deterrent getting shot is to would be burglars!

[Retard]

The assault rifle ban is a good thing. Think of how crazy **** would be if ganga used assault rifles instead of pistols and uzis.

You would have to have the police turned into a military unit, with armoured vehicles etc. just to keep up with criminals.
Banned AR-15
http://www.colt.com/mil/images/M16.jpg
Legal Semiautomatic rifle:
http://www.colt.com/CMCI/images/MTCompHBAR_BIG.jpg

What did the ban accomplish? Both can legally have 30rd magazines (preban mags for postban rifle). So, only difference is no flash suppressor, no bayonet lug & a different name.

[Zoomie]

Other Common-Sense Regulations
Military-Sniper Weapons - Senator Feinstein sponsored legislation to curb the sales of .50 caliber military sniper rifles in order to make it more difficult for terrorists, drug-traffickers and other criminals from obtaining these deadly weapons, which can pierce concrete from four miles away.


rofl rofl Let me know when someone actually bothers to set up a .50cal Rifle and starts to shoot concrete 4miles away. Has anyone ever heard of a story where some terrorist/drug guy/criminal lugged around a .50cal sniper rifle to commit a crime?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

As much as I sympathise with you guys I think this belongs in the Off Topic section, its really not relevant to the world political and military matters discussed here.

[Herrmannek]

As much as I sympathise with you guys I think this belongs in the Off Topic section, its really not relevant to the world political and military matters discussed here.

Pst don't let them know they are small unimportant country... :)

[Geezah]

As much as I sympathise with you guys I think this belongs in the Off Topic section, its really not relevant to the world political and military matters discussed here.

I will disagree with you on this one seeing as the AWB only targets civilian styled military weapons and these said weapons are constantly being attacked by congressmen that have nothing better to do with their time!

[Mongrel]

I agree it is a relevent topic as I'm sure most on here have enogh cross over of intrest to have some good points on this subject.

Right now in Canada we can't use mace, stun batons, handcuffs, on criminals if we are not peace officers. We have to be nice, and polite to them. In the Criminal code B&E is sup' to get you a life time in prison, and esp' if it is the case of a Home invasion with intent to injure or seriously harm the people in the home.

Yet most of these criminals are out the same day, and off to another "crime job"..with but a slap on the wrist.

Having granny, and grandpa armed with an AR15 would be a crime deterant for sure, and get the worst of the criminal scumbags that like to beat the snot out of and rape old people in a body bag were IMHO they deserve to be.

I'd only ask that there be manditory safety courses, as these bullets (well any bullets) have a nasty habit of going through walls, and down the street etc.

Cheers!
M.

[Geezah]

I'd only ask that there be manditory safety courses, as these bullets (well any bullets) have a nasty habit of going through walls, and down the street etc.

Cheers!
M.

Yep, a guy that used to work here had FMJs in his SKS for home defense, I thought he was crazy. Me, when the AK was my only firearm I had 20 HPs loaded in a 30rndr.
Now that I've aquired more firearms my shotty is normally my home defense weapon(currently stripped due to refinishing) with a combination of OO, slugs and #4 attached to the weapon via side saddle and speedfeed but as thats out of the picture my 9mm is the it, with a mix of Corbon Beesafe and Federal EFMJ.

I met one of our Canadian salesmen a couple of weeks ago and he said it looks like they're going to repeal the crazy gun control law that just went into affect up there?

[rob]

Thanks to Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnold.

he had nothing to do with the gun control laws currently in place in commifornia.

as for a .50 used in a crime. i dont think there is a domumented case, they are impractical for anythign other then anti material work and even the criminals realise this.

[Mongrel]

Yah our Liberal Government sunk a Billion into a gun registration program that basicly relied on the false assumption that Criminals would also register there guns...they where even talking about "fingerprinting rifle barrels", if yah can believe that.

Even with the registration gone we are still left with this crap in the link below...How would yah like to live up here?

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_users/fact_sheets/r&p.asp

I was depressed to see the Dragonov sniper rifle in the bad boy list, as I can't see it being a typical "assault weapon". It has a long enogh barrel, and only a 10 rnd clip, and isn't built to fire a spray of bullets.

Mean while I could head down to the Local Candian Tire and get a hunting rifle far more capable (and far cheaper). I have asked them about this and am still waiting a month later for a reply, they just said they would get back to me on this.

Methinks they just opened a bunch of magazines and said "Oooh that looks scary, we must ban it" :cantbeli:

Maybe when China invades us we can get some nice Assault weapons.
(just kidding) :D

Cheers!
M.

[Black Dots]

Methinks they just opened a bunch of magazines and said "Oooh that looks scary, we must ban it"

Hey, that was the criteria used in deciding what weapons to ban in the States.

[Geezah]

Yah our Liberal Government sunk a Billion into a gun registration program that basicly relied on the false assumption that Criminals would also register there guns...they where even talking about "fingerprinting rifle barrels", if yah can believe that.

Even with the registration gone we are still left with this crap in the link below...How would yah like to live up here?

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_users/fact_sheets/r&p.asp

I was depressed to see the Dragonov sniper rifle in the bad boy list, as I can't see it being a typical "assault weapon". It has a long enogh barrel, and only a 10 rnd clip, and isn't built to fire a spray of bullets.

Mean while I could head down to the Local Candian Tire and get a hunting rifle far more capable (and far cheaper). I have asked them about this and am still waiting a month later for a reply, they just said they would get back to me on this.

Methinks they just opened a bunch of magazines and said "Oooh that looks scary, we must ban it" :cantbeli:

Maybe when China invades us we can get some nice Assault weapons.
(just kidding) :D

Cheers!
M.

I think the Dragonov is banned down here along with anything Norinco, it's amazing really, you have people that don't have the faintest idea about firearms coming up with a list to ban:cantbeli:

[Mongrel]

Yah up here they even banned Crossbows..even though in Canada there has been only 3 reported deaths in the past 100 years due to this weapon, and one was in self defence by a Quebec police officer protecting his family on a camping trip from kidnapers. :cantbeli:

The thing that got me is many in our police forces asked the good questions...who is going to pay us to do this impossible task, and how will this protect us from the sharpened screwdrivers, and sawed off shotguns, which are far more common?

Damn all I want is a Dragonov. :(
I'll still be a good boy...I'll keep mowing the law, and paying taxes etc.

Cheers!
M.

[Fargin]

btw i'm not racist but
...but you had me fooled.

[vitiaz]

because some moron instated a law which prohibits you from shooting an intruder who is breaking into your house :cantbeli:

we should have the same kind of home defense act here, probably the intruders would think twice before breaking into a home armed with a 5.56 rifle hehe



Here we have the 'Make My Day' law and it has worked very well. Just wish I had a SIG like you guys. Hopefully after the AWB sunsets we'll be seeing them here again.

[SwissGrenadier]

because some moron instated a law which prohibits you from shooting an intruder who is breaking into your house :cantbeli:

we should have the same kind of home defense act here, probably the intruders would think twice before breaking into a home armed with a 5.56 rifle hehe



Here we have the 'Make My Day' law and it has worked very well. Just wish I had a SIG like you guys. Hopefully after the AWB sunsets we'll be seeing them here again.

criminality is on the rise, it's only a matter of time until we will have a home defense law, like our american friends woot

i'm glad for you guys that the awb will soon be a thing of the past, democrats aren't necessarily dumb, they have studied at harvard, stanford etc but why do they hate guns that much?? aahh i'll probably never understand leftist political parties... :lol:

Regards :D

[Mongrel]

Vitiaz wrote:

Here we have the 'Make My Day' law and it has worked very well.

Where is here?
And how does that law work?

Cheers!
M.

[vitiaz]

Where is here?
And how does that law work?



Check here:
http://www.freecolorado.com/2003/04/makemyday.html

If someone enters your home uninvited, committing a crime and you(or another person) feels in fear for their life(or serious bodily harm), you can defend yourself with deadly force. :bash:

[SwissGrenadier]

"Here in Colorado, citizens who practice self-defense in their own homes are protected by the "Make My Day" law." colorado...what a great state!!!

"In New York, prosecutors punish those who defend themselves against violent criminals."
like in the Helvetic Confederation aka the land of mountains, chocolate and guns where one is prohibited from shooting an intruder :roll: :roll:

this makes me MAD given the fact that some bastard(s) broke into our neighbours appartment while my brother was at home ALONE... imagine what would've happened if they would have broken into our appartment...

[Geezah]

Where is here?
And how does that law work?



Check here:
http://www.freecolorado.com/2003/04/makemyday.html

If someone enters your home uninvited, committing a crime and you(or another person) feels in fear for their life(or serious bodily harm), you can defend yourself with deadly force. :bash:

The thing is, you have to be in fear of losing you life or third parties ;) then you can shoot away and you may as well empty the magazine after the 2 to the upper torso and the one to the head to make it look like you panicked and just kept on pulling the trigger :P adds more weight to the fact you were scared!














That's what I've been told anyway :D