"Battle for Britain": BNP's anti-immigration campaign

[tony6]

BNP shot down after it uses a POLISH Spitfire to front its anti-immigration campaign.

The British National Party was ridiculed last night for fronting its anti-immigration campaign with a picture of a Polish Spitfire.

Its poster for the European elections, for which its manifesto includes a ban on Eastern European migrant workers, shows the Second World War plane above the slogan ‘Battle for Britain’.

But Air Force history experts have identified that the aircraft was actually flown by the
RAF’s 303 Squadron – made up of expatriate Poles rescued from France shortly before Nazi occupation.

British National Party chairman Nick Griffin speaks at a fundraiser with the campaign poster featuring the Polish squadron plane in the background
BNP party chiefs defended their use of the image and insisted they knew all about
the background.

But John Hemming, MP for Yardley, Birmingham, ridiculed this claim. He also condemned the far-Right party for using the image of Polish heroism in a campaign that includes stemming immigration from Poland.

The Romeo Foxtrot Delta plane featured in the poster was flown by the RAF's 303 Squadron - made up of ex-pat Poles
He said: ‘The BNP often get confused and this happens because they haven’t done their research. This is just another example of them getting it wrong.

‘They have a policy to send Polish people back to Poland – yet they are fronting their latest campaign using this plane.

‘It is absurd to make claims about Englishness and Britishness fronted by this image.

‘It’s obvious they just picked an image at random and they are really clutching at straws if they say this was deliberate.’
The 303 Squadron was the most effective Polish squadron during the Second World War.

During the Battle of Britain Polish pilots shot down 203 Luftwaffe aircraft which stood for 12 per cent of total German losses in the battle.

A Royal Air Force museum spokesman said: ‘The Spitfire in the poster can be identified as belonging to 303 Squadron of the Polish Air Force by the code letters ‘RF’ painted in front of the RAF roundel.
‘303 Squadron operated Spitfires from Northolt, Kirton- in-Lindsey, Coltishall and other RAF stations in the UK between 1941 and 1945 after flying Hurricanes in the Battle of Britain.’
MP John Hemming: 'It is absurd to make claims about Englishness and Britishness fronted by this image'
BNP spokesman Simon Darby said: ‘The 2009 election campaign poster features a spitfire plane and represents the Battle of Britain.

‘It doesn’t matter if it’s a Polish squadron plane at all.

‘It’s a symbol of Britain’s struggle at the moment.

‘Using that plane doesn’t go against our policies.

‘It’s not a question of disliking the Polish people – it’s just a question of economics.’

The poster is being used by the BNP to promote its election campaign in general and specifically a series of black tie dinner events with leader Nick Griffin as the speaker.

In 1998 he was found guilty of inciting race hatred at Harrow Crown Court for denying that the Holocaust took place.

The campaign has already seen the threat of legal action from Dame Vera Lynn over their use of her song White Cliffs of Dover on a BNP album of Second World War songs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158970/BNP-shot-uses-POLISH-Spitfire-anti-immigration-campaign.html

What an irony;)

[khalsa1699]

its a lost battle already!

[Sufficient]

Sounds like a typical politically correct knee-jerk reaction. These are usually used to ridicule anyone that's not pro-immigration.

I'd imagine that the Poles were/are just the type of immigrants that every country needs and wants. Hard-working and willing to sacrifice themself for a good cause. If not in a war then to build a good society during peace. What countries like Britain doesn't need on the other hand is millions of people that just come to live on welfare and doesn't even want to contribute to the society.

[ren0312]

I think it is pretty obvious that the idea of a a nation state having a national cultural identity, or of nation states having 1 predominant ethinic group will not survive globalization.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Sounds like a typical politically correct knee-jerk reaction. These are usually used to ridicule anyone that's not pro-immigration.

I'd imagine that the Poles were/are just the type of immigrants that every country needs and wants. Hard-working and willing to sacrifice themself for a good cause. If not in a war then to build a good society during peace. What countries like Britain doesn't need on the other hand is millions of people that just come to live on welfare and doesn't even want to contribute to the society.Yes this largely true but many Poles have exploited the welfare system fully, I like the Poles and they and others are only abusing a weak system. Tighten up the welfare system and nobody will come here. If the BNP made an issue of the wefare system they would lose their core voters.

[perdurabo]

Yes this largely true but many Poles have exploited the welfare system fully, I like the Poles and they and others are only abusing a weak system. Tighten up the welfare system and nobody will come here. If the BNP made an issue of the wefare system they would lose their core voters.
hard workers would still come to you because working on low paid job you can earn more than on middle paid job here, also your laws are bit moe user friendly than ours, creating company in UK is plesure compared to Poland... just wait till Germany opens their border they have better welfare than you and are closer so i think moust of bums will just move therep-)

[oldsoak]

I've yet to meet a Polish scrounger in the UK . All the Poles I've met have a very strong work ethic - and drink like fish !

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I've yet to meet a Polish scrounger in the UK . All the Poles I've met have a very strong work ethic - and drink like fish !Apparently there are a lot tax credit scams going on we had a couple of Polish blokes at our place who fled when they were investigated. The Poles are good workers but no better than the locals that I used to take on, I lost a lot of man hours through drink with them so we had to get a decent bonus scheme going just to get them to ease up a little on the vodka.

[Thom]

I've yet to meet a Polish scrounger in the UK . All the Poles I've met have a very strong work ethic - and drink like fish !

Haha yep i'd have to agree with this. Especially in the service industry where alot of eastern europeans tend to go for, in general they're far more polite and friendly than the average.

[rgjbloke]

Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a rant but, the Polish are the same as everybody else. Mixed bag of brilliant ones, good ones, average ones, morons and mickey takers. In fact, pretty representative of the human race really. I currently work in small scale construction and I have seen some really great work by poles and some appalling stuff as well but as I intimated above, everybody is the same. English, Irish, Welsh, Asian etc, doesn't matter, they all produce good and bad work, you just gotta find the ones who produce the good stuff. Don't forget as well that although in recent years there has been a large portion of younger Poles moving to Britain looking for work, there have always been significant Polish communities in Britain for several decades that I know of and probably a lot longer than that that I don't know of. As for claiming benefits, we have a benefits system. If they are entitled to it, they should get it the same as everybody else. What gets up my nose is organisations such as the BNP trying to stir crap up and set people against other people in their craving to try and achieve power, and if they had known that Spitfire was operated by a Polish Squadron, They most certainly wouldn't have used it in their publicity in spite of what they said in this article. The most telling part of this story is the fact that the Spitfire was being flown by a Polish pilot in defence of freedom and democracy against tyranny and oppression. Make your own judgements where the BNP would stand on those issues if it ever were to gain political control of Britain.

[perdurabo]

Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a rant but, the Polish are the same as everybody else. Mixed bag of brilliant ones, good ones, average ones, morons and mickey takers. In fact, pretty representative of the human race really. I currently work in small scale construction and I have seen some really great work by poles and some appalling stuff as well but as I intimated above, everybody is the same. English, Irish, Welsh, Asian etc, doesn't matter, they all produce good and bad work, you just gotta find the ones who produce the good stuff.
quoted for truth! Totally agree with you mate!

[California Joe]

Sounds like a typical politically correct knee-jerk reaction. These are usually used to ridicule anyone that's not pro-immigration.


No, it sounds like some graphic artist that is ignorant of WWII British aircraft squadrons picked a photo that he or she thought looked cool, and it fit well with the design. It's as simple as that. It's also pretty funny.

[Deathchant]

I ****ing hate the BNP. They are just a bunch of thick ****s. They are the exact idiots that they are trying to get rid of. As for the spitfire. Well they proberly went "oh wow a picture of spitfire thats proper British aint it mate yeah lets use that." ****ing idiots!

[Tokamak]

Well done BNP, keep up the goo job!.

[JoaMei]

Perhaps the graphic artist knew it was a polish piloted Spitfire and wanted to make fun of the customer, the BNP. p-)

[OnTheRocks]

No, it sounds like some graphic artist that is ignorant of WWII British aircraft squadrons picked a photo that he or she thought looked cool, and it fit well with the design. It's as simple as that. It's also pretty funny.

The picture is made by my brother, we are both of Polish descent but live in Sweden, the BNP used his picture without authorization which happens quite a lot with my brothers work.
Here's a link to his image
http://colacola.se/expo_303.htm

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

No, it sounds like some graphic artist that is ignorant of WWII British aircraft squadrons picked a photo that he or she thought looked cool, and it fit well with the design. It's as simple as that. It's also pretty funny.

x2, It's rather common for graphic artists to make errors in depicting the right weapons/military equipment.
Case in point: The cover of Enemy at the Gates.


The picture is made by my brother, we are both of Polish descent but live in Sweden, the BNP used his picture without authorization which happens quite a lot with my brothers work.
Here's a link to his image
http://colacola.se/expo_303.htm

Ain't that a b' -
Is your brother going to take any action against the BNP?

[perdurabo]

The picture is made by my brother, we are both of Polish descent but live in Sweden, the BNP used his picture without authorization which happens quite a lot with my brothers work.
Here's a link to his image
http://colacola.se/expo_303.htm
lol, i send notice to Gazeta Wyborcza, your brother will be famous! :D

[nemowork]

The picture is made by my brother, we are both of Polish descent but live in Sweden, the BNP used his picture without authorization which happens quite a lot with my brothers work.
Here's a link to his image
http://colacola.se/expo_303.htm This story keeps getting better and better every day! Lets see Griffin spin this one rofl

[Sufficient]

There's an interview with him in today's Metro Skåne (southern tip of Sweden) edition.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9044/andersb.jpg

Babelfished:


Scanian in the middle of model drama

Design. A digital flight from Malmö have ended up in the middle of a xenophobic campaign. The event creates international headlines. Two years ago, designed 3D graphics Anders Lejczak in Malmö a model of a fighter. Now used by the British National Party in a xenophobic poster. Anders Lejzcaks 3D models are outsourced to his website and who wants to can download the models and create their own images. A guy in the U.S. have used the model to depict a Polish fighter. British National Party has since blown up the image to use it in nationalistic purposes, "says Anders Lejczak. Now hånas party in the British media, to use a picture of a Polish fighter planes in a nationalist campaign. And not enough the plane is Polish, 3D artist behind the image, Anders Lejczak, was born in Poland. But he is not angry:
- I think most of it is funny. They do indeed removed themselves, says Anders Lejczak.

INGRID ARINELL
ingrid.arinell @ metro.se

[California Joe]

The picture is made by my brother, we are both of Polish descent but live in Sweden, the BNP used his picture without authorization which happens quite a lot with my brothers work.
Here's a link to his image
http://colacola.se/expo_303.htm


I'm sorry to hear that. I hate when that kind of crap happens. It's pure theft. Your brother does very nice work. Hell, I thought they took a photo of a restored Spit.

I work for a US DoD contractor doing graphics etc. I used to do the same thing for the Navy and Joint Forces. At least that gives me some insight into military hardware that the average graphic artist isn't interested in.

[~~~~]

I've yet to meet a Polish scrounger in the UK . All the Poles I've met have a very strong work ethic - and drink like fish !

let me then introduce you Popek and his friends. they have their own work ethic and they live in your country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjvO-c5h9Ug&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJTCPRlUq3M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4WFGn3BZo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwje9DhNsI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ2okJlVkU4&feature=related




I'm happy to see them deal their problems far away from my place.

[tony6]

No, it sounds like some graphic artist that is ignorant of WWII British aircraft squadrons picked a photo that he or she thought looked cool, and it fit well with the design. It's as simple as that. It's also pretty funny.
Exactly my thoughts.
The graphic artist (whoever he was) picked this photo because of cool Donald Duck symbol painted and dozen of victories marked on the side of the airplane.
You don't have to be BoB historian to know that this was Jan Zumbach's Spitfire.

[CMNot]

What countries like Britain doesn't need on the other hand is millions of people that just come to live on welfare and doesn't even want to contribute to the society.

The Scum or the Daily Hate, which one is it you subscribe to?


Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a rant but, the Polish are the same as everybody else. Mixed bag of brilliant ones, good ones, average ones, morons and mickey takers.

[OnTheRocks]

;3970445']x2, Ain't that a b' -
Is your brother going to take any action against the BNP?


I don't think so, I doubt it to be honest, I think he's satisfied with the laughs that he got out of it not to mention the free publicity for his work from this ruckus

[nemowork]

Fair enough but tomorrow i have to go to work with the local BNP head of the 6 finger banjo playing ex-miners and i might just bring up the subject :lol:

[Ozzy[NO]]

The picture could have been used better in this situation. You have a British aircraft symbolising Britain, and that aircraft is piloted and marked with the flagg of a foreign country(in this case Poland). Far-fetched? Oh yes, the Polish were on our side after all. The Polish pilots have an outstanding record, and BNP would still look like complete and utter fools...hehe

[rgjbloke]

The Scum or the Daily Hate, which one is it you subscribe to?

neither, did you read the whole thing I posted?

[Havoc345]

The whole idea of a British Nationalist Party seems like an oxymoron as Britain is a multi-ethnic nation around the Isles. You got Irish, English, Highland Scots, Lowland Scots, Ulster Scots, Welsh, Cornish and I guess the Manx. Who's viewpoint are they truly trying to represent ? Most likely a Pro-English Anglican one.

I mean Britain historically has been a nation of immigrants. How did the Anglo-Saxons get there ? Did they just sprout up out of the ground ? No they immigrated like every other group. With any ethnic group your gonna find good and bad, but it's groups like the BNP who would rather ignore the ills of their communities and instead focus on Poles, Indians, Pakistanis and the small part of those communities that don't have their **** together.

[Eoin666]

Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a rant but, the Polish are the same as everybody else. Mixed bag of brilliant ones, good ones, average ones, morons and mickey takers. In fact, pretty representative of the human race really. I currently work in small scale construction and I have seen some really great work by poles and some appalling stuff as well but as I intimated above, everybody is the same. English, Irish, Welsh, Asian etc, doesn't matter, they all produce good and bad work, you just gotta find the ones who produce the good stuff. Don't forget as well that although in recent years there has been a large portion of younger Poles moving to Britain looking for work, there have always been significant Polish communities in Britain for several decades that I know of and probably a lot longer than that that I don't know of. As for claiming benefits, we have a benefits system. If they are entitled to it, they should get it the same as everybody else. What gets up my nose is organisations such as the BNP trying to stir crap up and set people against other people in their craving to try and achieve power, and if they had known that Spitfire was operated by a Polish Squadron, They most certainly wouldn't have used it in their publicity in spite of what they said in this article. The most telling part of this story is the fact that the Spitfire was being flown by a Polish pilot in defence of freedom and democracy against tyranny and oppression. Make your own judgements where the BNP would stand on those issues if it ever were to gain political control of Britain.

Nice one mate


Haha yep i'd have to agree with this. Especially in the service industry where alot of eastern europeans tend to go for, in general they're far more polite and friendly than the average.

They're no more polite or rude than anyone else. I stayed in a hotel in the Lake District recently and all the staff were east european, and bigger bunch of clueless fvckers I've yet to meet, but then the locals in the village were about as friendly as those in the Wickerman. But I didn't think 'damned those pesky east europeans coming over here taking all our service industry jobs'....I just thought 'fvck me I won't come here again'....

[Eoin666]

The whole idea of a British Nationalist Party seems like an oxymoron as Britain is a multi-ethnic nation around the Isles. You got Irish, English, Highland Scots, Lowland Scots, Ulster Scots, Welsh, Cornish and I guess the Manx. Who's viewpoint are they truly trying to represent ? Most likely a Pro-English Anglican one.

I mean Britain historically has been a nation of immigrants. How did the Anglo-Saxons get there ? Did they just sprout up out of the ground ? No they immigrated like every other group. With any ethnic group your gonna find good and bad, but it's groups like the BNP who would rather ignore the ills of their communities and instead focus on Poles, Indians, Pakistanis and the small part of those communities that don't have their **** together.

What they, the BNP, also the SNP and every other small minded nationalist pecker in this country forgets is that we were all British long before being anything else. A long forgotten part of our shared history we criminally ignore, usually at our own peril.

[Musashi]

Tighten up the welfare system and nobody will come here.
Insh'allah.
It's the best thing you can do. However please remember just about 1% of the Poles living in the UK live on the dole, while it's more than 40% of the immigrants from Asia and Africa AFAIK.
I can give you an example of a Polish girl, whom I worked with.
She gave a birth to her son at the beginning of 2008. She is not married to her partner, so her status is a 'single mother'. As a single mother she got a 2 bedroom flat in Coventry as well as a crapload of benefits. She does not pay for anything and lives with her partner who has a job as well as he does some illegal 'business'. A few months ago her brother moved to her flat and he pays her for renting a single bedroom. So she not only has the flat for free, but also earns money on it. It's really ridiculous. She was working 18 hours a week for some time but finally realised she does not need it as she has enough money paid from our taxes.
You should get rid of such people as fast as possible. Non-British citizens (including me) should not be allowed to live this way. When you sort it out the next phase should be the Britons whose situation is similar as described above. I mean the people who cheat.

[Tokamak]

She is a benefit thieve. If you are really sick of it then do something, otherwise you are part of the problem!.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/

[Musashi]

She is a benefit thieve. If you are really sick of it then do something, otherwise you are part of the problem!.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/
I think they would guess if I reported them very easily, because we are in a little conflict. I don't want to have my car damaged, etc. It would not be a problem if I lived in a different city.
Moreover the man, whom the girl lives with has a sister who is a single mother and gets the benefits. Her situation is similar, but she's really single. Besides their mother lives in the same way. He has a 16-year son a 18-year daughter and her husband lives in Poland. She's also paid for the flat and gets the benefits. Moreover she keeps bringing other children (including adult ones) from Poland and they live with her. I hate that woman, because she owes me the money, that I lent her to pay for the first deposit in the flat she rents. I know she is not going to give me them back as has not done it for 18 months. AFAIK her situation is not illegal, however she does not live in the way, that normal people should live. I mean arriving here just to live from benefits and bringing more children from Poland just to live in the same way is not something normal. Fortunately a vast majority of us neither live in this way nor approve it.

[Connaught Ranger]

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Tony Ward, 48, of Liverpool, was with fellow BNP members outside a pub in Leigh, Greater Manchester, last night, when he was attacked.
He needed 11 stitches.

The BNP members were with a party trailer outside the Ellesmere Pub, on St Helens Road, when Mr Ward was attacked with a claw hammer.

Party spokesman Dave Jones said: "A group of about 25 to 40 turned up armed with various weapons, bats, knives, and attacked about half a dozen of our people.

"They had obviously gone there to disrupt the meeting and attack people.
"It was sinister - they were so organised and had turned up to attack people rather than just demonstrate peacefully."

A fundraiser was due to take place at Pure nightclub in Leigh, but was cancelled at the last minute, added Mr Jones.

He said police told them they would object to future meetings there unless they moved the venue - which they did, arranging to go to the pub.

A Greater Manchester Police spokesman said: "I can confirm a man is in custody following a confrontation yesterday in the early evening on St Helens Road in Leigh.

"The victim sustained lacerations to the head and it does look like a hammer could have been used."

I do not condone the attack, but it seems they received a taste of their own bullyboy medicine.

Connaught Ranger.

[oldsoak]

The BNP could be treated as a laughable bunch of loony facists were it not for the fact that they have hit a chord that no-one else is prepared to do anything about - immigration and cultural erosion.
It is entirely possible to have strictly controlled immigration, stricter rules and better profiling of whom we let in and the ability to instanlty kick out those we dont want in the UK. FFS - we are an island, not some land locked country with borders impossible to police. Get that right and we've taken away the wind from the BNP sails. I am almost of the belief that the government is encouraging them to gain a foothold because its doing practically nothing.

[LazerLordz]

Xenophobic parties will only hasten the downfall of the nation they claim to protect. Globalisation is a fact of life, it cannot be stopped.

But like what Oldsoak said, globalisation and increased transnational flows can be managed through calibrated immigration policies which are more selective of the immigrant's talent, commitment and background, not wholesale "toss the foreigner out" lamebrain clamors.

[UK1RPO]

Epic fail by the BNP.

[Connaught Ranger]

BNP may face membership injunction
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The BNP could face an injunction over its membership policies

The Equality and Human Rights Commission said it had demanded that the party took action to address its constitution and membership criteria, employment (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/employment.html) practices and provision of services to the public and constituents.

The BNP was asked to provide written undertakings by July 20 that it will make the required changes or it could face a legal injunction.

The Commission said it believed the BNP's constitution and membership criteria may discriminate on the grounds of race and colour, contrary to the Race Relations Act.

The party's membership criteria appeared to restrict membership to those within what the BNP regarded as particular "ethnic groups" and those whose skin colour was white, according to the Commission.

"This exclusion is contrary to the Race Relations Act which the party is legally obliged to comply with. The Commission therefore thinks that the BNP may have acted, and be acting, illegally.

"The Commission has required the BNP to provide a written undertaking that it will not discriminate contrary to the Race Relations Act in its employment and recruitment policies, procedures and practices," the EHRC said in a statement.

"The BNP's website states that the party is looking to recruit people and states that any applicants should supply a membership number. The Commission thinks that this requirement is contrary to the Race Relations Act, which outlaws the refusal or deliberate omission to offer employment on the basis of non-membership of an organisation. The Commission is therefore concerned that the BNP may have acted, and be acting, illegally."

The Commission said it was also concerned that the BNP's elected representatives may not intend to offer or provide services on an equal basis to all their constituents and members of the public irrespective of race or colour, in contravention of the Race Relations Act and the Local Authority Model Code of Conduct.

The commission has received around 50 calls from members of the public recently about the BNP's membership policy, although it is believed that officials were already looking into the issue.

Another own goal by the British Numb nuts Partyrofl

Connaught Ranger.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Hopefully this will go all the way and the BNP subscription members will cancel their direct debits in disgust at the thought of non whitey being allowed to join. I do like to see the black shirts get a kick in c*nt every now and again.

[big_les]

oldsoak is exactly right - you can kill popular support for the BNP and return them to being a total laughing stock (as opposed to just mostly one) by emulating Australia or the US in immigration policy. Supposedly we're tightening things up soon anyway, but it needs to be well publicised so that everyone understands that something is being done to allay their concerns as far as the REAL problem of immigration (which is not to the same degree as many, inc the BNP think) goes.

The more difficult problem is the (British) national identity thing. We still haven't got used to being a small player, and that includes government! Meanwhile Scottish nationalism and even UK regionalism has taken off, and undermined what it means to be British.

I have little hope for the Conservatives, but the one thing you'd think they might be able to beat Labour at is reviving some benign version of patriotism in this godforsaken place.

[coltfan111]

i dont understand why you cant have great social values and benifits for only the nationals of the country..and call it national socialism or something....oh..
but seriously I would not be opposed to a kind of green card system to implimented here to make sure the labour coming into the country is correctly monitored..even my close polish friends who are students agree with me..i think the asylum issue is a much bigger problem as they are the ones "jumping the cues" ahead of british citizens in terms of housing etc..also the percieved threat of the growing influence of Islam isnt helping douse the fire started by the BNP..maybe the poster was meant to be a tribute to all the Polish volunteers who helped defend our shores in those same planes during the battle of Britain..I cant believe they forgot that little historical fact ..

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

oldsoak is exactly right - you can kill popular support for the BNP and return them to being a total laughing stock (as opposed to just mostly one) by emulating Australia or the US in immigration policy. Supposedly we're tightening things up soon anyway, but it needs to be well publicised so that everyone understands that something is being done to allay their concerns as far as the REAL problem of immigration (which is not to the same degree as many, inc the BNP think) goes.

The more difficult problem is the (British) national identity thing. We still haven't got used to being a small player, and that includes government! Meanwhile Scottish nationalism and even UK regionalism has taken off, and undermined what it means to be British.

I have little hope for the Conservatives, but the one thing you'd think they might be able to beat Labour at is reviving some benign version of patriotism in this godforsaken place.Successive British Govts since the 50's have let the national identity slip away especially Thatchers who actually felt contempt for Scotland. I see Cameron despite his posturing as a man who is very London centric and who will only further neglect the regions so you can expect further national decay.:|

[a_very_ex_STAB]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158970/BNP-shot-uses-POLISH-Spitfire-anti-immigration-campaign.html

What an irony;)

Just wondering

Why are you resurrecting an old story that was dead and buried months ago?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Successive British Govts since the 50's have let the national identity slip away especially Thatchers who actually felt contempt for Scotland. I see Cameron despite his posturing as a man who is very London centric and who will only further neglect the regions so you can expect further national decay.:|

Personally I think the Scots Nats have blown it. They might have had a chance in the pre-recession era but not now. This island is too small for these petty nationalisms and the creation of completely artificial divisions.

Failed in real politics- try the Scots Nats.:roll:

The Welsh Nats are an even bigger joke.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Personally I think the Scots Nats have blown it. They might have had a chance in the pre-recession era but not now. This island is too small for these petty nationalisms and the creation of completely artificial divisions.

Failed in real politics- try the Scots Nats.:roll:

The Welsh Nats are an even bigger joke.If anything the current economic crisis seems to be winning them votes and its a crisis that will pass. The incoming Conservative Govt will open up the regional wounds and along with a tanking economy its goodbye United Kingdom in the social sense at the very least.

[marktigger]

The Scots Nats and actually all the Northern Irish parties have blown it by showing how incompetent they are in government. Give the BNP enough rope and they will hang themselves.
Sorting out the mess that is our immigration scheme and demonstrating that we are removing failed asylum seekers is one step the government of any colour needs to do.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

If anything the current economic crisis seems to be winning them votes and its a crisis that will pass. The incoming Conservative Govt will open up the regional wounds and along with a tanking economy its goodbye United Kingdom in the social sense at the very least.

Swapping one form of union (where they are a major player) for another sort of union with the EU (in which they will be a minor bit part player competing with Latvia etc for subsidies). Now there's a mouth watering prospect for the porridge wogs ;-)

I trust that Scotland will repay England & Wales (with interest) for the sums paid to save Scotland from bankruptcy prior to the Act of Union :)

[Stormz_STA]

..even my close polish friends who are students agree with me...

Of course they agree. After all they wouldn't be subject to any kind of green card system if such were to be implemented in the UK.

[Connaught Ranger]

i dont understand why you cant have great social values and benifits for only the nationals of the country..and call it national socialism or something....oh..
but seriously I would not be opposed to a kind of green card system to implimented here to make sure the labour coming into the country is correctly monitored..even my close polish friends who are students agree with me..i think the asylum issue is a much bigger problem as they are the ones "jumping the cues" ahead of british citizens in terms of housing etc..also the percieved threat of the growing influence of Islam isnt helping douse the fire started by the BNP..maybe the poster was meant to be a tribute to all the Polish volunteers who helped defend our shores in those same planes during the battle of Britain..I cant believe they forgot that little historical fact ..

Well apparantly they did forget that fact, along with the fact they had no right to infringe copyright of the Polish artist who made the picture and they forgot to ask his permission to use it, your theory would be more credible if there was a slogan in British & Polish offering thanks to the Poles, seems they forgot about that too.:roll:

But then again, why would the BNP just thank the Poles? when many other European and Commenwealth countries of various race and creed made the supreme sacrifice to aid Great Britain in here time of need, is it because they were white skinned? :roll:

Connaught Ranger.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Well apparantly they did forget that fact, along with the fact they had no right to infringe copyright of the Polish artist who made the picture and they forgot to ask his permission to use it, your theory would be more credible if there was a slogan in British & Polish offering thanks to the Poles, seems they forgot about that too.:roll:

But then again, why would the BNP just thank the Poles? when many other European and Commenwealth countries of various race and creed made the supreme sacrifice to aid Great Britain in here time of need, is it because they were white skinned? :roll:

Connaught Ranger.

The greatest irony of it all is that, irt all this Spitfire 1940 stuff, if the Germans had won it would have been the BNP types wearing the jackboots and signing up to be the enforcers of the Nazis puppet government in Britain :roll:
BNP - the ultimate betrayers.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Swapping one form of union (where they are a major player) for another sort of union with the EU (in which they will be a minor bit part player competing with Latvia etc for subsidies). Now there's a mouth watering prospect for the porridge wogs ;-)

I trust that Scotland will repay England & Wales (with interest) for the sums paid to save Scotland from bankruptcy prior to the Act of Union :)We have played second fiddle for some time so nothing new. I would like to think we have been a decent partner and debts from times past will be forgotten we will of course do like wise.:) Our errant banks will settle up with you ASAP.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The Scots Nats and actually all the Northern Irish parties have blown it by showing how incompetent they are in government. Give the BNP enough rope and they will hang themselves.
Sorting out the mess that is our immigration scheme and demonstrating that we are removing failed asylum seekers is one step the government of any colour needs to do.I would like to see how the Scottish Govt incompetence stands up against Westminster perfection of late.p-)

[martinexsquaddie]

Iceland Norway Scotland the axis of finance or something :( 1 out of three not bad.
the Scottish parliament building :)
Westminster mps not incompetent just greedy and got caught

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Westminster mps not incompetent just greedy and got caughtI would say they have been criminally incompetent in their fiscal affairs at Westminster.

[oldsoak]

I would like to see how the Scottish Govt incompetence stands up against Westminster perfection of late.p-)

:lol:

oh come on, give the Scots mp's a chance !
We've been fiddling for years - your mob have only just started.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

:lol:

oh come on, give the Scots mp's a chance !
We've been fiddling for years - your mob have only just started.Being untrusting and fiscally mean we make our MSP's jump through flaming hoops when they submit expenses plus Mr Retired Withnothingelsetodo can get a copy of said expenses and ask why they have a subscription to Razzle.:)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Being untrusting and fiscally mean we make our MSP's jump through flaming hoops when they submit expenses plus Mr Retired Withnothingelsetodo can get a copy of said expenses and ask why they have a subscription to Razzle.:)

Lets face it though corruption and incompetence is rife in the Scottish local government structure and has been for years. The only reason Scottish politicians went into the Scots Nazis is because they couldn't push their way through all the competing Labour snouts in the trough so they decided to make their own.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Lets face it though corruption and incompetence is rife in the Scottish local government structure and has been for years. The only reason Scottish politicians went into the Scots Nazis is because they couldn't push their way through all the competing Labour snouts in the trough so they decided to make their own.Scottish LA's are bent and depend very heavily on their respective Westminster betters to keep their feet dry admittedly its a problem but having planning application experience in England and NI I know that Scotland is not alone.
I go as far its say that becoming an SNP politician is an ideological choice at the moment but that may change as the SP matures and we inherit some of the waifs and strays of Westminster.

[coltfan111]

[QUOTE=StormzSTA;4219731]Of course they agree. After all they wouldn't be subject to any kind of green card system if such were to be implemented in the UK.
thats my point..its not a race issue, its the point that you cant have hundreds of thousands of unchecked job seekers pour into a country in such a short period of time..a lot better restrictions are needed, even other Poles agree..anybody with common sense does. The BNP are unforgivably moronic but are gaining ground for other unforgivably moronic policies by our current government..everything needs checks and balances..Students here are very well tracked and pay alot of money to go to our university's; they have a very valid reason to be here.

[coltfan111]

[QUOTE=Connaught Ranger;4219806]Well apparantly they did forget that fact, along with the fact they had no right to infringe copyright of the Polish artist who made the picture and they forgot to ask his permission to use it, your theory would be more credible if there was a slogan in British & Polish offering thanks to the Poles, seems they forgot about that too.:roll:
I hope you realize I was pointing out the burning hypocrisy of the poster and not defending the BNP :)