PDA

View Full Version : Trading Places: China and the U.S.



Fage
03-07-2009, 04:22 AM
Thursday, Mar. 05, 2009

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2009/0903/china_0305.jpg

It would not be fair to compare Mao Zedong to either President Bush or President Obama. Neither has swum the Yangtze River and neither was a rabid communist. Mao created the central government system that is currently being dismantled. Bush and Obama may be remembered by historians as the American leaders who centralized much of the financial and industrial portions of the U.S. economy.

China (http://www.time.com/time/topics/china/0,30939,,00.html) and the U.S. are passing one another going in opposite directions. Deng Xiaoping, who ran China after Mao had become a tourist attraction lying in a glass box in Beijing, began moving the country to a capitalist economy. By the time he died in 1997, China had begun vigorous trade with the outside world leading to remarkable years of GDP growth. (See pictures of China's electronic waste village (http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1870162_1822148,00.html).)

China now allows most of it major companies to be privatized and traded on public stock exchanges. It is the largest owner of U.S. Treasuries in the world and a major investor in private businesses through its sovereign wealth fund. The Chinese banking system has clearly been developed by the government to encourage the creation of private enterprise. Parts of the financial and commercial structure of China are still owned by the state, but the government's once-famous totalitarian grip on the economy appears to be loosening some each year.

The liberalization of China's business may recede to some extent because the recession will cause the level of government support for the economy to grow to keep GDP from contracting. The nation's prime minister says GDP will grow 8% this year, which seems nearly impossible. But if the government does have to offer financial support to the banks and industry, it will certainly come with some strings attached and may even cause the central government to take larger shares in businesses that it had planed to privatize.

But, the move in China seems to be relentlessly toward a free market economy. Because China has a rich treasury, it can afford to support a rotation to privatization without the immediate concern that its government will be troubled by huge deficits.

The U.S. faces both large deficits and the need to take de facto control of parts of the credit, financial, and industrial sectors. In effect, the amount of the nation's economic activity controlled by the government will rise to a level which would have been unimaginable even months ago.
There is no way to predict what the American or Chinese system will look like in ten years. If the recession in the U.S. lasts another two years, the amount of GDP that is effectively under government control will increase rapidly as the Administration and Congress do whatever they can to keep large industries from collapsing.

On the other side of the Pacific, China may have the luxury of having an economy that continues to expand, even if it is at a much slower rate than at any time over the last decade. China can bankroll privatizations without worrying that the wealthy residents of the country will fight it in the legislature.

By the end of the downturn, the U.S. may look more like China than China does, at least economically.
— Douglas A. McIntyre

Source:http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1883278,00.html

Chimera
03-07-2009, 04:25 AM
China can bankroll privatizations without worrying that the wealthy residents of the country will fight it in the legislature.

Of course they won't!

2Sheds_Jackson
03-07-2009, 11:01 PM
For better or worse, Obama's plans are ensuring the US will be more socialist. It remains to be seen whether those steps will be permanent, or whether those assets will eventually be sold back. On China's side - the government may have cash and a compliant elite class, but their pressure is coming from the other end of the spectrum. Tens of thousands of factories have closed and unemployment is skyrocketing. My guess is that they'll have to pour hundreds of billions into social spending to maintain political stability. There's no free lunch.

lzdbb
03-08-2009, 10:08 AM
p-)
For better or worse, Obama's plans are ensuring the US will be more socialist. It remains to be seen whether those steps will be permanent, or whether those assets will eventually be sold back. On China's side - the government may have cash and a compliant elite class, but their pressure is coming from the other end of the spectrum. Tens of thousands of factories have closed and unemployment is skyrocketing. My guess is that they'll have to pour hundreds of billions into social spending to maintain political stability. There's no free lunch.

yeah, i am also afraid that usa will become ussr.:)

firemedic
03-08-2009, 08:33 PM
Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. That example of Socialism is not one to aspire to.

bd popeye
03-08-2009, 09:30 PM
Make no mistake about it. China is a high roller in todays World economy. A truly great economic power.

However...The author of the article, of course, failed to mention that China has it's own $586 billion dollar stimulus plan.(read below) Not to mention the recently 20 million now unemployed migrant workes or the numerous factory closings in the last few months in China. Nor the Millions upon millions of recently unemployed Chinese.



Read the entire article here;

http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=14600

BEIJING — Investors welcomed China's multibillion-dollar stimulus package but analysts said Monday the plan will depend on Chinese companies to supply a big share of the spending.


Stock markets in Japan, Hong Kong and mainland China soared after Sunday's announcement of the 4 trillion yuan, or $586 billion, package as Beijing joined moves by governments around the world to cushion the blow of the global slowdown.
http://www.irrawaddy.org/articlefiles/13099-10_nov_3.jpgA Chinese investor gestures as he sits in front of an electronic board showing stock information at a brokerage house in the financial district of Beijing on November 10. (Photo: Ruters)The plan calls for higher government spending on roads, airports and other infrastructure, tax deductions for exporters and bigger subsidies to the poor and farmers. Spending on health and education will be increased, as well as on environmental protection and high technology.

But it also depends on corporate investment and promises bank lending for rural projects, smaller companies and consumers.


"I don't believe a fiscal stimulus alone is enough to keep growth going. I see it as the jump-starting of a car. Corporate investment and bank lending are the fuel that will be necessary to keep it going," said UBS Securities economist Tao Wang.


Beijing might supply one-quarter of the announced spending, or 1 trillion yuan ($145 billion), with the rest coming from increased investment by Chinese state companies, bank lending or bond sales by local authorities for individual projects, said Ting Lu, a Merrill Lynch economist.


"Many state companies have a lot of cash. They just need to use it," Lu said.


Sound familar???

READ the text of the photos below. These little snippets are news you won't hear on your nightly news cast.

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/39010a2032fb1fe2303e06165ef0165a.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#39010a2032fb1fe2303e06165ef0165a.jpg)


A group of jobseekers rush to put in their applications as thousands of unemployed Chinese graduates flock to a job fair in Wuhan, central China's Hubei province on March 7, 2009. China vowed to help train one million unemployed graduates in the next three years to boost their qualifications, and promised loans to business that hire graduates and to graduates seeking to start businesses, as unemployment stemming from the world financial crisis grow with at least 20 million migrant workers had already lost their jobs.http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/65549aab6ca0b93be70ceeb5fe6f946a.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#65549aab6ca0b93be70ceeb5fe6f946a.jpg)


Security guards walk past containers at a port in Shanghai March 8, 2009. China's port container volume in February fell 17 percent from a year ago, the Xinhua news agency reported on Sunday, reflecting a persistent slowdown in the country's export sector.http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/1e73d6f95f11c566fa03893542757b65.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#1e73d6f95f11c566fa03893542757b65.jpg)


Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, center, arrives for a National People's Congress press conference in Beijing, China, Saturday, March 7, 2009. Yang said China wants next month's summit of major powers to produce a boost for the global economy and called for closer cooperation with the United States to deal with the global crisis.http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/d10fe3fcf463231b36e8871827c31d46.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#d10fe3fcf463231b36e8871827c31d46.jpg)


Thousands of job seekers gather at a job fair in Hefei, eastern China's Anhui province, in Hefei, east China's Anhui province on March 7, 2009. The number of labour-related law suits nearly doubled in China in 2008 as layoffs spiked due to the global economic crisis, as China could boost a four trillion yuan (585 billion USD) stimulus package if it proves inadequate in boosting growth during the crisis, the nation's top planner said.http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/7eb78e1de2f555623d73069b80d86bcd.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#7eb78e1de2f555623d73069b80d86bcd.jpg)


A garbage collector reads newspaper stories about the opening of the annual session of China's legislature, in Lanzhou, in northwest China's Gansu province Friday March 6, 2009. In his opening speech Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao announced job creation programs for urban Chinese and more welfare for the poor and farmers who have benefited less from recent years of torrid growth and are more ****e to protest as the economic situation worsens. (AP Photo)http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/fe6f0642819208d190de7351ea53c535.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#fe6f0642819208d190de7351ea53c535.jpg)


Employees from Chinese carmaker Brilliance Automotive work on the production line at a factory in Shenyang, Liaoning province March 5, 2009. China's Premier Wen Jiabao said substantial government spending was needed to counter the global financial crisis, while urging a role for private investment in fighting what he warned may be greater hardship ahead.http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/43344e9fdd1d12db5f9762abad9bce60.jpg (http://www.dezh.de/#43344e9fdd1d12db5f9762abad9bce60.jpg)


SHENYANG, CHINA - MARCH 3: (CHINA OUT) A migrant worker searches steel bars from the ruins of a demolished building at a construction site on March 3, 2009 in Shenyang of Liaoning Province, China. According to state media, the tough employment situation will be one of the main topics at this year's annual parliamentary sessions, the National People's Congress (NPC) and Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) which started today. According to the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security, China's urban registered unemployment rate climbed to 4.2 percent in December 2008, its highest level in 5 years. (Photo by China Photos/***** Images)