China warns world against hosting Dalai Lama

[xav]

By Ben Blanchard

BEIJING (*******) - China's foreign minister, speaking ahead of two sensitive anniversaries next week, warned other countries on Saturday not to let the Dalai Lama use their territory to try to sever Tibet from Chinese control.

Beijing abruptly cancelled a China-EU summit last year, angry over French President Nicolas Sarkozy's meeting with the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader whom Beijing condemns as a separatist.

The Dalai Lama, who fled Tibet in March 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule, says he only wants greater autonomy for the remote region in China's far west rather than outright independence.

"In developing relations with China, other countries should not allow the Dalai Lama to visit their countries and should not allow their territories to be used for the Dalai Lama to engage in separatist activities for Tibet's independence," Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said.

"I think this is an integral part of the norms governing international relations," he told a news conference on the sidelines of the annual meeting of parliament.

The 50th anniversary of the Nobel Peace Prize-winning monk's flight into exile falls on Tuesday. Also, on March 14 last year, Lhasa erupted into riots that killed 19 mostly Han Chinese or Hui Muslim shopkeepers.

"The Dalai Lama's side still insists on establishing a so-called Greater Tibet on a quarter of Chinese territory. They want to drive away Chinese armed forces on Chinese territory and ask all non-Tibetans to relocate themselves, people who have long spent their lives on that part of Chinese territory. You call this person a religious figure?" Yang said.

"Would Germany, France or other countries accept that a quarter of their territory be separated? Please keep in mind that China was always a supporter of German reunification."
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http://in.*******.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-38393220090307

[gaijinsamurai]

Don't these idiots realize that their childish behavior only serves to reinforce the popularity of the Dalai Lama?

[tercio67]

Don't these idiots realize that their childish behavior only serves to reinforce the popularity of the Dalai Lama?

They believe, coming from a country where the governments statements are taken as fact, everybody should see the world as they do (or else...).

[LineDoggie]

Anyone hear Bugles?

Cue Chinabots in 3,2,1................

[1911-a1]

So we should send him to the moon or wat.

[Chimera]

Cue Chinabots in 3,2,1................

This thread is no fun without them.:(

[I-Tankman]

Send us back the Dalai Lama or we will retreive him with our special forces!!!!!

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7182/08chinprep.jpg

[BXDOMINICANO]

Wish the world would grow a pair and tell china to eat it.

[Ordie]

China warns world against hosting Dalai Lama

So what will happen to India?

Empty threats

[Johnny_H02]

Don't these idiots realize that their childish behavior only serves to reinforce the popularity of the Dalai Lama?
/agreed if the Chinese just pointed out that the Dalai Lama is just a relic of an ancient Caste System where torture and subjugation were common place as well as someone who has the nerve to proclaim himself as "His Holiness" and left it at that people might wise up to this man and see how fraudulent his "Holy" status really is.

The Dalai Lama could be a very charming and well meaning fellow I have seen no indication hes a cretin like some of the other religious figures trolling the real life internets of the world but I'm naturally skeptical of anyone who claims they are "Holy" in any way shape or form.

[Ordie]

The Dalai Lama couldn't ask for better free publicity than Chinese Goverment's press releases.

[Johnny_H02]

The Dalai Lama couldn't ask for better free publicity than Chinese Goverment's press releases.
Of course all controversial figures love quote en quote "bad press" to use a more trivial example just look at Hiphop artists they thrived off Politicians in the early 90's saying their brand/style of music was the corruption of American youth and they sold millions of copies as a result.

You tell people what they cant or shouldn't have and they value it more.

[Ordie]

Beijing should learn from Britney Spears that no publicity is bad publicity.

[ex Strathcona]

china bots not showing up? colour me disappointed :(

[Johnny_H02]

Beijing should learn from Britney Spears that no publicity is bad publicity.
Seriously thats a great example that brawd went batsh*t bald and fat and still came back.

[LineDoggie]

china bots not showing up? colour me disappointed :(
Maybe there was a Purge this weekend?

[Toolhead]

Alll hail china


there is no i there is only we.

[BloodyTalon]

china bots not showing up? colour me disappointed :(
I know Shuimo got suspended after his "Kneel before the Middle Kingdom!" thread. Dunno about the others though.

[TR1]

Leave China Alone!!!

[gaijinsamurai]

Leave China Alone!!!

Chicom sympathizer!

[Johnny_H02]

Its hard not to sympathize, their SF have Segways....

[chino65]

I went to a Bjork concert in Shanghai and at the end of the concert she shouted "Tibet! Tibet!".

I was quite disappointed because I was a huge fan of Bjork. I paid good money for a ticket to be entertained, not to listen to her political viewpoints. I can do that for free, here on the net.

Performers voicing their disagreement with China is one thing. It's everyone's right.

Performers being invited to come to China, making money in China, and then making an anti-China statement, is... not very tasteful.

I would have a lot more respect for her if she had refused to come to China stating her disagreements.

...

And now, Oasis concert is canceled because one of the chaps played in a Free Tibet concert. Again, I think Oasis should have had more spine in the first place than to even think of performing in a country they hate.

Bodyshop is a great example. They frequently criticized China in the past. As a result, they have no presence in China. Never mind that they would've made millions more in revenue each year if they are in China. But they had the balls to criticize China and make less money for it. Hurrah.

It is people like Oasis and Bjork that are dubious. If they want to hate a country they should follow through and boycott it completely and not attempt to sneak in hoping the CCP has forgotten.

If they are just money makers like the rest of us, they should just shut up about politics and get on with it.

[Atlantic Friend]

I know Shuimo got suspended after his "Kneel before the Middle Kingdom!" thread. Dunno about the others though.

More like for racist-tainted comments, though the thread was indeed a great moment in "We are all good and you will do as we please"

[ex Strathcona]

I went to a Bjork concert in Shanghai and at the end of the concert she shouted "Tibet! Tibet!".

I was quite disappointed because I was a huge fan of Bjork.

Performers voicing their disagreement with China is one thing. It's everyone's right.

Performers being invited to come to China, making money in China, and then making an anti-China statement, is... not very tasteful.

I paid good money for a ticket to be entertained, not to listen to anyone's political viewpoints. I can do that for free, here on the net.

I would have a lot more respect for her if she had refused to come to China stating her disagreements.

And now, Oasis concert is canceled because one of the chaps played in a Free Tibet concert. Again, I think Oasis should have a lot more spine than to come and perform in a country they hate.

understandable, if i went to a concert and the band went on a rant about some cause i would be a bit put off as well.

[ex Strathcona]

More like for racist-tainted comments, though the thread was indeed a great moment in "We are all good and you will do as we please"

that thread got me through a very dull shift at work :)

to bad he turned out to be racially motivated in the end though ;)

[Atlantic Friend]

that thread got me through a very dull shift at work :)

to bad he turned out to be racially motivated in the end though ;)

I actually regret he got banned and the thread was locked, though. The initial question, while biased as Hell, was quite valid, and it would have been interesting to have a no-holds-barred debate about China's place in the sun.

[ex Strathcona]

I actually regret he got banned and the thread was locked, though. The initial question, while biased as Hell, was quite valid, and it would have been interesting to have a no-holds-barred debate about China's place in the sun.

agreed, i was enjoying the debate and he certainly was entertaining
liked his smiley icons a bit too much though :p

[Atlantic Friend]

agreed, i was enjoying the debate and he certainly was entertaining
liked his smiley icons a bit too much though :p

Nah, ya think ? (bash stab slap lol bash) ;)

Back to topic, I really cannot understand this Chinese obsession. The Dalai Lama should not be invited. He should not be talked to. Next time, what will it be ? Nobody should even talk OF the Dalai Lama because it insults the Chinese nation ?

China controls Tibet, manages all things Tibetan, exerts a complete power over Tibet. Why hasn't they tried defusing Western sympathy over Tibet by granting the region some form of limited autonomy, or of special treatment ? That would silence a lot of critics abroad, and I'm sure there'd be Tibetans ready to trade some of their moral high road for an easier life.

[chino65]

Why hasn't they tried defusing Western sympathy over Tibet by granting the region some form of limited autonomy, or of special treatment ? That would silence a lot of critics abroad, and I'm sure there'd be Tibetans ready to trade some of their moral high road for an easier life.

Actually, they aren't exactly enslaving the Tibetans.

No, don't shut me off yet.

The Tibetans have been given more special privileges than you think. But often misguided. Example, Shanghai donated a whole fleet of brand spanking new motorised farming tractors. They lay rusting because the Tibetans don't farm much.

China built schools and roads all over the country etc. But Tibetans may not necessarily want to be schooled anywhere other than the monastery.

Other examples is that Tibetans can travel to any part of China and sell stuff on the street without fear of arrest. Such rights are accorded to all minorities not just Tibetans.

I was in Tibet for 3 weeks and I see many Tibetans being quite prosperous. And a National Geographic article interviewed Tibetans who said they have done rather well after the country was forced to open its doors.

So as usual, there's many sides to a story. People decide which side is relevant.

Of course, it is undeniable that what the Tibetans REALLY want - religious and political freedom - they ain't getting. But the majority Han Chinese aren't doing that well in those departments either. So in a sense, both Han and Tibetans are equal in their lack of political and religious freedom...

I'm not saying this make it better for the Tibetans... just that it is untrue they are singled out for bad treatment. Quite the opposite as the CCP is trying the soft approach with the Tibetans. Success or not only time will tell.

[ren0312]

Nah, ya think ? (bash stab slap lol bash) ;)

Back to topic, I really cannot understand this Chinese obsession. The Dalai Lama should not be invited. He should not be talked to. Next time, what will it be ? Nobody should even talk OF the Dalai Lama because it insults the Chinese nation ?

China controls Tibet, manages all things Tibetan, exerts a complete power over Tibet. Why hasn't they tried defusing Western sympathy over Tibet by granting the region some form of limited autonomy, or of special treatment ? That would silence a lot of critics abroad, and I'm sure there'd be Tibetans ready to trade some of their moral high road for an easier life.

On paper the Chinese government already gives the Tibetians of lot of autonomy, their language in an official language in Tibet, and there is Tibetian instruction in government schools in Tibet in the primary level, on paper. What else can the Chinese government reasonably grant them that will not result in a SU style breakup of China? The amount of autonomy that the Tibetians recieve from China is far more than what my ethnic group recieves, we have to follow the same laws as the rest of the population, Chinese is not an official language in Binondo, Santa Cruz, and San Nicholas, and instructions in our public schools are only done in the 2 official languages, English and Filipino, anybody who wants to recieve an education in the Chinese language has to go to private schools, which are usually quite expensive, the sames goes with pretty much every minority group in my country except for the Moros, who have their own special autonomous region, and yet you do not see the ethnic Chinese, Korean, and Indian community complaining that the government is systematically oppresing them right?

[chino65]

...yet you do not see the ethnic Chinese, Korean, and Indian community complaining that the government is systematically oppresing them right?

I usually speak for China, yet in your case my friend, it is different.

Philippines was never a Chinese homeland. Your ancestors chose to emigrate to a Filipino homeland. So you can't really expect Philippines to give every immigrant group such rights.

The Moros - like 'em or hate 'em - are native or indigenous to...well erm... "Moro-land".

Given time, the Philippines might one day recognise Chinese. But the continued difficult politics between China and Philippines might mean continued suppression of Chinese Filipino culture. Unfortunately.

[Fishbed]

I don't get the Chinese psyche. Why are they warning the world against "hosting" the Dalai Lama when he is living just across the mountains in India? Is he not living in exile because of China? Way to go on a witch hunt of a non-voilent, peace-loving human being. :|

[chino65]

I don't get the Chinese psyche. Why are they warning the world against "hosting" the Dalai Lama when he is living just across the mountains in India? Is he not living in exile because of China? Way to go on a witch hunt of a non-voilent, peace-loving human being. :|

Because China's greatest strength - its huge population - is also its greatest weakness.

China does not fear an invasion by anyone else. But internal turmoil - example Tibet - can rip the country apart.

And fear, as you know, can cause people to act in ways you may not understand.

[Dr_ColoSSus]

China does not fear an invasion by anyone else. But internal turmoil - example Tibet - can rip the country apart.

I fail to see how letting go of, or at least granting autonomy to, tibet will weaken China as a potential superpower. They are just unsure of themselves because the have been dominated by other nations for so long. I call it ' small **** syndrome'. Reminds me of that south park episode. NK suffers from the same thing thing. Why else would China put a man in space 40 years after the US/USSSR? No one else is impressed anymore.

[Ordie]

I'm of the belief that the issues within Tibet is symbiotic with the issues within rural China. Add to that a government who's legitimacy is based upon economic growth, nationalism, and a Central Committee made up entirely of middle aged, male, Han Chinese princelings.

When the locals do not feel they have a stake in the system, they are going to vent against the system.

[Fishbed]

When the locals do not feel they have a stake in the system, they are going to vent against the system.

Absolutely. That is what baffles me about the Chinese psyche. In order to prevent such a situation from arising they venture out on a totally different path. I see this approach working in the short term, but China is not a democracy with 4-5 year terms.

[matthew.manhorn]

Who politicize the Tibetan issue first? Did China start the whole "Free Tibet" thing during the Olympics? I don't think so.

It's quite funny of how people are paying attention to China's actions and disappointed to see no chi-com bots around since they can't spew out their xenophobic rhetorics towards the Chinese people.

[seraosha]

Who politicize the Tibetan issue first? Did China start the whole "Free Tibet" thing during the Olympics? I don't think so.

It's quite funny of how people are paying attention to China's actions and disappointed to see chi-com bots since they can't spew out their xenophobic rhetoric towards the Chinese people.

Wat? Engrish, do you speak it?

[matthew.manhorn]

Wat? Engrish, do you speak it?

some typos, sry about that

[TheMiddlePath]

I don't get the Chinese psyche. Why are they warning the world against "hosting" the Dalai Lama when he is living just across the mountains in India? Is he not living in exile because of China? Way to go on a witch hunt of a non-voilent, peace-loving human being. :|

To answer your question.
What China is saying is that Dalai Lama is not just a religious leader. A religious leader do not kick out all non-Tibetan people, the PLA out of "Greater Tibet" which is 25% of China. He is also a political leader.

Secondly, why do countries like France allow their territories to be used by the Dalai Lama to harm China's interest. In simple non diplomatic English, DL is using France to promote Tibet Independance, and harming China.

And what about India ? You ask. India has an agreement with China not to allow DL to make use of its territorries to harm China's interest. Just as China do not allow its territory to be used by India's seperatists forces to harm India. So in simple non-diplomatic English. it is India's responsibility to stop all activities by the Dalai Lama which are deem seperatists activities.

[TheMiddlePath]

I went to a Bjork concert in Shanghai and at the end of the concert she shouted "Tibet! Tibet!".

I was quite disappointed because I was a huge fan of Bjork. I paid good money for a ticket to be entertained, not to listen to her political viewpoints. I can do that for free, here on the net.

Performers voicing their disagreement with China is one thing. It's everyone's right.

Performers being invited to come to China, making money in China, and then making an anti-China statement, is... not very tasteful.

I would have a lot more respect for her if she had refused to come to China stating her disagreements.

...

And now, Oasis concert is canceled because one of the chaps played in a Free Tibet concert. Again, I think Oasis should have had more spine in the first place than to even think of performing in a country they hate.

Bodyshop is a great example. They frequently criticized China in the past. As a result, they have no presence in China. Never mind that they would've made millions more in revenue each year if they are in China. But they had the balls to criticize China and make less money for it. Hurrah.

It is people like Oasis and Bjork that are dubious. If they want to hate a country they should follow through and boycott it completely and not attempt to sneak in hoping the CCP has forgotten.

If they are just money makers like the rest of us, they should just shut up about politics and get on with it.

The French now bitch about how China mixing Politic and Auction.

Entertainment is BIG money in China.
http://www.youtube.com/v/wxwRX4dEys8

[ren0312]

I'm of the belief that the issues within Tibet is symbiotic with the issues within rural China. Add to that a government who's legitimacy is based upon economic growth, nationalism, and a Central Committee made up entirely of middle aged, male, Han Chinese princelings.

When the locals do not feel they have a stake in the system, they are going to vent against the system.

The way I see it, the Tibetian independence movment is ethno nationalist in nature, and thus has similarities to nationalist movements in Europe in the 19th century, the FSU in the 1990's and Yugoslavia.

[Ordie]

What China is saying is that Dalai Lama is not just a religious leader.

By whose definition?


He is also a political leader.

Therefore you recognize the Dalai Lama as the political leader of Tibet.

[Ordie]

The way I see it, the Tibetian independence movment is ethno nationalist in nature, and thus has similarities to nationalist movements in Europe in the 19th century, the FSU in the 1990's and Yugoslavia.

Whenever a religious or ethinic group is persecuted, cultural and religious identity becomes amplified. Often as a means to differenciate themsleves from the enemy.

Ironically, the Chinese youth that are becoming more interested in Buddhism. Including the Tibetian Buddhism.



China's Spiritual Awakening

Why a growing number of successful urban professionals are flocking to Buddhism

by Dexter Roberts (http://www.businessweek.com/print/bios/Dexter_Roberts.htm)
In early December, Beijing's in-crowd converged on the central business district for the opening of the Kunlun gallery. Sipping Veuve Clicquot and Mumm champagne, the real estate tycoons, stock market warriors, and Prada-clad celebrities gawked at Ming Dynasty Buddhist statuary and 15th century scroll paintings.
Four Tibetan art works eventually fetched $3.4 million and, at a follow-up auction eight days later, 87 pieces of Buddhist art netted $10.4 million. For the gallery's proprietor, a half-Tibetan, half-Chinese entrepreneur named Yi Xi Ping Cuo, 35, the brisk business was another testament to the popularity of Buddhism in China. "Every year there are millions more Buddhists," says Yi. "Of course they want to put a Buddhist statue in their homes to make their hearts peaceful."
Buddhism is booming—quite a paradox given the Communist Party's official atheism and its troubled relationship with the Dalai Lama. The faith's growing popularity reflects a yearning for meaning among China's yuppies, who increasingly are attracted to Buddhism's rejection of materialism and emphasis on the transitory nature of life. "They have a BMW and a house in the countryside," says Lawrence Brahm, an American who runs three boutique hotels, including one in Tibet. "And they're bored. They're realizing there's more to life than collecting toys." Buddhism's trendiness has spawned a surge in faith-related business: Flights to the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, are booked solid, monasteries are building guesthouses, and Web sites offering free downloadable mantras are proliferating.
Buddhism arrived in China from India in the first century A.D. and flourished right up to the modern era. After the Communists seized power in 1949, they discouraged religion. But like Christianity, Buddhism never entirely disappeared. Some believers continued quietly to practice at altars set up in their homes. And not long after China embraced market forces in the late 1970s and '80s, the faith reemerged in the countryside, with peasants visiting refurbished temples, where they burned incense and prayed.
Despite opening up, China remains wary of religious groups. Its relations with Rome, while improved in recent years, are hardly friendly. And some seven years ago the authorities crushed the Falun Gong, which the government deemed an unacceptable threat after 10,000 sect members showed up in Beijing to protest their official ostracism. But the government is comfortable with Buddhism. "Buddhists seldom mess with politics," says Chan Koon Chung, a writer and Buddhist in Beijing. "So it's more palatable to the government." In a recent speech President Hu Jintao even suggested that religion, including Buddhism, could help to ease tensions between the haves and the have-nots.
In the past few years, the faith has been resonating with the white-collar class. As China clocks its fifth year of double-digit growth, working 12 hours a day and on weekends is de rigueur. Li Xinglu once typified the breed: hard-working, successful, unfulfilled. She ran an events-promotion firm and brought the likes of Ricky Martin, Boyz II Men, and the Dance Theater of Harlem to Beijing and Shanghai. She mixed with pop stars, diplomats, and entrepreneurs. But something was missing. "I was smoking, drinking, and spending all night in the clubs," says Li, who is 39 and married to an American fund manager. "I spent a lot of time chasing happiness."
A recurring dream about her grandmother's death and conversations with a spiritually inclined colleague got her thinking. Before long, Li was on a plane bound for the northwestern city of Xining. After a 21-hour Jeep ride across the Tibetan plateau, she arrived at the Tse-Reh monastery. There Li met her teacher, a 19-year-old monk who set her on a new path. Today, Li has put her career on hold and focuses instead on charitable acts, including raising money for an orphanage for Tibetan children. She credits her conversion for halting a downward spiral. "I didn't understand there was such a thing as a soul or spirit," says Li.
Not long ago, young upwardly mobile Chinese flew to places such as Thailand for the sun, sea, and sand. Now, like Li, many are heading to Buddhist retreats at home. Temples are being refurbished for the tourist hordes. Jade Buddha Temple in Shanghai is now one of China's top Buddhist destinations. The 126-year-old monastery runs its own 44-room hotel (double occupancy: $134) and sells lucky amulets, DVDs of monks reciting mantras, and other spiritual paraphernalia. (Monks hoping to maximize profits are even attending MBA programs that offer temple-management classes.)
WELCOME RESPITE

In November, the chamber of commerce in coastal Xiamen sponsored the second annual Buddhist Items & Crafts fair. More than 40,000 entrepreneurs descended on the vast Xiamen International Conference & Exhibition Center and loaded up on statuary, prayer beads, incense burners, and other goods. "This is a huge commercial opportunity," says Xuan Fang, who teaches religious studies at the People's University in Beijing. "A string of prayer beads that may be worth no more than one yuan could sell for dozens of yuan in a temple."
Some traditionalists fret that Buddhism is becoming too trendy. Exhibit A: pop diva Faye Wong, a convert whose videos sometimes feature Buddhist images. And some monasteries focus as much on attracting tourists as practicing the faith. "Commercialization," says professor Xuan, "is one of the most dangerous trends of Chinese Buddhism." Still, for stressed-out yuppies, Buddhism is a respite from the rat race. "Society brings so many headaches," says Nikki Xi, a convert who works for a Web ad agency. "I'm more relaxed. [Buddhism] makes the whole work process smoother."

Source:http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/08_03/b4067050290718.htm

[chino65]

I fail to see how letting go of, or at least granting autonomy to, tibet will weaken China as a potential superpower. They are just unsure of themselves because the have been dominated by other nations for so long. I call it ' small **** syndrome'. Reminds me of that south park episode. NK suffers from the same thing thing. Why else would China put a man in space 40 years after the US/USSSR? No one else is impressed anymore.

Woah...

Try not to offend the whole Chinese nation/people/history.

I am rather proud that China sent a man into space, and I am not even Chinese by nationality.

If for example the Ethiopians sent a man into space 10 years later, they would also feel very proud and I don't see why anyone should say "no one is impressed anymore" etc.

You don't realise that China wants to impress its OWN people, not unimportant and insignificant foreigners like you (or me).

So, are the Chinese people impressed/proud? HECK YES.

...

I don't know a lot about China, but more than you since I have my feet on the ground here for the past 7 years.

In theory, letting go of Tibet is to give green light to ALL other regions within China seeking independence/autonomy.

IMO holding on to Tibet and Xinjiang will cause less damage than losing it. For now, there are only insignificant little protests overseas and weak Tibetan uprisings to deal with. In theory, given time, even these will diminish.

Or if you have faith, which DL obviously seem to do, a new generation of leaders might find a good solution.

[ren0312]

Woah...

Try not to offend the whole Chinese nation/people/history.

I am rather proud that China sent a man into space, and I am not even Chinese by nationality.

If for example the Ethiopians sent a man into space 10 years later, they would also feel very proud and I don't see why anyone should say "no one is impressed anymore" etc.

You don't realise that China wants to impress its OWN people, not unimportant and insignificant foreigners like you (or me).

So, are the Chinese people impressed/proud? HECK YES.

...

I don't know a lot about China, but more than you since I have my feet on the ground here for the past 7 years.

In theory, letting go of Tibet is to give green light to ALL other regions within China seeking independence/autonomy.

IMO holding on to Tibet and Xinjiang will cause less damage than losing it. For now, there are only insignificant little protests overseas and weak Tibetan uprisings to deal with. In theory, given time, even these will diminish.

Or if you have faith, which DL obviously seem to do, a new generation of leaders might find a good solution.

To be honest, the question in independence for Sinkiang is a bit moot, since with the Han population becoming the majority in the near future, any referendum for Sinkiang independence would result in a narrow no vote, the only way to avoid that would be to deprive the Han population of their vote.

[chino65]

To be honest, the question in independence for Sinkiang is a bit moot, since with the Han population becoming the majority in the near future, any referendum for Sinkiang independence would result in a narrow no vote, the only way to avoid that would be to deprive the Han population of their vote.

Actually, things don't work that way in China.

Don't know about Xinjiang in particular but in most other Chinese cities here's how it works for example:

If you are born in Guangzhou (GZ), you have a GZ "account" (i.e. some kind of ID or social security number etc) that follows you for life.

My colleagues, despite having lived in other cities for decades, retain the account from their province of birth.

If they need a special overseas travel permit, sometimes they have to go back to their home province to apply.

EDIT: Besides, any "referendum" in China does not include the public opinion, usually.

[Lala_Peace]

Send us back the Dalai Lama or we will retreive him with our special forces!!!!!

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7182/08chinprep.jpg

Your special forces are under trainee in India. First get trained and think about The great Dalai Lama.

[Fishbed]

Your special forces are under trainee in India. First get trained and think about The great Dalai Lama.


eh...I think you misunderstood I-Tankman's post. The photo itself is funny.

[Lala_Peace]

eh...I think you misunderstood I-Tankman's post. The photo itself is funny.

Sorry...I got it wrong..

[LaoSexMachine]

Leave China Alone!!!

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