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black mamba
03-08-2009, 11:37 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/id/188166

Indian members of Parliament went home last week amid hoots and howls, derided as the sorriest lot ever to disgrace the halls of the world's largest democracy. The 14th Lok Sabha, or People's House, met for only 46 days in the past year—the fewest ever—because of disruptions caused by its many dubious members. One in 10 members didn't participate in a single debate. Eleven M.P.s were expelled for taking bribes. The coal minister was compelled to step down when he was convicted of murder (though he was later acquitted on appeal). And when the opposition called for a confidence vote, several members had to be transported to the People's House from the big house—where two of them are serving life sentences for murder—to participate. As the legislators adjourned last week, House Speaker Somnath Chatterjee wished them good riddance: "You do not deserve one paisa [cent] of public money," he scolded. "I hope all of you are defeated in the next election."

That's not likely. Parties in India have long used allies with shady pasts to influence voters. But as the power of the national parties waned—accelerating in the late 1990s—because of the rise of caste- and ethnicity-based regional players, alleged and convicted criminals began to play a broader role. No single party has won enough parliamentary seats to govern alone since the Congress party did so in 1984, and the number of seats won by India's six national parties—which include the Congress, the BJP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist)—fell from 477 in 1991 to 388 in 2004. Now, in many constituencies, there are four or five significant parties, and the share of the vote needed to win a seat has fallen as low as 15 percent. As a result, criminal strongmen no longer need to throw their support behind a leading politician, because the number of votes they need is small enough that they can win elected office themselves. With regional players well positioned for the next general election on April 16, there is some chance that a politician who has undergone a criminal investigation could become the prime minister.

The 14th Lok Sabha was the first in which it was crystal clear just how many members were alleged crooks. Thanks to new rules pushed into law by a group of fed-up college professors after years of resistance from dozens of political parties, candidates for the Lok Sabha for the first time had to disclose their assets and criminal records. The disclosures seemed to have little impact on the 2004 election: 128 of the 543 winners had faced criminal charges, including 84 cases of murder, 17 cases of robbery and 28 cases of theft and extortion. Many face multiple criminal counts—including one M.P. who faces 17 separate murder charges—and no major party is beyond reproach. Because the disclosure requirement is new, it's impossible to plot a trend line, but most experts say the situation is deteriorating. "The general opinion is that the influence of criminals in politics is steadily increasing," says Himanshu Jha of the National Social Watch Coalition.

Indian law bars convicted criminals, not alleged criminals, from running for office, but a loophole allows even convicts to continue in politics as long as the case is under appeal. In India, that can mean 25 or 30 years, the course of an entire career. And the problem goes well beyond alleged criminals who hold elected office.

Due to a fractured electorate and rampant flouting of campaign-spending limits, gangsters have muscled into positions of influence close to Parliament, and the problem is spreading. While the middle class protests, party workers distribute liquor and cash to woo voters in the slums. In lawless states like Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, thugs intimidate poor farmers into toeing the line. In riot-torn Gujarat and West Bengal, party cadres are alleged to harass and threaten nonsympathizers, sometimes confiscating their voter-registration cards. And elsewhere, aspirants like Raj Thackeray of the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena—known for beating up migrants coming to Mumbai to hunt for jobs—use vandalism masked as street demonstrations to raise their political profiles. "Whether you call them goons or you call them political activists," says Jha, "it is becoming a blurred line."

The havoc created by India's criminal politicians is wide-ranging. Criminals seek political office to enrich themselves and gain protection from prosecution, and they easily pervert the police and the administration to their private purposes. When police officers or magistrates attempt to enforce the law, a powerful M.P. can engineer their transfer; in 2005 M.P. and convicted murderer Mohammed Shahabuddin of Bihar arranged the transfer of a magistrate who had sought to bar Shahabuddin from the district as a threat to public order

Even on a matter as vital as last year's nuclear pact with the U.S., the alleged criminality of key politicians is believed to have made a crucial difference in the path India chose. When Singh and the Congress party opted to go ahead with the pact, their allies from the left parties withdrew their support for the government, forcing a confidence vote. After some frenzied horse-trading, the legislators of the Samajwadi Party—whose leader, Mulayam Singh Yadav, was under scrutiny for corruption by the Central Bureau of Investigation—switched positions to support the nuclear pact and volunteered to replace the left parties in the coalition. The government survived, and the pact went through. But soon after, stories of mysterious briefcases full of cash traveling from party offices to the homes of M.P.s began to circulate. The CBI—often criticized for acting as a political tool of the ruling party—dropped its case against the Samajwadi Party leader. And the probe into the "cash for votes" scandal fizzled before it even started.

The major parties are not above all this. In the outgoing Parliament, 26 Congress M.P.s and 29 BJP M.P.s faced criminal charges. About a fifth of the representatives of the two major parties were under investigation. Nor has either party been shy about giving ministerial posts to politicians accused of serious crimes. For example, Congress installed Shibu Soren as coal minister even though he was at the time under trial for the alleged kidnapping and murder of his former personal secretary and the alleged massacre of 11 people in sectarian violence. (He was later acquitted in both cases.) "The sole criterion for a candidate has become what they call 'winnability,' not his character, not his performance, not his competence, not his ability to assess national issues," says Arun Shourie, a former journalist who is now a leading member of the BJP. "In this way, people you would not give a job to—in fact, you'd make sure that they don't come near your organization—have become part of the legislature."

Come April, experts agree, the list of candidates competing for office is likely once again to be significantly shorter than the list of criminal charges against them. Even the mainstream political parties have resisted change. When the college profs first mobilized as the Association for Democratic Reforms in 1999, filing suit to force candidates to disclose criminal records, it sailed through the Delhi courts. Then the BJP, the Congress and 20 other political parties united to stymie the new rules through legal technicalities, delaying implementation for years. ADR member Jagdish Chhokar says the official resistance proved two things: that "the political establishment can be united" on an issue they care about and "that the government can be efficient," at least in defense of thugs in office.

Standards have indeed fallen so low that neither the BJP nor the Congress have pledged to eliminate even violent offenders from their rosters and instead must rely on the argument that their criminals are cleaner on average than others'.

"Neither the Congress nor the BJP have people with serial, cognizable offenses," says BJP spokesman Rajiv Pratap Rudy, arguing for a distinction "between crimes of moral turpitude" and "heinous" crimes. Congress spokesman Satyavrat Chaturvedi says, "I can't say there's never been a case where a criminal has been given a ticket, [but] professional criminals, habitual criminals, those people will not get tickets."

It makes one wonder: How many murder charges are required before you're considered unfit to represent the good people of India?

With Sudip Mazumdar in Kolkata

D4ark
03-09-2009, 12:35 AM
Mumba, Before blowing steam on Indian Govt. perhaps you should write on your own FAR MORE CORRUPT govt. with the most corrupt and dangerous person in the world as its head. The Indian Govt. Is By far alot better and less corrupt.

black mamba
03-09-2009, 01:12 AM
i agree. r govt is no better and full of thieves and murderers too. just shows how sorry the state of affairs is in the sub continent. both countries need to care abt the ppl rather than their pockets

Eokboy
03-09-2009, 02:14 AM
You can't beat Malaysia. An alleged murderer is about to become Prime Minister, without having to be publicly elected.

Angelino
03-09-2009, 04:04 AM
You can't beat Malaysia. An alleged murderer is about to become Prime Minister, without having to be publicly elected.
Nope. Malaysians don't have anything close to the Pakistani president. Not only has the man been accused of murdering people, he also has extortion charges (he's known as "Mr. 10%" for good reasons) on him, as well as money laundering and embezzlement charges. Bear in mind that the money laundering charges were confirmed by not only Pakistanis, but also US, Swiss, French, Polish and British authorities.
Link 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Zardari#Marriage_and_prison_term)
Link 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Zardari#Controversies)
Link 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto#Charges_of_corruption)

ayanami_tard
03-09-2009, 08:22 AM
You can't beat Malaysia. An alleged murderer is about to become Prime Minister, without having to be publicly elected.

do some research before you start to disgrace your own country,fool:bash:

kamaz
03-09-2009, 10:03 AM
not to start a flamer, but I find it hilarious that a guy from Pakistan (one of the most corrupt, disintegrating, terror-supporting countries in the world) is criticizing democratic India for corruption.

you cant make this stuff up lol.

Snake Doctor
03-09-2009, 10:38 AM
Come to South Africa mate... we have a genuine 3 ring circus of crooks and thieves running the show.... :roll:

Eokboy
03-09-2009, 01:19 PM
do some research before you start to disgrace your own country,fool:bash:
Whoever he would be he is only elected by about 3000 people from his own party to become the Prime Minister of 27 million people. He is only publicly elected as a representative of his constituency in Parliament.

As for the criminal allegation, the fact that popular opinion believe he is in some way involved is enough grounds for him to be dropped. Even some in UMNO think so, but he seems to have alot of money and he does not have to pay all 3 million members or 10 million eligible voters to shut them up.

Only 3000...

Ok so I may be exaggerating, but the theme remains. All over the world, top public offices are held by less than stellar citizens, as they are cunning and lack conscience, a quality debilitating in politics. We can't eliminate them, but we can curb the damage they inflict. Success depends on the degree we care about truth and justice.

black mamba
03-09-2009, 01:28 PM
@ kamaz

sadly, you dont seem to be able to read posts above yours:

black mamba = "i agree. r govt is no better and full of thieves and murderers too. just shows how sorry the state of affairs is in the sub continent. both countries need to care abt the ppl rather than their pockets"

hanmya
03-09-2009, 01:37 PM
@ kamaz

sadly, you dont seem to be able to read posts above yours:

black mamba = "i agree. r govt is no better and full of thieves and murderers too. just shows how sorry the state of affairs is in the sub continent. both countries need to care abt the ppl rather than their pockets"


Hey Mamba, thank you for that piece, which to many, non-desis, here would be very informative. Like they say, "politics is the last scourge of the scoundrels"!

Now how about an equally informative piece on Pakistani politics and politicians, their relations vis-a-vis the army, its intelligence wing, the various power centers in Pakistan, their relation to the "non-state" actors... and so on and so forth.

We all would like to know more about whats happening in Pakistan, given the world's present source of migraine, from a Pakistani's perspective. Wouldn't we, Lads?

Connaught Ranger
03-09-2009, 01:56 PM
Thanks for posting this very informative piece of information.

Why nobody located more locally has not done it is quite strange,

I wonder why?

Connaught Ranger.

hanmya
03-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Thanks for posting this very informative piece of information.

Why nobody located more locally has not done it is quite strange,

I wonder why?

Connaught Ranger.


Thats because its all over the media in India. Every Indian-for that matter desi-knows about this kind of thing. Check out any Indian media and you will know. So its taken for granted that since its all over the waves, its out there to discuss ad nauseum! The important thing to discuss is how to educate people to vote intelligently and responsibly!
On the other hand, how many pieces of information would you find about the supporters and sponsors of acts of terrorism in the sub-continent? How many people are willing to discuss the proverbial elephant -aka ISI- in the room?

black mamba
03-09-2009, 02:59 PM
aaah yes, "there's no discussion on extremism in pakistan"....yup, i bet that's what the indian media keeps on telling you guys. anyway, to counter that, how about this article from a retired pakistani lieutenant general from today? and yes, this kind of discussion happens in all of the newspapers / media outlets here....surprised?

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=166402

or how about this one from the same day by a journalist?

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=166405

Laworkerbee
03-09-2009, 07:38 PM
i agree. r govt is no better and full of thieves and murderers too. just shows how sorry the state of affairs is in the sub continent. both countries need to care abt the ppl rather than their pockets

This is why I like you :hug:

TheBelgian
03-10-2009, 05:40 AM
not to start a flamer, but I find it hilarious that a guy from Pakistan (one of the most corrupt, disintegrating, terror-supporting countries in the world) is criticizing democratic India for corruption.

you cant make this stuff up lol.

Why does it matter where he's from or what his reasons might be? It's an interesting read from a reputable source. If anyone wants to post articles about Pakistani crime and corruption, go right ahead, no one's stopping you.

Also, the fact that people like you divide the issue into the black and white distinction of "corrupt, disintegrating, terror-supporting" Pakistan versus "democratic India" highlights the very reason that articles like this one should be posted and read. The many problems and deep flaws in the Pakistani government are covered by the press on a daily basis. But we shouldn't sanctify the Indian government either, which clearly has some serious (but less publicised) problems of its own to deal with.

D4ark
04-02-2009, 05:31 AM
Would be fun if that kind of law sxposes our own president(oops sorry the enitre freakin PPP,and muslim league!)ROFL