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Ordie
03-10-2009, 04:46 AM
In China, No Plans to Emulate West’s Way
By MICHAEL WINES (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/michael_wines/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
BEIJING — China (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/china/index.html?inline=nyt-geo)’s second-ranking Communist Party official issued a terse and complete disavowal of interest in Western-style democracy on Monday, saying that China would never adopt a multiparty political system, separation of powers, a bicameral legislature or an independent judiciary.
The remarks by Wu Bangguo, the chairman of China’s parliament, established a hard line against political reform at a time when China’s leaders are notably worried about the possibility of public protests.
They also follow a public demand last December by more than 300 intellectuals and dissidents for China to abandon Communist rule and move toward a more democratic system.
Addressing the parliament, the National People’s Congress, Mr. Wu warned legislators that they should maintain “the correct political orientation” and that the party’s leadership would not tolerate being weakened.
“Although China’s state organs have different responsibilities, they all adhere to the line, principles and policies of the party,” he said.
Without a single Communist Party in control, Mr. Wu argued, a nation as large as China “would be torn by strife and incapable of accomplishing anything.”
His statements echoed those of other Chinese Communist leaders, who have frequently asserted that Western-style democracy is unsuited to China.
Mr. Wu’s remarks were especially tough, however, in that he not only ruled out adopting Western-style political institutions, but he also argued that China’s one-party system was superior to the democratic model.
China, he said, would never adopt a system of “multiple parties holding office in rotation,” or hold elections without government-chosen candidates on the ballot.
China has experimented in recent years with elections at low levels of government, permitting some villagers, for example, to choose among carefully chosen candidates for minor posts.
But the government has rejected moves toward free elections, even in nongovernmental bodies like the Chinese bar association.
Mr. Wu argued on Monday that China’s system of representation already gives a voice to even the smallest ethnic minorities.
In contrast, he said, the Western model of government guarantees representation only to candidates who are chosen by the majority.
He also appeared to dash hopes that China would liberalize along Western lines its legal system, which is closely tied to the Communist Party.
Rather, he said, China would establish “a legal system of socialism with Chinese characteristics” by 2010, allowing the Communist Party to establish legal doctrine instead of relying on Western-style court rulings to continually shape the law.
“The Western model of a legal system cannot be mechanically copied in establishing our own,” Mr. Wu told the legislators.
The National People’s Congress, whose 3,000 members meet annually to approve the government’s policies, has been holding a nine-day session in Beijing.


Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/world/asia/10beijing.html?pagewanted=print

Kilgor
03-10-2009, 05:53 AM
Translation = The Chinese communist party will never let go of power.

Jaegermeister + Red Bull
03-10-2009, 09:50 AM
Translation = The Chinese communist party will never let go of power.

Translation = better the devil known than the unknown saint.

Ordie
03-10-2009, 02:24 PM
How can one expects a fair trial if the judges, the defendants or plaintiffs are members of the Communist Party?

If the judgement goes in favor of the Communist Party member, how does it affect the legitimacy of the judicial system and government at large?

hskywalker
03-10-2009, 05:41 PM
Western political system is crap.
I would like a revolution every 100 to 200 years, than a stable populist democracy that corrupts into bones.

Henry's Fork
03-10-2009, 05:48 PM
Western political system is crap.
I would like a revolution every 100 to 200 years, than a stable populist democracy that corrupts into bones.

Compared to Chinese corruption and political system?!

rofl

hskywalker
03-10-2009, 06:08 PM
Compared to Chinese corruption and political system?!

rofl
Chinese corruption is protected by powerful people who abuses the system.
American corruption is protected by the system itself, covered by elections.
American need more revolutions, less elections.:)

Henry's Fork
03-10-2009, 06:16 PM
Chinese corruption is protected by powerful people who abuses the system.
American corruption is protected by the system itself, covered by elections.
American need more revolutions, less elections.:)

I can fully agree with you on the last part.p-)

You could also say that CCP is protected by the system itself as well, seeing that it, is, the system.

Ordie
03-10-2009, 06:29 PM
American need more revolutions, less elections.:)

A bloodless revolution happens every four years through elections. A transfer of power occurs transparently.

If China had a system where its citizens had a direct stake in the country's future and policies, it would not need to spend as much resources in domestic security and survellience.

Henry's Fork
03-10-2009, 06:46 PM
A transfer of power occurs transparently.


Between 2 groups with horrible track records. Who spent most of the time, when not infighting, fighting with each other while the ship was/is sinking.

At least we are one up on China when it comes to parties, we have 2 SOB parties instead of 1 SOB.:-(

sinophile
03-10-2009, 11:34 PM
How can one expects a fair trial if the judges, the defendants or plaintiffs are members of the Communist Party?

If the judgement goes in favor of the Communist Party member, how does it affect the legitimacy of the judicial system and government at large?

It depends on the municipality, province and matter. Issues are getting litigated fairly in many Chinese courts, and there is an appeals process. I wouldn't want to be an indigent defendant or claimant in a Chinese court, but the path to success is no less difficult in many US courts.

For business, Marshall, TX, Cook County, IL, and Philadelphia courts are just a few examples of judicial hellholes for defendants in many types tort cases. I'd be careful about falling in love with US courts. I'd rather be sued or tried in Germany any day.

Kilgor
03-10-2009, 11:38 PM
Between 2 groups with horrible track records. Who spent most of the time, when not infighting, fighting with each other while the ship was/is sinking.

At least we are one up on China when it comes to parties, we have 2 SOB parties instead of 1 SOB.:-(

Democracy is more than just elections.

ayanami_tard
03-10-2009, 11:44 PM
^yeah,it is about demonstration every time people read something dubious from shady blogs/tabloid


overall i got no problem with china's politics(works fine,people there got no serious problem about it,not nearly as totoalitarian as NK,people got food/decent health/education programme),but judiciary is another story.

Henry's Fork
03-10-2009, 11:48 PM
Democracy is more than just elections.

True, but that would require a whole new page of rants. :)

sinophile
03-11-2009, 12:02 AM
^yeah,it is about demonstration every time people read something dubious from shady blogs/tabloid


overall i got no problem with china's politics(works fine,people there got no serious problem about it,not nearly as totoalitarian as NK,people got food/decent health/education programme),but judiciary is another story.

That's because your home doesn't sit in the way of a new luxury hotel that "needs" to go up.