Pictures From a Larry Vicker's Carbine Class

[SMGLee]

This was an industry/moderator only class hosted by M4Carbine.net. the class was held at South Hill Virginia with approximately 20 plus attendees which included the moderators from M4carbine.net, representive from Magpul, KAC, Daniel Defense and also Safariland.

The pictures were taken by my friend Ted Tae, Ted is a State dept combat photog and also a recent MP.net member.

Industry shoot....

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More to come in the next few days......

[Seraphim]

I saw some of the pics from another website, I hear Chris Costa is one hell of a shot.

Did you get a change to shoot the Massoud?

[California Joe]

Wait? Moderators? Is there a union or something? Gawddamnit.

;)

[gaijinsamurai]

Great pics, Chen!

Thanks for sharing......

(only a little jealous)

[Kilo1-1]

Excellent pictures. Lots of Aimpoint T1s in use indeed.

How was the SR25 carbine? How's the recoil in comparison to the standard length SR25/M110?

[James]

Nice. I'm going to LAV's 1911 class in June.

[PG18]

very noice.. chen..

[hardKor439]

I'm just plain jealous :) Thanks for sharing the pics.

[Hollis]

I'm just plain jealous :) Thanks for sharing the pics.


Same here, Great photos.



CJ, nice to know I finally have a Union Job.......... p-)

[Lest We Forget]

Why the fat guy testing the guns?
Why not military personnel?

[goat89]

^ Look here Wanker, you better straighten your act. SMG Lee is a valued member of this thread, and if you go on dissing the weapon operators in the pic, I swear to you Hellfish and Macs are gonna get transported by Ravage by black helos and raep the f*ck out of you.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Great first post.
Wanker, that´s sums it up.

[goat89]

^ Thx, see any of the mods, send them a message for me. I can;t find them. Reported it though.

[Lest We Forget]

I appologise, i didnt mean to offend anyone or be insensitive.

[goat89]

^ Jesus Christ. YOU JUST DID!!!!!!!!!!! I will leave this to the mods. I shan't speak anymore.

[Lest We Forget]

Yeah but I didnt mean too.
I was just wondering why the people who are going to use them wouldn't text them
Is thhat the new version of the steyr australia will be using?

Is that the new steyr?

[digrar]

The new F88 is a baby **** brown colour.
Take a break, lurk a bit, post less.

[-[Crosshair]-]

Why the fat guy testing the guns?
Why not military personnel?

...it's a CLASS, not some testing grounds. The title of this topic should have been a big enough of a clue.

Please never post again.

[tactical73]

nice pics Chen good job;-)

[Seraphim]

Someone should delete that retards post.

[hardKor439]

Someone should delete that retards post.

Seconded, FWIW.

BTW, The KAC stuff just made me drool.

[SMGLee]

I saw some of the pics from another website, I hear Chris Costa is one hell of a shot.

Did you get a change to shoot the Massoud?

Costco is a great shot, he won the class shoot off, especially when we had a written test and he did not score very well on it..come to think of it, none of us scored well... I got like 3 out of 15 questions.....LOL.
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Costa and his awesome CQB-R with the KAC muzzle brake suppressor adapter. Usually the gun would be shot with the suppressor, but for dramtic effect, the can was removed for photo op.

Massoud as requested.
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[SMGLee]

Yeah but I didnt mean too.
I was just wondering why the people who are going to use them wouldn't text them
Is thhat the new version of the steyr australia will be using?

Is that the new steyr?

It is a MSAR AUG clone....shot well and it had a better trigger than the Steyr AUG of old....

Here is a picture of a skinny guy shooting the MSAR...hope this makes for your approval.....
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one more.....
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This man came in second at our class shoot off....VBPD officer, BW insturctor and overall a great guy..



Not everyone can be male model with old age, it takes three times the work than when I was 21..........but you are right... I am adding a few rings around my waist.

Why fat people are shooting guns? well... fat people have rights too.....:bash:

[SMGLee]

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LAV taking a shot in the dark with his Daniel Defense carbine luminating the steel 170 yrds away with his Surefire X300...


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Crimson Trace laser grip in action...


Drake from Magpul...
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Costa in action....this man is a shooting machine!!

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LAV during class

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LAV point shooting his HK P30 which he consider the best DA/SA pistol on the market....the sights are taped off...

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Talking about proper one hand grip.

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LAV and Magpul Massoud

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Little Russian in the action during one of the class room break...

[Kilo1-1]

Costco is a great shot, he won the class shoot off, especially when we had a written test and he did not score very well on it..come to think of it, none of us scored well... I got like 3 out of 15 questions.....LOL.


Written exam? rofl

Well, at least you guys shoot a hell lot better than taking exams though.
It's more practical that way. p-)

Chen, what are your impressions of the Massoud?

[TehSuig]

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He's got that crazy, almost overhand grip going on with his non-firing hand. Some of my friends went to a Tiger Swan course and that's how they taught them to shoot as well. I've never tried it but it looks awkward.

Have you tried it Lee?

[gaijinsamurai]

Why the fat guy testing the guns?
Why not military personnel?

Hahahaaa!!!!! Golden!!!!!

Best post today!!!!

Why DO they let that fat guy use the guns!?!?!?!*









(just fvcking w/ you, Chen!!!!! Lol!)

[Kilo1-1]

He's got that crazy, almost overhand grip going on with his non-firing hand. Some of my friends went to a Tiger Swan course and that's how they taught them to shoot as well. I've never tried it but it looks awkward.

Have you tried it Lee?

Not speaking for him, but that's a grip popular with 3-gun shooters. It's actually a stable posture that allows for relatively quick follow up shot.

[SMGLee]

He's got that crazy, almost overhand grip going on with his non-firing hand. Some of my friends went to a Tiger Swan course and that's how they taught them to shoot as well. I've never tried it but it looks awkward.

Have you tried it Lee?

I did...but not to my liking, the idea is to drive the gun down and better control the recoil...Costa shot very fast and on target every time he pull the trigger....I kind of use a more LAV style grip more forward grip using the vertical grip as a cupping/hand stop...the more closer you have grip of the gun, the better you have control of the recoil, like gripping a garden hose, the closer you grip the nozzle, the better control you have with the spray..you can see the triple burst from him and that is him shooting semi..

Everything Costa did was very aggressive, he drive the gun to target with intend and aggression.. I am always in awe watching shoot or talking about shooting. I look forward to a Magpul dynamics class later this year..

Another shooter with similar grip...
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Another picture of the Machine that we lovingly call Costco...everyone got a nick name at the class by LAV....

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[Hollis]

Hahahaaa!!!!! Golden!!!!!

Best post today!!!!

Why DO they let that fat guy use the guns!?!?!?!*









(just fvcking w/ you, Chen!!!!! Lol!)


Looks like two guys are gonna give you (the other fat guy) a butt whippin' in a about two weeks.


One advantage of the AR platform is weight and recoil. Allowing positions when recoil and weight needs not be as controlled or reduced to make a accurate shot. Down side, those positions are poor for the higher power rifles. (more weight and recoil)

[SMGLee]

Hahahaaa!!!!! Golden!!!!!

Best post today!!!!

Why DO they let that fat guy use the guns!?!?!?!*




(just fvcking w/ you, Chen!!!!! Lol!)

Andy...I will see you in a few weeks.....bring it!!p-)

Here are some of the questions asked at the written protion of the match...
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What was the inital twist rate of the M16
What did it became afterwards
why was it changed
which major manufacture made the first polymer handgun and what was the model number
name four of the six changes when the 1911 became the 1911A1
What did the feed tray of the M240 copied from
What did the bolt carrier assembly of the Minimi copied from
On what gun did KAC copied their 600m rear sight design
which magazine did 99% of the double stack magazine copied from
what gun did the FN FAL copied its carrier design.
what is STG77, or the common name of this gun



I can only remember 11 out of the fifteen questions....I got 3 out of 15.. the best class score was 10 out of 15...won by Kevin Boland of KAC..

Don't answer any of the questions on line.. do it in private and see how many you guys can get without searching the internet...:)

[SMGLee]

KAC photo shoot...

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KevinB with Paul Kim's new Icon(Surefire's entry civilian brand) flash light

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South hill range

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All my crap shipped via the good ole Fed Ex....

during the freebie give away... Drake getting his baseball cap on...
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[Hispeed1]

SMGLee, thank you again very-very much for posting the pics.

[TehSuig]

I did...but not to my liking, the idea is to drive the gun down and better control the recoil...Costa shot very fast and on target every time he pull the trigger....I kind of use a more LAV style grip more forward grip using the vertical grip as a cupping/hand stop...the more closer you have grip of the gun, the better you have control of the recoil, like gripping a garden hose, the closer you grip the nozzle, the better control you have with the spray..you can see the triple burst from him and that is him shooting semi..

Everything Costa did was very aggressive, he drive the gun to target with intend and aggression.. I am always in awe watching shoot or talking about shooting. I look forward to a Magpul dynamics class later this year..

Another shooter with similar grip...


Interesting. I'll have to give it a go next time I'm at the range. I pulled out one of my ARs and gave it try and it does seem a little easier to hold the weapon on target. I'm just not used to the grip I guess. I normally put my TD stubby as far out as it will go and use the thumb on non-dominant side grip.

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm fat too, Chen! My wife gives me crap about it everyday!

See you in about ten days, and I'll add more carbs to my beer gut!

[goat89]

^ wootrofl Thats plain awesome gaijinsamurai. Post pics. lets see how fats absorb recoil. That would be most interesting. *NO HOMO* ;)

[ZoneOne]

He's got that crazy, almost overhand grip going on with his non-firing hand. Some of my friends went to a Tiger Swan course and that's how they taught them to shoot as well. I've never tried it but it looks awkward.

Have you tried it Lee?

Well I'm not Lee, but after getting some time w/ Costa, I tried it. I like it, I have my vertical grip a little bit more forward then most and that helps as a bump stop for my hand.

I found that is made me more accurate when shooting on the move. More control over the weapon.


Costa's - dual light setup had me laughing at first, until my light burned out in training. Now I'm debating that setup as well.


-Thx for posting pics Lee

[JC0352]

Great thread, Chen! Thanks for sharing. Looks like you guys had a great time and learned alot.

[JVeld]

Damn Chen..........nice pics man, as always...........you gotta let me know next time you're in VA, although I just got my deployment orders.....:-( so I may not be around here for a while !!!
PS....dont worry man, when people tell me Im getting fat, I tell them I got the body of a god......Buddha LOL wootwootwoot

[dave81]

Well, that one fat guy's a Ninja Master, the other one is, I believe, a Photo Master.

Lee: As always, you find yourself in the middle of the action and you have the pics to prove it! No "GTFO" for you!

PS: With the hand grip being so far forward, is it comfortable to shoot like this?

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/sh/huge/_32Y8420.jpg

[He219]

Nice posts SMgLee!
:D


KAC photo shoot...
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/sh/huge/_32Y0159.jpg

Rule #4 or dramatic effect?


.

[Laconian]

Great shots, Chen. As always thanks for posting. The second photo in the KAC shoot is a great example of the differences in the locked support wrist & thumb grip and a more standard grip. I have tried both and for shooting a course of fire the locked thumb/wrist is great, but for holding a hallway or a corner in a more tactical arena I find the closer vert grip to be more advantageous. It also may be my preference because it is more familiar.

[bullpuppy]

Great pics, Chen.

Thanks for posting them.

Did you run your LMT piston gun?

How did it do?

[OUTLAW-ONE]

AWESOME pics Chen! love the SR-15 & MASSOUD!! I agree with Larry, the HK P30 is the best SA/DA around.

[tomonator]

Wow, great pics thanks.

[Gunge]

excellent pics
thanks

[Bangbangboogie69]

Andy...I will see you in a few weeks.....bring it!!p-)

Here are some of the questions asked at the written protion of the match...
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/sh/large/_32Y7703.jpg

What was the inital twist rate of the M16
What did it became afterwards
why was it changed
which major manufacture made the first polymer handgun and what was the model number
name four of the six changes when the 1911 became the 1911A1
What did the feed tray of the M240 copied from
What did the bolt carrier assembly of the Minimi copied from
On what gun did KAC copied their 600m rear sight design
which magazine did 99% of the double stack magazine copied from
what gun did the FN FAL copied its carrier design.
what is STG77, or the common name of this gun



I can only remember 11 out of the fifteen questions....I got 3 out of 15.. the best class score was 10 out of 15...won by Kevin Boland of KAC..

Don't answer any of the questions on line.. do it in private and see how many you guys can get without searching the internet...:)


soo sorrire

[Hippo]

Don't answer any of the questions on line.. do it in private and see how many you guys can get without searching the internet...:)

hooray for reading comprehension!

facepalm.jpg

[Jippo]

Well, I don't think that he got them right anyway. :)

[Mister_manji]

most of those questions are rather easy.

[SMGLee]

Some more pictures....

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[Kilo1-1]

Awesome new set of photos. Thanks Chen.

[SMGLee]

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[SMGLee]

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[SMGLee]

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[tactical73]

wow nice shirt Larry ;-)

[Laconian]

Chen,
Wow! Some excellent shots in there!

[Seraphim]

Anyone notice Costa's pistol grip as well?

[Ali Baba]

Thanks Lee, Great pics to start the morning with.

[SMGLee]

wow nice shirt Larry ;-)


One of LAV's favorite band!!



Chen,
Wow! Some excellent shots in there!


Ted did some great work at the range, he is now registered on MP.net, maybe he will start to share some of his other on assignment in sand box pics with us.

[Jippo]

Anyone notice Costa's grip as well?

His hand positions overall and the angle in his joints seems something I couldn't physically do, let alone shoot and hit with. Certainly pretty unorthodox hand positions/grip.

[SMGLee]

Chris' shooting and his stance are very deliberate... he power each of his movement from target to target, it is not machine like with pluses, but very fluid with force and speed, he controls his movement like clock work... I think in order for me to shoot like him....well... first of all, not possible, second.. I would have to be shooting few thousand rounds per week in order to achieve his performance. he was definitely the terminator of the LAV class that wekend...

[jagermeister]

Very cool pictures and nice rigs but I cant belive guys spend all that money and cant afford a 30 dollars a month gym fee.

[Laworkerbee]

Very cool pictures and nice rigs but I cant belive guys spend all that money and cant afford a 30 dollars a month gym fee.

What does spending 30$ a month on a gym have to do with being in shape? I thought most guys went to gyms simply for all the hot guy ass that was around.

[Catch22]

"Strenght has to weigh" as we used to say here among the 200+ pound shooters ;-)

[Hutz]

I thought most guys went to gyms simply for all the hot guy ass that was around.

Obviously.

[SMGLee]

Very cool pictures and nice rigs but I cant belive guys spend all that money and cant afford a 30 dollars a month gym fee.

What is this obession about weight lately? So now instead of taking pic, I have to go find a freaking model so no one would talk ****?

[Roy Batty]

Pretty much the same reason I hack anyone in my team/section that has a sh*t locker hanging over their gut. A fit troop is a live troop......


That's not to say that anyone with a gut cant shoot. I have no doubt in my mind that Mr Vickers can shoot like damned but in a rush to move to an engagment (or from an engagment) I am willing to bet I am the faster guy.


I have met some big old boys on the range who can hit a fly at xxx yards but that does'nt mean they are a deployably ready soldier...but they some were sure dressed up like it ;)

[Laworkerbee]

I have to go find a freaking model so no one would talk ****?

I'll work for free ammunition.

[Roy Batty]

I'll work for free ammunition.

and hairstyling products..........

[Laworkerbee]

and hairstyling products..........

That's a given.

[Hollis]

I'll work for free ammunition.


I work for ammo too, only ammo... well maybe beer too, but that is it.

[SMGLee]

Pretty much the same reason I hack anyone in my team/section that has a sh*t locker hanging over their gut. A fit troop is a live troop......


That's not to say that anyone with a gut cant shoot. I have no doubt in my mind that Mr Vickers can shoot like damned but in a rush to move to an engagment (or from an engagment) I am willing to bet I am the faster guy.


I have met some big old boys on the range who can hit a fly at xxx yards but that does'nt mean they are a deployably ready soldier...but they some were sure dressed up like it ;)

I think in LAV's case, he deserve to relax a bit, for as much he has done for the free world...he deserve it..

me, in another case, I am not deploying nor am I going to run out and fight any time soon... :)

LAWB.....model for free ammo? how about free scotch?

[custodes]

When one is young, it is much easier to stay in shape.When older and the hard living gets tough, one still has experience to pass on. The body gets worn out but,the mind is still strong. Joints and bones wear out.Trust me younsters.p-)

[kuttless]

Awesome thread. LAV is the man. I really like photos like this.

[Laworkerbee]

how about free scotch?

Black, Green, Gold or Blue, I'm in.

[kongman]

Why the fat guy testing the guns?
Why not military personnel?



lol idiot post of the year..................

[Bro Jangles]

im watching the "Art of the tactical Carbine" right now, id kill to take this kinda class. but i wouldnt show up with my ghetto AR.

[kongman]

fat ppl (myself included)= RECOIL ABSORPTION

[cbreedon]

im watching the "Art of the tactical Carbine" right now, .
How do you like it? Is it any good?

[junglejim]

im watching the "Art of the tactical Carbine" right now, id kill to take this kinda class. but i wouldnt show up with my ghetto AR.


You know how much it would cost to join?

[Bro Jangles]

You know how much it would cost to join?more than i make in a year.:-(



How do you like it? Is it any good?im counting down till i can get some range time to try some stuff out. it is well done. it is awesome.

[junglejim]

more than i make in a year.:-(




Crap! Hmm theres a group here that trains PMC's for Afghanistan and other destination I belive the class for a Civvie is USD5000. They have their own range right next to the range I go shooting at. I'll have to check it out. Some claim they are former SF operators from the US and AUS.

Oh, C.T.U is the name of that org.

http://www.ctuconsulting.com/philippines.php

[Kilo1-1]

im watching the "Art of the tactical Carbine" right now, id kill to take this kinda class. but i wouldnt show up with my ghetto AR.
2x, watching it now as well. A lot of good pointers and straight to the point instruction.

[SMGLee]

You can access class schedule through this link....

Link to Magpul Dynamics class across the country (http://m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=96)

Link to Larry Vickers' classes (http://m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=94)


you can also access Larry's very informative TV show on line and see a preview of it..

Link to LAV's show (http://www.tacticalimpact.tv/)

[custodes]

Thanks for the links SMGLee. Great thread too!