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Roger Rabbit
06-24-2004, 06:18 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/berkshire/3835537.stm

Man acquitted of harpoon attack
man accused of firing a harpoon into a teenager's face has been cleared of all charges against him after a jury accepted he acted in self-defence.
Nathan Kirk was cleared of unlawfully possessing an offensive weapon after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.

The 25-year-old, from Hungerford, Berkshire, was also cleared of grievous bodily harm, on Thursday.

The harpoon hit Matthew Hawkins in the face, causing him to lose an eye.

Mr Kirk himself had been stabbed close to his heart during the fight in March 2003.

The jury at Reading Crown Court decided that the gun had been fired by Mr Kirk accidentally during the fight.

He brought out the scuba gun when a gang, including the 15-year-old, arrived at his girlfriend's flat in Thatcham following an argument over vandalism to a telephone box.

During the brawl, it was fired and became lodged in the teenager's face.

'Overjoyed and relieved'

Hawkins' injury was so serious that he lost an eye and paramedics had to use bolt-cutters to cut off part of the three-****ged harpoon.

Mr Kirk left the court without commenting to reporters waiting outside, but a statement read by his solicitor Georgina Murray said: "He is overjoyed and relieved that this traumatic case has now come to an end.

"He now wants to put the past 14 months behind him and get his life back on track.

"He is eternally grateful to his mother, father, family and friends for their support during the most difficult period of his life so far."

The court was told how Mr Kirk opened the door of the flat to Hawkins, his half-brother Barry Lovegrove and his sister's boyfriend, Derek Watkins.

Gang charged

The trio punched and kicked him and stabbed him close to the heart.

He retreated inside and brought out the harpoon to frighten the gang, according to Michael Topolski QC, defending.

Hawkins, Lovegrove and Watkins were also charged in connection with the fight and tried at Reading Crown Court earlier this year.

Watkins, 37, of Thatcham, was discharged on all counts.

Hawkins was discharged on two counts but convicted of affray and given a community punishment and rehabilitation order.

Lovegrove, 28, of Thatcham, was jailed for 18 months for affray.

Could be considered graphic, an x-ray of the boy who was hit with the harpoon
















http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40305000/jpg/_40305833_harpoon_xray203.jpg

ShadowNeo
06-24-2004, 06:25 PM
ouch.

Abolith
06-24-2004, 06:46 PM
daaaamn that looks like it hurt....

Mark Sman
06-24-2004, 07:01 PM
So a bunch of thugs attack you, stab you even. You fight back and you get charged?

There has gotta be something to this story I don't understand.

In the US the cops would be joking with you that you took him out of season, or that he was too small and you had to throw him back.

What the hell is affray?

Roger Rabbit
06-24-2004, 07:21 PM
So a bunch of thugs attack you, stab you even. You fight back and you get charged?

Read the article.


Nathan Kirk was cleared of unlawfully possessing an offensive weapon after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.


He possesed an illegal weapon, thats why he was sent to court(oh and the shooting the kid in the face with it).

Roger Rabbit
06-24-2004, 07:21 PM
edit double post

Sierra
06-24-2004, 11:35 PM
**** that musta hurt.

cut
06-24-2004, 11:37 PM
ya think?

Trigger
06-25-2004, 01:05 AM
oh my...

Vance
06-25-2004, 01:07 AM
F*ckin' ouch.

East
06-25-2004, 01:59 AM
that's nothin, a guy broke into another guys house in Canada, cut his hands on the glass of the window and sued the homeowner for it...another one, two a$$holes broke into an old mans house and started raping his wife so he gets a bat and beats the hell out of them, the old man went to jail for it...

Mark Sman
06-25-2004, 02:19 AM
Read the article.

I did. Read my post and then reread the article.


after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.

Question stands. He was charged with "grievous bodily harm" on someone attacking him. What the hell is that?

king_nothing100
06-25-2004, 07:27 AM
woot good on the guy, scumbag got what he deserved, looks like we might be getting some of our rights back. (Not)

Burgulary procedure here:

Guy breaks in.
You phone coppers.
You curl into ball and let person steal your posessions.
Wait for police to arive after burgular left 20 mins ago.
Make coppers cup of tea while they tell you, that they can do balls all about your stuff.

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-25-2004, 10:07 AM
The law in Scotland differs from the rest of the UK when it comes to home invasion, we are allowed to defend ourselves by any reasonable means in our homes. If you are attacked in your sleeping quarters at night you are most defiantly allowed to defend yourself.

wiking
06-25-2004, 01:01 PM
O bloody hell that didn't look nice.
But i think we all have learned a lesson: Never mess with an Enlgishman with a harpoongun.

This is many of the European countries in a nutshell; your house is broken into, you hold the burglar at gunpoint till the cops come and then you are charged with violations of the gunlaws. That's what would have happened here in Norway.

usa320
06-25-2004, 01:11 PM
yow. my brain hurts.

Chris1
06-25-2004, 01:14 PM
He was charged because the act was commited; he shot the guy in the face.
The police have only to show that he commited the act, which he did.
The courts then decide if he was right to do so, he was (presumably because he was stabbed and in danger) therefore he has been aquitted.
Non-issue.
I suppose in the US when someone shoots someone in the face they just go "Oh, well he must be innocent, he says so!"

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-25-2004, 01:44 PM
Last year in a town near me the police carried out a raid on a suspected drug dealers house at night when they forced entry and entered the bedroom the suspect jumped out of bed and took an ornamental sword from the wall and gave one of the detectives a center parting. The result no drugs and the guy gets of with attacking the policeman due to the fact that the police failed to id themselves when entering the suspects home.

Roger Rabbit
06-25-2004, 02:27 PM
Read the article.

I did. Read my post and then reread the article.


after earlier being acquitted of one charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.

Question stands. He was charged with "grievous bodily harm" on someone attacking him. What the hell is that?

Grevious bodily harm is when a lot of damage is done to someones body. Like sticking a harpoon in someones face so they lose an eye. The guy caused grevious bodily harm and so was arrested and taken to court where was aquitted. I fail to see the problem, sounds like the law working to me.