US Army uses Isreali Bullets

[jizzmonkey]

US Army uses Israeli bullets


Friday 25 June 2004, 6:20 Makka Time, 3:20 GMT


US officials called the use of Israeli bullets a 'sensitive topic'












Israeli-made bullets bought by the US Army should be used for training only, not for combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, US lawmakers have told army generals.



Since the army has other stockpiled ammunition, "by no means, under any circumstances should a round (from Israel) be utilised," said Representative Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii on Thursday - the top Democrat on a House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land forces.

The US Army contracted with Israel Military Industries Ltd. in December for $70 million in small-calibre ammunition.

It is unclear whether Abercrombie was addressing the possibility of Israeli bullets having been used in current Iraq and Afghanistan combat operations or simply suggesting future engagement rules.

Two possible suppliers

The Israeli firm was one of only two worldwide that could meet US technical specifications and delivery needs, said Brigadier General Paul Izzo, the army's programme executive officer for ammunition.

The other was East Alton, Illinois-based Winchester Ammunition, which also received a $70 million contract.

"There's a sensitivity that I think all of us recognise," Representative Curt Weldon told the army witnesses, including Major General Buford Blount, who led US troops that captured Baghdad in April 2003.

"There's a sensitivity that I think all of us recognise"

Curt Weldon,
US House Representative


Blount, now the army's assistant deputy chief of staff, said they had sufficient small calibre ammunition - 5.56mm, 7.62mm and .50 calibre - to conduct current operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Inventory strained

But taken together with training needs, the US had strained its production facilities, he testified.

"To fight a major combat operation in another theatre will require the army to impose restrictions on training expenditures and to focus current inventory and new production on combat operations," Blount said.

He also said that the army's needs will grow to about 1.5 billion to 1.7 billion rounds a year in coming years.

"In the near-term, balancing training requirements with current operational needs is a manageable risk-mitigation strategy," Blount said.

The Army does not want to repeat its history of building capacity during wartime "only to dismantle it in peacetime," Blount added.



Like always, aljazeera posting instigating articles.

It just goes to show the Zionist conspiracy is all to reeeeeallll!

give me a ****ing break!

[UoUo]

Yes the iraqis like to be shot only by US made bullets...FFs give me a Break... :roll:

[SeanAshi]

It just goes to show the Zionist conspiracy is all to reeeeeallll! American soldiers are really IDF soldiers gonna take Jordan and Iraq and make it greater Israel.

[usa320]

bull****ing****...

The media is really starting to get annoying with their efforts to show how evil we are...

[Aussie E]

its good sh*t
winchester sell an isreali 55grn 5.56mm
Q3131A
top notch ammo

[jizzmonkey]

It just goes to show the Zionist conspiracy is all to reeeeeallll! American soldiers are really IDF soldiers gonna take Jordan and Iraq and make it greater Israel.

we'll call it Jordisrealiraq!! the tri state area!!! :)

[East]

If you were joking I'd laugh, but I know better... the media is so hell bent on doing whatever it can to make America look evil.

[jizzmonkey]

If you were joking I'd laugh, but I know better... the media is so hell bent on doing whatever it can to make America look evil.

yeah man I was serious!! :roll:

ya see there is this thing called "sarcasm".....

and where the hell have you been??
America IS evil, its fun!! come jooin the Dark side!!! :lol:

[RavenW]

media is damn fifth column.

If only once it mentioned how much medical Israeli equipment was used in Africa and other countires in need.

[jizzmonkey]

media is damn fifth column.

If only once it mentioned how much medical Israeli equipment was used in Africa and other countires in need.

isreali tourniquettes!!! best piece of CLS (combat life saving) equipment we ever got the battalion just spent mucho dinero on a Butt-load!!

far superior than our preassure bandage

[Midav]

Boohoo....

Cry me a river that the US uses Israeli made bullets.

Screw those on the receiving end. Stop fighting US forces and you won't get filled with kosher filled 5.56 mm rounds :D

[jizzmonkey]

I told my wife to send me spray bottles of Bacon Grease while I'm over there, I hear it makes a good lubricant for the M-4, not to mention I dont think Haji is going to care if they are Isreali or U.S bullets at that point!!!

WHEEEEEEEEE!! SquEEEEEElll like a pig Habib!

I reallly dont give a **** anymore!

[Kilgor]

bloody hell..

cry me a ****ing river to the UN.

I cant believe this article is genuine

[jizzmonkey]

bloody hell..

cry me a f*** river to the UN.

I cant believe this article is genuine

its on aljazeera today

[RavenW]

what could we expect from Al Ja..zealots?

Screw them! :fork:

[East]

If you were joking I'd laugh, but I know better... the media is so hell bent on doing whatever it can to make America look evil.

yeah man I was serious!! :roll:

ya see there is this thing called "sarcasm".....

and where the hell have you been??
America IS evil, its fun!! come jooin the Dark side!!! :lol:

You're confusing the hell out of me, I know its real, I wasn't being sarcastic...

[jizzmonkey]

If you were joking I'd laugh, but I know better... the media is so hell bent on doing whatever it can to make America look evil.

yeah man I was serious!! :roll:

ya see there is this thing called "sarcasm".....

and where the hell have you been??
America IS evil, its fun!! come jooin the Dark side!!! :lol:

You're confusing the hell out of me, I know its real, I wasn't being sarcastic...

never mind, I was being sarcastic about the whole Jordisrealiraq.

not the story.


its all good

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I don't care who Israel sell ammo to but the US military should where ever possible use US made ammo for the simple reason that it keeps Americans in jobs and if ammo is in short supply it should be sourced from other NATO stockpiles even if it is to be used in non NATO actions.

[ZeroPositive]

god imagine the Arabs wouldn't want to be shot by the Americans due to being infected by Israeli ammo.... :D

In the end what does it matter...??? The bullet would get u anyway and kill the enemy is a good bullet in my books :D

Sorry this is coming out as gibberish as I have yet to sleep....

[IDFM203]

I don't care who Israel sell ammo to but the US military should where ever possible use US made ammo for the simple reason that it keeps Americans in jobs and if ammo is in short supply it should be sourced from other NATO stockpiles even if it is to be used in non NATO actions.The problem is that the U.S. ammo factories are already strained to its limit so buying from Israel is NOT loosing any U.S. jobs.

Secondly if they need some more and cant get the rest in the U.S. they should get from Israel, hell that’s one of the reasons why we are allies and why the U.S. gives us aid (well here it also benefits the U.S. for that aid must be spent back in the U.S. and thus that too keeps and creates more American jobs....but I digress ;) ) for its known that the U.S. has storage faculties in Israel for its use if need be and has maintenance deals in Israel if they need any maintenance and yes if the U.S. needs ammo it should damn well have every right to go get it from the closest ally that has the quality ammo it needs and that’s Israel.

This whole Arab sensitivity thing is absurd and wrong and IMO the U.S. should ignore it.........I mean if they are so concerned about the bullets wait till they find out that some soldiers there are Jews, or that there are tons of other military products that the U.S. uses there that are Israeli invented or made as it is....the horror rofl

Lastly if we Jews can use the K98 even with all the history that it comes with, well I think the Arabs or the U.S "lefties" have no business decrying the U.S. use of "Jewish" bullets, when it doesn’t even come close to the sensitivity of the K98 and what we faced.


gees this is whole thing is getting absurd already :roll:


Shalom :D

[Moledet]

I don't care who Israel sell ammo to but the US military should where ever possible use US made ammo for the simple reason that it keeps Americans in jobs and if ammo is in short supply it should be sourced from other NATO stockpiles even if it is to be used in non NATO actions.
Do you know why they asked from IMI to make their bullets? Because you have a shortage, the american company is not making enough bullets.
The second reason is that only IMI and the american company fit the US requirments (quality).

[UkrainianAmerican]

Nicely said IDFM203! woot

[One_A]

...The problem is that the U.S. ammo factories are already strained to its limit...

That is not the reason why we are considering Isreali made 5.56.

Lethality testing has shown that IMIs versions of the M855 ammunition perform differently.

[Geezah]

I don't care who Israel sell ammo to but the US military should where ever possible use US made ammo for the simple reason that it keeps Americans in jobs and if ammo is in short supply it should be sourced from other NATO stockpiles even if it is to be used in non NATO actions.The problem is that the U.S. ammo factories are already strained to its limit so buying from Israel is NOT loosing any U.S. jobs.


Ammo at the civilian level hasn't been strained but I think the US military only has like one ammo factory(?) over here and that's what's been causing a problem, now I'm sure if the bullets were greased in pigs fat then I could see the media having something to cry about where as I think it would be fitting ;)

[big80a2]

didn't Saddam's sons drink zionist Makabie beer?

rofl

NO ISRAELI BULLETS TO IRAQ; NO ARAB WORKERS TO EUROPE :P p-)

[cqbrdy]

the US air force uses plastic bullets to qualify with the m16a2.

[Geezah]

http://www.ammoman.com/images/223-winch-q3131a.jpg

[IDFM203]

...The problem is that the U.S. ammo factories are already strained to its limit...

That is not the reason why we are considering Isreali made 5.56.

Lethality testing has shown that IMIs versions of the M855 ammunition perform differently.hey trust me you wont see me arguing on the great quality of Israeli ammo ;) :D , and indeed I agree that is also a reason why they are chosen, however I am simply responding to what the article says and also what a poster said here about losing American jobs and well Acc. to that article that was the initial post in this thread, one of the major reasons was due to there being insufficient supply of ammo to the military and the IMI ones were to take up the slack and all I said if true well that doesn’t mean that any American jobs are lost to that.

Shalom :D

[Ghostwolf]

http://www.ammoman.com/images/223-winch-q3131a.jpg

Made in Israel, eh? Are these koshered bullets? rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

http://www.ammoman.com/images/223-winch-q3131a.jpg

Made in Israel, eh? Are these koshered bullets? rofl
Oh f*ck that reminds me, I may have a kosher project next year its going to be a total f*ckin nightmare I can only hope it falls through. :lol:

[MEGR]

Thanks for the ammo Israel.. How many bulldozers do you want?

[MVSpartan117]

thats f**king retarded....

[AirZone]

Thanks for the ammo Israel.. How many bulldozers do you want? rofl rofl

we have enough thanks ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Thanks for the ammo Israel.. How many bulldozers do you want?
:lol:
What FREE TRADE is all about.

[One_A]

the US air force uses plastic bullets to qualify with the m16a2.

M862 5.56mm Short Range Training Ammunition (SRTA)

[Fargin]

I like the symbolics of the gesture. p-)


NO ARAB WORKERS TO EUROPE

I dislike this one though. I imagine you tried your best to say something funny.

[big80a2]

I like the symbolics of the gesture. p-)


NO ARAB WORKERS TO EUROPE

I dislike this one though. I imagine you tried your best to say something funny.

;)

[gilgoul]

:


Shalom :D

Good post IDFM, right to the point :hug:
If I may add a little thing, The USA are not the only one to use the IMI 55 grain 223, France (yes, FRANCE) bought quantities of this ammo because it`s simply good, i heard that holland did the same.
Another thing, in Israel we do`nt only use the IMI round, but a bunch of rounds marked "T Z Z x year", the X stating for what i take as a month number but i might be wrong about that.
i`d like to point out that I was often procured with FN and "W C C" marked 7.62mm rounds, the FN seeming to be obviously from FN hertzal of belgium, but once agin i might be wrong and would welcome any documented correction ;) .
In any way, an other debate for nothing, when oriented media, specialist of political correctness (in my non PC way i call them flies ****ers) and "arab sensitivities are working for the same purpose, something is definitely wrong.

[2RHPZ]

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