Evolution of the Sturmgewehr

[REMOV]

Evolution of the Sturmgewehr or what, if the Germany didn't lose the war? ;)

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/IWA2007/th__BD42H_01.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/IWA2007/_BD42H_01.jpg)
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/IWA2007/th__BD42H_02.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/IWA2007/_BD42H_02.jpg)
The beginning 1942...

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__MP43_04.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_MP43_04.jpg)
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__MP43_02.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_MP43_02.jpg)
...1945, enemy at the gates...

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__BD44-Folding-Stock_02.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_BD44-Folding-Stock_02.jpg)
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__BD44-Folding-Stock_01.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_BD44-Folding-Stock_01.jpg)
...19xx, folding stock...

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__BD44-Picatinny_01.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_BD44-Picatinny_01.jpg)
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/th__BD44-Picatinny_02.jpg (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_BD44-Picatinny_02.jpg)
... and finally - AD2009 model. Tactical look, Picatinny rails everywhere, no iron sights just red dot. Oh, we'll still waiting for a Magpul new 30-rounds polymer StG-MAG ;)

[kopema]

TheSturmgewehr was basically a proof-of-concept prototype that was forced into production.

It would have been replaced in a very few years, no matter who won the war.

[Frens]

I had the chance to try it; awsome rifle for that time!
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3744/hpim2896.jpg

[Aldo Penniconi]

Not to forget there would also be Commando Carbine, SMG, and DMR derivatives depending which situation the Third Reich ended up fighting after 1945.

It would more likely end up forming the basis of the CETME/G3 rifles even if Germany didnt lose the war, but in different calibres as they wouldnt follow NATO Regulations.

[He219]

lol'z REMOV
made me think of this pic I saw a few years back ...
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4350/stg44.jpg

[Chulo]

I had the chance to try it; awsome rifle for that time!

damm lucky you

[Gleipnir]

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv2/radialsesamoid/stg-44.jpg

[Frens]

damm lucky you

well, actually the friend that owns it is more lucky than me p-)

other than that "firepower mod44" marking (wtf?!?) on the stock is was all original with those nice looking nazi markings (aka waffenamt)
to bad it was converted to semiauto only in order to be make it legal to own (:fork:)

[kayaker]

Let me get this straight: Germany turned to the G3 battle rifle after the introduction of the SG assault rifle during the war years because the US wanted the 7.62mm calibre as NATO standard? For which the SG was obviously ill suited...

[Molli]

Let me get this straight: Germany turned to the G3 battle rifle after the introduction of the SG assault rifle during the war years because the US wanted the 7.62mm calibre as NATO standard? For which the SG was obviously ill suited...
No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3

[kayaker]

cheers...!!

[zema_06]

in this picture we can se a number of rare (relatively) firearms:
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv2/radialsesamoid/stg-44.jpg

mp44
svt40
some sort of beretta mab
a carcano m38 (with underfolder bayonet)

[Molli]

I've got a book that features that picture (Corbett, R. Guerrilla Warfare: From 1939 to the Present Day, Orbis, London 1986); if anyone is interested, the caption reads:
Women of the West Somali Liberation Front express their support for Somalia during the war against Ethopia for the border territory of the Ogaden in 1977-8. Although Somalia lost the war due to Russian and Cuban intervention, unrest persists in the border areas.

[jtv3062]

in this picture we can se a number of rare (relatively) firearms:
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv2/radialsesamoid/stg-44.jpg

mp44
svt40
some sort of beretta mab
a carcano m38 (with underfolder bayonet)

I see a M14, but I don't see the svt40

[HappyCat]

I'm not sure if it is an SVT, but I can tell you it looks nothing like the M14 I used to have.

[Bro Jangles]

I'm not sure if it is an SVT, but I can tell you it looks nothing like the M14 I used to have.
The M14 is dead center in the back, i say Hakim for the mystery gun.

[jtv3062]

I'm not sure if it is an SVT, but I can tell you it looks nothing like the M14 I used to have.

I'm sorry for the short post above

I see a M14 in that picture, however I don't see a svt 40 in the picture. can you point it out.

I have a svt 40 in my closet right now. I'm cleaning it for my father.

[Bro Jangles]

I'm sorry for the short post above

I see a M14 in that picture, however I don't see a svt 40 in the picture. can you point it out.

I have a svt 40 in my closet right now. I'm cleaning it for my father.

Hakim

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/Untitled-2.jpg

EDIT- far right MAS49?

[koalorka]

The MP 43 was innovative, but a simplified replacement was already planned in 1943. The roller-delayed guns were developed parallel to the StG 44 program, they have very little common lineage.

[rhino]

cool stuff REMOV, you going to tell the story or do I have to buy one of the arms magasins?

[matthew.manhorn]

Where in the world did you get those ammo from...?

And wow at the folding stock, I also thought that the Russians (AKS74) or the Israeli's (Galil) are the first countries to introduce folding stocks to assault rifles.

[HappyCat]

ok, yeah. I saw what I thought was the SVT and stopped looking for a possible M14. I see it now. Thanks.

[Aldo Penniconi]

Where in the world did you get those ammo from...?

And wow at the folding stock, I also thought that the Russians (AKS74) or the Israeli's (Galil) are the first countries to introduce folding stocks to assault rifles.

The underfolding stock of the AK47 is based on the MP40, which was also used on the StG45 concept:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/German-WWII_Rifles/StG45_ProtoType.jpg

[REMOV]

Where in the world did you get those ammo from...?From Prvi Partizan (http://www.prvipartizan.com/), Serbia.

[REMOV]

The underfolding stock of the AK47 is based on the MP40, which was also used on the StG45 conceptI am afraid this concept is a hoax.