China's new stealth catamaran missile vessels

[Xingbake]

It was just launched at Shanghai Jiangnan dockyard in April.

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[Falco]

shouldn't it be called a trimaran?

[Fintin]

is it worrying anyone else that china is building such a huge arms build up?

[Falco]

is it worrying anyone else that china is building such a huge arms build up?

I think it's more attributable to the explosion of chinese members on this forums.

[Bayonet]

is it worrying anyone else that china is building such a huge arms build up?

I think it's more attributable to the explosion of chinese members on this forums.


HAHA.....I knew this website from a chinese military website...

Then I came here want to meet more foreign soldiers and mitilary fans

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Ratamacue]

Yeah, if there's one thing that this site has impressed me with, it's the sheer variety of nationalities it attracts. When I first joined it was almost entirely American, but I'm glad to see that things have changed.

[J-10]

Yeah, if there's one thing that this site has impressed me with, it's the sheer variety of nationalities it attracts. When I first joined it was almost entirely American, but I'm glad to see that things have changed.

Now this is a hot forum. :D

[usa320]

yeah, China has been building this stuff for a while, its just now being brought to our attention because there are more Chinese members as of late, which isnt a bad thing...

I think the Chinese members here not only provide some good pics, but decent, fair insight.

[Bayonet]

Thank u ,usa320......

One question...you borned in 3/20? :D

[J-10]

yeah, China has been building this stuff for a while, its just now being brought to our attention because there are more Chinese members as of late, which isnt a bad thing...

I think the Chinese members here not only provide some good pics, but decent, fair insight.

Thanks usa320 :D

[Xingbake]

Actually most Chinese peoplel are quite friendly to American. The major issue is that US gov't intervenes too much in the strait relation.

[Ghostwolf]

Actually most Chinese peoplel are quite friendly to American.

Oh really?? Is that coming out of your mouth or your ass? Why don't you look at this Chinese website and see for yourself, they are posting death pictures of American soldiers killed in Iraq!! Most of the members there were cheering at the American deaths, one of them actually said "the more dead Americans the better."

http://www.war-sky.com/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=11333&show=0

[Bayonet]

Actually most Chinese peoplel are quite friendly to American.

Oh really?? Is that coming out of your mouth or your ass? Why don't you look at this Chinese website and see for yourself, they are posting death pictures of American soldiers killed in Iraq!! Most of the members there were cheering at the American deaths, one of them actually said "the more dead Americans the better."

http://www.war-sky.com/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=11333&show=0


The reason they hate Americans because american government support
the independence of TAIWAN.......
Your support of taiwan is making more and more chinese people especially young people angry with americans,

you american ignore this important reason ,,,,
we didn't born with the hate of americans........


But...as my opinion...I think we (CHINA and US) can be good friends...
You help us on TAIWAN issue, we help you to persuade NK to give up their nuke plan.....That's very fair....What do u think ablut it?






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[Xingbake]

Actually most Chinese peoplel are quite friendly to American.

Oh really?? Is that coming out of your mouth or your ass? Why don't you look at this Chinese website and see for yourself, they are posting death pictures of American soldiers killed in Iraq!! Most of the members there were cheering at the American deaths, one of them actually said "the more dead Americans the better."

http://www.war-sky.com/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=11333&show=0

Your parent give you mouth to speak! Don't use your ass to speak!

These pictures are posted anywhere on the worldwide websites. I say MOST Chinese people are friendly to Americans. But for those US soliders dead in Iraqi, you should blame your own government! Your gov't send your own young people to be cannon fodder just for the fake intelligence!! So don't shout at other country people!

[SpikeATGM]

Actually most Chinese peoplel are quite friendly to American.

Oh really?? Is that coming out of your mouth or your ass? Why don't you look at this Chinese website and see for yourself, they are posting death pictures of American soldiers killed in Iraq!! Most of the members there were cheering at the American deaths, one of them actually said "the more dead Americans the better."

http://www.war-sky.com/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=11333&show=0


Actually most people in the world have a love hate relationship with america.

[Mark Sman]

The US has, and continues, to support a One China policy.

This policy has been in place for some time through numerous administrations, and nothing has changed.

We DO NOT support reunification of China by force of arms.

So how about convincing that crazy southern neighbor of yours to ditch the nukes before he sets one off on your front door?

Might be in both our best interests.

And chill with that cannon fodder stuff. Not going to go over here well at all.

No matter what. Clear?

I hope so.

[Bayonet]

If one day Taiwan government claim that
"Henceforward , Taiwan is an independent country"

What will you do ???

What shall we chinese do???

I need more answers....foreign friends(not only americans)
...come in ...
and give me your answers

Thank you very much.......

[Mark Sman]

Flip out.

It would be a freakin' disaster.

The US would not support an inedependent Taiwan, and if they didn't start making nice about reunification immediately we would do some incremental stuff.

1. Stop shipping weapons.

2. Stop trade. (This one would probably do it.)

3. Break all relations, and announce that we would not defend against an invasion.

Things that could bust this up.

1. Any Chinese invasion before step 3 above.

2. UN recognition of Taiwan as a country. (Wild card, don't know what we'd do then.)

3. Everybody coming to their senses. (The least likely of all options, but stranger things have happened.)

The "Happy Place" would be a nice peaceful reunification of markets into one solid MFN trading partner, err I mean country.

[Xingbake]

The US has, and continues, to support a One China policy.

This policy has been in place for some time through numerous administrations, and nothing has changed.

We DO NOT support reunification of China by force of arms.

So how about convincing that crazy southern neighbor of yours to ditch the nukes before he sets one off on your front door?

Might be in both our best interests.

And chill with that cannon fodder stuff. Not going to go over here well at all.

No matter what. Clear?

I hope so.

How do you think about the American civil war? At that time, the southern states had already declared independence and even elected their own President, capital, national flag, etc... almost everything of an independent country was there. The people of southern states also had strong aspiration of independence.

So why the American gov't still started a war? Why did President Lincoln seek for reunification by force of arms? And why even now a day the American still treat Lincoln as a great President?

[oldsoak]

Chinese from mainland China see Americas involvement with Taiwan in a light almost akin to the way Unionist America saw British involvement with the Confederacy during the civil war - a foreign superpower supplying weapons to a breakaway state in a civil war. OK, we can argue the point, but thats how they see it. They feel shocked by events like 9/11 but angered that the Americans would suggest the Taiwanese target dams in mainland China in event of war, which would result in considerable damage and loss of life. On the other hand there is a lot about America they like. There is also the memory that the US backed the nationalists against the communists - so it all adds up to mixed feelings. Depending on how you last behaved to them rules how they feel about the US at any given moment. Bet you that if the murderers of the Chinese workmen in A'stan been shot up by the US forces, they'd be very positive about you.

[Mark Sman]

Not everyone in this country thinks Lincoln was that great.

I do, but not everyone. That has more to do with reconstruction, which if you want to know about, we have to start a different thread.

By the time of the American Civil War (or the War of Northern Aggression depending on when and where you were raised) the US had been operating as a soverign nation, under the same constitution for about 84 years.

The constitution that we operated under did not have an option to pull out. Also, many people North and South fought not alone for Union or dissolvement of that Union.

There were several million people in the South kept as slaves. This was, and still is, a big issue. Many of the northern states and people could no more abide a slave owning independent South then they had been able to accept slave owning states.

Their were more issues at play than just the form of the republic.

[Mark Sman]

Also, British involvement in the American Civil War was minimal at best.

A non-issue really.

[Bayonet]

Flip out.

1. Any Chinese invasion before step 3 above.

2. UN recognition of Taiwan as a country. (Wild card, don't know what we'd do then.)

3. Everybody coming to their senses. (The least likely of all options, but stranger things have happened.)



2 wouln't come true...we and russia would't let it pass in UN...

3 would't come true....If chinese government do nothing when Taiwanness

claim the independence, I think millions of chinese people will rush into

Beijing to kill these cravens.......

But 1.......I think as soon as they claim independence ,
the war would burn out.........

[Mark Sman]

Taiwan, on the ther hand, had been administered by the Japanese until the end of WWII.

When China was forming its nation, it was a case of who would come out on top.

The Nationalists lost and pulled back to Taiwan, chosing to form a government under the original 1946 documents.

The situation is more analagous to the American Revoltionary War than the Civil War. Especially since the American Revolutionary War did seee significant involvement from multiple foreign powers.

[Mark Sman]

we and russia would't let it pass in UN...

He he.
When I first read that I thougt you meant the US and Russia. Because the US sure as hell does not want to see the UN recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Very bad from the US point of view.

[Bayonet]

Taiwan, on the ther hand, had been administered by the Japanese until the end of WWII.

.


You Wrong.....At least 1500 years ago, Taiwan had been a part of China

and was administered by Fujian province.....

And in Ming dynasty(about 700 years ago) , emperor let it be a province like Zhejiang ,Fujian...

Japanese invaded it in Qing dynasty...and controled it for 50 years

and during this 50 years ,taiwanness didnt stop fight to get back to

China.

[Mark Sman]

Under the series of events you have laid out on Taiwanese independence, I would have to say this.

If Taiwan declare independence (yikes)

Then the Chinese will attempt to cross the straits (double yikes)

The US Navy will shatter anything on the water bigger than a breadbox. (triple yikes)

Then the world decends into economic chaos and it doesn't really matter anymore.

Also, I don't know where you got the idea that the US supports Taiwanese independence. Not from the US I can assure you.

If you were told that, you were told it by the Chinese government or someone who can't do math.

[Mark Sman]

You Wrong.

Me right.

Japan occupied Taiwan until the end of WWII. Look it up.

China didn't have a governemnt when WWII ended, didn't have much of one when it started.

China had a revolution to see who would control the country. The communists won.

The Nationalists fled to Taiwan.

And We STILL don't support an independent Taiwan in the US.

Hence, we don't recognize them as a nation.

[Bayonet]

we and russia would't let it pass in UN...

He he.
When I first read that I thougt you meant the US and Russia. Because the US sure as hell does not want to see the UN recognize Taiwan as an independent country. Very bad from the US point of view.

Wait..Wait....we seem to find the biggest misaprehension between China and US.....

All of chinese people always think you Americans want to help Taiwan to be an independent country and will defend it when PLA start to do something ;) .....


But why you said that "the US sure as hell does not want to see the UN recognize Taiwan as an independent country"?

I cant understand....

[Mark Sman]

Because the US wants to see China reunified.

But only peacefully.

An invasion will be met with force.

Negotiations with support.

[Bayonet]

Because the US wants to see China reunified.

But only peacefully.

An invasion will be met with force.

Negotiations with support.

What????? the US wants to see China reunified?!?!?!

People and government in CHINA always think that what your goal is to stop our reunification ........

God.....I am going mad.......

I think we should start a formal topic, and have a further discussion.....

[Mark Sman]

He man, I have to go in about 20 minutes. I may reply to another post and then have to leave.

Be back later for more discussions.

Gotta play golf. Might be awhile.

[Bayonet]

I will wait for you ,you suprised me so much......

When u come back , let's have a futher discussion

[Mark Sman]

http://www.state.gov/p/eap/rls/rm/2004/31649.htm


It is useful to reiterate the core principles of our policy:

* The United States remains committed to our one China policy based on the three Joint Communiqués and the Taiwan Relations Act;
* The U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan or unilateral moves that would change the status quo as we define it;
* For Beijing, this means no use of force or threat to use force against Taiwan. For Taipei, it means exercising prudence in managing all aspects of cross-Strait relations. For both sides, it means no statements or actions that would unilaterally alter Taiwan’s status;
* The U.S. will continue the sale of appropriate defensive military equipment to Taiwan in accordance with the Taiwan Relations Act; and
* Viewing any use of force against Taiwan with grave concern, we will maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion against Taiwan.


Last thing gotta go now.

Back later.

[O-3]

I personally believe we should not let down our guard when interacting with the Chinese.

[ZeroPositive]

someone should Ban 03 for his stupid ignorant comments...
friking troll get outta here

[Xingbake]

I personally believe we should not let down our guard when interacting with the Chinese.

The typical China threaten theory. :( :(


If you read Chinese history, you will find that China(I mean Chinese) never invaded other countries even when China was at the most powerful stage, e.g. Tang Dynasty. On the contrary, China was invaded by other nations several times.

[Identity31690]

What about the China/Russia border skirmishes?


"Our observation posts noted the advance of 30 armed Chinese military men on the island of Damansky. Consequently, a group of Soviet border guards was dispatched to the location where the Chinese had violated the border. The officer in charge of the unit and a small contingent approached the border violators with the intention of registering protests and demanding (without using force) that they leave Soviet territory, as had been done repeatedly in the past. But within the first minutes of the exchange, our border guards came under crossfire and were insidiously shot without any warning. At the same time, fire on the remaining parts of our force was opened from an ambush on the island and from the Chinese shore."



http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/15/spotlight/

[tacticalmanta]

No offense to the Chinese memebers, but China's History concerning Taiwan and Tibet.. coupled with China's new drive for a blue water navy are issues of concern. To ignore these issues is not the wisest move a country should make.

[Bayonet]

No offense to the Chinese memebers, but China's History concerning Taiwan and Tibet.. coupled with China's new drive for a blue water navy are issues of concern. To ignore these issues is not the wisest move a country should make.

Hey...It doesn't matter...We'd like to discuss these with foreign friends. :D

The crucial and basic goal we have is to reunify our motherland...

We will do everything to achieve this goal....

Even by force.....so a blue water navy is necessary, because taiwan is in Pacific not Yangzi river...... ;)

Of course...I want to see a peaceful reunification.......

[vryhpyammoadded]

Actually most people in the world have a love hate relationship with america.

Much like most Americans ;)

That's a cool little boat. I havn't seen that little trimaran yet. Thanks Xingbake!

As for the Taiwan issue, I think they will eventually unify with the PRC peacefully in a couple of generations anyway. I just hope everyone remains calm till then and no hot heads pull the trigger. That would get ugly fast.

[O-3]

I believe its in everybody's best interest that China be broken into several smaller countries. Looking back at history I cant honestly see them as the peace loving bunch. And that the best way to deal with them is bring them to their knees, thru the use of force, much like we are doing to the Muslim Terrrorists. Yes, I do perceive China as a ROGUE state and the ChiComm as a TERRORIST organization.

[Xingbake]

I believe its in everybody's best interest that China be broken into several smaller countries. Looking back at history I cant honestly see them as the peace loving bunch. And that the best way to deal with them is bring them to their knees, thru the use of force, much like we are doing to the Muslim Terrrorists. Yes, I do perceive China as a ROGUE state and the ChiComm as a TERRORIST organization.

Stop your fu**ing asswhole wordings! It seems you're using your organ to think since you don't have brain!!

[ch2=ch2]

I believe its in everybody's best interest that China be broken into several smaller countries. Looking back at history I cant honestly see them as the peace loving bunch. And that the best way to deal with them is bring them to their knees, thru the use of force, much like we are doing to the Muslim Terrrorists. Yes, I do perceive China as a ROGUE state and the ChiComm as a TERRORIST organization.

Stop your fu**ing asswhole wordings! It seems you're using your organ to think since you don't have brain!!

To Xingbake: just ignore this guy, he try to enrage the Chinese here
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