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Chulo
03-24-2009, 03:33 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/24/AR2009032400847.html?hpid=topnews


Geithner Asks Congress for Broad Power to Seize Firms

Goal Is to Limit Risk to Broader Economy



By Binyamin Appelbaum, David Cho and Debbi Wilgoren (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/binyamin+appelbaum,+david+cho+and+debbi+wilgoren/)
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, March 24, 2009; 10:42 AM

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner today told Congress the administration will seek unprecedented power to seize non-bank financial companies whose collapse could jeopardize the economy, a move Geithner said would have allowed the government to bail out insurance giant American International Group at a far lower cost to taxpayers.
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The government at present has the authority to seize only banks.
Allowing the Treasury Department to take over a broader range of companies, such as large insurers, investment firms and hedge funds, would mark a significant shift from the existing model of financial regulation, which relies on independent agencies that are shielded from the political process. The Treasury secretary, a member of the president's Cabinet, would exercise the new powers in consultation with the White House, the Federal Reserve and other regulators.

"Our system permitted a scale of risk taking that has caused grave damage to the fortunes of all Americans," Geithner said in testimony before the House Financial Services Committee. " . . . We must create a new resolution authority so that the federal government has the tools it needs to unwind an institution of the size and complexity of AIG."
The administration plans to send legislation to Capitol Hill this week. The hearing on Capitol Hill was scheduled to address the furor over bonuses paid to executives at AIG, which the government has propped up with about $180 billion in federal aid. The company paid more than $165 million in retention bonuses to employees at its Financial Products division, the same unit whose complex derivatives largely precipitated the company's downfall.
Republican lawmakers used their opening statements to question who in the Obama knew about the bonuses and whether more could have been done to stop them. They also voiced strong reservations about whether the new administration's economic track record so far could support a move to further expand its powers.
But committee Chairman Rep. Barney Frank (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/f000339) (D-Mass.) seemed inclined to support Geithner's request, saying the government should have the same power over all financial services firms as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation does over banks.
"Banks also failed in 2008 . . . But the fact is that we have in place mechanisms . . . that contained the damage," Frank said. " . . . We need to give somebody, somewhere in the federal government. . . the power to do what the FDIC can do with banks.
Geithner testified that the AIG debacle "highlights broad failures of our financial system. Our regulatory system was not equipped to prevent the build up of dangerous levels of risk . . . The U.S. government does not have the legal means today to manage the orderly restructuring of a large, complex, non-bank financial institution that poses a threat to the stability of our financial system."
Appearing on television news shows this morning, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the White House wants "resolution authority to go in and be able to change contracts, be able to change the business model, unwind what doesn't work." Geithner is testifying alongside Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, whose said in his opening statement that he wanted to file a lawsuit to prevent AIG from paying the bonuses but was advised by counsel that to do so would be too risky.
The administration's proposal contains two pieces. First, it would empower a government agency to take on the new role of systemic risk regulator with broad oversight of any and all financial firms whose failure could disrupt the broader economy. The Federal Reserve is widely considered to be the leading candidate for this assignment. But some critics warn that this could conflict with the Fed's other responsibilities, particularly its control over monetary policy.
The government also would assume the authority to seize such firms if they totter toward failure.
Besides seizing a company outright, the Treasury Secretary could use a range of tools to prevent its collapse, such as guaranteeing losses, buying assets or taking a partial ownership stake. Such authority also would allow the government to break contracts, such as the agreements to pay $165 million in bonuses to employees of AIG's most troubled unit.
The Treasury secretary could act only after consulting with the president and getting a recommendation from two-thirds of the Federal Reserve Board, according to the plan.
"This is common sense. This isn't anything crazy," Gibbs told CNN. " . . . If the Treasury had resolution authority on AIG, you wouldn't have to put it in bankruptcy to change executive compensation, you could do that automatically."
AIG chairman Edward M. Liddy testified before the same House committee last week, but Frank vowed at the time to hold a second hearing "to more thoroughly examine the oversight of the federal government's intervention" at AIG.
Last week, the House overwhelmingly passed legislation that would tax 90 percent of the retention payments. Yesterday, New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced that the majority of executives at AIG Financial Products had indicated their willingness (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302162.html?hpid=topnews) to return the retention payments they had received, and Senate leaders said they will put off consideration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032303201.html?hpid=topnews) of their version of the tax bill.
Geithner plans to lay out the administration's broader strategy for overhauling financial regulation at another hearing on Thursday.
The authority to seize non-bank financial firms emerged as a priority for the administration after the failure of investment house Lehman Brothers, which was not a traditional bank, and the troubled rescue of AIG.
"We're very late in doing this, but we've got to move quickly to try and do this because, again, it's a necessary thing for any government to have a broader range of tools for dealing with these kinds of things, so you can protect the economy from the kind of risks posed by institutions that get to the point where they're systemic," Geithner said last night at a forum held by the Wall Street Journal.
The powers would parallel the government's existing authority over banks, which are exercised by banking regulatory agencies in conjunction with the FDIC. Geithner has cited that structure as the model for the government's plans.
Staff writer Brady Dennis contributed to this report.
i wonder where this would go, and any way, what would be the use of having a private sector anymore?

Flagg
03-24-2009, 05:49 PM
Giving the government more all-encompassing power must be good, right?!? :|

It will surely make it easier to implement old-school capital controls.........making people financial prisoners in their own country.

Gat0r
03-24-2009, 06:57 PM
I shouldn't be suprised anymore by the new draconian measures these scumbags want to implement, I guess i'll take solace in the fact that they are going to go broke trying to undertake all of this.

Masterstrokes
03-24-2009, 07:27 PM
But but but ... I thought my liberal friends had selected The One ... The Messiah ... Mr. New Administration ...

Instead reducing executive interference which the loony liberals complained President G.W.Bush was doing ... Comrade Geithner is asking for more executive powers ...

More executive powers mean more of President G.W.Bush ... so where is the change??

Rakki
03-24-2009, 08:33 PM
For a moment I thought it was going to be a thread about Chavez.

Jobu
03-24-2009, 08:34 PM
For a moment I thought it was going to be a thread about Chavez.

We're not far from it I fear.

Just how much power is this President seeking?

loganinkosovo
03-24-2009, 08:38 PM
Just how much power is this President seeking?


All of it, Comrade, ALL OF IT!

To the Barricades, Children! To the Barricades!




Coming to a town near you.....soon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MS2vZLW9Xk

shocker1
03-24-2009, 08:42 PM
What the hell are these guys doing? It's the Twilight Zone.

The Obama administration will call for increased oversight of executive pay at all banks, Wall Street firms and possibly other companies as part of a plan to overhaul financial regulation, the New York Times reported.
Obama is expected to announce the plan, which officials said would include a broad new role for the Fed to oversee large companies, ahead of the G-20 summit in early April.
The administration was still debating details of the plan including how broadly it should be applied and how far it should go beyond simple reporting requirements, the Times said, quoting unnamed officials.

Walter Sobchak
03-24-2009, 09:35 PM
We're not far from it I fear.

Just how much power is this President seeking?

Despots like to seize power and rights they don't have, "in the public good". However, those crazy old men who wrote the Constitution understood that, so they put in those Bill of Rights, even though James Madison said, "You won't need those, because the Constitution clearly states what the Federal government CAN do". I see they were right.

Sixth Amendment... ensured by the Second Amendment!

But we better look out for his "civilian security force" that is "as powerful and well-funded" as the US military!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak

Remember, he KEEPS his promises! Strum Abteilung anyone?

Chulo
03-24-2009, 09:40 PM
Despots like to seize power and rights they don't have, "in the public good". However, those crazy old men who wrote the Constitution understood that, so they put in those Bill of Rights, even though James Madison said, "You won't need those, because the Constitution clearly states what the Federal government CAN do". I see they were right.

Sixth Amendment... ensured by the Second Amendment!
oh yea, the Constitution also, which Obama thinks is "Flawed"
I wont be surprised when he moves to "Fix" that soon

Arsenal
03-24-2009, 10:41 PM
Wesley Mouch Asks Congress for Broad Power to Seize Firms

Seems more accurate.

budgie
03-24-2009, 11:18 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/24/AR2009032400847.html?hpid=topnews

i wonder where this would go, and any way, what would be the use of having a private sector anymore?

It certainly seems a bit drastic but is no worse than many Western European democracies with stricter financial controls than America is used to. Remember it was the freewheeling of a market economy that got everyone into this mess - not to mention a hands-off, spend like there's no tomorrow party for the past eight years. American voters were ready for change and this is it. A little guidance from the government may seem un-American but there's no need to cry, "Chavez!". If it doesn't work out you can sack the b@stards in four years' time.

Besides if this piece of legislation is that bad, Congress will shoot it down.

Chulo
03-24-2009, 11:25 PM
It certainly seems a bit drastic but is no worse than many Western European democracies with stricter financial controls than America is used to. Remember it was the freewheeling of a market economy that got everyone into this mess - not to mention a hands-off, spend like there's no tomorrow party for the past eight years. American voters were ready for change and this is it. A little guidance from the government may seem un-American but there's no need to cry, "Chavez!". If it doesn't work out you can sack the b@stards in four years' time.
and the hands on "no oversight" that the Congress voted on. It wasnt the failure of a free market, it was the failure of oversight and the disregard of people's greed mixed with self-interest and stupidity.
And if you want to talk about "hands-off, spend like there's no tomorrow party for the past eight years" look what has happened in the past few weeks with the spending AND limited oversight and scrutiny. Wasnt it Obama that said, "Just sign it, its too important to worry about the details"
those small details such as the AIG manufactured fisaco

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-25-2009, 02:47 AM
Given the fact that some CEO's may not act prudently, lawfully or morally when the the sh*t is about to hit the fan I would imagine that a big stick may need to be used on occasion. I know that many feel such actions are un-American but successive US governments take on the US constitution seems to be reflected in the moment.

Nano
03-25-2009, 10:16 AM
I'm all for this as long as it begins with the Fed and ends with the Treasury.

Laconian
03-25-2009, 10:24 AM
The words "tragically stupid mistake" came to mind when I heard of this. You want more oversight? Fine, then expand the roles of some other already existing regulatory agency - there are enough of them out there, but to give this type of power to a Treasury secretary is whacked. This implies there will be no debate, the Secretary will make a decision to seize privately held assets because the company is "important."

khukuri
03-25-2009, 01:36 PM
Post 9/11 republicans with theyr new laws made personal integrity and freedoms less.

Post recession the democrats doing the same thing but to companies.

Gat0r
03-25-2009, 01:48 PM
It certainly seems a bit drastic but is no worse than many Western European democracies with stricter financial controls than America is used to. Remember it was the freewheeling of a market economy that got everyone into this mess - not to mention a hands-off, spend like there's no tomorrow party for the past eight years. American voters were ready for change and this is it. A little guidance from the government may seem un-American but there's no need to cry, "Chavez!". If it doesn't work out you can sack the b@stards in four years' time.

Besides if this piece of legislation is that bad, Congress will shoot it down.

There are over 73,000 pages of government regulations on business and finance. We should be looking at the issuer of credit and the manipulator of interest rates the Federal Reserve for the source of the problem. How about all of those government guarentee's for Fannie and Freddie? Banks were creating loans and selling them to these two GSE's who were then making them into investments that AIG got their hands all over. Its the central bank and the moral hazard of government backing that created this situation. And now all of us get to pay for their centrally devized disaster.