I can't stand this damn right wing nationalism any longer

[punkindrublic]

Ok, I am bored tonight and a friend of mine sent me a link to this thread. So being who I am and after reading through most of it, I decided to register just to post this reply. Sorry if this this gets a little long, but I feel it has to be said.

Right, I have heard just about as much of this right-wing nationalism as I can stand. I am a strong liberal/anarchist. I really couldn't care less if I get flammed horribbly for this, do you worst because I will most likely never visit this forum again. Bush is a facist. He institution of policies such as The Patriot Act further prove this. He says that any american citizen tied to bin laden or his network is entitled to be exterminated by the CIA. If this is true then bush and his entire family are entitled be shot on the spot. Both bush and his father had strong ties to the now deceased Salem Bin-Laden. As said by VOX, "By the administration’s own policy, both Bushes must be immediately destroyed. No trial, no explanation, no warning - Just immediate obliteration.

According to White House officials the President’s policy is that “association” alone, with ANY suspected Al Queda or terrorist, is sufficient enough justification for immediate extermination by the CIA or US military.


Yet there is NO other family in America today who has had closer ties with the Bin Ladens than the Bush family. And that bears repeating.


THERE IS NO OTHER FAMILY IN AMERICA WHICH HAS HAD CLOSER ASSOCIATIONS AND SUSPICIOUS DEALINGS WITH THE BIN LADEN FAMILY THAN GEORGE BUSH SENIOR AND JUNIOR. NO OTHER AMERICANS! Period. Prove us wrong . . . "


by voxfux
I Completly agree with this statement. Shortly after publishing this article voxfux's house was raided by the FBI and local police. No warrent, No reason other then he was speaking out against Bush. If that isn't a display of facism I dont know what is. Bush wants oil, plain and simple. He wants to be popular with the american masses. Bush and his staff even critized the great Nelson Mandela for his comments against the war with iraq. I fully, 100% support every liberal and anti-war "yuppie" as you so kindly refer to them as. My belief is this government should be over thrown and totally redesigned. That way I wont have to worry about the feds breaking down my door because I do not like they way george bush handles things. Thats all cuz I'm going to bed because I'm going to a show tomorrow night.

Red White and BullSh**

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[TheReverend]

MMMkay then. Thanks for stopping by... uh.. right.

Rev.

[OzMan]

Can't believe he actually wasted that much time and space for something he'll never come back to. But if he does:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AMERICA, THEN GET THE HELL OUT. QUIT WASTING OUR TIME. BE HAPPY THAT YOU HAVE THE FREEDOMS THAT YOU DO BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE BUSH.

I think there's the families of some 3,000+ people who died about a year and half ago that might have something to say about that. :backhand:

[GearGod]

Unless you are Al-Queda, you dont have to worry about Bush. Why speak out against Bush as if you are attempting to defend Al-Queda? Do you have anything else that you would like to speak out against Bush instead of Al-Queda? If its anything thats non-Al-Queda related, then you probably wouldn't have to worry about the FBI.

[Alpha54]

I'm a Mexican American who was pretty much raised here. My parents were raised in the corrupt government of Mexico. Which pretty much no one had a voice in the workings of the nation. When I talk to my dad about the comments that some people make on this site (morons), it surprises me and him, how people take this great nation for granted. Be it that some of our decisions are made for political or monetary gain. But why do you think we drive suburbans and sports cars instead of yugos or goverment issued volkswagens. This is a great nation, that gives you a chance to become who you want to be with hard work and sacrafice. If you don't like the way this nation works then go somewhere where it's different and up to your standards. This is just my opinion. I'm proud to be an american and will back this nation to the end. Period.

[JiJoMacLE45]

See this is the type of stuff I can not stand. Running off at the mouth with no idea what they are talking about. I'll just use Kitsune as a brief example. He and I have been going back and forth about a possible war in Iraq for the past couple days. While we disagree with each other, we at least have enough common sense to provide relavent facts to back up our arguments and take the time to listen to each other. Hell, Kitsune has educated me to a few things I did not know. But whether or not we agree, we don't go about debating our point by trashing each other and taking it down to cro-magnon level. But if you want to take it there, believe me I can get dirty with you.

For Punkindrublic and Voxfux, ring the bell schools in.

1) If you don't have the balls to post something and than come back and support it after others have gone and critiqued it, than you have no business posting in the first place.

2) The President's policy is any current affiliation with Al-Qaida. Not fifteen or twenty years ago when Osama bin Laden was an ally of the US when we were both involved in the effort to hinder and oust the Soviets from Afghanistan. Yes we dumped money into his organization, yes we inadvertently funded a number of men who are now attempting to attack us, yes we did this. And yes in 1980's the right thing to do was the fight the Soviets because at the time they were our number one enemy. Had we not dumped money into the mujahideen and forced the USSR into their own Vietnam, who knows what might have happened. The Cold War could have heated up faster than any of us could imagine and none of us would have survived the nuclear holocaust that followed.

3) I've said it before and I'll say it again. We fought the Gulf War for oil and oil is probably a major factor in this as well. So what, our country, every country in the free world for that matter, runs on oil. We need oil to maintain the type of lives we are able to live. Controlling the ten percent of the world's oil that is currently in Iraq would lower gas prices, bring in more US revenue from foreign sales, and allow us to go farther in the war on terrorism without having to worry about offending the sensitive Saudis, because right now we need their oil. So when you go get in your gas guzzling SUV to drive to your 'show', remember that.

4) Let's remember that Mandela was imprisoned because he was a terrorist. He was involved in bombings, assassinations, and such in South Africa. He might have been a freedom fighter, but so is Yassir Arafat and I'm sure you think that he is just a swell guy, because your hero Bill Clinton told you he was. Why don't you ask the Israelis about that.

5)Eagle said it best. You don't like it, there's the door, see you around. I'm sure you'd have a great time in whatever third world country you would seek to live in. Oh yeah, that's right. Most of those countries are ruled by true 'facists' who really would kick your door in and drag you out of the house to never be seen again. Be proud that you live in a country as great as this, where you can bad mouth whoever you want and hold your opinions and views without having to worry about the repercussions of the government.

6) How much did mommy and daddy pay to send you away to college for your degree in liberal arts so you could come home and work at a coffee shop or bookstore and get your nose pierced, wear Abercrombie & Fitch, and listen to Dave Matthews.

7) If your going to come into this site and post, get your facts straight or else do not waste your time. You probably sat at your keyboard thinking "I'm really going to stick it to 'em." Sorry chief, not this time.

[OzMan]

I am so incredibly sick and tired of these ultra-tolerant liberal assholes who are just as much the problem as the people they support. And then there are some extreme-right wing groups that fit the profile as well; like the KKK (in whatever form they are calling it now), and all these neo-fascists (Bush NOT being one of them), neo-nazis who try to propaganda their way to the top and want to run for president and all that crap. I read about these hippie dumbasses in DC who are protesting war in Iraq and one name on the hitlist saying, "I don't believe in war, I don't believe in this war, I don't believe in Bush, I don't even really believe in America anymore..." blah, blah, blah. Yes, peace had its chance. But if you want peace, don't preach it to an American. Not to say that we want to go war or anything, or that we like it, but WE ARE VERY GOOD AT IT. And if you want peace, say it to the source, not the solution. If anyone in the world is oppressed, American or not, the RED, WHITE, AND BLUE will stop time, move heaven and earth and do everything in our power to stop it. I even heard about a group that was dumb enough to fly to Iraq and stand in front of the palaces and other potential targets to try and stop the war. If they want my opinion: GO RIGHT AHEAD. I WILL PAY FOR YOUR DAMN AIRLINE TICKET. We will just blow your narrow-minded ass of the face of the earth just like Saddam or anyone else who wants to play the game and **** with the USA. We will come out on top in this war and freedom will ****ing ring. We don't want war, but there will always be that element of greedy people on earth who thinks they will get away with it. We are ALWAYS ready for war. As any good warrior will tell you: They don't want it, but it's their job and they will do it if their number is called. And I know that my number will never be called because I will already be there. The government puts millions (maybe even billions) of dollars every year to ensure the safety of every American, here and abroad. And these liberal assholes stab us in the back like this? What do they expect to happen? That we will just put down our weapons and let everyone else in the world die at the hand of the sick greedy bastards that we could have stopped? That our country will just bring all our troops home and waste their life-long committed skills? We were involved in the Cold War to decide if the world was going to Communist or Democratic. And who came out on top? WE DID. We did because we are the better one. That should have been a sign to these liberals. We HAVE TO do something about these people like Saddam because of the Cold War. We won it and now the world looks up to us because of it. If we don't do anything, we will be letting down everyone except the oppressive assholes and the liberals who will tolerate them. But no way in hell will I tolerate it! Not in my country! What the hell happened on 9/11? Some big ****ing fireworks? NO! Innocent people (from America and some 80 other countries) died at the hand of madmen fighting for a cause that they don't even understand themselves! And you liberals want us to just sit here and take it? NO! We did not just look the other way and ask, "Is it over yet?" NO! We stood up, we slammed our fist down and we said, "Hey, whoever did this, we will find you." We will decide when it's over. And look at what happened. Those pansies ran away because they didn't think that we would do anything about it. They expected another Vietnam, but they were wrong. And they were so wrong that they paid with their lives. And I think it's just one hell of a funny coincidence that this liberal punkind-- whatever the **** he wants to call himself -- ran away just like those stupid terrorists did. What a pansy. Can't even take credit for what he did. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GET THE **** OUT!!

Sorry for taking up space, but I can't hold back any longer.

God Bless President Bush, and GOD BLESS AMERICA. :fork:

[JiJoMacLE45]

Amen Eagle. People criticize us because, well like it or not, we are at the top of the food chain. So what the Japanese make a better car or the European's have a better economy. We put a man on the moon. Electricity, we figured that out. Nuclear fision, yeah over here, that's the USA raising its hand. Flight, the telephone, and on and on, you get point. How many other countries have fought for their independence against the most powerful nation in the world. An army of conscript farmers, shopkeepers, and traders against the most feared military machine in existence. And won, decidely. Arguably the most important event in the twentieth century was WWII. Who turned the tide, the good 'ol US of A. Whenever an ally is facing economic hardships, who stimulates that economy, we do. When some country dials 911, the USA answers the phone. Last time I checked, if it had not been for our intervention, the whole of Europe would be goose stepping its way around town(no offense Kitsune), all of Asia would be eating Sushi and watching those horrid anime cartoons, and the only nation in the middle east would be Iraq and Israel would be the big burn mark next to Jordan.

Just some things to keep in mind for all you 'anti-USA, Saddam at that bad, we deserved 9/11, free Mumia abu-Jamal, where's my Dave CD, double latte, white people with dreadlocks' fools.

[TheReverend]

Amen to all of us proud Americans :-) Oh sorry, I mean right-wing facists LOL! ;-)

Everyone pretty much summed it up: If you don't like it, leave!

I'm glad I found this forum. A bunch of people that I can associate with :-)

Preach on, guys,
Rev.

[JiJoMacLE45]

I know what you mean Rev.

[96B]

This really makes me mad. Just the other day I was sitting in my math class and I overheard a bunch of "punk skater" kids discussing how they would move to Canada if the draft ever came etc and were saying things like "screw this country" and such. I personally am shipping off to Parris Island (USMC Bootcamp) July 16, not too long after I graduate this year and am really excited about it. My dad is a strong conservative as well as a police officer and his response was "tell them to go ahead and leave." People really take for granted the freedoms and rights and just how good we have it in this country because those freedoms for most of us at least have not been threated in so long. You guys should really check out www.punkvoter.com it basically reflects the stupidity of liberals...

[budanski]

The embecile voxfux should know that by making comments like "bush and his entire family are entitled be shot on the spot" isn't taken too lightly by the secret service. of course he's gonna be taken in. Besides, if was all about oil, why didnt the U.S. just kept the oil fields of Kuwait and taken Iraq's as well after the Gulf War? You really think the U.S. would really control the oil this time around? This country has had great restraint in the past and not to be mistaken as the old Soviet bloc. Wake up you conspiracy theorists!!!!

[punkindrublic]

Haha I'm bored as hell so here goes. 1. If I find the time I will be posting a series of articles on the us and forgin policy.
2. to JijoMacLE45...I didnt go to liberal arts college, I wouldent be caught dead wearing abercrombie and fitch, for that matter anything like them, I'll stick with plads and a leather jacket. Dave mathews band sucks, If you want real music, listen to NOFX, The Casualties, and The Distillers.

To Eagle 1-1, Believe me I would love to get out. I would love to go live in England, or Amsterdam, But being part of the middle class citizens and having a blue collar job, I do not have the money to do this.

To Semperfi2003, I totally agree with those "punk skater kids" if the draft was instituted, I would be on the first plane to canada, Screw the draft. I think it was said best by The Unseen-"Well I'm not patriotic I wont die for my country theres no such thing as civil war but no place I'd rather be, I hate out fuc*in government theres no trust in our system. And also you can tell your daddy "Fuc* the pigs"

I have not even begin to touch on the Multi-Nationa Corperations who abuse third world countries. And on a side note. Nelson Mandela is one of the best men who EVER lived, he is better then bush, better than any us president ever. I have also not begin to touch on Veques Puerto Rico, Panama, and people like Bill Gates.

Red White and Brainwashed

Proud Supporter of
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Down with Right Wing Capatlist Pigs

[Ratamacue]

I'm the person who diverted him to this forum. Allow me to give you some info:

1. He's 14 years old.
2. Lives in New Jersey.
3. Lives in a middle-class family.
4. Is a hippy.
5. Takes freedom for granted.

I don't see what Bill Gates has anything to do with right-wing nationalism. Take that to another forum, buddy.

He really doesn't have any idea how the world works. He's naive. I would just quit arguing, because I've done so for the past few months, and nothing's come of it.

Don't you just LOVE hippies? :hug:

[saluil]

Punkindrublic,

Your anger is midirected, it should be directed at whomever taught you to spell.

[punkindrublic]

Midirecred? are we turning into bush? "People have mis underestimated me"

[Ratamacue]

What's even funnier is that you've spelled the word even worse while trying to spell it incorrectly as he did.

[JiJoMacLE45]

If you'll notice, punkindrublic couldn't refute any of our arguements, because well we're right and he was wrong. He posted something trying to be witty, snappy, and smart and in the end was just talking out of his ass. Go ahead and post on Vieques(the correct spelling), Panama, or anythings else your anarchist little heart desires and we'll be right here waiting to rip your post to shreds.

Like Semperfi2003's dad, I too am a police officer. And you know what, go ahead and call us pigs and thugs and whatever else you want. But next time someone is breaking into your house or stomping a new hole in your ass, go ahead and give us a call. We'll show up, why? Because it's our job and you need people like us to handle your problems because a person like you has neither the comprehension nor the attention span to solve problems. You only bitch about them without any real idea as to how to solve them.

You know what, I don't know much about the WTO and Multi-National Corporations, so I don't post about them because I wouldn't know how to solve the problem. Why don't you think about how to solve these things you disagree with and post about that instead of just rambling on about what is wrong with this country. I'll be the first to say that we need to make some changes, but I know what those changes should be.

BACK UP YOUR ARGUEMENTS, OR DON'T EVEN BOTHER!

I wish I could say I looked forward to more of your incesant babble. But I am truly getting bored with this.

[snake6264]

What I can't believe is you guys bothered to reply to this jerk!!!!!

Snake6264 :fork:

[StarvingStudent47]

Though the United States is not the Garden of Eden (there I go with my references to Judeo-Christian patriarchy again :roll: ), it beats the HELL out of anarchy. I just have trouble taking suggestions from someone who thinks that Rwanda or Somalia are anything near model societies, just because there are no multi-national corporations there.

Order is good, mmmkay? Cause otherwise, you get :bash:

[StarvingStudent47]

Just for clarification, this guy is a "left-wing extremist," not a "strong liberal." I am a strong liberal. Gary Hart is a strong liberal. MLK was a strong liberal. Yitzhak Rabin was a strong liberal.

This guy has no right to be taking the label of "liberal" and attaching it to rich-kid-anarchist ideas.

[front]

Howdy

Guys... take it easy and don't feed the trolls. Let's try to keep this board pointed at Military Photos and discussions of the equipment the military uses.

There are PLENTY of other places on the net where you can provoke, join in with, and flame away at other posters as regards the rights and wrongs of the current crises.

cheers

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[GearGod]

This topic/post needs to be DELETED. Administrator! Where art thou?

[Glass1]

I think everything that could be said to this pud has pretty much been voiced. It makes me a bit sad that good men shed their blood so that pricks like him could have freedom.

punkoprick, or whatever your name is, I have a few friends in New Jersey and my sister lives in Vermont and travels that way a bit. One of my friends in Jersey works for the airlines and can get free flights for people. Tell ya what, why don't you email me, I'll arrange everything for the flight so it won't cost you anything or be any inconvienence for you, and why don't you take a flight down here to KCMO and run the trash your spewing out on this forum to me in person. I have a feeling I could show you some of the real benefits of law enforcment officers...

The offer stands and its not a joke. Feel free to take me up on it. It would be my pleasure, I promise...

I'm sorry, I almost forgot my email address. It is glass@plaintalkmedia.com

[Teschner]

First off, I'm not american. I'm swedish. I'm "fortunate" enough to live in a country that is governed by people that would suit this left wing kid just perfect.

The problem is, I don't really agree with the people who dictates the policy I'm forced to follow. I'm an active member of our armed forces, and I applied to serve with SWERAP, (our quick-reaction force) the minute it was declared that we were gonna send something to the gulf as well. (This was about four months ago) Later on, it was decided to send a field hospital, and I, being an infantry sergeant, were not selected to go.

Frankly, I, and my collegues are ashamed not to be able to fight, but most of all, ashamed to live in a country were you are looked down upon if you wanna stand up for yourself, and where it is illegal to defend yourself against robbers.

I'm amazed that some americans are NOT proud to be a citizen in a country that will stand up for itself.

I'd gladly trade with you any day kid.

(I have to add, that I too registered just for this topic)

[punkindrublic]

Glass 1, I would LOVE to take you up on your offer, seeing as how I have read through just about every hand to hand combat manual I can get my hands on. I have training from my uncle, who is a double black belt in a california dojo, my friend who is a double black belt here in jersey. I know just about every police/military hold/grapple ever. BUT, being an oi/street punk, i believe in PEACE, not VIOLENCE, and UNITY. So I'm going to have to turn your offer down, but if i ever decide to change my views and promote violence *which i never will* I would be glad to take you up on your offer. And rich kid...HAH. I would also like to say glass, that your offer stands as a testimate*sp* to police burtality. Something I also fight against.

[Ratamacue]

It's just too bad that you can't actually argue for your views or anything and have to resort to talking about police brutality.

Guess what? If he's off-duty, it's not police brutality. Not to mention you're completely full of it when you talk about all your self-defense knowledge.

[Light Fighter]

What you fail to realize in your "non violent" approach to life is that this country was founded on war and guess what, violence. We (collectively) wouldnt be here without it.

People such as yourself truely sicken me. You sit there and bad mouth the US and talk about fighting the "system that holds you down". Yet, that system lets you bad mouth it, because in the US, we do have freedom of speach. So beleave what you want to beleave, it just saddens me that past generations faught and gave their lives so you can spout anti America rhetoric.

And as far as going to Canada if a Draft is put into affect, go right ahead. There are plenty of other people that are willing to fight and die for the US to but in your place. Besides, I wouldnt want to have your hippy, peace, love and drugs ass anywere near me in a firefight, or even allowed to procreate for that matter.

De Oppresso Liber

[Glass1]

Well, my offer stands toughguy. And tell me, why would such a peace loving, nonviolent pacifist such as yourself take so much time to learn how to fight? Seems pretty stupid, or should I say unlikely, to me.

I've heard crap from all kinds of little punk kids like you that think they have a new and better way to save the world. But most of them eventually grow up and realize how stupid they were. And the ones that don't just end up in the gutters and welfare lines or robbing old ladies purses. The real smart ones, as you seem to be, get ideas that are to big for the britches when they realize there is a real world outside of their fantasy land, and try some higher end heists, only to get his stupid ass shot dead in the street someday. Usually sooner than later.

Anyway, you have the free opportunity to but your money where your mouth is punkoprick, so let me know. I've spent more years training than you have been alive, so I'm not going to lose any sleep tonight, ok? And by the way, I never said I was a police officer. I merely implied that you would be wishing one was around by the time I was finished with you...

[OzMan]

All right, I won't deny it anymore. I just read that he is 14 and is still a peace-loving dumbass.

I am fifteen (15) years old and I live in Olathe, Kansas, near Kansas City. I used to think like punko-whatever, and I quit listening to everything I hear, or read, or overhear. I actually did the research, looked into several different sources and changed my entire perspective. Like Glass and all the others have said, there are people in this country and generations of Americans before who have given their life for you. You think that coming up with this hippie-peace-will-live-forever crap will change anything or pay respect to those who served you? Have you ever spoken to any war vets? Any? They served for you and your freedom and that wasn't good enough?

There are people in your community like Glass who will come to your rescue whenever you are in trouble. Yes, (though I've never seen it) police brutality exists. But no one is perfect, and that includes you punk. And who are they being brutal against? CRIMINALS! The domestic terrorists. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. That is the way I was raised and that is the way I live. Yes, sometimes cops slam criminals' heads onto cars. And I'll bet they deserve it. But what if we go all politically correct and say please? As soon as they get out, they do it again. And again, and again, and again. And nothing gets solved. And what do you say? "Well, when he dies, he'll go before God and God will decide to send him to Hell."

But what about before then? What about when they steal YOUR money, or they break into YOUR house, or they kill YOUR brother? And the cops can't teach them the old fashioned way just because some weak rich punk got bruised by the Beverly Hills PD. You want to go to Britain? GREAT!! If you are in a demonstration, you get beaten with a stick by mounted police. Do you want that? Or would you rather stay here?

Maybe if you quit wasting your money on coffee or skateboards or CD players or guitars, then you could get that ticket out. Now this "corrupt government system" that you talk about, they ALLOW you: a driver's license at 16, land to live on, plumbing to make it civil, protection by police, you can even OWN a gun!, paved streets, some of the best education in the world (which you have WASTED), the freedom of speech, press, and belief, and you're telling me that this system sucks? It doesn't get any better than what you've got now.

So suck it up. You are in America and we do things the American way. This isn't 1940, we aren't isolationist anymore. You obviously skipped over that in your EXTENSIVE research of American history. Either go with it and live in freedom, or get out and quit wasting my air.

[hood]

The problem with anarchists, is that they don't stand for anything. They use the particular issues of the day as a tool, but ultimately don't care about how they end up. They live for chaos and disorder. That you made a statement against Bush, ultimately has nothing to do with Bush other than using him as a tool to incite anger and hopefully rageful responses. It's great to see video of riots, where anti-war demonstrators are yelling at you guys to leave because you're hurting their cause. I'm all for causes and arguing about them, but you're not doing that. You're just wasting people's time, and that was your only intent. Since this thread has proven this, I'll close it. Please don't open another.