Tibetologist: Dalai Lama's rhetoric hardly peaceful

[Shuimo]

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Special Report: Serfs Emancipation Day (http://www.chinaview.cn/tibet/nnjf/)
BEIJING, March 25 (Xinhua) -- Chinese tibetologist You Xiangfei published an article on China Daily Wednesday, revealing the truth behind the Dalai Lama's "peaceful" rhetoric. Crowned with the Nobel Peace prize, Dainzin Gyaco, the 14th Dalai Lama, has long proclaimed to be a "person of non-violence", propagating his "persistent adherence to the principle of non-violence" and saying this has been his "unwavering commitment” to the outside world, said You, a researcher at the Sichuan Institute of Tibetology Research.


The Dalai Lama has also implored people in the world to learn to embrace their foes and forget hatred, he said.
Has the Dalai Lama told the truth? A review of some of his recent remarks indicates he is telling lies, according to the article.
In an exclusive interview with Frankfurter Fundschau, a German newspaper, on March 7, the Dalai Lama claimed that the riot in Lhasa, capital of the Tibet autonomous region, last March was plotted by the country's Tibet-stationed military forces and that its purpose was to put the blame on Tibetan people. Such a lie was cooked up to instigate enmity between Chinese Han and Tibetan people, the aricle said.
On March 8, the Dalai Lama held a special prayer ceremony for the failed 1959 uprising in Dharamsala, a Tibetan-populated town in India. In a statement to commemorate the so-called "Date of Tibet Uprising" on March 10, the Dalai Lama once again argued that the 1959 rebellion was a peaceful activity. He also said last year's March 14 riot in Lhasa, which featured beatings, lootings and burning by some Tibetan mobs, was a peaceful protest. In that riot, civilians were beaten or burned to death and more were injured. The Dalai Lama's relentless efforts to defend the bloody violence fully indicate his ulterior political motives, according to the article.
Tibet has in fact achieved remarkable progress (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/03/content_10931675.htm) in various aspects since the region adopted democratic reforms in 1959, including prospering Tibetan culture and religion, the article said.
However, turning a blind eye to the fact, the Dalai Lama claimed in the March 10 statement that the reforms had inflicted untold sabotage and distress upon the vast Himalayan region and its residents. "The religion, language, culture and ethnic characteristics in Tibet are currently on the verge of extinction and Tibetan people are being treated as criminals to be sentenced to death," he said. "Tibet has already been reduced to a hell on earth", he added.
Earlier in his speech to celebrate Tibet's lunar new year, the Dalai Lama asked Tibetans to remember their compatriots who devoted their lives to the regional religious cause and to "work hard for the settlement of the Tibet issue", according to the aricle.
"Are these open inflammatory remarks the non-violence that the Dalai Lama claims to advocate?" You asked.
Some diehard forces of feudal serf owners in Tibet launched an armed rebellion 50 years ago to maintain their privileged position in a system of feudal serfdom. Unwilling to succumb to their failure, they have grown deep-rooted hatred in their minds toward any progress achieved in Tibet, the article said. Having not set Tibet on a path of development, the Dalai Lama clique still stubbornly clings to its attempt to split the motherland and continuously stirs up ethnic hatred. Facts prove that the Dalai Lama's self-proclaimed slogans of "peace" and "non-violence" are only a guise to cheat the people of the world.

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[Shuimo]

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People of the Tibetan ethnic group hold a celebration for the upcoming Serfs Emancipation Day, at Jiaba Village of Nedong County, southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region, March 23, 2009. Tibetan legislators endorsed a motion in January this year designating March 28 as the Serfs Emancipation Day, to commemorate the emancipation of millions of serfs and slaves in Tibet 50 years ago. (Xinhua/Gesang Dawa)

[Snoshi]

Fire in the hole!

And i am out!

[Alpheus]

I see the next shift of chicom trolls has started.

[LineDoggie]

Cue Middle Path.....

[LineDoggie]

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Special Report: Serfs Emancipation Day
BEIJING, March 25 (Xinhua) -- Chinese tibetologist You Xiangfei published an article on China Daily Wednesdayworld.

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[Alpheus]

Cue Middle Path.....

Actually, when I first saw this thread, I thought it was one of Fage's creations.

[Mu-Meson]

What the hell is a "Tibetologist"? Do you need to get a university degree in Tibetism? Tibetional Studies? Tibetallurgicalism?

[TheMiddlePath]

Cue Middle Path.....



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[LineDoggie]

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Does that make you Horny?

[matthew.manhorn]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/25/xin_142030624082767122291.jpg
People of the Tibetan ethnic group hold a celebration for the upcoming Serfs Emancipation Day, at Jiaba Village of Nedong County, southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region, March 23, 2009. Tibetan legislators endorsed a motion in January this year designating March 28 as the Serfs Emancipation Day, to commemorate the emancipation of millions of serfs and slaves in Tibet 50 years ago. (Xinhua/Gesang Dawa)

Dude, as much as I love Deng Xiao Ping and how the serfdom's gone in Tibet I don't have to put up a poster and a banner in front of a camera to express my feelings. Kinda reminds me of that disgusting "Grandpa Lien you're back!" skit.

[Shuimo]

What the hell is a "Tibetologist"? Do you need to get a university degree in Tibetism? Tibetional Studies? Tibetallurgicalism?
It is just like any job with a -logist ending, like psychologist, biologist, etc.
Nothing special.
I've got a Tibetan friend who works with a Tibetan Studies Center in Beijing.
They just do research to make people better understand Tibet-related things, almost everything!:backhand::bash::cantbeli:

[Shuimo]

Dude, as much as I love Deng Xiao Ping and how the serfdom's gone in Tibet I don't have to put up a poster and a banner in front of a camera to express my feelings. Kinda reminds me of that disgusting "Grandpa Lien you're back!" skit.
Why cannot the Tibetans express their happiness through posing before cameras with leader-stamped posters?
That works perfectly fine with us Chinese people including Tibetans to express our standpoint and attitude!wootrofl

[Shuimo]

I find our Tibetan kinship so lovely with such beautiful broad smiles!

[ltrowley]

I find our Tibetan kinship so lovely with such beautiful broad smiles!


Comb those dags first.

[AZZenny]

Chinese Tibetologist...
now there's an oxymoron.

[matthew.manhorn]

Chinese Tibetologist...
now there's an oxymoron.

Tibetans are an ethnic group in China, therefore they're Chinese citizens. It's kinda like saying an American born+raised Russian-American, or Israeli-Arab as oxymorons

[BloodyTalon]

rofl the article doesn't even get the name of the German paper right. It's the Frankurter Rundschau not the "Frankfurter Fundschau"

Course, i didn't expect much considering this thread is...

1. Based off of an article from a government that is vehemently opposed to the Dalai Lama. Looking for a balanced view of the Dalai Lama from Xinhua is like looking for a balanced view of Martin Luther King from Stormfront.org

2. The OP is notorious for admitting in a previous thread that he believes that it's literally China's god-given destiny to be the most powerful nation on earth and all other nations have to submit to it.

[Shuimo]

rofl the article doesn't even get the name of the German paper right. It's the Frankurter Rundschau not the "Frankfurter Fundschau"

Course, i didn't expect much considering this thread is...

1. Based off of an article from a government that is vehemently opposed to the Dalai Lama. Looking for a balanced view of the Dalai Lama from Xinhua is like looking for a balanced view of Martin Luther King from Stormfront.org

2. The OP is notorious for admitting in a previous thread that he believes that it's literally China's god-given destiny to be the most powerful nation on earth and all other nations have to submit to it.
Oh, am I???
How could you claim? Plz provide yr evidence?????:slap:woot

[Connaught Ranger]

Another thread from the China Strong, oppsss China wrong / wong / dong mob!!!!

[AZZenny]

Tibetans are an ethnic group in China, therefore they're Chinese citizens. It's kinda like saying an American born+raised Russian-American, or Israeli-Arab as oxymorons

The Tibetans I've met would not agree with you. The Chinese would, of course.

[Shuimo]

Chinese Tibetologist...
now there's an oxymoron.
NO oxymoron at all.
ANyone, whether he being Jap, Chinese, Yankee, Brazilian, or whatever, can be a Tibetalogist if he really wants to committe himself to Tibetan Studies, OK??

[Ordie]

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It gives Sinology a whole new meaning.

[matthew.manhorn]

1. Based off of an article from a government that is vehemently opposed to the Dalai Lama. Looking for a balanced view of the Dalai Lama from Xinhua is like looking for a balanced view of Martin Luther King from Stormfront.org.

You know, I always wonder if there are ANY objective sources regarding the Tibetan issue. Tibetan scholars in China? or exiled Tibetan scholars in western nations? p-). It's kind of sad to see that all threads about Tibet ends up with westerners smearing the crap out of the CCP while Chicom trolls smear the crap out of the western media in response.

[Ordie]

You know, I always wonder if there are ANY objective sources regarding the Tibetan issue. Tibetan scholars in China? or exiled Tibetan scholars in western nations? p-). It's kind of sad to see that all threads about Tibet ends up with westerners smearing the crap out of the CCP while Chicom trolls smear the crap out of the western media in response.

Orville Schell is one of the better known scholars on China and Tibet.
http://orvilleschell.com/

[LineDoggie]

If there so happy with China why did they riot?

[Shuimo]

woot
You know, I always wonder if there are ANY objective sources regarding the Tibetan issue. Tibetan scholars in China? or exiled Tibetan scholars in western nations? p-). It's kind of sad to see that all threads about Tibet ends up with westerners smearing the crap out of the CCP while Chicom trolls smear the crap out of the western media in response.
What do you mean by objective??
:bash:

[Shuimo]

If there so happy with China why did they riot?
dalailam goading the innocent tibetans!:bash:

[matthew.manhorn]

woot
What do you mean by objective??
:bash:

Something that is opposite from xinhua.net or CNN

[LineDoggie]

dalailam goading the innocent tibetans!:bash:

BUT, if they Love the Peoples Republic of China Sooooo very much should they not have seen through an attempt from their Hated Human skinning Lama to forment trouble?

And how does one goad from Outside ones Borders?

which is todays PRC story?

Tibetan's Love PRC

or

Tibetan's Attack peace loving peoples militia of the PRC?

[matthew.manhorn]

Orville Schell is one of the better known scholars on China and Tibet.
http://orvilleschell.com/

Thanks bro! I'll check this guy out although I prefer to study Chinese history in Chinese text. Sources regarding Chinese history from Hong Kong are also considered objective (in comparison with those of PRC and Taiwan) but most people from Hong Kong don't really care about Tibet.

[Shuimo]

Something that is opposite from xinhua.net or CNN
wa, cnn has become such a nasty name for formenting fake news here among us chinese people!:bash:

[matthew.manhorn]

wa, cnn has become such a nasty name for formenting fake news here among us chinese people!:bash:

In fact CNN is the lesser of the 2 evils between itself and xinhua: At least CNN is liberal enough to report its own nation's atrocities unlike xinhua!

[Shuimo]

BUT, if they Love the Peoples Republic of China Sooooo very much should they not have seen through an attempt from their Hated Human skinning Lama to forment trouble?

And how does one goad from Outside ones Borders?

which is todays PRC story?

Tibetan's Love PRC

or

Tibetan's Attack peace loving peoples militia of the PRC?
Don't you know the tibetans are such religious people like hell?
Their minds are just innocent enough to belive anything dalaima goads them to to !

[Shuimo]

In fact CNN is the lesser of the 2 evils between itself and xinhua: At least CNN is liberal enough to report its own nation's atrocities unlike xinhua!
IMO, CNN the abuser of abusers of press freedom!:bash::-*$

[R/cst]

Don't you know the tibetans are such religious people like hell?
Their minds are just innocent enough to belive anything dalaima goads them to to !

So like a good parent you are rescuing them from themselves right? rofl

China seems to consistantly act like a spoilt child when it comes to things like the following:

Tibet
Tawain
Spratleys

You just run around shouting MINE, MINE, MINE and then get pissed off and sulk or threaten them with violance, when no one else agrees with you.

[LineDoggie]

Don't you know the tibetans are such religious people like hell?
Their minds are just innocent enough to belive anything dalaima goads them to to !
So then they are also innocent enough to then believe whatever the Peoples Republic of China tells them.

"We have Freed you from Serfdom"

After all, they're Innocent and Gullible

[Ordie]

So like a good parent you are rescuing them from themselves right? rofl

China seems to consistantly act like a spoilt child when it comes to things like the following:

Tibet
Tawain
Spratleys

You just run around shouting MINE, MINE, MINE and then get pissed off and sulk or threaten them with violance, when no one else agrees with you.

They like playing being the victim of historical humiliation.

[Shuimo]

They like playing being the victim of historical humiliation.
NO, it is not that we like, but what we are!:bash::-*$

[Shuimo]

So then they are also innocent enough to then believe whatever the Peoples Republic of China tells them.

"We have Freed you from Serfdom"

After all, they're Innocent and Gullible
In a sense, that can be true!
But the presence of dalailama backed by the west has caused much trouble for us, I assure you!:cantbeli::|

[R/cst]

I think it is some sort of inferiority complex.

[Shuimo]

So like a good parent you are rescuing them from themselves right? rofl

China seems to consistantly act like a spoilt child when it comes to things like the following:

Tibet
Tawain
Spratleys

You just run around shouting MINE, MINE, MINE and then get pissed off and sulk or threaten them with violance, when no one else agrees with you.

How can you say they are not ours?

[LineDoggie]

In a sense, that can be true!
But the presence of dalailama backed by the west has caused much trouble for us, I assure you!:cantbeli::|

Freedom & Liberty usually do.............

[Shuimo]

Freedom & Liberty usually do.............
that is just a well-used pretext by the west, ok?

[LineDoggie]

How can you say they are not ours?
Because they arent, that simple.

I can Claim to be an astronaut, that doesnt make me one

China can Claim half the Pacific Rim, Thats doesnt mean anything. Your EEC damn near claims Phillipine Beaches at low tide

no wonder the rest of the world is less than impressed with Chinese claims

[R/cst]

NO, it is not that we like, but what we are!:bash::-*$

In a sense, that can be true!
But the presence of dalailama backed by the west has caused much trouble for us, I assure you!:cantbeli::-|
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Sounds like persecution syndrome to me, they think every one is out to get them.

The reason the west has backed the Dalai Lama is that they feel that your actions are morally wrong and you shoud behave in a civilised manner.

[R/cst]

How can you say they are not ours?

Tawain, they have an democratical elected government who does not want you to run their country.

Spratelys there are a whole lot of other folks who also claim the, so what make you the owner?

Tibet what make you think you have a right to that country?

[LineDoggie]

that is just a well-used pretext by the west, ok?
Well used Pretexts are sometimes true.

Free will scares you

You fear Tibetans choosing for themselves

You fear Chinese Citizens choosing for themselves

You fear.................

[Shuimo]

Well used Pretexts are sometimes true.

Free will scares you

You fear Tibetans choosing for themselves

You fear Chinese Citizens choosing for themselves

You fear.................
We just differ from you on the meaning od such concepts!

[Shuimo]

In a sense, that can be true!
But the presence of dalailama backed by the west has caused much trouble for us, I assure you!:cantbeli::-|
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Sounds like persecution syndrome to me, they think every one is out to get them.

The reason the west has backed the Dalai Lama is that they feel that your actions are morally wrong and you shoud behave in a civilised manner.
But why should we think the west is in a position to claim high moral ground!woot:bash:

[R/cst]

But why should we think the west is in a position to claim high moral ground!woot:bash:

They are not paticulary, but in this case it is almost the entire world who sides with the Dalai Lama.

Plus colonialism is so outdated

[Shuimo]

They are not paticulary, but in this case it is almost the entire world who sides with the Dalai Lama.

Plus colonialism is so outdated
But on the Tibet question, the rest of the world is infinetely wrong!
Truth is in the chinese hands!woot

[Shuimo]

BTW, not everyone outside China takes the same standpoint as the west!

[matthew.manhorn]

So like a good parent you are rescuing them from themselves right? rofl

China seems to consistantly act like a spoilt child when it comes to things like the following:

Tibet
Tawain
Spratleys

You just run around shouting MINE, MINE, MINE and then get pissed off and sulk or threaten them with violance, when no one else agrees with you.

Come on, why do people hate the Chinese so much. Great Britain did the same MINE MINE MINE sh1t to the Falklands, oh the same goes to Georgia to South Ossetia as well.

OH AND BY THE WAY China didn't send troops to invade Taiwan like the Brits did to falklands and the Georgians did to south ossetia, so why the hype over China's reaction when other countries do the same crap?

Oh yeah and when China's hosting the olympics you guys had to pull out sh1t that happened 60 years ago as a reason to boycott it, what a joke. At least the western boycott against the Soviet olympics due to CURRENT EVENTS in Afghanistan at that time.

You know sometimes I find it tough to be a Chinese because you'll get bullied by a bunch of racist for being modest and get labeled as a chicom when you try to act aggressive. I wish i'll reincarnate as a German or a Brazilian so I don't have to be fed up by these self righteous but yet non-constructive comments regarding China's communist government.

[Shuimo]

Because they arent, that simple.

I can Claim to be an astronaut, that doesnt make me one

China can Claim half the Pacific Rim, Thats doesnt mean anything. Your EEC damn near claims Phillipine Beaches at low tide

no wonder the rest of the world is less than impressed with Chinese claims
Taiwan is not even recognized by the UN
Tibet is in the hands of China.
Sprately is at best controversial!

[Shuimo]

Come on, why do people hate the Chinese so much. Great Britain did the same MINE MINE MINE sh1t to the Falklands, oh the same goes to Georgia to South Ossetia as well.

OH AND BY THE WAY China didn't send troops to invade Taiwan like the Brits did to falklands and the Georgians did to south ossetia, so why the hype over China's reaction when other countries do the same crap?

Oh yeah and when China's hosting the olympics you guys had to pull out sh1t that happened 60 years ago as a reason to boycott it, what a joke. At least the western boycott against the Soviet olympics due to CURRENT EVENTS in Afghanistan at that time. You know sometimes it's hard to be a Chinese because you'll get bullied by a bunch of racist when you're being modest and get labeled as a chicom when you try to act aggressive
I vews their stance as of fear and being afraid of China!

[LineDoggie]

But on the Tibet question, the rest of the world is infinetely wrong!
Truth is in the chinese hands!woot
So are the Guns pointed at the Tibetans............

[R/cst]

But on the Tibet question, the rest of the world is infinetely wrong!
Truth is in the chinese hands!woot

Why is it only in chinese hands?

I think you guys still believe that you get to keep what you grab

[Grantman]

I wonder if this vid of 'chinese gunning down tibetans' trying to get into nepal is true.

http://www.youtube.com/v/CgadUdNcRZU

Needless to say it can't be true in the eyes of pro-Chinese expansionists but I sure wouldn't be surprised if it was.

No wonder they don't want China interfering in their lives.

[R/cst]

Taiwan is not even recognized by the UN
Tibet is in the hands of China.
Sprately is at best controversial!

Mainly because Taiwan has never really declared itself independant, proberly because they are worried about a violent response from China.
I dont know why you guys still want Taiwan, since they dont seem want to be joined and ruled by you even after all these years .

Tibet you took it so its yours?

Sprately`s my point exactly

[LineDoggie]

Taiwan is not even recognized by the UN
Tibet is in the hands of China.
Sprately is at best controversial!PRC had no seat until 1971 Taiwan is not recognized because their seat was given to you to appease. 17 Communist member states..... Much like the Sudentenland was given away to appease.

They still exist

[R/cst]

Come on, why do people hate the Chinese so much. Great Britain did the same MINE MINE MINE sh1t to the Falklands, oh the same goes to Georgia to South Ossetia as well.

OH AND BY THE WAY China didn't send troops to invade Taiwan like the Brits did to falklands and the Georgians did to south ossetia, so why the hype over China's reaction when other countries do the same crap?

Oh yeah and when China's hosting the olympics you guys had to pull out sh1t that happened 60 years ago as a reason to boycott it, what a joke. At least the western boycott against the Soviet olympics due to CURRENT EVENTS in Afghanistan at that time.

You know sometimes I find it tough to be a Chinese because you'll get bullied by a bunch of racist for being modest and get labeled as a chicom when you try to act aggressive. I wish i'll reincarnate as a German or a Brazilian so I don't have to be fed up by these self righteous but yet non-constructive comments regarding China's communist government.

matthew.manhorn

Dude you need to read up on you history, the Falkands never belong to Argentina, they were british from the word go, all the people living there were british citizens so it was argentina who conducted a war of aggression.

It must be really tough on you when you think the whole world is against you, but never fear the tinfoil hat is here to save you

[LineDoggie]

Come on, why do people hate the Chinese so much. Great Britain did the same MINE MINE MINE sh1t to the Falklands, oh the same goes to Georgia to South Ossetia as well.

OH AND BY THE WAY China didn't send troops to invade Taiwan like the Brits did to falklands


1- Argentinas claim to the Falklands is based upon a Papal Declaration dividing the New World up between Spain and Portugal in 1493 by Pope Alexander VI. It failed to impress many then either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera

2- Argentina didnt exist then, even as a Colony of Spain until 1580

3- The Islanders time and again have stated they are British. Few, if Any collaborated with the Argentines when they invaded.

[Blue_0]

Paid poster FTL!

[ren0312]

Mainly because Taiwan has never really declared itself independant, proberly because they are worried about a violent response from China.
I dont know why you guys still want Taiwan, since they dont seem want to be joined and ruled by you even after all these years .

Tibet you took it so its yours?

Sprately`s my point exactly

That is a very simplistic view, who actually controlled what part of Tibet has been very ambiguous since at least the early 18th century, the best thing that could be said is that Tibet has been a tributary state of China ever since the 18th century, and that China had suzerainity over Tibet.

[R/cst]

I agree that is very involved and complicated as shown by this link
Tibetan sovereignty debate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate

But it still looks like colonialism.

Is there some strategic or monetary reason that China hangs on to Tibet?

I would say that based on the resistance to Chinese rule even after all these years shows that the Tibetans want china out and to be allowed to form their own country and government.

As for the human rights abuses I am more inclined to find china guilty based on their past and present actions

[PeterRJG]

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Would the real Matthew Manhorn please stand up?

[flankerpilot]

IMO, CNN the abuser of abusers of press freedom!:bash::-*$


Funny , because a lot of people say that CNN = communist news network :D

As for Tibet , in my personal opinion it is part of China

[flankerpilot]

double post again

[Ordie]

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They like playing being the victim of historical humiliation.

Shuimo: NO, it is not that we like, but what we are!:bash::-*$


Too bad: even God cannot change history.

[Flamming_Python]

Uhh to be fair guys; with the amount of times Europe has tried (and succeeded) taking China from behind over the last 2 centuries; I would propose that our Chinese friends have more than enough reason to be suspicious of your motives. Actually Europe was far more aggressive than China now, and created far more problems in the world due to its imperialism.

At the end what this comes down to; Independent Tibet = Western client state. Tibet in China = Chinese client state. So let's stop pretending otherwise

[Shuimo]

Uhh to be fair guys; with the amount of times Europe has tried (and succeeded) taking China from behind over the last 2 centuries; I would propose that our Chinese friends have more than enough reason to be suspicious of your motives. Actually Europe was far more aggressive than China now, and created far more problems in the world due to its imperialism.

At the end what this comes down to; Independent Tibet = Western client state. Tibet in China = Chinese client state. So let's stop pretending otherwise

Wow, how can you be so brutally honest?woot:bash:rofl
Very compelling argument!

[Shuimo]

Too bad: even God cannot change history.

History is just a mirror, as the Chinese saying goes!
The hard lesson we learnt in history is yet to be fully drawn by modern Chinese!:backhand:

[Ordie]

History is just a mirror, as the Chinese saying goes!
The hard lesson we learnt in history is yet to be fully drawn by modern Chinese!:backhand:

The last modern Chinese were men of Mao's era who never looked back or felt humiliated.

[Shuimo]

The last modern Chinese were men of Mao's era who never looked back or felt humiliated.

No, modern Chinese are a type of people in the making!

[R/cst]

Flamming_Python so this makes chinas actions alright?

If history is a mirror the you`d think that china has learnt something from its own history and that of the rest of the world.`

[Ordie]

Flamming_Python so this makes chinas actions alright?

If history is a mirror the you`d think that china has learnt something from its own history and that of the rest of the world.`

Even in the west we have selective memory.
I do give credit to the South Africans with the concept of Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

[R/cst]

Even in the west we have selective memory.
I do give credit to the South Africans with the concept of Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Most of the history around the world is not pretty or pleasant

The TRC was okay but politics still interefered with it, which overshadowed a lot of the good that it did do.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

They like playing being the victim of historical humiliation.

Yes somehow the chinkies seem to combine whiny victimhood about the ills of long past Western colonialism in China with being the world's last remaining large-scale colonial regime!

Talk about having your cake and eating it :roll:

[matthew.manhorn]

Yes somehow the chinkies seem to combine whiny victimhood about the ills of long past Western colonialism in China with being the world's last remaining large-scale colonial regime!

Talk about having your cake and eating it :roll:

I'm a chinky and I don't think that way. If China were REALLY a western colonial state like Hong Kong it would've been a democratic nation (like India) by now. Sometimes I blame that the western imperialists didn't colonizing China thorough enough.

[Ordie]

I'm a chinky and I don't think that way. If China were REALLY a western colonial state like Hong Kong it would've been a democratic nation (like India) by now. Sometimes I blame that the western imperialists didn't colonizing China thorough enough.

With so many competing European interests, it was better to pay off the Qing Court, Chinese collaborators and warlords.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I'm a chinky and I don't think that way. If China were REALLY a western colonial state like Hong Kong it would've been a democratic nation (like India) by now. Sometimes I blame that the western imperialists didn't colonizing China thorough enough.

But it is REALLY an eastern colonial state.

[Atlantic Friend]

"Word hard" is a cry for murder now ? Who knew ?

[Atlantic Friend]

woot
What do you mean by objective??
:bash:

Here's a hint : objective news don't come with bashing emoticons. They don't have to.

[AZZenny]

Don't you know the tibetans are such religious people like hell?
Their minds are just innocent enough to belive anything dalaima goads them to to !

OK, first of all, this is so condescending as to be almost racist -- poor, innocent savages who need to be protected from their ignorance... and that characterizes much official Chinese policy towards Tibetans. One parallel is how the US gov't treated Native Americans in the first two-thirds of the 20th century -- taking children from their families and sending them to gov't-run boarding schools, determining what the tribes could and could not do. Another parallel is the Turks and Kurds, forcibly replacing native language, names, and culture with Turkish culture. Or the Syrians, not letting them have citizenship status so they couldn't get benefits or travel.

Have you met the Dalai Lama? Because I have, and can say with confidence he doesn't 'goad' anyone; I have heard him beg Tibetans to work non-violently for a better status under Chinese rule.

I have also spoken to a number of Tibetan refugees over the years, and have friends who have been to Tibet recently. Your perspective is the official Chinese position, and that has a definite anti-Tibetan agenda.

[maoddd]

I'm a chinky and I don't think that way. If China were REALLY a western colonial state like Hong Kong it would've been a democratic nation (like India) by now. Sometimes I blame that the western imperialists didn't colonizing China thorough enough.


:cantbeli::cantbeli::cantbeli: wow..just wow...

rofl

[matthew.manhorn]

:cantbeli::cantbeli::cantbeli: wow..just wow...

rofl

How dare you use this disgusting pic as your avatar.

[Shuimo]

With so many competing European interests, it was better to pay off the Qing Court, Chinese collaborators and warlords.

Partly true!
China was simply too big a piece of fatty meat for any sinlge western power to bite off during those empire periods.

Most importantly, the Chinese people themselves have guts and gall to face up to any forces of evil. Such character is the essence of Chinese culture, which keeps the nation dynamic and resilient all the time!rofl

[Shuimo]

Here's a hint : objective news don't come with bashing emoticons. They don't have to.

Why??
Objectivity is by no means the sworn foe of emotion, I guess.:backhand::backhand::backhand:

[Shuimo]

OK, first of all, this is so condescending as to be almost racist -- poor, innocent savages who need to be protected from their ignorance... and that characterizes much official Chinese policy towards Tibetans. One parallel is how the US gov't treated Native Americans in the first two-thirds of the 20th century -- taking children from their families and sending them to gov't-run boarding schools, determining what the tribes could and could not do. Another parallel is the Turks and Kurds, forcibly replacing native language, names, and culture with Turkish culture. Or the Syrians, not letting them have citizenship status so they couldn't get benefits or travel.

Have you met the Dalai Lama? Because I have, and can say with confidence he doesn't 'goad' anyone; I have heard him beg Tibetans to work non-violently for a better status under Chinese rule.

I have also spoken to a number of Tibetan refugees over the years, and have friends who have been to Tibet recently. Your perspective is the official Chinese position, and that has a definite anti-Tibetan agenda.

Tibetans are our sisters and brothers within the Chinese kinship.
On this issue, I can nerver ever support China being compared on a same par with the USA and Turkey in relation to what they do with ethnic relations. These countries are poles apart!

Meeting dalai lama in person or groups of tibetans in exile doesn't necessarily make you immune from bias or prejudice when speaking to Tibet-related issues, yet the reverse is more true of me.
BTW, I see nothing wrong with the majority of Chinese folks in agreement with the official Chinese position. You don't HAVE to willfully adopt an anti-gov attitude to be objective, mind you!wootrofl:slap:

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Tibetans are our subject race of low-status underlings within the Chinese colonial regime.
On this issue, I can nerver ever support China being compared on a same par with the USA and Turkey in relation to what they do with ethnic relations. These countries are poles apart!

Meeting dalai lama in person or groups of tibetans in exile doesn't necessarily make you immune from bias or prejudice when speaking to Tibet-related issues, yet the reverse is more true of me.
BTW, I see nothing wrong with the majority of Chinese folks in agreement with the official Chinese position. You don't HAVE to willfully adopt an anti-gov attitude to be objective, mind you!wootrofl:slap:

Fixed it for ya! :)

[Grantman]

Communist China has always argued, and probably believed, it's the victim and not an aggressor. The Sino-Indian War is perfect example of Chinese expansionism while ridiculously arguing that it wasn’t. Sure the peasants believed their communist government but no one else was fooled. Tibet is basically the same mentality.

[Shuimo]

Fixed it for ya! :)

Pls stop such cooking up tricks!:bash:

[Shuimo]

Communist China has always argued, and probably believed, it's the victim and not an aggressor. The Sino-Indian War is perfect example of Chinese expansionism while ridiculously arguing that it wasn’t. Sure the peasants believed their communist government but no one else was fooled. Tibet is basically the same mentality.

you calling China communist shows what a lack of your knowledge of China.
I bet whether there is any communist at all on this earth?

[Grantman]

you calling China communist shows what a lack of your knowledge of China.
I bet whether there is any communist at all on this earth?

They've shed a lot of their communist ideas but it sure isn't a democracy. I'm guessing you don't have a clue about the Sino-Indian War?

[Ordie]

Most importantly, the Chinese people themselves have guts and gall to face up to any forces of evil.

You mean against the Qing court that sold China.


Such character is the essence of Chinese culture, which keeps the nation dynamic and resilient all the time!

Nope, the resiliecy lies within the Chinese extended family no matter the conditions, situation and location.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Pls stop such cooking up tricks!:bash:


I'm not Tibetan you can't tell me what to do matey!

Ha ha:)

[LineDoggie]

you calling China communist shows what a lack of your knowledge of China.
Simple question, Yes or No


If You Shumo decides to run for Elective Office in the Peoples Republic of China what is your Party Affiliation?

Communist, correct?



I bet whether there is any communist at all on this earth?

Democratic Peoples Republic of China
Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
Republic of Cuba
Laos Peoples Democratic Republic
Socialist Republic of Vietnam

All Single Political Party Communist states

[AZZenny]

Meeting dalai lama in person or groups of tibetans in exile doesn't necessarily make you immune from bias or prejudice when speaking to Tibet-related issues, yet the reverse is more true of me.

I'm sure that means something, but it's not worth trying to translate.

It doesn't make me immune from bias, of course. It does give me a direct interaction with the key target of the current belligerent Chinese froth that I am quite certain you don't have. That's called first-hand information. I think it's often a better basis for an individual opinion than swallowing government koolaid.

[Shuimo]

Simple question, Yes or No


If You Shumo decides to run for Elective Office in the Peoples Republic of China what is your Party Affiliation?

Communist, correct?




Democratic Peoples Republic of China
Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
Republic of Cuba
Laos Peoples Democratic Republic
Socialist Republic of Vietnam

All Single Political Party Communist states
At that, all I can say is this:
Communist is a MISNOMER for countries like China! I mean it !rofl:fork:

[Shuimo]

I'm sure that means something, but it's not worth trying to translate.

It doesn't make me immune from bias, of course. It does give me a direct interaction with the key target of the current belligerent Chinese froth that I am quite certain you don't have. That's called first-hand information. I think it's often a better basis for an individual opinion than swallowing government koolaid.
Dalai lama is such a filthy and horrible liar on key Tibet things, I'd choose not to meet him!

Dalai lama is increasingly showing a sign of has-been.

Being far away from Chinese Tibet so long discredits him as a reliable source of information!woot

[Ordie]

They've shed a lot of their communist ideas but it sure isn't a democracy.

Too bad.

"Democracy is the road to socialism."
-Karl Marx

[Shuimo]

Too bad.

"Democracy is the road to socialism."
-Karl Marx

Kind remnder: Democracy has to be substantiated by concrete forms.rofl:backhand:

[Ordie]

Dalai lama is such a filthy and horrible liar on key Tibet things, I'd choose not to meet him!

Dalai lama is increasingly showing a sign of has-been.

Being far away from Chinese Tibet so long discredits him as a reliable source of information!woot

Why are you and the rest of China are so obsessed with the Dalai Lama.

The more you vilify him in the press, the more attention he and the situation in Tibet get in the global press.

Just ignore him, let him travel freely without much fanfare.

But you guys invest too much into "face" to the point of discrediting China.

Now every time a Chinese client state such as South Africa deny visa to the Dalai Lama, China is forced to be on the public relations defensive.

[Ordie]

Kind remnder: Democracy has to be substantiated by concrete forms.rofl:backhand:

There are no pre-conditions for democracy.
It starts with a simple vote of approval.

[LineDoggie]

At that, all I can say is this:
Communist is a MISNOMER for countries like China! I mean it !rofl:fork: In otherwords you wont answer, because we know what the truth is.

In the PRC ONLY Communists can run for Office, dont worry you'll still get that 3 yuan for the posting

[davey]

The Dalai Lama is romanticized in the West as a great spiritual leader and the symbol of Tibetan resistance. Didn't we have a semi-feudal system in Tibet with no democracy? Would we have had democracy in Tibet with the Dalai Lama there? And what about education, life expectancy etc?

Not that I necessarily think the majority of Tibetans want the Chinese there. But does the Dalai Lama really deserve such unconditional praise and support from Westerners, or is it just an anti-Chinese sentiment?

[Shuimo]

In otherwords you wont answer, because we know what the truth is.

In the PRC ONLY Communists can run for Office, dont worry you'll still get that 3 yuan for the posting
I will be too happy if I can get paid to psot on line!:-*$rofl
But i am not!

The truth is China is a charming mixture of thrice feudalist and socialist and capitalist country. This might be difficult for you outsiders to understand, but that is true.p-)

[Shuimo]

The Dalai Lama is romanticized in the West as a great spiritual leader and the symbol of Tibetan resistance. Didn't we have a semi-feudal system in Tibet with no democracy? Would we have had democracy in Tibet with the Dalai Lama there? And what about education, life expectancy etc?

Not that I necessarily think the majority of Tibetans want the Chinese there. But does the Dalai Lama really deserve such unconditional praise and support from Westerners, or is it just an anti-Chinese sentiment?

GOOD questioning!rofl

[Gleipnir]

At that, all I can say is this:
Communist is a MISNOMER for countries like China! I mean it !rofl:fork:
How does Red Capitalism strike your fancy? Nice emoticons, dude.

[Shuimo]

There are no pre-conditions for democracy.
It starts with a simple vote of approval.
I have to differ with you on that!
democracy involves abundant conditions like economy and education!rofl:fork:

[Ordie]

I have to differ with you on that!
democracy involves abundant conditions like economy and education!rofl:fork:

Cite your sources.

[Shuimo]

Why are you and the rest of China are so obsessed with the Dalai Lama.

The more you vilify him in the press, the more attention he and the situation in Tibet get in the global press.

Just ignore him, let him travel freely without much fanfare.

But you guys invest too much into "face" to the point of discrediting China.

Now every time a Chinese client state such as South Africa deny visa to the Dalai Lama, China is forced to be on the public relations defensive.

First of all, there is nothing wrong or harm in putting China on global headlines by media of the world, which I think is doing good to us Chinese and the CPC to learn the realities of the outside world and thereby learn better lessons.

Secondly, obssession is last word to describe Chinese attitudes towards Dalai Lama. As I've mentioned, a Dalai Lama without western backing up is literally no more than a monk-turned petty politician. It is the western fanfare that keeps us on alert, plus the enormous influence of Dalai Lama among our religious-mad Tibetan kinship.:backhand::roll:

I like to see China always in the spotlight of the world, given that the Olympics was gone!

[Shuimo]

Cite your sources.
It is my opinion and a firm one!roflrofl:bash:

[Gleipnir]

It is my opinion and a firm one!roflrofl:bash:
No offense, but that doesn't hold much sway. In encountering you elsewhere I note that you often strongly disagree but don't back up your statements other than with many smilies- please, go easy on the smilies and give some context and elaboration to your statements so that we can have a discussion.

[Shuimo]

No offense, but that doesn't hold much sway. In encountering you elsewhere I note that you often strongly disagree but don't back up your statements other than with many smilies- please, go easy on the smilies and give some context and elaboration to your statements so that we can have a discussion.

That is because:

I simply don't hold truth to being equal with long lengthy chunk of words!

truth loves brevity!wootrofl:bash:

[Ordie]

It is my opinion and a firm one!roflrofl:bash:

Your comment is a typical product of rote Chinese education and no critical thinking skills.

[Gleipnir]

Shuimo, seriously, enough with the smilies already- read forum rule 1:

1. Don't use excessive :bash: :fork: :backhand: in your posts.

It's getting old.

[Shuimo]

Your comment is a typical product of rote Chinese education and no critical thinking skills.
well truth is just truth, it doesn't know whether it is the product of Chinese education or American education!

You don't have to have a American education to monopolize truth, do you?:bash::fork:

[Shuimo]

Shuimo, seriously, enough with the smilies already- read forum rule 1:

1. Don't use excessive :bash: :fork: :backhand: in your posts.

It's getting old.

Thanks for the tip!
I really don't know that! That is a timely warning!

[seraosha]

There goes your chicom bonus for smilies.

[Ordie]

well truth is just truth, it doesn't know whether it is the product of Chinese education or American education!

You don't have to have a American education to monopolize truth, do you?:bash::fork:


"There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil"
-Alfred North Whitehead

[Shuimo]

"There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil"
-Alfred North Whitehead

Fair enough comment!

Half-truth is enough for any one I guess!:|

[Grantman]

Have to give the Chinese education system credit, the Chinese government can do no wrong and the dalai lama can do no right.

[Shuimo]

Have to give the Chinese education system credit, the Chinese government can do no wrong and the dalai lama can do no right.
we do commite blunders, such as cultural revolution

[Shuimo]

I should better put it this way:
Now the Chinese gov is pound right, penny wrong, whereas Dalailama is penny right, pound wrong!

[Grantman]

I should better put it this way:
Now the Chinese gov is pound right, penny wrong, whereas Dalailama is penny right, pound wrong!

well of course the dalai lama is wrong, he doesn't want China in his homeland. Everyone has to be wrong if they have that view.

The Chinese government have no choice but to show him in poor light to 'reveal' how wrong he is. No choice whatsoever.

[LineDoggie]

we do commite blunders, such as cultural revolution
That "blunder" :roll: cost 40 Million Chinese their lives, anywhere else on the planet that would be considered a Freakin Catastrophe......

[AZZenny]

The need the Chinese government seems to feel to attack and vilify the Dalai lama is absurd, and for their behavior in a person we'd say 'methinks he doth protest too much.' He's not an Arafat, he's not a Pol Pot, he's not Kim Il Jong, he's not an Osama, and he's not a Mao. He hasn't ordered the torture and slaughter of tens or hundreds of thousands of people for personal power or ideology or for money.

He also hasn't called for an independent Tibet in many years -- just asking for basic respect for the Tibetan culture and Tibetan people rather than their elimination. He has, meanwhile, been teaching a very complex Buddhist philosophy to people in the world who are interested in it, and trying to show how religion and science can coexist easily.

For you to describe him in terms best reserved for psychotic despots like Mao or Stalin only shows you are completely indoctrinated and incapable of critical thinking.

[ren0312]

The need the Chinese government seems to feel to attack and vilify the Dalai lama is absurd, and for their behavior in a person we'd say 'methinks he doth protest too much.' He's not an Arafat, he's not a Pol Pot, he's not Kim Il Jong, he's not an Osama, and he's not a Mao. He hasn't ordered the torture and slaughter of tens or hundreds of thousands of people for personal power or ideology or for money.

He also hasn't called for an independent Tibet in many years -- just asking for basic respect for the Tibetan culture and Tibetan people rather than their elimination. He has, meanwhile, been teaching a very complex Buddhist philosophy to people in the world who are interested in it, and trying to show how religion and science can coexist easily.

For you to describe him in terms best reserved for psychotic despots like Mao or Stalin only shows you are completely indoctrinated and incapable of critical thinking.

To be frank the way I see it the true issue is over political rights, not over culture, on paper, China actually grants more leeway to ethnic Tibetan culture, than what Turkey grants to its ethnic Kurdish population, of course what the Tibetans really want is independence. I think one of the key issues here is the disposition of Chinese forces in Tibet vis a vis India, if Tibet is granted more autonomy, how much authority will the Chinese government have over Chinese troops in Tibet, and furthermore will China be able to station troops in Tibet to guard against India, or will the Tibetan government not allow China to station as much troops in Tibet as China might like, thus in a way compromising China's national security.


Nehru responded bluntly: "The Government of India will continue the policy of the British period in considering Tibet outwardly a part of China but internally independent... ["Shakabpa wrote 'internally independent' but Nehru certainly said 'internally autonomous'," according to Goldstein in footnote 86, and the Tibetans' response following]." The Tibetans replied: "Because Tibet is independent please do not talk about 'internal autonomy' under China..." Nehru was a bit irritated by this and reply sharply to the Tibetans that it was not enough to speak about Tibet independence: such status had to be proved according to the law. [And Nehru rejected the Tibetan’s legal reasoning based on alleged "separate treaty" between Britain and Tibet in the Simla Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Convention) of 1914. Nehru then replied to the Tibetans]: "There is no separate treaty like this and China never accepted the Simla Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_Convention). The Chinese believe that Tibet is a part of China. Tibet thinks that because China didn’t accept Simla, it is independent but at that time Tibet did not make any clear decision. That was a mistake. And later when you had the time and the opportunity to do something [about "independence"] you did nothing and this was a mistake. During this period China has been very clever and have proclaimed widely in the internationally community that Tibet is part of China...[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate#cite_note-26)


Nehru advised the [Tibetan Yatung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatung) delegation who were about to negotiate with Beijing in April 1951] to admit that Tibet was a part of China, since it was seen as such in the eyes of the world. He also told them they would probably have to agree to Chinese control over Tibet's foreign relations...[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate#cite_note-27)

[ren0312]

Another thing I find confusing over the supposed right for self determination of minority groups, is what kind of minority groups are they talking about , does this minority group comprise only indegenous ethnic minority groups, under which falls the Kurds, the the Welsh, and the Kosovars, or does this also include immigrant diasporas, which are an ethnic minority in their host countries, such as Algerians in France, Chinese in Australia, or Mexicans in the US, etc.

[Ordie]

Another thing I find confusing over the supposed right for self determination of minority groups, is what kind of minority groups are they talking about , does this minority group comprise only indegenous ethnic minority groups, under which falls the Kurds, the the Welsh, and the Kosovars, or does this also include immigrant diasporas, which are an ethnic minority in their host countries, such as Algerians in France, Chinese in Australia, or Mexicans in the US, etc.

As a rule and norm, it is the role of government to protect the minority from the majority.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I will be too happy if I can get paid to psot on line!:-*$rofl
But i am not!


You need to get onto your trade union.

Oh no wait you can't!roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl

[ren0312]

What the Dalai Lama seems to be asking for is home rule, or a Tibetan version of the Anglo Irish treaty, and we all know what eventually happened to that.

[Ordie]

What the Dalai Lama seems to be asking for is home rule, or a Tibetan version of the Anglo Irish treaty, and we all know what eventually happened to that.

A good model.

[ren0312]

A good model.

As far as I know the Irish broke their part of the bargain at the first oppurtunity, so I guess that is a good model for you.

[futurepilot2004]

As far as I know the Irish broke their part of the bargain at the first oppurtunity, so I guess that is a good model for you.

Oh yeah? what part did the Irish break?

[ren0312]

Oh yeah? what part did the Irish break?

You can say that they had no intention to obey the sprit of the treaty in the first place, and signed it because it was not practical to declare independence outright.

[Shuimo]

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[Ordie]

As far as I know the Irish broke their part of the bargain at the first oppurtunity, so I guess that is a good model for you.

The sectarian violence within Northern Ireland was between the Irish themselves.

The majority of Irish regardless of backgrounds and history, support the "Good Friday" accords and adhere to the treaty.

[Havoc345]

The sectarian violence within Northern Ireland was between the Irish themselves.

The majority of Irish regardless of backgrounds and history, support the "Good Friday" accords and adhere to the treaty.

The sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland was between the native Irish Catholics and Ulster Scots Protestants with few exceptions.

[Alpheus]

This thread is dynamite.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

The sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland was between the native Irish Catholics and Ulster Scots Protestants with few exceptions.

These would be Scottish invaders who arrived in the 1920s would they?:roll:

I hope you realize that the Scots were in fact an Irish tribe with origins in Northern Ireland who invaded 'Caledonia' around the time of the fall of the Roman Empire and who caused it to be renamed as Scotland.

[Havoc345]

These would be Scottish invaders who arrived in the 1920s would they?:roll:

I hope you realize that the Scots were in fact an Irish tribe with origins in Northern Ireland who invaded 'Caledonia' around the time of the fall of the Roman Empire and who caused it to be renamed as Scotland.

Yes I know of Caledonia and the origins of the Scotti tribe.

[AZZenny]

So a physician friend supervises a couple of young foreign medical research Fellows for 2 years at a time, and regales us with tales of their adjustment to the US. Her newest medical Fellow is from China, and she recently found out the young doc is a Buddhist. Once settled in, the Fellow joined a local Buddhist Sangha (congregation) and a few weeks ago reported with real surprise that the Dalai Lama was seen very differently by her fellow Chinese-American Buddhists here -- they respect him, even though he's from a different branch of Buddhism, as a peaceful, gentle teacher. Initially she was skeptical of their naivete in swallowing such propaganda -- after all, she knew he kept slaves, blah blah (insert preferred blood libel here).

So she read a couple of his books. And a book or two about him. And she went online (uncensored, I might add) and saw what other people and nations said.

And announced with wide eyes and much chagrin that he was very, very different than she'd been taught, and NONE of the good things about him are known in China -- they are literally taught that he is an evil and brutal despot, and have no way to know differently. She will no doubt be re-examining a lot of other things, but at least she knows who's the brainwashee now.

[Grantman]

AZZeny good post, you sure said a mouthful. The Chinese government is very adept at moulding its people into passionately patriotic citizens on information we'd pull to pieces. Truth mixed with a good bit of manipulation combined with censorship goes a long way in directing the attitude of a population.

Btw, I don’t think she would like being called a “Fellow”, heh!